Taryl is not wrong here. We just looked up a replacement engine for this Intellipower Chinese motor. Part number 952Z4X90HUA for a complete engine. This is on a 2019 Cub Cadet XT-2, I called Cub because I could not believe it was not available. From Cub Cadet Directly, they do not have replacement engines for these tractors, they cannot purchase them and have no idea where to send people to get them. So be aware of this junk!

@jimcourtney4306

4 ай бұрын

yep sounds like junk look for a different engine

@user-mf1vj4bb3z

4 ай бұрын

Put a different type on there built same shape as briggs and them harbor fright ones

@philliphall5198

3 ай бұрын

👍

@rickc303

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-mf1vj4bb3zthose* not them

@dabneyoffermein595

3 ай бұрын

@@Aaron-dp5kb you mean homeless-depot, yea, steer clear.

As an auto mechanic, we're used to seeing drive by wire throttle systems. Never imagined they'd waste money putting them onto small engines. The Mechanical governors are plenty adequate and a lot cheaper. Don't know what Scrub Cadet was thinking of.

@jeffclark2725

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, they took the throttle by wore,off the car, but still have the carb,wait till the battery goes dead ,and a couple jump starts kills that module

@Discretesignals

7 ай бұрын

Scrub isn't the only ones doing it. I believe the reason for it is that it can adjust the engine speed by itself even going through thicker or higher grass. The governor just limits engine speed, but can't ramp up the throttle when there is more load on the engine. Another feature is you don't have to run the engine full throttle all the time.

@jeffclark2725

7 ай бұрын

@@Discretesignals agreed,as a Briggs guy,they have fuel injection, and all electronics also, been working on for years to perfect it

@markkinney5030

7 ай бұрын

They wasn't thinking about that set up! mechanical governors works very well.

@closertothetruth9209

7 ай бұрын

bean counters maybe

This is why keeping old stuff working is so important. My Briggs & Stratton flathead push mower is going to last three forevers because I'm going to make it.

@WJCTechyman

7 ай бұрын

I have Honda flathead and overhead valve engines that are at least 40 years old and still run like a top, well balanced, quiet and don't stink. I can't say the same about many Briggs flatheads where the oil tends to disappear without some good reason, faulty magneto ignition systems that cause the engine to misfire and incredibly stiff and brittle diaphragms that are a pain in the butt to replace. Of all of the engines I have had over the years, Kohler, Kawasaki, Honda, Tecumseh, clones and Briggs, Briggs engines gave me more grief and the age range of said engines was from the late 1960s to today.

@sbultitude-paull303

7 ай бұрын

7 3:29 ec ve N2

@Rebel9668

5 ай бұрын

@@WJCTechyman The Tecumseh engine on my 58 year old Ariens sno-thro still fires up just fine. The 3.5hp Briggs on my 25 year old Murray push mower still starts just fine too and the diaphragm has only needed changing twice in all that time and it's less than a 30 minute job, literally a handful of screws and a couple of springs to get to it.

@thekingsilverado3266

4 ай бұрын

@@Rebel9668 The old stuff is tops... I just revived a seized up SC8 YARDMAN brush grinder with the Tecumseh HM80 on it. The damn thing is like new yet. My theory is some how the spark plug was either left completely out of it or water leaked past it and that cracked the head when the water in the motor froze. Then it sat seized up until I bought it like 3-4 years ago. I could not find another engine that would fit with a 1" inch crank to repower the machine so I dug into the old engine and found out it was like new inside just rusted in place somewhat. So my neighbor put the powder keg under my butt by dragging over a really rusted old YARDMAN snow thrower. That had an electric starter I put on the brush grinder motor and the head did the trick. A carb a new gas cap new air cleaner assembly head gasket and I am now putting it all back together rust coating parts too. The machine is in fabulous shape for its age so its gonna stay that way as long as I am alive. As far as I am concerned that old stuff is solid gold to me. When people drop stuff off here telling me what junk it is and they really don't want nothing for it that I can just have it. That puts a big ole smile on my face. It don't stay junk for long most of it either helps revive another machine or it gets put back together even better than the factory made it.

@dabneyoffermein595

3 ай бұрын

unless you have a compression release mechanism on the cam, in which case it will wear out and break and throw itself into the aluminum crankcase cover and crack it, thus leaking oil onto the lower shaft pulley and all over the belt and inside of the mower, where you will have to spend all day cleaning it and then have someone weld the crankcase crack, buy a new cam, and spend another day putting it all back together.

I've had three of these come through and they've all had the same problem... A massive hole on the block right out of warranty. The intellipower governor fails and they overrev until the connecting rod plays peekaboo. Replaced them with a Briggs vtwin and had happy customers. (FYI: an aftermarket John Deere throttle cable fits into the column hole of the mower with very little modification after you remove the trash electronic throttle.)

@steveb3885

7 ай бұрын

This is the perfect solution to this overpriced, worthless crap

@grominwithrob1339

5 ай бұрын

Seems this isn't the first engine Scrub Cadet used that liked to self install inspection ports in the engine block.

@thekingsilverado3266

4 ай бұрын

@@grominwithrob1339 I had one here last summer in August the thing blew up so violent part of the bottom of the hood was missing. The center of the rod cap came off the bolts and the rest of the rod cap was there on the bolts. It appears it ricocheted off the bottom of the deck pulley or belt and was spit back up at high velocity. That was the owners idea he had a guy where he worked at that had an old Scrub mower with a big Briggs V Twin which dropped right in and that was what I had on hand was a like new used throttle cable here. Which I still have no idea even now what it was even off of but I made an aluminum metal mount for the cable over that hole epoxy and rivets and I was done. Took me most of the afternoon routing the fuel hose getting the Briggs motor running again. That motor took a new carb and fuel pump. The other part was the belts fitting them to the PTO drive pulley was a diff size as was the OEM motors crank I think was 7/8th but all I remember was using the Briggs PTO and running 4 trips till I got the right belts. I know I used the Briggs PTO and drive pulley and the stuff was diff size than the Scrubby stuff. But the conversion worked and as a favor to the owner I put a piece of decent tape under the hood with the new belt sizes on the piece of tape. He handed me the $550 with a $50 tip. He said he was not about to whip out the credit card with Joe Bite Me in office and buy the same junk over again. He said my price was deal compared to even considering making the same mistake over again.

@robertfrapples2472

25 күн бұрын

Good info!

Now I am glad that I keep my older lawn equipment in working order because I NEVER want to have to buy the new crap that these companies are coming out with. They don’t work well and you can’t work on them yourself anymore.😞

@JAF-pd9mw

7 ай бұрын

No doubt. My trim mower and rider are mid-70's vintage. Take care of them, do your maintenance, keep them clean and out of the weather when not in use and they'll outlast us.

@michaelbenoit248

7 ай бұрын

This is why when I see 60s-90s garden tractors with a manual transmission on Facebook I grab them for parts to keep my old ones going. I have 4 vintage tractors that are all metal, cast iron transmissions, & some of them are 40-50+ yrs old, & still driving. Maybe not the same engine, but driving excluding that.

@andrea4809

7 ай бұрын

It is just these lower end models.

@WJCTechyman

7 ай бұрын

@@andrea4809 I don't know why people tend to talk about the "good ol' days" when you look at newer equipment and even cars, they last much longer with much higher reliability than cars from back in the 1970s, especially when the Japanese entered these areas and blew away the likes of GM, Chrysler and Ford and continue to do so, I don't need to worry about my newer OHV engines braking down and trying to chase parts like I would have with Briggs or other North American made flatheads, Honda is the prevalent name in my shed and also some Honda clones as well as Echo. Taryl has a serious negative bias of anything MTD and I have found PowerMore engines relatively easy to work on and reliable as my Cub snow blower has a 420cc beast that starts the first time every time and has enough power to make snow work relatively painless. Now, when it comes to power equipment, there are various grades and even back in those "good ol' days" there was crap and there was good, well made stuff. Like back then, you just have to know where to look. I know Taryl actually uses products from the parent company of MTD as I see DeWalt and other similar tools. He even uses Milwaukee, a brand that is owned by the Chinese conglomerate that owns Hoover and Dirt Devil, among other brands, Techtronic Industries. He even gave a positive review on a Toro snowblower with a recall notice while I have yet to see that with my Cub snow blower.

@matthewowens455

7 ай бұрын

That goes the same for cars and trucks nowadays I have a 1994 sivarado

Thanks Taryl, you just made my day. My ex-wife needs a new mower to mow her weeds, this crappy scrub cadet looks like the perfect Santa surprise for her at Christmas. I hope it will tow her, she's 450 pounds of pure love.

@matthewtaylor2185

7 ай бұрын

Don't you think she would look better on a super 7?

@williamcarl4200

7 ай бұрын

What was it Bill Murray said again??? "...I gotta party with this guy..."?

@santaclause2875

7 ай бұрын

Hilarious!!!!!

@jadesluv

7 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t you think she will be having you over to fix her Scrub Cadet every other week?

@ProctorsGamble

7 ай бұрын

Nice compliment to an ex 😝

I owned a 1994 Cub Cadet 1863 (Kohler engine) with a 48" mower deck and it was bullet proof. Had it over 20 years and finally got around and bought a new 2015 XT1-LT50 Cub Cadet (Kohler engine) and the 50" deck was a bit too much for my needs and a real pain in the *ss to remove and clean. The tractor runs like a charm with no issues. I just hate the mower deck. It's still like new (I do take care of my machines). I'll wait until Cub Cadet offers one with ABS, Forward Collision Warning, Automatic Emergency Braking, Automatic High Beams, Lane-change assist, Blind-spot monitoring, Lane-departure warning, Parking assist, Rear-cross-traffic monitoring, Surround-view camera and Trailer backup assist. Then we will have something. Great viewing as always. Enjoy the videos.

Hi Taryl!! I purchased one of those Scrub Cadets in April of 2020. I did do extensive You Tube research before I bought it and as of this current date haven't had too many problems. But here is my take on this model. Haven't had an issue with how it's running as long as you keep a nice clean air filter in place (you are definitely right on that) I keep 6 in stock and rotate them. Do oil changes every 10 hours, Did an upgrade on the fuel filter (larger one). Non-Ethanol fuel, No spindle problems.......yet, Keep blades sharp, and most of all keep it clean and out of the weather. True, it's not the best quality and it takes constant maintenance, but so far it's been a good experience. Love your channel, been a follower for a long time and a member of Grass Rat Nation!!!

There is no reason to not use the cable system. Cheap and reliable

@cujoedaman

7 ай бұрын

You would think that with the way things are these days that any company would want to do things as cheap as possible, this thing makes no sense at all.

@sundogaudio851

7 ай бұрын

switching things to electric leads to it being remote controllable... @@cujoedaman

@scottp2462

7 ай бұрын

The electronic module eliminates the internal governor. Do you think it’s cheaper to repair an internal governor or that electronic module? That module is $66, how much do you think an internal governor repair is on a plastic gear Kohler single or a plastic Kawasaki twin governor?

@mrutherford8590

7 ай бұрын

@@scottp2462 I never saw a governor break. But I bet the electric stuff will be hard to find in the future.

@scottp2462

7 ай бұрын

@@mrutherford8590 I agree the electronics may be harder to find. It’s price is reasonable as of this video. I’ve had to replace a governor on a Command CV15 single and a Kawasaki FR twin. Replacing internal components is time consuming for a DIYer and expensive to have replaced at a shop. The Kohler governor was $40 and hours of work. The Kawasaki governor was over $100 and hundreds more for a shop to do the repair as it’s above my skill set. I elected to replace the motor. I’d gladly pay $66 for an electronic module.

As soon as i saw the side of the hood and fuel tank i figured the air filter would be plugged. The clean pre filter and lack of loose debris tells me they have blown it out and cleaned the pre filter, but that doesn't stop it from being plugged. I'm amazed how dirty that filter is for how new that mower is

@santaclause2875

7 ай бұрын

True. And most guys don't understand it's the incredibly FINE PARTICLES, the microscopic particles that plug a filter, and that crap CAN NOT BE BLOWN OUT !!!!!! That's why they're called 'disposable' filters. Throw the damn thing out and put on a new one !!!!!

@dennisfoltz7880

7 ай бұрын

Most of my equipment I'll buy 4 air filters at a time. Usually you will find them selling cheaper the more you buy. I have a cub cadet self propelled mower ,and for some reason the mice will chew up the precleaner and air filter and use it to make a nest some place else .this year I'm going to try some window screen . If that doesn't work over the winter ,I'll remove the filter next year.

@kevwills858

6 ай бұрын

@@santaclause2875 When you've blown out like a hundred or so, you can tell if the old paper is letting enough air through or if its blocked/blocking on all vehicles.

@scottw.7441

2 ай бұрын

Ya think they mow Dirt? 😂😂

Customer: "So the throttle dial thing and the carbatrator are connected electrically?" Salesperson: "Yes Sir, we call it Intellipower!" Customer: "mmm, I don't know, sounds fragile to me." Salesperson: "Indeed it is Sir."

After watching your videos for a long time now, I noticed one of the best piece of equipment that your shop had in a long time! That is the 318 John Deere rider in the background. Especially with the Onan engine.

@bjre.wa.8681

7 ай бұрын

Didn't you see a couple videos ago Taryl HAD a 318 W/onan he sad it was huge money pit. I'll never let anything Green on my property again. Huge Money Pit!!

@m.g.540

6 ай бұрын

My 318 was destined for a dumpster because the inept owner did not do regular maintenance, the repairs it needed got done, nothing that a reasonably intelligent yahoo could accomplish, the Onan engine is a stupid easy and cheap engine to work on and get running correctly, now the 318 is a rock solid reliable machine.

Red, Green, Yellow they're all the same. But, the Scrub Cadet is made in the USA. Not all of it. Most of it. The Kawasaki twin is reliable. I have a LT 2 46". My daughter has a LT 2 42". Mine the Kawasaki hers has the Kohler. Both are dependable and work great. The one thing I noticed, keeping it clean it will have less problems. Belts, bearings and filters last longer. That one looks like it hasn't been cleaned except when it rains. Great episode! I do minor repairs for people in my neighborhood and you have helped me diagnose a few problems. I always enjoy your videos.

@johnw4590

2 ай бұрын

Had a ltx1050kw. The transaxle failed. No parts avaliable. Transaxle obsolete with no way to repair the tractor. Total waste of money.

Hope all the grass rats had a great Thanksgiving!

@TheJuan72

7 ай бұрын

thank you, likewise.

@terryedge3423

7 ай бұрын

You as well !

Glad you teach us about what's good and not good in small engine products, me I have a John Deere X370 and I love it so far. Thanks for keeping us informed.

I have this mower except it's an LT46 with the 22HP Kohler twin, which has the cable operated throttle. Glad I spent the extra couple hundred to get that over the one that has the engine in the video!

Nice touch having Elkskins do his "fire it up!"!

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@JakesDailyVideos

7 ай бұрын

Looks like there wasn't no gas in the tank

@reddirtadventures5785

7 ай бұрын

See you have a few good looking deeres in there

@ristomattikolsi5711

7 ай бұрын

Melt the whole machine and build the decent one of that material.

@bobbygetsbanned6049

7 ай бұрын

What do you think about the Kohler courage engines? I heard they are shit.

@ristomattikolsi5711

7 ай бұрын

Briggs & Honda when ever possible 👍@@bobbygetsbanned6049

I think you are spot on with your assessment of that mower. It is sad because Cub Cadet USED to be a good reliable mower back in the day.

@94mustangkid33

7 ай бұрын

So did chevy and gm cars and trucks now look at them

@dennisfoltz7880

7 ай бұрын

So don't the ford lineup of vehicles

@jonathonrossebo1783

4 ай бұрын

Yes. Back when International Harvester owned the brand.

@RMParavee

Ай бұрын

Poor scrub cadet hasn't been any good since More Trash Daily got them.

I've got the same Scrub with a 19 Khroler and it's good for what it is. Especially after this, I would steer clear of the intellipower, it's fecal matter mascarading as a great feature.

Back in my day we didnt have fancy computer chips on our mowers and that's the way it was AND WE LIKED IT!! (Read using Dana Carvey's Grumpy old man voice)

A conspiracy theorist would say manufacturers are “modernizing” ICE to the point where repair is merely a cost prohibitive part replacement with the hope that it will make electric powered equipment look more appealing.

@WJCTechyman

7 ай бұрын

Have you ever seen Honda's inverter generators? The same technology is used on some of them that is used on this engine. Heck, its top of the line EU7000is uses fuel injection. Parts for them are quite a bit more expensive. He also fails to note that the engine is made by the same company that makes Champion's engines, a company he has relatively high praise for even though it still doesn't quite measure up to Honda standards. That said, I do like Champion generators as they are fairly quiet and reliable.

@johnsmith7676

7 ай бұрын

"Conspiracy theorist"? You mean anyone with their eyes open?

@I_Dont_Answer_Questions

21 күн бұрын

@@johnsmith7676 No he means the entitled ignorance of the uneducated ameritard...

Manufacturers are selling a throw away mower, with parts that aren’t available like you stated. It also adds more electronics and confusion and requires the average guy to have to take it to a shop, like older automobiles that were relatively easy to work on. Most engines in today’s cars have to be practically disassembled to install an alternator or water pump which again the average guy has to take it to a shop. The problem with removing parts to fix the issue is they can can break, crack, causing more problems and costing more money.

I think Im very grateful for my 23 year old MTD Yard Machine and the fact I can still find parts for the original Walbro carbatrator

Another great video. Yes typical modern Scrub Cadet, over complicated junk! You can’t beat a cable and mechanical governor. Keep them coming 🔧🔧🔧🔧

@andrewdonohue1853

7 ай бұрын

i had a couple of cub cadets...... IH built, actual international harvester cub cadet...... bulletproof, but ancient.

That looks like one giant migraine, I don’t think I’d even work on one with parts being that expensive. My customers would have a cow

@philliphall5198

7 ай бұрын

Yes

I’ve had a XT1 cub cadet for 6 years and I love it!

Thank you for your precious advice, very good warning for candles and filters, bad innovation.

That's why I hang on to my 80's power equipment. I baby them and they haven't let me down.

Something tells me it's one of those EPA related issues where the engine is tuned on a knife's edge and the slightest restriction in the air filter is gonna throw it out of whack,,, so basically what would have been considered a "clean" air filter in the past has got to be replaced... It would be interesting to know exactly how that module senses the RPM and governs the engine..

@pgmurray76

7 ай бұрын

Same. It is definitely sampling and saving the engine rpm based off of spark and throttle plate position and sees the reduction from a load the plate still in the same position, but is there also a tiny MAF?!

@2packs4sure

7 ай бұрын

Whatever it is we should be thankful that they eliminated that pesky unreliable throttle cable... :) @@pgmurray76

@moonwalker8172

7 ай бұрын

Sold a riding mower to a neighbor. I heard him start it up and heard it spuddering. He left the choke on for a very long time. He later told me it filled his shop with smoke before he figured it out. I don’t like anything more complicated than it needs to be, but I have seen several people leave on the choke mowing the yard.

@user-zo1zj1tz2n

7 ай бұрын

Suprised any company is investing in gas technologies. Who cares what the gas engine companies do anyway? The government is going to bury these gas engines with electric battery equipment. I am not happy to see forced electric take overs myself. Prefer freedom of choice.

@xxcrazy_critr6661

2 ай бұрын

Actually most of these China engines run FAT, very dirty, not a Honda, it's a Clone. The Electronic Governor (this throttle control) monitors engine speed and gives more throttle position to Stepper Motor to increase or reduce, as engine speeds up or slows down to maintain the RPM. That's it, Real Simple. Works great till it gets gummed up and dirty, then needs cleaning. Eventually the Stepper Motors will fail. This is the same/similar setup to all Inverter Generators with an "Eco" throttle mode where they idle down under light loads and speed up under heavy loads. Turning off Eco Throttle does not put the engine at max throttle, it puts it at max RPM, and the Electronic Governor "gives it more gas/throttle position" as load increases to maintain Max RPM. This stuff is all really simple, and has it's uses, but does it belong on "just some dude's" lawnmower that has no idea what a stepper motor is? Probably not.

I've been doing my research on this very mower, here in Australia. The XT1 comes with a Kohler 700 series 20HP engine so I'm happy with that. As for the issue with the mower here, it's nothing you won't see on other mowers. Clogged air filter, runs rich, fouls plug. Easy fix. As far as the intellipower fly by wire system, it's good if you have a good yard. Easier on the module and carb. If the intellipower system all goes south, it would be just as easy to fit a manual carb, choke and throttle cable. Reviews in OZ have been good on this mower.

If I was that customer. I would brobably get rid if it. Thank you Taryl for this video 👍

Great tip about the airfilter. Thanks

@TheJuan72

7 ай бұрын

I wonder and air filter plus a sleeve on top of it, isnt a bit too much.

If it's not broke don't fix it. Why do big companies always do this to themselves ? Thanks for sharing brother 🙏

@susanthowe6112

7 ай бұрын

They think they can save $1.98 on each unit sold.

It’s just amazing how cheap things are being made anymore, I’ve been working on small engines for 40 years and I’ve found out that you can’t buy the small parts like you once could for carburetors especially the two cycle weed trimmers they want too sell a new carburetor for it when it’s usually the diaphragm that goes bad on those, I like the old style machines myself, I’ll keep them running thanks Darryl for all the great videos I like watching and learned a couple of tricks that help out 👍

Great video Tayrl! Haven't had one of these pass through here yet.

Friends of mine have one and it had the same symptoms. I did full service: oil change, both filters, and spark plug. Still ran kinda rough. Found out there was water in the fuel. They have been using ethanol blended gas. I replaced it with the ethanol free fuel I use in my lawn equipment and it cranked right up no issues. Bottom line, I think the electronic system is a little risky to use on such a basic piece of equipment.

@TheBandit7613

6 ай бұрын

I have a 115 gallon fuel tank in the back of my pickup. I get 93 octane ethanol free and it's a few cents more than reg unleaded. I use it in all my small engines and my vintage Mustang. It even smells better than ethanol tainted fuel.

I would also rather have a simple system where the owner operates the throttle and choke, controlling a simple carburetor. I don't have a large enough yard for a rider mower, but I see that MTD is also putting this IntelliPower on some Cub Cadet snow blowers. That means that you might not be able to clear snow and dig yourself out because an electronic module failed. If I was OK with this concept, and I'm not, then I might just go with an Ariens with EFI. This IntelliPower seems to be trying to imitate the benefits of an EFI system but still use a carburetor, with jets that can clog when a negligent owner just leaves it with fuel in the off-season.

@steveb3885

7 ай бұрын

The automatic choke was an EPA push because people would leave the choke on and pollute the air letting their lawnmower run rich for 30 minutes

@johnsmith7676

7 ай бұрын

@@steveb3885 Nonsense. That's just what they tell you. It's all just a means to an end.

@rl3898

7 ай бұрын

@@steveb3885 Thas's usually impossibe, the engine will choke out in seconds not minutes.

I have the same machine! Bought it brand new! Best lawn tractor I’ve personally owned! Hydrostatic transmission works great and it cuts great! From the looks of that machine it appears to be used and abused! If you treat your equipment well,the equipment will treat you well! If all it took was changing an air filter and plug then the customer did well and you did well! I would venture to say that the oil probably is the darkest shade of black! I love your channel! Always interesting,informative and fun to watch!

@ericpigg2689

2 ай бұрын

How many hours are on it?

@claudemansoniii6751

2 ай бұрын

I bought it new in 2020. I have approximately 98 hours on it now.

@tyler558806

2 ай бұрын

I hate to break it to you, but you got ripped off out of over $3,000 for a Chinese-made lawnmower with an American name. MTD cuts so many corners to reduce costs as they have no problem with the customer having to replace the product.

@claudemansoniii6751

24 күн бұрын

Sorry Tyler but I don’t know where you are coming up with $3000! I purchased mine brand new in 2020 from Home Depot ( last one on the shelf ) and for an additional $90 had it delivered crate and all to my residence. I paid around $1700 in total! I just looked at a brand new 2024 model yesterday at my local farm and fleet store and they had it tagged at $2200! For $3000 it should hopefully mow by itself! 😂

Nice work man. I wonder how many SE shops would just start replacing the cab and the electric module(s) right away. You gave it some thought and fixed it for a couple of bucks. A good lesson for us homeowners - use good oil, gas, and part. And change/wash/blow that air filter whenever it's dirty.

@josephbrabenderiii2049

2 ай бұрын

Rough to do without a governor assembly within the engine

😂 I have a Haskovana. I have buyers Remorse one thing after a nother going wrong with it. I will try to do. My research before I buy anything again. I can't believe it. My box store doesn't have parts for it anymore. It's only 3 years old. I can get a over price air filter and no name brand belt but thats about it. Thanks again for sharing this video with us.

Hello Tarryl: This is a good example of why the throw away gennerations are going to find life so expensive (Do not try to fix it Just Buy A New One). I will keep my 40 year old mower that srill mows the lawn working. Why is it still working ? Because you can still get parts and repair it. Great video keep them coming and the POF'S in the toilet.

@joemorgan5507

7 ай бұрын

Well I have my 35 yr old snapper and it still cuts and runs great I will not get rid of it, Never

Thanks for the heads up , I was going to buy one , but not now .

Thanks for the warning ! 😉

So it's Sunday morning in NJ as I'm watching this and not even 3 min into the vid Taryl has floored me with the line "Kindasuki." It's going to be a good day. Electronic throttle control might make sense in a fuel injected engine, but then again, why complicate something that doesn't need to be? Also, who's going to pay $$$ for the expensive black box when it breaks? And it will. Maybe CC thought they could make a bigger profit on parts than on the machine. Still waiting for the "Start/Stop" button like on my car, now there's a concept. Hey, how about this - a fuel/water separator for the crappy "almost gas" they sell? That actually might make the engines easier to start and last longer. Keep the vids coming and Cheers!

This makes me feel more confident in changing the air filter each year (whether it looks dirty or not).

I have a Troy Bilt Pony that is the same mower as the Scrub Cadet. It is just painted red instead of yellow/black. The Troy Bilt does not have the dreaded electronic throttle control, mine has the old manual controls and they work ok. The engine is the Powermore 547cc same as the Troy Bilt too. Powerful engine mows with no problem. Easy on gas too.

I just hope I can keep my Crapsman with the Breaks and Scrap'em 21 horse one lung going until I'm too old to care. Thanks for the informative and entertaining videos.

Love Elkskins new Beatles hair-do😂

Looks like they have a pretty good handle on selling parts. The computer control carb is so sensitive that a perfectly fine air filter slightly plugged throws off the pos computer and makes you buy a plug and air filter every 4 months plus shop rate

@mmarciniak

6 ай бұрын

I’d like to know how many homeowners can’t change their own air filters or spark plugs.

@catfishchucky3988

6 ай бұрын

@mmarciniak I'd say most well, most of the ones that actually mow their own yard. I live next door to 2

@mmarciniak

6 ай бұрын

@@catfishchucky3988 Not where I’m from. The community I live in, the homeowners and residents in general are quite handy with yard and farmstead equipment.

@xxcrazy_critr6661

2 ай бұрын

It's not an engine computer. It's simply an Electronic Governor control. The reason it has to have a good filter is because these China engines run FAT right out of the box, very rich, dirty. So any decrease in airflow is going to foul the sparkplug eventually, especially the Torch junk sparkplugs. WHY they run rich is more the question. Probably because to reduce the risk of it getting too lean and burning out prematurely, it's a better calculated risk to tune the carb jets from the factory to be a little on the rich side, since there are no O2 sensors, No MAP, no MAF, no computer to control the fuel, it's still a hole drilled in brass, carb jet on this engine, it just has an electronic module that controls the throttle (and choke! which could stick if dirty Taryl should have cleaned it!) on the carb via stepper motors. The module monitors the engine RPM, there are a couple different methods to monitor this, so not sure which one this uses, the module attempts to replace the need for a mechanical governor in the engine by simply controlling the throttle position to give more or less throttle position (via the stepper motors on top of carb) to maintain the "set" (by hand control on dash) throttle position\RPM. All Inverter Generators (at least those with an "eco" type throttle position) use these. Most likely ALL Inverter Generators (that everyone loves mind you) use this type (or very similar) Electronic Governor control system.

@xxcrazy_critr6661

2 ай бұрын

@@mmarciniak You'd be suprised lol

Mr. Taryl, you are the Uncle Floyd and Conan O'Brien of small engine and equipment diagnosis and repair! The skits and characters are always appreciated.

@daviddee6826

7 ай бұрын

Well said. :)

@dabneyoffermein595

3 ай бұрын

He has the Midas touch

Thanks for the Info. Good video

All it really needed was regular maintenance. A plug and a filter and it was running smooth. I'm sure the oil is black too!!

Either MTD bought the name of some formerly good names in outdoor power equipment or they have MTD make it for them now, or a combination of both. Names like Cub Cadet, Craftsman, Troy-Bilt, and others. The end result is the bean counters won the war and producing units at the lowest possible cost is the maxim. Quality is a thing of the past. Buyer be ware.

@Watchyn_Yarwood

7 ай бұрын

Cub Cadet is owned by MTD Products. In 1981, MTD acquired Cub Cadet from International Harvester

@Watchyn_Yarwood

7 ай бұрын

Further, MTD Products is an American manufacturer of outdoor power equipment for the mass market. Headquartered in Valley City, Ohio, the company began in 1932 and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Stanley Black & Decker. Prior to Stanley Black & Decker's acquisition in December 2021, MTD Products was a majority family-owned, private company. It originated as a tool and die maker (Modern Tool and Die Company). MTD's main competitors are Stihl, Ariens, Briggs & Stratton, John Deere and Husqvarna. Over the years, MTD acquired the Troy-Bilt, Bolens, Cub Cadet, Craftsman (owned by its minority partner), and Yard-Man brands and/or companies. MTD Craftsman mowers utilize the Sears "247" model prefix Source: Wikipedia

@watermanone7567

7 ай бұрын

They market this electronic crap for Millennials and yuppies that know nothing about lawn equipment. Sounds good to these over educated idiots so they go for it.

I've owned this same mower for over 4 years now, still runs great, cuts well. My complaints are the china tires that have no flex in the sidewall and will beat you to pieces, lowering air pressure is of no help. other thing is that dam key switch, if you have it set to cut in reverse the slightest bump will disengage it. as for maintenance I change the oil seasonally rather than hours indicated with synthetic oil and I use only non-ethanol gas. this trend of electronic controls is on everything, my old car has convex mirror inserts in the door mirrors, my newer car has motion sensors all the way around that feeds data to a computer that signals idiot lights to flash in the door mirrors (difficult to see in bright daylight), anyone care to make a guess of the cost of 2 little convex mirrors compared to a dozen motion sensors, a computer and flashing led's, which do you think will last the longest. same with fridges, old one had a dial to adjust the temp, new one has electronic temp sensors that constantly adjust the temp for optimum cooling/freezing , we are screwed. So Taryl my friend what is good solid mower engine to purchase in todays f-up world, the last push mower and pressure washer I bought had B&S engines and they were worse crap than chinese bat soup.

Yes I picked up a push mower Chinese motor Reset the overhead valves cleaned the carb started on the first pull again but not all people are that handy

I would still take that anyday over a all electric lawn tractor.

Nice show today as always. There is a "however" - You seem to hate the entire unit but as you aptly found out the only real problem was a VERY defective air filter. The main unit including the electronics worked well. I for one feel most comfortable with the simple old school mechanicals, but you use what you are given. My vote is that after you got it running I could live with it very well. I had a nice SP push mower that wouldn't start. I checked the normal things then when I saw it wasn't getting fuel i discovered that the built in screen in the tank had invisible micro clog.

I have one of the best tractors built in decades the first run of the tight turn craftsman i have a 2021 Craftsman T240..The newer version 2022 to present i was told have been downgraded in the transmission

I've never felt that cub cadet was ever that great to start with not to mention they are a pain in the ass to work on !

I've pulled a double digit number of "Champion" spark plugs that were broken, or just would NOT spark right out of the box. But I have YET to pull a bad NGK out of a new box

@ItsMrAssholeToYou

7 ай бұрын

It does seem like NGK is the gold standard.

@charliejones7574

7 ай бұрын

@@ItsMrAssholeToYou my Dodge, the Harley, and all of my mowers/generators/ tiller....all have them now

@rbarr775

7 ай бұрын

The only problem with NGK anymore is that they're desirable enough to drive a knock-off industry that makes a visually identical product. To avoid fake NGK's I have to be careful where I purchase them.

@charliejones7574

7 ай бұрын

@@rbarr775 always get them from my parts dealer

They now got EFI in residential mowers and snowblowers, what do you think about that? I think it's too much trouble for what it brings.

@johnsmith7676

7 ай бұрын

Charlie-Foxtrot... That's what I think about it.

@woodstover

7 ай бұрын

They're having to meet emission standards.

@Veikra

7 ай бұрын

@@woodstover Think the EPA should go and dig out some more gold mines.....

@Tom-7777

7 ай бұрын

I unrated the first fuel injected tractor in 1989 ! A JD285 w/ kawasaki v-twin, and it would crank but not start, I had to trouble shoot it with no books, killed half a day to find a ground wire pulled out of an eyelet.

@larryjohns8823

7 ай бұрын

Golf carts have EFI systems. The weak link is the high pressure fuel pump - they don't like gas additives and ethanol gas.

Hey good job doing a simple diagnostic and getting it running smooth. The engine seems fine, surely that electronic speed control is not on all models with that engine. Then again I can see where that turn knob might be easier to adjust engine speed for older people that worked in office environment all their career, and now want to cut their grass.

Thanks for educating us. U are appreciated

There is a lot to be said for keeping things simple particularly when something is prone to failure and the non availability of parts just compounds the problem. Manufacturers will chase the latest technology, modern cars are just the same.

Called "fly by wire" I love them. Because I will end up getting it for free on offer up or craigslist because it just quit. I will fix it and sell it for a fair profit. So go buy that POS and when it no longer runs go buy a new one and put it on offer up for free so I can come get it from you.

Well thank you on the tip about the spark plug cap now going to change mine over to that style. Keep up the cool vid's. Ps more thing can you make that run on a carb and dump that junk??

The air filter looks kinda yellow , that always indicates someone washed it with gasoline. I found one of square filters on a b&s that had been washed with fuel , you could have the engine running and put the filter on and it would kill the engine !!! It was yellow and smelled like fuel , and I've found the same with pre filters, only they will eventually desentigrate because they were washed in gas . 😊

best way to fix this, remove the 4 engine mount bolts, remove engine throw in metal scrap, install B&S or Kohler engine

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

A "Predator" from HF is an EXCELLENT (Honda clone) engine at extremely LOW price!

@josephbrabenderiii2049

2 ай бұрын

​@TheOzthewiz just checked HF and not seeing a bigger vertical shaft Predator.

Reminds me of the electronic carburetors in the 80s before fuel injection.

@TheJuan72

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, the old TBI I carburators.

@ItsMrAssholeToYou

7 ай бұрын

@@TheJuan72 Nope, they weren't TBI. They were traditional carbs, just with some electronics slapped on. TBI is a form of fuel injection. Throttle Body Injection.

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

Throttle Body Injection!

I've got this same basic mower only I got the EFI version. Actually it's been very good (with one exception). In Spring after it's been sitting all winter it will fire up and run with less than a second cranking.The one exception I had, with about 2 hours on the engine it blew up - totally destroyed, CC had to replace the entire engine. Just watching the one in this video not start makes me realize that the EFI is really a good thing. It never fails to start in less than a second and never stalls out. I'm sure the Chinese engine isn't like the Kohler in my vintage Wheel Horse though.

As someone who worked for MTD Products / Cub Cadet when this mower was introduced, the Intellipower engine was actually quite ingenious. Due to industry standards, the blade tip speed of a rotary mower is limited to 19,000 feet-per-minute. So with a mechanical governor / throttle, that was reached at no-load, wide open throttle. However, in heavy grass, the motor bogs down, blade tip speed slows and because it’s already at wide open throttle you can’t give it more “gas” to speed up the blades, so cut quality suffers. However, the Intellipower engine senses load, and in heavy cutting, where blade tip speed slows down, the system gives the engine more power (the Intelli type) to get the blade speed back up to the maximum-allowed 19,000 feet-per-minute and gives a better cut. When lighter mowing is sensed, the Intellipower system backs off on the power to limit blade tip speed to the maximum allowed level. That being said, this engine was only used in this model for the 2020 model year, and was discontinued. And if history repeats itself, parts will therefore become nonexistent by MTD in a few years time.

@brucebennett5759

7 ай бұрын

Thankyouvellymuch for the explaination of why they tried that system. My 2166 has an electronic ignition system that was discontinued after a very short/expensive lifespan ($200+). Mine hasn't failed yet but -when- the replacement parts might say Predator instead of Krohler.

@watermanone7567

7 ай бұрын

Nice info, to bad the engineers are getting cutting grass so complicated. Newer is not always better.

@nathanielpeace2343

7 ай бұрын

That’s the exact same thing a governor does. When the throttle control is set to full with no load, the throttle plate itself is not wide open. Then, as load increases, the governor moves the throttle plate open as the engine bogs down, eventually reaching wide open throttle if needed.

@FrdTrkMan3456

7 ай бұрын

Yes. Essentially Intellipower is marketing speak for an electronic governor. However, most mechanical governors are limited to ~3600 RPMs on riding mowers (unless tampered with). So with a traditional rider engine the engine will lose some power mowing heavy grass, unless you slow down. You won’t be able to push power up past the 3600 RPM, again, unless tampered with. Since most homeowners who buy these types of mowers generally want to mow as fast as possible, the Intellipower engine will allow the engine to run up to 20% past the 3600 RPM in heavy cutting, to allow the blade tip speed to get up to the limit of 19,000 Ft/min. So that means faster cutting in heavier grass. Not that it’s really recommended. Pushing these engines hard like that isn’t ideal, but most of these will be out of service in 5-7 years anyhow.

@claudemansoniii6751

24 күн бұрын

Funny but I just looked at a brand new 2024 model a few days ago! Yep it had the intella-power and the new tiny agm battery under the seat. But these comments/ thread is over 6 months old!

Judging by the condition of the mower with dirt all over it and even the tank is covered in it wouldn't surprise me the air filter is plugged! Wonder if they even change the oil? I never have my mowers dirty. They get blown off with leaf blower every time I use it and even wash and wax them and armor all them!

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

And, keeping them out of the weather does wonders to keep rust at a minimum!

I bet Clownifornia had something to do with that POF.

I agree with taryll. It's honestly not worth purchasing. If you can't find parts to make repairs, what's the point? From the perspective of someone who is mechanically inclined it's like throwing money away. From a consumer's perspective, that electronic throttle control is the selling point. The average consumer isn't concerned with it. They will simply find a shop that can make the repair and continue to run it. Your video title is on the money. I haven't figured out how to grow money on a tree yet. MTD is all about the money nevermind if it's good or not in this disposable day and age. Great video 👍

I got a 1986 John Deere 316. I will tell you one thing, in my opinion it’s the best garden tractor out there. I would like to see any new tractor last 38 years without breaking down

Compared to the $300+ I had to pay for a new "smart switch" to even start my GT52XLSi Husqvarna I could live with this dog.

@AgentWest

7 ай бұрын

For me that price would warrant a rewire with a regular key switch and couple of indicator lights. From looking at wiring diagram it looks like there is nothing "smart" past the switch, only sensors and solenoids, so it would run just the same. It's not like a modern car where a separate module has to 'approve' the key that's being used.

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

@@AgentWest I don't know about you, but I am waiting for the next "big thing" in small engine products..................transponder "key fob" and push button start, with 'E-brake" of course!! LOL

@AgentWest

3 ай бұрын

@@TheOzthewiz Shush! Don't give them ideas. lol On second thought, may be a handy thing for stationery work-site equipment. "Getting dark? Click on the key fob and lights come on from a nearby generator" -kind of thing. May be useful for those tiny camping generators as well.

Very sad. Cub Cadet used to be a quality product.

Thanks for the video Taryl.

Thanks!

Ain't got no gas in it!

It's a shame simplicity is discontinued, and now we are left with this crap

@connorsvintageelectronics909

7 ай бұрын

Just need to find an old mower for cheap,fix it up and keep it running until gas mowers become illegal

@georgehofgren6123

7 ай бұрын

I know they said that, but there's Inventory out there... If folks vist a Dealer and buy one, I wouldn't be surprised if they put them back into production. Briggs bows to the EPA, but demand trumps all ~

@rwtrwt-ju9fk

7 ай бұрын

The newer simplicity mowers are crap too.

@georgehofgren6123

7 ай бұрын

@@rwtrwt-ju9fk Doesn't matter, so long as they're less "crap" than everything else ~

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

I didn't realize that "Simplicity" mowers were discontinued!

Three years ago I bought a cub cadet xt2 with the fuel injected Chinese motor new, but it would not start. I got it at home depot for $790 tax and all. After about 3 months their warranty shop returned it to me after having to put a new gas tank with the high pressure fuel pump built in for fuel injection, under warranty After 14 months the hydro-static transmission stopped pulling no forward or reverse, so I pulled it apart and the springs on both internal motors of the transmission was all to pieces destroying the pistons in the process. I was able to find a used replacement for $50.00, so far it is doing OK at the moment. good job Taryl!

Good to know thanks Teryl for the video. Love em videos

I’m with you I think it’s a piece of crap. They just need to get rid of it. What a big piece of garbage who would ever think that scrub cadet would put some piece of garbage on their machine. Next thing you know, John Deere will put it on theirs.

@WJCTechyman

7 ай бұрын

John Deere already does that. Have you seen its agricultural equipment? It's panelled in plastic. It also locks you into its proprietary systems.

I'm so surprised it took this long to add ETC. Now eliminate the carb and add EFI. Why they are at it they should add SIR, front, rear, and deck object detection systems. Can't wait to see Taryl plugging a scan tool in to troubleshoot them.

@tudyk21

7 ай бұрын

Stihl makes an EFI chainsaw. The 500i

@M.TTT.

7 ай бұрын

overcomplicated junk

@WJCTechyman

7 ай бұрын

@@M.TTT. So, has your car ever had a serious breakdown like they did in the 50s, 60s or 70s? Do you have to rebuild carburetors on modern cars now? Do you have to rebuild the engine after a few thousand clicks? I haven't seen this on any modern car, so why it has taken so long to do this to power equipment seems like a lazy excuse.

@M.TTT.

7 ай бұрын

@@WJCTechymancar is designed and manufactured completely differently, not even remotely comparable.

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

Gas Direct Injection will increase efficiency and power output!

You have a very good information.

Very entertaining and useful señor Taryl , I have a CC zero turn, and so far, I have not had too many issues other than belt change and basic maintenance but it has a Kohler engine. If I had the money I would have spend a little more for a better model or product.

I'm sure Cub thinks it's a fantastic product that requires an equally fantastic price tag.

@urbanitesgarage3299

7 ай бұрын

I’ll never buy a Cub again no Chinese engines for me!

@scottp2462

7 ай бұрын

@@urbanitesgarage3299 Cub still sells consumer models with Kawasaki V-twins. Gotta buy them at a Cub dealer not the big box stores.

@bentullett6068

7 ай бұрын

​@urbanitesgarage3299 only the entry level ones have the Chinese engines. The larger machines do tend to have the Kawasaki engines fitted.

Looks like MTD hates there customers.

@MrTrailerman2

7 ай бұрын

Considering they manufacture the majority of consumer based lawn equipment, why should they care? This is what happens when a corporation has the monopoly and they have zero competition.

@susanthowe6112

26 күн бұрын

The feeling is mutual. There ought to be a law against them IMO.

I am a Cub Cadet dealer and I do agree. This fuel management system is crap. I'm sure you know who makes this machine and 90% of all the other Home Owner/Residential equipment - MTD. Just signs of the crap to come. ANYWAYS...... Have great day and thanks for all your videos. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!

Yeah my old scrubs with a knocklor finally died after 11 years. I broke down and bought a world lawn 0 turn crappysake. Had a couple years now. No issues yet but I do regular maint and start all of my equipment through the winter as well. Just ran across your vids a couple weeks.

If it works, it really isn’t a POF. The question is, how long will it work until all those extra moving(and unavailable) parts start to break down due to average grease and grime build up and really just normal use?

FINANCE: When your previously American "Manufacturing" Company is converted (for any reason) to management by a Finance or Legal oriented people, they your company is on the expedient path to ruination. As depicted by Taryl's assessment of the Chinese built engine, the assembly and its component parts represent difficulty if not impossibility to repair. This is what happens to companies like Harley Davidson, John Deere, General Motors, and so forth. With the elimination of America's steel industry, then now the automobile industry, America has been converted from a repair process to a replacement process. Just recognize that with a replacement process, Americans then become dependent of the supply-side vendor (country). The last three years of the joe lieden administration have shown us how devastating this is. It must be turned around.

Hey taryl and crew good day to you all a very good video today my friend as far as the mower goes I agree 💯 God Bless You And Your Crew

@TheOzthewiz

3 ай бұрын

So now we're going to have to "keep up" with the "Joneses" when it comes to mowers? What's next?

i have one of these mowers for 3 years and has served me well , i keep up on the maintenance regularly

I was looking for a new yard tractor in 2019, and some of those fancy dancy options like this did not impress me one bit. It took me a few weeks of looking around, but I found one. I don't like the idea of electronic throttle, just more stuff to go wrong electrically. I went for the Husqvarna YT46LS at the time, electric PTO for less mechanical moving parts on the deck (a lot of vibrations when deck running, wears out linkages over time; like the engagement arm), It has the Kohler 7000 series because Briggs & Stratton seemed lesser quality at the time with the Intek, bigger fuel tank vs the lawn tractor, 46" deck which is good middle ground from the 42", 48", and bigger 52" deck options. I also liked the hood had better percentage of metal to plastic ratio than other makes. So overall it seemed the Husqvarna had better build quality and better reliability vs the Cub Cadet, John Deere, and other makes for the price. In 2023, besides damaging a spindle on the deck, and doing basic routine maintenance, the Husqvarna hasn't seen a day in the shop. I repaired the oopsie to the deck on my own, and only put me out a couple hundred bucks, so not bad at all. I pressure wash the deck for winter storage, give it a good blowing off of everything, and drain the fuel out for winter.

Thank you sir for important information.

I restored a 1986 Suzuki lte 250 quad runner recently. It sat in a guys barn for 11yrs. Bought it for a few bucks. I rebuilt the engine and carb. Replaced everything on it. Front to back. Reused to stock airbox. Fired it up. Ran for short period. Died. Pulled brand new ngk. It's black and wet. Install another plug and removed airbox. Fire up. Runs great. Look inside air box the back fire screen riveted inside airbox looks clean. But alas, the majority of the screen around the outer edges has a sticky yellow scum. Screen restricting air flow. Installed a uni pod filter. Runs great ever since. I removed backfire screen in stock air box. Unsure if I'll put it back on. Maybe someday

I prefer a mechanical governor and cable control throttle and choke. They are simple they work they are cheap and they are available