Speaking as an attorney, I warned people many times to avoid consignments. But people who know more than me tell me I don't know what I'm talking about

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Accurate

@johnforeman634

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct, unfortunately so many people become hard up and figure they’ll roll the dice. Can you imagine handing over hundreds of thousands of dollars to a complete stranger and “hoping” they’ll give it back to you at some point in the future?

@estatesla

8 ай бұрын

Never consign anything

@supportdesk7703

8 ай бұрын

The FBI just busted this KZread watch dealer called TPG who self admittedly stole 5mio from his consignment customers..

@jimsteinway695

8 ай бұрын

With the internet and pictures there is ZERO reason to consign

Two red flags indicating trouble ahead: 1. A collector car is your “life savings”. 2. You are doing business with a person who keeps calling you “bro” but isn’t literally your brother.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

I hate when people I don't know call me bro.

@skittlesgarage

8 ай бұрын

Saying, BRO is a California thing.

@marcusa7886

8 ай бұрын

Figure of speech and irrelevant

@155stw

8 ай бұрын

@@skittlesgaragebruh

@youtubecarspottersguide1

8 ай бұрын

or boss ok chief @@normalguysupercar

I don't know how this guy stays this calm. I feel like I'd be on a hunting trip.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

No kidding

@derrickforeal

7 ай бұрын

Load em up, would you like your games heads mounted on a board or full body taxidermy.😅😅

@1982MCI

7 ай бұрын

@@derrickforealwould definitely be a full body mount if I got ahold of him but my buddy does absolutely beautiful taxidermy work!! I’m gonna get my money’s worth one way or another!!

@SuperBoss351

7 ай бұрын

You and me both.. wtf

I cannot stand when someone calls me bro in a business setting, even if it's just collectibles like sports cards. Immediately sets off scammer vibes.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Lol true.

I am sorry to throw shade on Marcus's story, but it appears to be a misrepresentation to describe his Mustang as a '67 Shelby GT500. No one would put that "Eleanor" hood, a painted bumper, painted trim (like the taillight surrounds), or the fake Halibrand rims, on a genuine '67 GT500. The gas filler cap on the sail panel indicates major modifications to the original setup, with a filler cap between the taillights. The flush-fitting quarter panel and sail panel scoops are all wrong as well. What this is, is a garden variety '67 that's been heavily restomodded. Also, there's no such thing as a "65 1/2" Mustang anything, and no '65 Shelby GT350 came in red.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Ok. That doesn't really change the fact the car is gone and he didn't get paid

@johnbell1859

7 ай бұрын

Maybe the guy got screwed twice, it’s really tough on him. And theft is theft no matter how hard you look at it. 🇬🇧

Dan, I give Normal Guy major props for putting this out there. I know it sucks, but it really does shine a light on the integrity that NG Supercars has, and why novice/new owners of exotics or collectible cars need to do their research. Unbelievable really, wow.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Thanks and yes, I really do NOT like making these videos. I really didn't want to do this video but Matt convinced me to hear Marcus out.

@JohnnyDanger36963

7 ай бұрын

​@@normalguysupercarYou are helping the used supercar market. It would be wrong to NOT air this.

@1982MCI

7 ай бұрын

@@JohnnyDanger36963absolutely correct!!!

This brought me Matt Salvo memories. This shady dealer is really the one committing “Nefarious Activities”.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes

I don’t wanna judge Mark but there were lots of red flags. Why did he not track his car periodically? He would’ve seen the joyriding of his car earlier. He could have taken possession of his car before it left the state. When they said the dealership was under construction and he felt weird, he should’ve gone and put eyes on his car. If my car was in Texas and I had not received money I would’ve flown to Texas and taken my car back. Especially since his life savings is in that one asset. Man, I feel for him. 😢

@cyberguypr

8 ай бұрын

Right. I would've been tracking that thing like a hawk. I don't trust anyone.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

People get busy

@johngatsby1473

8 ай бұрын

Could've hired me....I would've gotten it back for a fee.

@tjmoneybags

7 ай бұрын

and when you got to texas youd have met up with a guy with a gun saying he paid for it...with receipts. its just not that simple.

@brettsadzewicz1760

7 ай бұрын

It kinda is. At that point you have the title still and everything - just report it stolen and have the police recover the vehicle@@tjmoneybags

He should've filed a stolen vehicle report immediately and send the police to the address. Have the car impounded, and then take it home.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Did you hear the part where he tried to do that?

@cashway0420

8 ай бұрын

He said he filed an "incident report" not an actual stolen car report. That's legally still his car since he's still the one registered to it and if he can't get a hold of his car and hasn't been paid then it's stolen. The first call he should have made was to a lawyer and have them contact the police, cops really are that incompetent sometimes or just don't want to deal with the situation and deal with paper work, most of them don't care , I had a car stolen last month and they didn't want to look at video footage or anything.@@normalguysupercar

@jdev232

7 ай бұрын

My guess is, since buyer had some sort of "bill of sale" a other bs paperwork, they couldn't do it, and that pushed it to become a "civil" matter...for the moment

@dez7726

7 ай бұрын

yes, he should have sent the cops to the dealer not the other guy's house. Then said their was a tracker on it but it wasn't at the dealers. They would have to look for the car then impound it as it was stolen property.

@brettsadzewicz1760

7 ай бұрын

I don't buy the police "not being able to do that". With a halfway decent lawyer it would be a simple process to get a court order for the vehicle to be returned. All the evidence & power remains in the lawful title holder's possession.@@normalguysupercar Of course it wouldn't be cheap, but I imagine the costs would be nowhere near the value of the car.

** HEADS UP SHELBY OWNER ** I may be wrong, you may have another problem complicating this issue. I have a prior experience with a Texas titled vehicle I bought out of California from a “Dealer”. I received the Texas title signed over to the California “dealer”. I tried to get registration and title in Louisiana where I live and the Texas title was rejected as it was “flagged”. Here’s the kicker: In Texas, the Texas owner was able to register the vehicle AND get a Texas title WITHOUT a signed over title from the previous owner solely on the basis of a Bill of Sale. When this happens the Texas DOT “Flags” the Title and it appears on the new Texas Title like a branded title. Presumably, the flag stays on the title for 2 years I think giving a legitimate owner time to dispute ownership and reclaim the vehicle. After 2 years, the “New” owner can request the “Flag” be removed if no dispute has revealed itself during that time. Flag removal is not automatic. In my case, I had to hunt down the Texas owner and beg him to go to the Texas DOT and file to remove the flag on the vehicle as he was still listed as the owner in Texas and the 2 year waiting period had expired. Once the flag was removed, the Texas owner mailed me the new “unflagged” freshly signed over title and the Louisiana DOT had no issue registering and issuing title on the vehicle. I am bringing this to your attention because the new Texas owner CAN register AND title the Shelby with only a bill of sale which appears he has in his possession. You need to get in touch with the Texas DOT asap. I don’t know what you need to work with them. I think it may involve a stolen vehicle report for the Texas DOT to block the Texas titling of the car. Good Luck.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

This guy is waaaaaaay kinder than I would ever be. Empathy can get fucked if you screw me out of my car and money.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

No kidding

@jamesgordon7608

8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't read into the kindness very much as much as to what would be correct actions and protocols moving forward. He is already set back 200k it wouldn't need be go back any further by stupid threats that may cost even more setbacks and jail or prison time. Kinda obvious and admiral that he is able to contain his rage not acting out in full revenge "Hello to my little friend".

@AB-80X

4 ай бұрын

@@jamesgordon7608 That did not age well...

Dealing with this at a local dealership that went under myself. More common than you think. Lawyers are being engaged, fun times. Sorry for the troubles my man, people suck.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes they do

I can only imagine the stress and anxiety due to not only needing the money from the car AND losing the car as well. Horrifying.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's just terrible

These guys consigning their cars should realize that ; they do not know the actual financial health of the dealer, or that the guy could easily be in the middle of planning a few deals, waiting for a nice bank account balance to accrue, then taking off to Brazil (or wherever) and leaving all his troubles behind. Maybe I’m cynical but that’s the first thing that enters my mind when I even contemplate these types of deals. The Normal Guys are pretty much the only ones I’d trust to manage this.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

You're not wrong.

@wiifii5.071

8 ай бұрын

Thats why the old saying goes "if u want something done right u gotta do it ur self!" Could have avoided that mess

@knickerbocher

7 ай бұрын

Hmmm

Thanks for doing this, Dan. Sounds like the BEGINNING of another CNC Motors saga.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah.... I don't think it's anywhere near as big though

I’m the buyer of this car and after talking with many lawyers and Texas laws and the contract he signed, (he also said lots of things wrong) that title belongs to me and Marcus is now being sued as well. This isn’t exactly like CNC and this video alone is making things worse for Marcus

@normalguysupercar

6 ай бұрын

I'd certainly be open to having you tell your side of the story

@peterkalos6271

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like either you were both scammed or your involved. Not a contractual lawyer but he shouldn’t relinquish the title to you without fair and approved compensation. So seeing how he’s has received $0 from this sale…I see no reason why the title should be transfer to you. If anything you should be persuading a class suit with him against AlphaMotiv3! But do a video with your side. It appears that Alphamotiv3 has closed down, so I guess the scamming part was true.

@marginofsaftey

4 ай бұрын

my side is coming out Saturday, and no man you really need to look into "bonafide purchaseer" and "good faith" @@peterkalos6271

@theclutch19

4 ай бұрын

Your TX laws don't apply in CA and vice versa. So he doesn't have to "fork the title over". Unfortunately, you both have a problem here. In the words of Vinwiki, always have one: the car, the money, the title. Both of you shouldn't fight each other. Go after the dealer.

@marginofsaftey

4 ай бұрын

bro talk to a lawyer lol and CA favors the buyer please do research kid @@theclutch19

Dan, you need to do more videos of these shady places. Bring these places to light. Without some of these platform I would never know which place would be shady and thanks again for making this video

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

The catch is it's not something I go out and seek. And most people that come to me asking for help aren't willing to tell their story on camera. I'm not going to make accusations as then I'm at risk.

Dan…..”Consignments are bad……we do consignments though” 😂

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yup. I'm not going to lie.

@PeanutBlartandJelly

8 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar what’s crazy is how long these things take to get to an arrest. I mean you rob a bank and arrested immediately, you steal through deception, you’re allowed to continue doing business for months, even years. Wtf 😳

@diddy2612

8 ай бұрын

I’m not going to lie that’s the first thing I thought lol

@jackdale9249

8 ай бұрын

why ? @@normalguysupercar

More of these dealers need to go under, it's the only way to expose their shady ass

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

The problem is they usually do deals like these, THEN go under.

@youtubecarspottersguide1

8 ай бұрын

yes .wonder how many are going to get burned on the resale flips of the demon 170s ? the cars are all over ebay motors , some cars are not built or shipped any high $ im going to go look at it

Well done for putting this forward. This guy was awesome...his attitude was absolutely mint.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's a hell of a tough situation and he seems to be taking it better than I would.

Unfortunately, the courts will make you give the buyer the title, never consign anything EVER

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah

A similar thing happened to a car friend through a very well known SF bay area collector car consignment shop. They sold the car, but didn't pay him. A few months later, despite being warned, the car was sold by Mecum. And again, it ended up being offered by a collector car consigner/reseller, this time in the Mid-West. This time, it was on Ebay.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Did he ever get the money?

Thank you so much for sharing your story. What im taking away from this is, never consign your property, regardles it's value!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes agreed

First review on Yelp says they sold two cars without paying, two months ago…

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's one of the other known victims.

Fantastic video. You did a great job presented the facts given the emotional nature of the story.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

with the used car market crashing you will start seeing a bunch of these stories coming out because there's a lot of dealers that will collapse.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately you're probably right

The buyer won't be held liable and will have the right to legal title BECAUSE he purchased from a seller who normally deals in this type of product. The exception would be if the buyer was party to the fraud.

@marcusa7886

7 ай бұрын

False.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

It's not that simple

@marginofsaftey

4 ай бұрын

finally someone smart....

Happened to me in 2016. These dealers have a “floor plan” loan. They get behind in payments and their bank takes over their bank account so any money you wire them gets seized by the bank and you have no recourse.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's nuts

@tjmoneybags

7 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar so what do you do? ask for bank references of good standing?

I knew the brothers from the auto auctions, and their dad was a scammer too. The brothers have both been kicked out of most auctions here in soCal, JP especially. JP always wanted to be the cool guy, and was such a con, I'm truly surprised how many fell for his bs. You can hear his con in his voice. I really hope the real owners of the vehicles get their property recovered, and the brothers get what's coming to them.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

That's unfortunate to hear

These kinds of shenanigans with classic cars have brought down a lot of the "consignment" businesses including some of the largest classic vehicle auction houses around.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

That's probably a good thing

When the car crossed state lines, using a bank wire for funds transfer, it became a Federal case, Id speak with the DOJ, they will lock the dealers doors, impound everything including his personal assets, then they'll seize the car. This is business not personal...ALWAYS KEEP THE TWO SEPARATE!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

@jimkelly4214

5 ай бұрын

Michael Corleone whould agree.

Glad you shine light on sketchy dealers

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

We're trying

We really need to share this video with everyone asap!!!!! So other people with consignments can pull there cars !!!!!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes

dang I feel bad for this guy. it sucks because these scammers are hidden in plain sight with their nice dealerships and fancy websites make it seem like everything is going well for the guy, only to be fooled. A guy can get locked up same day for stealing a car from a parking lot but this guy takes around a million bucks and will be years before he ever sees a punishment.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

All because it's a civil court matter instead of criminal

@tjmoneybags

7 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar wow....I didn't know that....thats nuts!

That is so painful. Hope the story works out well for Marcus

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Indeed, we hope so.

I bought a car from these guys last spring. I remember asking Byron during the test drive if they owned all the cars in their show room and I specifically mentionted CNC motors. He laughed and said "oh that guy, no bro we own our cars." It took 4 months for me to get the title to my car after I bugged him almost daily and threatened getting a lawyer. He never did fix everything he said he would on the car too. He went dark on my around September 2023. I feel fortunate I got the title to the car I purchased.

@normalguysupercar

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like they've been playing games for a while

Sorry to hear of this very unfortunate situation. Being very familiar with consignments, I believe it is very likely that an Innocent Buyer is entitled to keep the car and your only recourse is with the dealer.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Most likely

We consigned our 4x4 Sprinter last year and I was a nervous wreck until the check cleared.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Ugh yeah

The problem with these dealerships is that you have to be extremely well capitalized to do this type of business, if you have multiple transactions occurring concurrently managing cash flow is almost a full time job and a lot of these dealerships are trying to do the accounting themselves. Then you add in dealerships that are buying and selling as well as consigning and using sales of consignments as cash flow and it just becomes very complex even without the intent of fraud. If you are considering doing consignment I would ask a bunch of questions on how financial management is done and if funds are separated.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

As a dealership owner, you should never allow funds from consignment transactions to be used for anything other than the consignment transaction until it's fully settled.

Never let your shit live out of your hands. Take money give title and car always and period

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Yup

It just seems to me, given some of the examples here and at CNC that ownership is primarily responsible for not letting things get out of hand. Consignment or not, strict time limits, more retrictive paperwork and time frames would help. But ultimately the owner of the car to sell has to be diligent and attentive to the details of the agreement.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

The problem is when the company simply violates the contract as in this example. Then it's a civil matter.

I've been in the car business a long time and just recently in the last 10 years I've heard of 5 or more dealerships pulling weird stunts like this and ending up out of business within a year or two what goes around comes around eventually.. All the guy had to do was wait for a higher offer instead of selling it short and robbing one peter to pay paul

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah there seems to be a lot of BS dealerships screwing people lately

In for more new nefarious activities, but really enjoy watching you wield a wrench on your Ferraris!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Is there some type of consignment insurance available? Title insurance like real estate?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Not that I'm aware of but that's a good idea

Biggest red flag is him willing to pay 2500 for a couple of paint chips 😂

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Perhaps

It really seems as if 90% of everything is a scam these days!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

There's certainly a lot of them out there

Sad fact is most dealerships just barely stay within the law with their shady business practices. I once worked at a dealership and those with low / bad credit ratings are the ones usually taken advantage of the most.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

That would not surprise me at all

I'm not all the way through the video yet and this is sickening it's making my stomach turn I feel so horrible for him and the other people

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I can't even imagine the stress

@johningle6363

8 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar can you imagine being scammed out of one of your guys dealership cars the setback that would make. Both financially to the business and to you and Josh and Meg. I hope they can get it sorted out.

Shady dudes and bruhs in many sales roles. Not just automotive. Real estate, boating, art, entrepreneurs, construction, etc.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Oh yeah

@san1eong

8 ай бұрын

They say bro to me, I say bye.

sounds like a vinwiki story , keep us posted , I was going to have a transport co haul my airstream to Arizona kinda having 2nd thoughts might not ever see it again

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Transport companies are federally regulated

@youtubecarspottersguide1

8 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar good to know thanks love you channel and logo

How hard is it to do a private sale?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

It can be very difficult

What is the update on cnc motors. Did Clay skip town with the cars on a boat somewhere

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

We did a video on it recently

Always keep two out of the following three in your possession until the deal is closed: The money. The Title. The Vehicle. This reminds me of when I was somewhat scammed by SourceMotors our of Huntington Beach. Same type of personality - very charismatic, very communicative. When my truck arrived, (luckily) it required $2500 in repairs just to pass state inspection and it had knock-off parts installed on it despite those specific brandname items (wheels) being listed in the bill of sale. Oh and then the engine exploded less than 1500 miles after delivery.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's a good move to keep the title and vehicle.

Did he say the consignment was 7%? Isn't that unusually low? When I've considered in the past, I read online that 20-25% is common, which seems ridiculously high to me.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Depends, we've seen it usually 5-10%

There’s a basic car fact. You can sell your car online just as easily as anyone else. I have sold several cars and high performance SUVs. I never release the vehicle until the wire is clear in MY account. With the internet no need to consign, although you do have to work a little

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

I would disagree about the ease of selling cars... But yes to not releasing the car until money is cleared

I had this happen to me but with a theater performance. They owed me 5500 in CC sales they took in. They gave me a story of some medical bills they had to pay and a new show was coming the next week and would pay me from that. I wish they hadn't told me that but they did so I called the show they planned on paying me from and warned them they were planning on paying me with their money. So I never got paid. I couldn't knowingly let somebody else fall prey so I could be paid.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Ugh sorry to hear that

What?! I thought 2.0 was the dealership in FL with a rogue salesman?

@ashishpatel350

8 ай бұрын

"rogue"

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Well, there was a few dealerships in FL that did shady shit.

So many red flags, I lost count!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yup

Thank you.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Not to mention is it heartbreaking for the owners. But also to the registries of the precious way to few of, Shelby. It puts a stain on the legacy of those cars for their future. I hate that greed with selfish, evil inconsiderate MFr's. It saddens me that were at a point in time where things like this can occur and 80% of the time it ends up in civil court with a judgement that takes yrs to collect. If you even get any of it back. So your out your baby, your investment and most of the time, life savings. Receiving nickels on the dollar a month for many yrs. Just to recover some of the funds. I'm sorry to hear this for that gentleman. Especially those 3 cars being some of the finest vehicles Ford and Mr Shelby produced. Cars that in no way possible can be replaced. They're not out there to replace them with. Lesson learned. Of that's any consolation. Thanks for sharing

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes indeed

same as the watch industry

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

I could see that

The S.A. guy is lucky you didnt show up & repo car right there. Me myself idk woulda been hard to let them know about tracking w/o finding info on the guy who has it 8n possession

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

True

Crazy !!!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's giving me flashbacks.

In my town, people have gone missing for messing with the wrong car. My dad taught me to never touch a man's car; especially in this town. Dad said, "Son, these folk have put their hard earned money into their vehicles. If you touch the wrong car, they will beat you into paste and I will stand there and let them. Do you understand?" This mining town is full of people that have very little patience...

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Haha

An unfortunate situation. But I can’t help but seeming a lot of red flags. Hope it is solved. Good luck.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

Ouch😢

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Yeah

since the contract expired can he report the car as stolen?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Not exactly

Will a consigner allow you to keep the keys to the car so when a perspective buyer comes by, you can show up with the key and meet the perspective buyer with the consigner? It would go without saying that would be a lockout of some kind. What the hell do I know, I would never be able to afford a $250k car?

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Generally no

This market is a fraud magnet.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yes it is

The only way to do a Consignment is to only allow the Sales Dealer to advertise the car, all other transaction should be done by the buyer and seller.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately that may not be legal in many states.

ANY time you hand your car to anyone...it is a risk...but handing it off to a consignment shop...you have a "greater than 50% chance" of losing your car...would NEVER leave a car with a consignment dealer...too many stories like this one...Hope it all gets resolved.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

I would say it's pretty low probability of getting screwed like this but it does happen

I live in San Antonio, and feel bad for this guy. Do what ya gotta do to either get your car back, or get your money for the car.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

For sure!

I hope he gets the $$$ he is owed.

Did you do a google search of the dealer before giving him car on consignment? You may have found some red flags of other customer complaints.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

I think most of those are after this happened

Scares the crap out of me

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah

I’m sure the California DMV Investigators would be interested in hearing from you.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

Damn I feel for this guy! If it were me I’d have flown to Texas and waited for the car to be driven out for a weekend or similar from the garage then just casually taken my keys and driven off in my car. Considering if you have possession and a title then it’s not stealing whatsoever as long as you don’t break into the guys house to steal it. Hell could pay a “Good Samaritan” a grand to break into the house and drop the car down the road for you from the guys house. I feel bad for the new “owner” being scammed out of money but damn gotta look after your own interests first. Imagine the new “owner” being stuck pursuing litigation so just ships the car off overseas where it can be registered with the VIN and making his money back that way. Safe to assume police coming to his door and looking at the car means he knows there’s a tracking device on it and has removed it.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's a legal grey area to do that

@notmyname3883

8 ай бұрын

IT's NOT a gray area! It would be THEFT. You give your car to a criminal under an agreement called a consignment. That doc gives the criminal both REAL and APPARENT AUTHORITY to sell your car. He sells your car. You no longer have any title or interest in the car. PERIOD. THere's no GRAY in this area at all. Your sole recourse is against the consignee. It sucks, but the law protects the VIGILANT, and the VIGILANT simply do not consign their "supercars" with criminals. PERIOD. Where's the "grey area" in this law?

@jamesestrada82

7 ай бұрын

@robstajay you’re delusional homeboy. I’m sure you got this idea from a Fast and Furious movie - that’s not real life 😂

@JohnnyDanger36963

7 ай бұрын

​@@notmyname3883naw,steal the car back

@JohnnyDanger36963

7 ай бұрын

​@@jamesestrada82naw steal the car back.

If I had a car like that dont think I could handle letting it leaving my possession, hope it works out for the real owner and the scammer gets shut down.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

Of course people start commenting on their instagram… but those comments are now deleted. No not shady at all trying to hide it. Unfortunately this kind of situation happens too often.

@marcusa7886

8 ай бұрын

@shawnm696 exactly

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah that's a bad sign

This guy needs to file a stolen vehicle report with the San Antonio PD. While the guy in possession of the dar sent money to the scumbag in California, he does not have legal possession of the car. The title owner is the legal owner of the car. Why he hasn't engaged with an attorney is beyond me. I live 30 miles north of San Antonio. Send me a key, let me know where the car is, and I'll go get it.

@marcusa7886

8 ай бұрын

Already in progress, thank you for the response

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's actually more complicated than this but in an ideal world, yes

@f430ferrari5

8 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercarbut he made it more complicated. He was too nice. As soon as he tracked his car he should have physically taken it back. He has physical possession and the title. It’s the buyer’s problem. He should have never taken possession of car without title.

@beefmalone

8 ай бұрын

Yeah he needs to go get his car asap. Between the police showing up and this video, I'll be really shocked if that tracker doesn't disappear as well as the car. It won't be visible from the street much longer and once it's inside a fence or behind a door then it REALLY gets complicated.

@notmyname3883

8 ай бұрын

CAREFUL! You're verging on CONSPIRACY, both criminal and civil. The law will see two potential "losers" here. Will it be the guy who, in good faith, bought from another guy who held the car, the title, and the consignment agreement admittedly signed by the owner? Or will it be the owner who TRUSTED a criminal, GAVE him the car, the title, the keys, AND signed an agreement giving him all legal authority to transfer title to the car to anyone in the world? aND, who then failed to keep an eye on the transaction? THe answer should be obvious.

What’s the safe way to do this?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Don't do consignments

The not so funny thing is I just finished watching Matt Salvo's latest video about his car. At least in his case, it's really his car now.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Yeah that took him a long time

Theft is not a mistake

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

No kidding

What is the link to your car site

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

ngsupercars.com

I must admit that’s the worst background I’ve ever seen for the victim

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

It's blurred

Some folks are so trusting of People !!!

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Sadly I wish we all could be

Any updates

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Not yet.

Consignment has risks and private sales are a lot of work, got it. Where do auctions fit in? The large auction houses aren’t skipping town, they’re capitalized, and sellers get their money…

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

They take HUGE cuts.

Dan needs to team up with Ed for NGSC stories.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Possibly if he wanted to. :)

What happened to CNC crook, and Matt with the 360 ferrari they sold to him without a title?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

We did an update on this recently.

Wow. Thats terrible.

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Sadly yes

@NKPGarage

7 ай бұрын

@@normalguysupercar there’s never a lack of scammers in the world. Specially these days. You have to go into every conversation with the understanding that you may be getting scammed.

OfferUp , Facebook market place …. Like why bruh why 😂

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

It happens

Im in California,i brought a car one time had the title and the car,my wife calls me one day saying the sheriff is here and they're towing your car,i came home immediately pull the cops I had just bought the car and here is the title, they said the car was reported stolen and took my car and the title

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Wow that's nuts!

What is the guys name at Alphamotiv?? We want to make sure we avoid him in other businesses.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

It's in the video

You cannot take anything that a conman says as truthful. I really hope that you can recover your car.

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Indeed

****There are no excuses, this is straight up THEFT**** excuses, mistakes, etc aren't anyone else's concern.. send those punks to jail!

@normalguysupercar

7 ай бұрын

Indeed

Why wait all this time to look at the tracker..

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

It's easy to look back and suggest what should have been done

Time to start making cement shoes 🚤🐟🐟🐟🐟

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

No kidding

And what happened at the end???

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

This is still ongoing

@AB-80X

4 ай бұрын

New video up.

Here we go again with consignments. Why do people sell their cars on consignment?

@normalguysupercar

8 ай бұрын

Well, it's an easy option. More money, less work. It's appealing.