I've owned both. I picked up a used 2019 Van Van last summer. It is a scrambler back road bike, whereas, the TW200 is a farm/trail bike. I use the Van Van as an adventure bike when camping.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff! Thanks for the comment. Have you had any issues with the Vanvan at all as far as fueling or electronics go?

@jeffpeterson6507

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 No, it has worked fine. The only issue I have found is very few aftermarket parts available. No 14 tooth front sprockets available or 50 tooth rear sprockets. No skid plates. I found the bottom frame addition from Suzuki and installed that. But that's it. The bike itself is very comfortable and light. It handles well on gravel roads.

@highwayman1218

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffpeterson6507 T-rex offers a few items for the VV.

1 used RV200 was available on Cycle Trader w/ under 500 on the ODO in the last year . When I found out that the old rich dude that was selling it was down the street from me here in Sylvania Township Oh , I literally peed a little in my pants , went code 3 to the bank , and sat in my living room waiting for the return phone call . He calls me, and I asked “ please sell it to me “ … Him - “Thanks for not talking me down ($3k) , lets do it kid “ . It’s sitting in my garage as I’m waiting for weather to break . I’ve had all sorts of bikes . For what ever reason, the handling is incredible on this thing ie maneuverability. The looks are endless . It actually looks like art work to me w/the retro look . Riding at 3 AM around farm roads in Ohio is like dreaming for me . It’s a forever bike . If I had more time , I’d tell ya how I really feel about her .

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Alpha! Thanks for the awesome comment! I am waiting for our weather to break as well. I am glad you like the bike so much. I wish I could get my hands on one so I can see for myself how they do. Thanks for taking the time to watch and again for the comment. I'm stoked you are happy with it. Best Regards!

Hi Matt, I’ve owned both (two VanVans in fact) and even did a KZread comparison. Both are fantastic fun bikes. The setup and suspension on the TW makes it more usable on trails where as the Van Van is great around town and dirt roads but starts to struggle when trails get a little rougher. Here in the UK we’re the opposite way round because it’s far easier to get the VanVan than the TW.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed that video between the TW! I just found someone here in Utah that has a Vanvan and I'm gonna try to get out there so I can see what they are like. It's funny how different countries have different niches in the market like that! That's good to know about them though. It looks to me as though the Vanvan is more street set than the TW is.

@irishflyer6377

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 agreed the VanVan is more street, still good fun on easy sand, dirt and farm tracks, I find the front suspension way too soft and just bottoms out far too easy. I out today on single tract where a friend I’d borrowing my DRZ and I’m on the TW225. As long as I don’t want speed the TW will go almost anywhere, love it. Stay well.

@bloodlust1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@irishflyer6377 thought the same. My van vans front suspension is a biy soft but still seems to be responsive and stable over roguht ground. Amazingly good fun though.

@irishflyer6377

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodlust1000 both of them are fun bikes and remind us how much fun small and simple bikes can be.

@irishflyer6377

9 ай бұрын

@@IMMORTALDIO Very hard, there seem to be very few TW200 in the UK. The best version is the 225 if you can find one, kick and electric start plus a tiny bit more power. A nice 200 or 225 is probably over £3k.

I’ve rode the two. Got tired of cleaning the carb on the TW after every winter, so I bought the VanVan. Rode the VanVan from Minnesota thru North Carolina then down to south Florida when I moved through back highways and it was a great journey. TransAmerica Trail is next on the list for the VanVan.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

They are both great bikes and the fuel issue sucks for both. If you don't run the fuel in the injected bike it will eventually wreak havoc on the FI system as well. That trail would be a blast. So far, I haven't had an issue with the fuel on my TW's. I rode them through most of the winter though through the snow in the yard and if the roads didn't have ice on them. I would love to ride a Vanvan though to see the difference between them. That sounds like it would have been a great ride you did down to Florida, I would love to have a bike down there.

@blader947

Жыл бұрын

so your VV 200 is FI then? Did you make any sprocket changes or what did u do to make it workable for such a long trip???

A twin rail frame section that goes under the engine for mounting a bash plate is a Suzuki accessory FYI. My VanVan sees dirt all the time. I just have to slow down a little and pick my lines. However it is more happy on back country lanes and fire roads. Although I bigger bikes in the Garage I just love hoping on it and seeing where I might end up.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

That's great to know! I would love to take one out on the trails and see what it's like. I have a Harley Davidson FatBoy in the garage and unless I am going on a long ride, the TW is the bike of choice 99% of the time! Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!

That VanVan looks like the old RV 90/125 that Suzuki made back in the late 70s I was lucky enough to own the RV90 and enjoyed that 2stroke engine it never missed a beat . My female friends that I rode with owned both the RV90 and the RV125 the RV125 had a really neat 2 speed transmission with a high an low range with a flip of your heel to change it. I can say they were tough bikes to be run like my friends ran theirs, mine was in great shape when I sold it to a family friend , funny thing is a few years later my friends gave me both of their Suzuki RV bikes, I purchased the shop manual and found parts in North Carolina had the 125 running when I sold both bike to a local guy who restores them they seem to have a cult following kind of like the TW200 which I still ride . love the strange and obscure bikes.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!! I'm like you in the aspect and like the bikes that seem like an underdog to most but are great machines. Thanks for sharing Gunsite!

@MsCyou0157

3 ай бұрын

RV90/125は、日本ではvanvanという名前で販売されていました。 vanvan200は、RVシリーズの精神的後継機として販売されました。

The Van Vans were not available 2 years ago when I got my TW200. I'm happy with the T-dub.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I'm way happy with my TW's as well! Would be cool to find one though so I could do some better comparisons with it.

Great stuff! That looks like a fun show!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

It was a great show! They said the numbers were down because of all that is going on right now. But, we are already planning on going next year for sure!

Here in the states it would make more sense to buy a TW brand new, but having seen this I would want a custom seat just like the van van’s.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! The TW has been and is awesome. I love both of mine. I was pretty surprised at how big and spacious that seat on the Vanvan was.

Last summer i was searching high and low for a new or almost new TW200. I found one at a dealer but got there 4 hours late (it sold early that morning). The only other thing close that I could find was a Van-Van, 2 hours away in Jacksonville, FL. It looked great, as does this one you are showing. Looks much more comfortable, too. But when I noticed that it did not have a skid-plate, I had serious second thoughts. Also, I did not know that it is not available new in the states anymore. I still haven't got a TW200 yet. Maybe this year. You know how it goes - other things get a little higher priority sometimes. I am still hopeful, though. Thanks for the video, Matt!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Vinnie! I know what you mean about finding one. I have looked here in Utah for the Vanvan and from what I have seen, I haven't found a used one yet. I'm interested in seeing how they handle what we put our TW's through.

@johnwhite3664

2 жыл бұрын

Keep looking they are out there. Try facebook market place. I found a 87 tw with 1500 miles paid 2200 hundred for it. I was looking for half year. Be patient.

Yeah I love the style of the Van Van but at the end of the day you just can't find them as easy as the Tdubs

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

That is true! Seems like folks are trying to hold to them now since you can't buy them. The folks at Suzuki were all telling me that they wish it was still around because of how much everyone likes them.

I took my MSF class on a VanVan and absolutely loved it. It made me want a T-dub!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are good bikes! Have you got yourself a TW?

@dustinsegers4534

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 not yet, but I got another dual sport and I ride my BW200 regularly and it holds me over until I can get a T-dub!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Those ol' BW's are awesome!

I have a 2017 Van Van in my stable.. I won't leave until I am done riding. T-Rex racing makes great products for the Van Van.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Dave! That's awesome! It's good to have bikes that you enjoy that much. Thanks for letting me know where to find parts for it, I really appreciate it.

I own a 125 VanVan. I lovet so much that I bought another one for my brother. Interesting fact: when I was on holiday, I missed my little VanVan much more than my 2022 V Strom 1050xt.

@MOBStreet83

8 ай бұрын

😂 I love my TW's the same way! They are great bikes. Thanks for watching and the comment.

The orange VanVan looks sharp!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

No joke! I wish the TW came in that color.

Thanks, looking at both.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

You bet! I am partial to the TW200!

I have both. I live in Japan so it’s easy to get both here

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would make it easy....

Don't get me wrong the Vanvan looks cool / more old school in my opinion. But the extra ground clearance over the motor and having a carb are a couple big selling points for the TW, for me at least.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Vanvan totally speaks more Retro than the TW does for sure. I went with the TW for those reasons as well. I wanted simple over electronics. I know it isn't super sophisticated electronics, but still.

@fredtracy3931

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget, the TW 200 has been around since 1987!!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! And hopefully it will stick around for another 30 years!

This bike is now harder to locate and buy than any other bike I’ve attempted to buy . I did a complete thorough US search for 6 months and would only see one or two being for sale and they would be sold by the time I could respond .Cycle trader has the most I’ve seen at 8 or less in the entire US as of 4/17. The 2019 US discontinuation of the RV200 / VanVan has certainly juiced the demand for sure . All the asking prices are MSRP and over for brand new ,yet these are all 2018/19 models with miles . I just read a report that stated “Very few sightings of the RV 200 are have been reported on us streets “ . More sightings of Sasquatch have been documented in the lower 48 than the VanVan in 2021/2.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I know! They are more of a Unicorn than the TW is. I found someone by me that has one and I want to go take a look at it and see how it is. He rides his though and uses it all the time.

I found a new VanVan in FL two years ago. I have half dozen bikes to choose from, but the VanVan puts a smile on my face every time I ride it. The EFI is a plus over carbs in my opinion - especially if you plan to ride through significant elevation changes.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

Hey Steve! I have tried to find one here in Utah but haven't been able to find them here much. I would love to do a ride with one. I live at 6,000' elevation and I have ridden from 4,000-10,000' elevation and I haven't had an issue with the jetting yet. I would still love to see how they do though.

@stevec4748

Жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 I'm not hating on the TW. It's an icon. I like tech, so the EFI swayed my decision when looking for my beachside ride.

I love my TW, and the Van Van looks fun. The muffler is the only thing that bugs me. I’m fine with the tw muffler but if I had a van van I’d want to replace stock for something slimmer.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

You and me both Jacob!! That thing just looks off!

Great Video Thanks for the comparison. I am just wondering why they show the VanVan at the show if they don't sell it in the States. Is it a tease for next year?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Armin! This was a booth for "Ride Among Us" which helps folks get into motorcycles. They were showing starter/entry style motorcycles. Not a tease unfortunately.

I think they’re kind of cool, I like that they’re fuel injected and the seed is cool but I think it’s more of a putting around bike compared to the TW. I’ve seen people take them on some trails and even jump them a little and they seem to do pretty good but just looking closely at them they don’t seem like they would be as tough. The other problem is, they discontinued them a few years ago and they were only out for two or three years and I’m imagining that owning one would be kind of a pain because eventually parts are gonna get hard. There’s not gonna be an aftermarket and I think that’s where the TW shines.just for putting around though I think that seat would be way more comfortable😅 I like them, but I would still get a TW first

@MOBStreet83

Ай бұрын

I completely agree with all of that!

funnin im in canada and i couldnt find a tw for sale new or used bujt i found a 2018 van van so got that and shes a sweet lookin rig

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

Sweet! I wish I could find a Vanvan around here to take for a spin and really see how they compare to each other!

Give me a Yamaha over a Suzuki any day!!!!!

@BillySBC

2 жыл бұрын

They're both very good brands but why take an imitation TW200 when you don't have to?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

They are both good bikes. There is more out there for the TW since they only made the Vanvan for a few years.

had both... van van (RV125) is fun, but definitely Tdub... Using it on street, 110kph is enough, but yamaha should really make a Tdub 270-300cc.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

That's good to know, I wish I could do a side by side riding comparison with them.

@MuktiLuv

Жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 well, do you want a cross / tractor that goes everywhere or do you want a retro looking thing that does small clean trail to go fishing... thats pretty much the bottom line of it... suzuki will tend to break too, the Tdub is pretty much bullet proof... got into an accident with a car the other day, front wing heavily bumped, 2 holes in her door, mirror broken in 12 pieces, Tdub not even a scratch.

Wow! The VanVan was actually the only OTHER bike I wanted if I couldn't get the TW200. But again there was not one for sale here in Sweden. I found a few in France, and Italy, but that's a long way away. I'd really love to try out a VanVan some day.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

You and me both! I found a guy who lives about an hour south of me who has a couple of them. Gotta see if we can do a video with the Vanvan sometime.

@uncletom1971

Жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 Absolutely! And make a comparison review. I can't wait.

@MuktiLuv

Жыл бұрын

you're not missing, had both, Tdub all the way... van van feels more like if its made for old peoples, thats not nimble, looking classic is its main feature, TW is a cross crossed with a tractor, funniest bike ever.

@uncletom1971

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. They seem so alike.

@MuktiLuv

Жыл бұрын

@@uncletom1971 i dont how you can think that they are so alike, apart from the tire size... one is a nimble cross, the other is a retro-looking fat b**** (had both, kept TW)

IF the TW was a 250, disc break and FI I would buy right now

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I will too! But, I am having a blast with them right now.

@dieselgeezer18

Жыл бұрын

disc break is not necessary in the back i would say. The drum provides enough power to lock the rear

My only complaint on the tw is the position of the handle bars making it almost impossible to stand up,though they do sell risers to install but more time and $

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I can understand that! Have you adjusted the bars yet to see if that helps? Just rolling them forward a bit has made a difference for me. I also installed the 30mm risers from Rocky Mountain ATV (www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/tusk-handlebar-risers-p?ref=1033&) and didn't need any cable adjustment. That has helped me but I am only 5'6".

@andyamysarizonaadventures5450

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 thank you!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

You Bet!

I would love fuel injection on my T Dub. And why not a kick start. Would it kill them to make it with a kick start as well as electric like the old ones?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I'm all about the TW's having the kickstart as well. I have been pretty happy with the carb on the Tdub. It has taken me all over the place and different elevations without a hiccup......yet.

my fiance loves the van van, its too bad they stopped selling them in the US

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

You can find them used.....they're almost like a Unicorn though. The TW is a great machine as well if she likes that style.

My opinion: Better stick to the street on the Van Van. It would only be good for a Bunny Rabbit trail ride at best. It might look similar to the Yamaha in some ways but is definitely not made with the ruff and tumble rugged versatility of the TW200. The only category it could compete with the TW in is on a road trip because of the big soft seat. It is a nice bike but no match for the TW200.

@John-rw2zf

2 жыл бұрын

@Debra Little You are a wise and well informed motorcycle rider Ms. Little. Be safe out there.

@John-rw2zf

2 жыл бұрын

@Debra Little Thanks. Will do.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I love the comment section of videos. Folks that have experience with one thing or another willing to share information. Thank You!

where can I buy a Van Van? I need one!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know? There are VanVan pages on Facebook that might help. My local classifieds I haven't been able to find anything.

Does anyone know if Suzuki will bring the Van Van back next year?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey John! Thanks for the question. I spoke with Suzuki while at the AIMExpo and asked that same question. I was told that no one knows if they will bring it back or not. I know there are a lot of folks who are hopeful, but there isn't any idea that I am aware of that they will bring it back.

@jodebelle

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 Thanks for info. I guess you can buy tdub and modify with fat seat and trooper tank for retro look🤔

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are folks adding all sorts of different things to the bikes.

Wait wait wait..... so you mean to tell me the van van is in production?!?!?!

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

No, I state in the video that if you want the Vanvan you're gonna have to find a used one. They stopped making them in 2019.

@knifecharlatan8912

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 sorry, I'm a bad listener 😳

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, you're good. I had to re watch the video just to make sure I had it in there.

Does this mean you can get a vanvan in the states?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

You can get one here, but it will be a used model. They stopped making these in 2019 here in the states.

@deweymonstersoutdooradventures

2 жыл бұрын

@@MOBStreet83 😢 I look for used ones on occasion but pickings are slim

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they are!

A lot of folks will slam the VanVan, but I'd be happy to take one for a test ride if someone threw me the keys.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I'd take one for a spin for sure! I'd love to have one just so I could do more in depth reviews of the two bikes!

I prefer the VanVan. More comfortable. Better on the road. The TW is better off-road.

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to get my hands on one to really find out the differences.

I see you’re looking for a Vanvan. The aftermarket I assume would be almost non existent. That being said your channel could become very unique indeed if you could run them side by side. Under all conditions. It would be a sweet comparison likely not found anywhere and interesting. Good luck.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Gary! I would love to find a Vanvan and run them both side by side! I think I have found someone in my area that has one and I am looking forward to working with them! Debra I wouldn't say that the Vanvan isn't as good. There are things about it that some would prefer the TW had and vise versa. But, everyone I have spoken to about either bike, absolutely love them! I bought the Dunlop K180's for my TW and everyone told me I put Vanvan tires on my TW. They are great for the street, a lot more street worthy than the stock TW tires. They both are great small displacement bikes. I am looking forward to running them side by side though!

Yamaha looks way cooler.

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I'm kind of a fan of it myself!

Looks like the Yamaha comes with a factory rear rack and the Suzuki does not. 👍🏻😀

@MOBStreet83

Жыл бұрын

Has a little spot for something with some tie down points under the fender. But, the Cycleracks is well worth the money! kzread.info/dash/bejne/an2YpNqClpPSedo.html

@stevec4748

Жыл бұрын

T-Rex Racing makes a nice rack and top box setup for the VanVan

anyone interested in seeing videos of a VanVan FI on my Dub? How To Video?

@MOBStreet83

2 жыл бұрын

I know a lot of folks say they have trouble with carburetors......but I haven't had any issue with mine on my TW. It has been below freezing here where I live in Utah for the last month and the bike fires right up with the starter knob. I have a CRF250L here right now as well that is FI and it doesn't start nearly as well as my TW does in the cold. Not to mention that if the battery is dead, I can still bump start my bike and get me home. I don't have anything against FI but as far as simplicity goes, I think the carb is more simple. I also live at 6,000' and run from 4,000' to 10,000' and haven't had any issue with the carb so far.