Sales are also falling because everyone is broke with no disposable income. Inflation, student loans, and skyrocketing housing cost are killing the market for recreational toys

@Mekaeshi

4 ай бұрын

Well said, I can’t even afford it only a 150cc as of now

@JoeStanek-vu7rl

4 ай бұрын

I just paid cash for a 2023 MT 09 SP... work harder.

@AJYZF1R2010

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately 😢

@Mekaeshi

4 ай бұрын

@@JoeStanek-vu7rl Thanks Brother for inspiring me to work harder and get My dream motorcycle

@user-wi5ko5vf7k

4 ай бұрын

@@JoeStanek-vu7rl👏🏻

It's quite easy (albeit sad) to understand the demise of sportbikes: Aging riders moving on to more comfortable machines; ADVs and naked bikes being more and more capable when it comes to performance; Euro emission regulations killing in-line 4s; increasing cost of living - people in general have less available income and motorcycles are very expensive toys; and finally, in a society obsessed with being safe and secure, a race replica machine is not something most people are into anymore.

@langhamp8912

4 ай бұрын

The current xsr900 (which I own) makes more power and is 30 pounds lighter than the original CBR900RR, and yet the XSR900 has shockingly low insurance rates. In the absolute sense, the XSR900 is frighteningly fast, both on the street and on the track. Thus, buying a sportbike which makes 80 more HP is, by most reasonable riders and even the nutters out there, kinda pointless. A bike 1/3 the cost is probably the choice most riders make.

@Demonbfg

4 ай бұрын

I guess you could say I'm an aging rider. At 75 years old i find my ZX-14r very comfortable and the way the industry is going, i will keep it until i can't ride anymore.

@slaw8609

3 ай бұрын

The biggest point you made is that the new generation is a bunch of soft r7 riders smh

@slaw8609

3 ай бұрын

​@@langhamp8912 you sir are who is killing the "nutters" joy in the world..

@slaw8609

Ай бұрын

Someone has to do it.. lol

Pretty easy to understand yamaha didn't wanna deal with euro emissions and that's why we're getting the r7 and potentially the r9. There is nothing to do with anything else. No company is gonna wanna discontinue what's working for them.

Right before Kawasaki came out with the ZX4RR I had bought a 2021 MT07. I really enjoyed it but I was missing the sound of the inline 4. I owned a Triumph Street Triple for about 6 years along with a Bonneville. I found myself riding the Bonneville more after awhile. So I traded the Street Triple in for a cruiser. I loved the sound of the 350 degree crank parallel twin sound with Predator mufflers. But the parallel sound of the MT07 didn't please me at all. The bike was great but the romance wasn't there. Since getting the ZX4RR, I want to ride it all the time. The joy, it brings me is beyond common since but I will be enjoying it for a long time. I thought about a ZX6R but I don't think it would be more enjoyable to me. Speed isn't everything. I'll never get the 4RR to it's max. One happy guy.

@shoeitime

3 ай бұрын

I just did the same thing! I loved my Mt07, but I couldn't stand the parallel twin note. I just sold it and I am getting the new street triple 765 rs.

Its definitely sad however, honda has re introduced the cb600rr in europe for 2024. Granted its not a 1000, but at least some brands are willing to make them. As people stated too, inflation, cost of living, crazy taxes, just a rough time and its a shame these companies are moving away from race bikes.

Just watched your Dads Gold Wing video , l didn't realise it was 2 years old , well l ride a GSX 1400 k7 Suzy I bought new in 2009 & Yes l still have it My first bike was a Honda Moped c90 then after 3 months sold it & bought a T250J & over the years had 4 of them then a Yamaha XT600 for 4 years then got the GSX , but always had my eyes on the water bottle GT750 ,l just love the smell of 2 stroke it put me on a high lol Oh l am 67 years young from Melbourne Australia 😮😮😮😮😁

What do you anticipate with MT10? Thanks for topic!

Pretty excited to see what they come up with for the r9. I really like the cp3 motor as well and I think it'll be a nice replacement for the R6(not the r1). I do hope they boost the power numbers with the r9 though and put it in the realm of the gsxr 600 and Kaw 636. If they do, the added torque of the 3 cylinder over the inline 4 will be a very welcome perk.

@JoeStanek-vu7rl

4 ай бұрын

You do realize that the MT09 will beat the R1 to 100mph right? With hotter cams and a little more compression the CP3 could easily put out 180hp.

@ForrestMarble

4 ай бұрын

@@JoeStanek-vu7rl I do and I 100% hope they boost the numbers. I also realize they need to meet stupid emissions regulations so I'm not getting my hopes up for big numbers. I would love to see 140-150hp though. Put something in the gsxr 750 and the panigale v2 competition bucket

It sucks, Im in my 40's and still prefer these bikes and don't care about getting into any other type of bike. Ah well, ill keep what i have for as long as possible and continue to buy older sportbikes.

Someone told me this at a motorcycle shop he said there won’t be no more r1 I said no way I’m in between R1 or BMW s1000rr I looked it up they said USA were good but Europe is a no go ? So will this bike go away here in USA?

Why not 1100cc to compensate the power loss because of the upcoming Euro 5.5?

I’ve been at such a crossroads on buying an r1. Do you guys think there will be any updates or styling changes in the future even though it’s inevitable doom? My problem is that I want one. And let’s say I got one this year. But than for some odd reason it’s updated in 2025. I’d be pissed!🤣

@Reivbv

28 күн бұрын

I'm in the same boat as you man. I really want an R1 because they might disappear soon. Then Honda has got me thinking about getting the new Fireblade SP since they just updated it.

Still disappointed that we won't get the xsr900gp but I guess waiting for an r9 is okay too

@shoeitime

3 ай бұрын

I don't understand why! If they offered it here I would buy one in a heartbeat

I'm gonna Google this soon but why is euro emissions so important. Are they outselling the US by that much that they need to give up US sales because of euro emissions

@smith8124

3 ай бұрын

Yes. The European sport bike market is much bigger than the US sport bike market.

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

Ask the oligarchs of Europe why it's so important than every billion dollar industry in the world pay taxes to them. Ask them.

Muy triste por la noticia que desaparezca la r1. A que apuntan las reglamentaciones. Es por la contaminacion o por favorecer a otra forma de combustible ?

Even owning an 890 is hard for me now

Big mistake

Put a 1000cc single cylinder in the new sport bike👌🏼😜

Glad 1000cc they are not all going away we want power thanks to Kawasaki and Honda.. thanks guys for the information

IRS is relentless and takes %50 of my income every month,,and if iam late i get threatening letters that my property will be seized if I don’t pay on time. Its absolutely disgusting the amount of taxes that are taken from hard working Americans on a daily basis. Vacation’s ? How when the same amount of money is due every month regardless if you make any income. IRS taxes are a form of stealing!!

@AJYZF1R2010

4 ай бұрын

It’s infuriating

They have gotten to expensive for the streets as a street bike

I bought a 2023 MT 10 and loving it. Don’t understand why people like them race style bikes on the street makes no sense. On the track makes total sense.

Government regulations and skyrocketing inflation/interest rates are killing them

The R1 and MT-10 are my favorite bikes.

I had an R6 in 02 or 04, it was an animal and it's still my favourite bike but I'm 46 now, have back problems and got told to get off sportsbikes because I was crushing a vertebrae in my neck, now I own a 2019 Ducati Multistrada Enduro, and this will probably be my last bike

Ok kase and Alex. What if they made a ev sport bike what are your thoughts. Absolutely phenomenal job brothers. You both have been doing outstanding. ❤ ya

@joekavalauskas8767

4 ай бұрын

Would be interesting, but I’d expect it to have a shorter range, more weight, and cost a lot more.

@robervin9107

4 ай бұрын

@@joekavalauskas8767. So like a hummer. Ev. But in bike form ya know. ?

@joekavalauskas8767

4 ай бұрын

There is one good contender, the Stark Varg, but that's a motocross/supermoto bike. And my qualifiers are still true.@@robervin9107

@Yamabrah_YZF

4 ай бұрын

No

They ruined it with the cross plane crank, the noise is hideous

Good info @tflbike

As far as the CBR 600RR there is no excuse why we aren’t getting it because if it passes euro specs it will pass here. Speaking of euro specs that has been killing sport bikes for awhile now. If you want a Japanese sport bike get them now because they are going away. While the market is okay with the “replacements” if you want a true sport bike they are not a replacement. European manufacturers aren’t abandoning sport bikes anytime soon so at least we’ll still have those to choose from. For whatever reason the European manufacturers don’t have the same problem as the Japanese manufacturers do.

meanwhile here i am with a 2022 RSV4 and s 2022 R7 60th anniversary edition LOL

To sum it up: the growing worthlessness of the currency and increase of emissions regulations are the main things driving everything. Personally I long for the days of 1100, 1200, 1300cc big torquey four-bangers in affordable naked street bikes, that don't need 1 million RPM to move.

Yamaha never said they were discontinuing the R1. You guys need to re read the press release and read it slowly. STOP GAS LIGHTING!

@jeffo2427

7 күн бұрын

They are discontinuing for street legal but will be sold for track only

More than likely emissions regulations will eliminate the big street bikes.

I welcome R9 with open arms❤

Thanks to the euro emissions (control !) regulations

Bikes are getting too expensive now. I'd pay 13K for a new model, I don't need all the technology to have fun, 120hp is enough

A 600cc bike was good for 160mph but not with a P twin , more like struggling to get 135

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

which is 36 mph higher than felony license revocation zone.

It’s still being produced and sold in the us so who cares

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

And less and less people buy them in the USA so who cares. I think it's just the presence of them and the knowledge that they exist that people are more interested in, than actual ownership. Look around the used market and look at the mileage on the odometers. People don't keep them or ride them very much. Same with 600 supersports.

hello R9

Yamaha and Suzuki are slowly dying. Nowhere in racing and don't even look to be trying anymore

@legendary_perfomance

4 ай бұрын

Suzuki is still big at the dragstrip that's about the only thing keeping going at this point

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

They are reducing their investment in HOMOLOGATION bikes. Both companies still make 1L superbikes. Oh, and when everyone thought Suzuki was dying off before the 8S/8R/V-Strom bike came out? Suzuki had a very profitable year selling Marine products and vehicles (just not in the USA market). What Japanese companies do outside the USA is more indicative of how the brands are doing corporately than anything else. Look at the bigger picture. Also with less millions tossed into MotoGP and other classes of racing, there is more money for development of motorcycles that will get a younger class back into riding for the long run. There are strategies that corporations make which have 20 year investments, not 2 or 3 years. Look at the bigger picture.

Big displacement and less unnecessary tech and lower prices. R1 with the R7 basics is the answer.

Yeah they killed the top end speed on the middle weight bikes by going to P twins

I wonder if that fantastic CP3 could be expanded to 1000cc? Add SP suspension, and lightest possible wheels with supersport stickies... lightweight subframe, solo saddle, adjustable rearsets... It could be a dream ride...just lose 30 lbs and gain 20 hp...

@SludgedB

2 ай бұрын

Have you looked at the specs?

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

It could. With 10's of millions of dollars invested. And then the problem of selling such a thing to the market and recouping all those costs, and looking 20-30 years out at what trends they believe to be relevant.....

Nooooo! Hi guys! You two know me well enough to know that expensive sport bikes and euro emissions is not just the problem in sales. This area of market and lack of sales is also due to a lack of skill! Yes, even the 600’s. Sport bike enjoyment is best experienced on the track these days! How much fun can a R1 have on the street anymore. That’s why I teach.

00s - Sports Bikes 10s - Naked Bikes 20s - Adventure Bikes

u seem to miss the point. They are taking the r1 off market because no one buys one. Emissions has very little to do with it. Ofcourse it can easily be made euro 5 compliant by just changing a few things in exhaust, valve timing etc. Honda just released a new fire blade, which is obviously an inline 4 cylinder too. The market has moved to adventure bikes and no new beginner are looking to track drive 200hp monsters. The economy is obviously a mess too and I can understand that struggling companies has to sell that which is in demand, not bikes which only caters to proffesional racers or people who has more balls than brains. I wonder how many Tenere Yamaha has sold in comparison Yamaha r1.

Bro wtf are the people that can afford these bikes going to do in the future?! I wanna keep buying sport bikes all these companies discontinuing everything.

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

"everything" Stop your crying.

@user-mz3fc5wj7v

Ай бұрын

@@exothermal.sprocketAiray feek

We will still get them in Australia 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻

The answer is...........buy a second hand bike. As if anyone here can get close to getting the most out of say, a 2008 R1 or the like. The amount of gadgets and 100 settings on new bikes is catering to people who don't know how to ride without music playing or navigation or any sense of being one with your machine. People see trees and can't see the forest.

@smith8124

3 ай бұрын

Mehhhhh, agree and disagree. I’m 39 and have been on two wheels since I was 7yo. I grew up racing motocross and had only ever ridden sport bikes that had no ABS or TC until my current bike, 2023 CB1000R Black Edition. I loved the days of insane 500cc 2 strokes, but when you’re talking 200+hp on a stock factory bike, no TC/ABS is a death sentence for 90% of the people that would buy them. I love the ability to switch it into track mode or turn TC all the way off for pushing hard, but it’s nice to have the nannies there when not going hard in the paint - unexpected coolant leaks from cars, gravel, etc

@smith8124

3 ай бұрын

I do totally agree about getting another bike. Liter sport bike is not the only thing that should be in your stable.

@MrFoxfire510

2 ай бұрын

If you can, buy brand new for the current liter bikes still being sold. If we keep their sales numbers up they will continue to sell them.

The r7 is a pos

I dont care, im a honda guy!

So used market it is…until those prices go sky high.

It’s all about the big dumb kwads now. Too much power, too much police presence for a full tilt sportbike. Plus I’m getting old. ADV is hot also- need a tenere 900 to compete with the 890 adventure R.

Superbe 🏍

Suzuki, Kawasaki and Honda are a better bike. Yamaha didn't want to deal with that. Good run though

@moton8tion866

4 ай бұрын

How exactly are they better?

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

MT line is selling like hotcakes. T7 is a big seller. In a time of shrinking new rider markets, Yamaha did something goofy and wild like a Niken 3-wheeler. Yamaha also develops engine technologies for many automotive segments. Yamaha also makes robotics. Yamaha also is a giant musical and electronic instrument maker. CBR1000RR was trailing eveyrthing until the unaffordable RR-R came out. CBR600RR is still about the least powerful of all the supersports. Honda naked bike class has nothing nearly as interesting as Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM, Ducati, Triumph, or MV. Honda quit making cool stuff like V4's, Vtwins, V5 back in the late 2000's.