Also keep in mind that the DX7 responds to a range of velocity from 0 to only 100. And the SY77 responds to the full standard range of velocity which is 0 to 127. This will greatly affect the sound especially with FM.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

Great input! Thank You!

@RayyMusik

Жыл бұрын

But in this case it seems to be a disadvantage of the SY. It mostly sounds dull and thin compared to the TX, which has a kind of natural compression. On the other hand, the SY sounds gorgeous in countless demos. Probably a conversion issue, indeed.

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

@@RayyMusik the SY’s are GREAT machines and should really be played as they are intended and let the OG dx7 do its own work ;)

Opcode Galaxy for the Mac had a wonderful and very accurate conversion of DX7 to SY77 patches. This was many years ago and it worked great.

THe reason why it's off is becasue the SY factory does a wrong conversion with the feedback loops The sy77 can sound almost sound identical to the dx7

i have an sy77, and if you can get hold of data sheets for the dx7 (like the old ones on magazines and stuff), you can program the same sound into the sy77 just by using a calculator to convert the values, since in some the dx7 has 100 and the sy77 has 64. i figured this out yesterday and have already translated the bass 1 preset and the strings too! sounds exactly like the dx7 with some tweaking, really minor tweaking, and you can set how the sound reacts to velocity to get around the 100 vs 127 velocity issue with conversions :) if anyone wants to know more about how to translate some sounds just comment and ill try to give some tips 🙌😄

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Now my SY77 is sold and i bought an SY99 instead but they have the same fm-engine so it would be nice to try tweaking some DX7 sounds. :)

@Zaccyonline

10 ай бұрын

Please do a video tutorial

@dare2win215

9 ай бұрын

Ooh, I'd love to have the Trumpets patch from the TX-802. I miss that patch so much from selling that unit for a TG-77 that i may never sell!

This is really interesting. I own a TG77 and FS1R, but I don't have a DX7 , so I can't compare myself. I know that a lot of FM synths and FM programs can read DX7 sysex files directly with no conversion, so they might do a better job. For example, it would be interesting to compare a DX7 and Dexed on these same sounds, since no conversion would be needed. A Montage or MODX will also read DX7 sysex.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

The DX7 and Dexed are pretty close. Closer than SY77 and DX7. IMHO.

You should do more videos; seem great at them...

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you and yes, there are more videos planned :) .. I quote Behringer "We're just warming up"

Tack för din video Martin! Jag har en DX7 II FD och en expanderad SY77:a (kort för att addera egna samplingar och ett special minneskort med 16 banker). Sy77/TG77är en underskattad synth som kan låta riktigt bra. Jag får prova att installera SY factory igen och prova konverteringen. Tyckte dock som du att det bara blev godkänt men inte perfekt. Mvh Skånepåg

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

Jag har precis skaffat en SY99 istället för SY77:an och som du säger; underskattade synthar! Konverteringen är inte perfekt men klassiska elpiano blir väldigt nära originalet. :)

The converter seems to produce a very good starting point for each patch to tweak by yourself until it sounds as one wants it to sound. The SY77 patches all sound less agressive and mellow. Maybe more feedback / resonance and more agressive envelopes would make them better?

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

I agree .. a great start to tweak the sounds.

A near perfect conversion is possible. If it is not sounding the same, then it is a matter of the software not converting everything correctly.

@WARDISWARD

Жыл бұрын

Exactly , sy factory converts the feedback loops wrong I exported plogue ops 7 (which is a near perfect dx7 emulator ) as sysex files , convered them with FM heaven and al feedback loops were wrong

i own a SY77 and its definitely the better one.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

I agree to a point. It depends on what want out of a keyboard/synth ;)

@ytpremium7649

Жыл бұрын

I own a DX7 and feel it’s the better one

@Swanlord05

Жыл бұрын

​@@ytpremium7649 nope

thes are two very different shoes. DX/TX 7 pure original great powerful FM!! But: SY-Series has so many many more sound options...

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

Of course. The SY77 is a FM beast but I think it was fun to do a test. I love them both and will keep them both.

Is there a comprehensive video or community that can help me add patches and stuff to my SY99? I want to add so many sounds to my SY99 but I cant find enough resources to help me understand what Im supposed to do.

@synthfellow

9 ай бұрын

If you got all the patches as sysex you need a usb to midi cable and a program like MIDIOX to send them to the SY99.

To me the SY sounds way too bright. The TX has a moody lofi character that makes it way more present and vibrant. Thanks for the comparison :)

@synthfellow

8 күн бұрын

Thank you for input. :)

Close, I use Dexed and a mk1 DX7 witch are closer. Nothing beats a mk1 for added dirt and grit ( and even warmth?) and i like the key bed better on it versus a DX7 2.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

Dexed is a SUPER nice software version of the DX7. :) I love it! Especially when layering two or three pianos with a slight detune

Hey Synth Fellow. Please help. You think it makes sense to change SY 77 to 99? I use 77 for AFM sounds. Now I have the opportunity to buy 99 in nice price 🙂

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late answer but my answer is buy it! I've got my hands on a SY99 and it's WONDERFUL. :)

Nearly bought a sy77 for $200 at a yard sale, but i was like 12 at the time and didn't know what it really was so i passed on it. looking back, kinds sucks now.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

It’s so easy to be wise afterwards :)

pretty poor conversion by that software. But even done by hand I still don't think the SY77 sounds like the DX7

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s great to be able to convert DX7 patches but the SY77 itself is a bigger beast and there are great patches out there made especially for it. I think I’ll keep the E.piano for layering and detuning with the TX7.

The differences are minor and just need a little editing to adjust. I have SY Manager for my SY77 and all of the parameters are easy to access and adjust. It's a great editor/librarian.

@christhedemocrat

Жыл бұрын

Where can I find the SY Manager program?

I've read that DXconvert/TXconvert will convert between all these synths. It's freeware, it runs in Python, donations are welcome.

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

Sounds great! 😀

i wish you had showed us how you used the program

@synthfellow

Жыл бұрын

I suppose I should have but that wasn’t the focus of the video. Hmm perhaps I should do a follow up on that?

@juvenoia3337

Жыл бұрын

@@synthfellow would love that!

i made an editor for the sy77 in max and added a feature that could convert dx7 sysex patches. i didn't have a dx7 to check if it was exact, but the results were definitely usable most of the time. i'd post the patch but it's a total mess, plus I sold my sy77 cus i'm an idiot.

@synthfellow

10 ай бұрын

I sold mine too in favour of a SY99

@mil3sperhour

13 күн бұрын

do you have any plans to release the sy77 editor? :O it would be really convenient to have something like that in live!

Yep The SY77 is More Fatter Sounding !!!

@synthfellow

3 ай бұрын

I agree ... I've sold the SY77 and got a SY99 instead ;)

Be careful, the app no longer runs under OSX Monterey. The developer does not respond to this issue ...

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that. I run all my stuff on Windows.

DX7 MK-I sounds best.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! If you want DX7 MK1 sounds ;) .... But the SY77 is a bigger FM-beast. I use my TX7 mostly as bass synth...

@gilwe

2 жыл бұрын

well... the best sounding FM synh is really the DX5/1, but the DX7-I is the closest you can get to it

Soundiver converts

They should have called the sy77 the dx77 ....it would have sold waaaay better

SY77 is a DX7 on steroids.

@synthfellow

2 ай бұрын

And also underrated;)

The patches won't sound the same, because the chipset is different in each one. The FM and FM2 engines are different. So, sorry to say, your comparison was not well founded.

@synthfellow

2 жыл бұрын

You´re absolutely right. I was just trying to demo the possibilities of converting the og DX7 patches into SY77 format wich is an often asked question wether it's possible or not. And as you say, the result is ... naahh... :)