what is 250W power like on a mid drive? I know on a hub drive it is not very much at all.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Blaine, it's plenty of power when used in conjunction with a cassette... the power delivery comes down to peak torque, because it can either help you climb and start or hit and maintain a higher top speed based on whatever gear you choose. Keep in mind that 250 watts is nominal and the peak out put is 500. Peak torque is 70Nm which is right in the middle of most mid-motors. The e-mountain specific motor from Bosch puts out 75Nm for comparison. One reason these companies stick to 250 watts nominal is that these mid-drive motors are very expensive to build and the primary market for electric bicycles has been Europe, where the regulation is set at 250. In many European nations, the top speed is also limited to 25km/h (roughly 15.5mph). I hope this feedback helps. You can see many eMTB tests with similar Yamaha motors from Haibike in the SDURO line from years past: electricbikereview.com/brand/haibike/

@blainebickle1178

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview thanks for the reply, I think I understand a little better now

@langhamp8912

5 жыл бұрын

I have a 500W middrive, and I think it's inappropriate fast because it easily exceeds 25 mph. It's more moped territory than assisted bicycle.

@igot5onit423

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview you should review the stealth electric p7r and the new fighter electric bike.

Court you're the best at what you do whether you talk fast,slow,or in between.

Thanks Court for stopping by I definitely think this review was informative I also feel privileged that Yamaha picked us as one of its retail dealers I remember as a kid in 1975 my dad purchased me a Yamaha bicycle I think it was called the Yamaha Moto bike a couple years later when we moved to Coachella valley he got me a YZ 80 my first Motorcycle was a Yamaha fast forward a couple years later And he and I rode a DT 250 all the way from Oceanside to the desert we nickname that bike the Ironhorse I put thousands of miles on it and went through about three motors and a few toppings that bike instilled in me wanderlust. Some of the motorcycles from Yamaha that I have owned personally over the years were the RD350, TDM850, YSR80 from Canada, and a V-Max, I currently have three Yamaha’s in my garage a T-MAX, RX50 and a DT50lc needless to say I like Yamaha I currently have Harley‘s, Honda’s a Montessa Triumph, bultaco’s and a Suzuki also in my garage I think I have a problem.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

It's always awesome filming with you Sam! I got help on the editing for this one and didn't get the overlay... sorry, but still glad we got to film together and look forward to the next visit!

@howardfowler2255

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Sam,looks you got bit by the bike bug,big time! You and Court make a dynamic duo. Enjoy your input in these reviews!

@teammxm

5 жыл бұрын

ElectricBikeReview.com it’s all good and you guys always make me look good sometimes I can Go off on a tear I you need to real me back in thanks again Court looking forward to Sea Otter

@osar7664

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Sam -- you looked pretty cramped on that bike even though it is the largest size. Can I ask how tall you are? I'm trying to figure out if the Cross Core is just too small for me even in a Large. Thanks!

Bought this one. Spend 400 miles in 1 month. I would say so many weird nose as I pedal but nothing is broken yet. Love the smoothness of the motor. Also even without the motor, it is a nice bike that is really good to bike around. I change the tire to continental gp 5000 and the pedal to shimano pd clipless. I maintain my cadence at 90rpm. The whole eco battery last for 100 miles.

Thank for the terrific review. I'm 5'10" with a 30 inch inseam. Would the medium fit work for me, or large? You did say the frames are smaller than typical in the US

Sam's point is really important to me, I'm so glad he brought it up. I would hate for assist to top me out! Supplement my power, that's _all_. Extra happy it's on such a nice quiet, smooth motor/control system! Hoping for a little more Townie upright &/or Vektron commuter focus, CVT/belt, etc., but already very promising.

Nice for the price point, thanks for the review.

Hello there, I just purchased haibike sduro for my wife with pw-se motor (2019). I own a cube with bosch active line plus. My bike has only 50 Nm vs. 70 Nm of Yamaha. You can simply tell the difference BUT yamaha is so much louder! It's even annoying. My wife had a first time ride with ebike ever and of course she liked it a lot but she also claimed about the noise. For those living on a relative flat area i would recommend bosch active line plus because you can bearly hear it and once you are going through the woods it's really a pleasure! Unfortunately there were only 29ers with this bosch engine and my wife definately needs 27.5" because she's small. That's my first impression about it. Have fun Piotr

Sounds like you traded the trains for airplanes. lol!! Thanks for your informative and enjoyable videos!

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Lol, keepin' it real out here ;)

Nice looking bike, good honest review once again :) I have a Giant Road E+1 Pro with the Yamaha syncdrive pro motor and I can't fault it, lots of torque and very quiet! Been a long time since you reviewed a Giant road bike (or any Giant) Court, I hope that will happen soon ;)

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Rab! Thanks for chiming in, I was recently put in touch with Giant and am working to setup some reviews later this year. Hoping it all comes together, their products have been a leader in terms of battery design and integration. Thanks for the shout out as far as your Road E+1!

@rabh6746

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview Awesome, thanks Court! I hope it comes together, your hard work is all very much appreciated :)

Yamaha needs to come out with an XL frame size. L is just too small for a lot of people.

Could you please do a review of the 2022 Yamaha Cross Core RC and 2022 Wabash RT. I purchased a Cross Core RC in August 2022 and love it after 1,100 miles. Thanks Dave and Sam. Randy

2,400 without mudguards, lights, rack etc. But you're praising the aluminum headlight? It uses Its own motor, so costs should be low.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I feel like these are two separate points. I praise whatever stands out as being high quality, unique, or well-designed. The price could probably be lower, but I think they might not want to cannibalize the other companies that use their drive system (Haibike, Giant), and maybe leave extra margin for dealers to thrive? It is kind of a name brand product, perhaps we'll see prices drop more in 2020.

I have a Haibike Sduro 1.0 lowest entry bike from haibike but it still really great experience, i added Tule rear rack, bag and panniers plus locking ego grips plus usb rechargeable front and rear lights. It's a great bke, goes up any hill with ease.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Glad it's holding up well for you. Which Thule rack did you buy?

@cresshead

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview the one you features in a video of the ride across america on e bikes...good enough for that...good enough for me! great channel! oh...just to confirm my haibike sduro 1.0 has a Yamaha motor for those who may not know.

Yamaha is an amazing company. One of my favourite companies. I owned two Yamaha motorcycles: Virago 920 and Seca 650 Turbo. Japanese manufacturing is very reliable.....unlike Chinese products. I tried all the acoustic guitars in the store and the one that sounded the best was a Yamaha. They make solid, high quality, well designed products.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

I like Yamaha too, exciting to see them innovating on their own drive systems and bringing some new products to market in the US!

@skcyclist

2 жыл бұрын

You just reminded me. My first motorcycle was a 1969 Yamaha Enduro gold. I saw it out of the corner of my eye, drove back and bought it on the spot for about $500. It was almost brand-new. I wrote it every day for two or three weeks before I got a little tired of it. Couldn't wait to get home it was kind of like the first girlfriend haha

Yamaha makes quality stuff. Their motorcycles are the highest rated in the world.

Nice review! Offtopic question: Which sunglasses do you wear? 👌

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Those are Electric Technician sunglasses... I got them when I was in 7th grade, about 20 years ago. I think the company went out of business but I was able to find a second replacement pair on eBay a while back and bought as a backup because I love em :D maybe you can find some too if you keep an eye out!

When I see the thumbnail and the bike pictured isn't a Step-Thru, I get excited. You've been a role Court, keep em coming. Yamaha keeps it simple and lets the customer add whatever they want. No front suspension, good, i keep mine locked out most of the time anyway. No rack and fenders, good, I will take my other bike if theres a chance of rain. Its an Ebike, i almost never ride in the rain. Narrow tires, good, I dont need 2+" size tires, I want efficiency and I dont need the "comfort" benefit. This bike in stock form is PERFECT and priced right.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great fit for you! Thanks for the encouragement... would you believe that I've got 20 more reviews filmed and just waiting to be edited and written up?! I've been getting a lot done with some extra team help recently (editing support). About to fly to DC for eight more bikes on Sunday. Very exciting year :D

The straight steering tube of the rigid fork is a not a "con." In fact, it is actually more difficult to find a tapered steerer 700C suspension fork than one with a straight steering tube. I know because my own bike has a tapered steerer and I have found that there are almost no 700C suspension forks with a tapered steerer. The 29er forks are not really an option because they have to much travel compared to 700C "trekking bike" suspension forks.

Got this Ebike back in June. 2400$ in the US. I changed the tire to Continental GP 5000, and I changed the pedal to Shimano PD m324. I have ridden this bike for 1100 miles. Overall I am really satisfied. it is not the best designed, not the fastest and not the cheapest. However, this bike wins my heart for the overall e-bike. 500wh battery is the largest in this group. Yamaha ebike motor is so far much better than Bosch (Mainly because of how Bosch motor cutoff their power after reaching the speed limit. Yamaha does it smoothly). I have not seen the faulty of the Yamaha ebike engine. Shimano sora does its job in the groupset. The weight is 19kg. One downside of this bike is it has a lot of weird sounds. Mostly that I have is clanking sound when pedaling. I have no idea where does it come from. However, if I put on my headphone, I don't hear any sound at all! I just continue to bike and I haven't had any problem. If I feel strong, I usually turn off the motor and ride it as a normal bike. It is quite a good bike. I don't like the disc brake but it is personal. I believe a bicycle does not need a disc brake. Unless you are a pro who race in the rain or a real MTB, you don't need a disc brake.

@skcyclist

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with you. Disc brakes are ridiculous fad on road bikes especially. Give me caliper brakes any day.

@DominiqueB

Жыл бұрын

@@skcyclist i live in the pacific northwest in the US, that gets pretty wet for a good portion of the year. Plus, i often ride on gravel paths. That combination of wet and dust eats my rim brake pads (and the rims) at an incredible rate. And braking on wet rims can get sketchy, have to remember to apply the brakes for a bit after splashing through puddles, and always plan for a bit of lag when starting to brake before the rim dries off after a couple revolutions. So, no, disk brakes are not only for pros or for MTB, they are very much a real world solution for a decent portion of the everyday riding population. And this coming from a guy who mostly owns lovely classic bikes with top of the line rim brakes with Kool-Stop Salmon pads, on aluminum rims. :-)

My bike in a large dark olive green. Dress for the ride Court. 😃 So looking forward to seeing Sam.

Nice review, well done. “Gooseneck” though, really?

Hi, do you know if the rims is tubeless-ready?

Hi Court. I purchased this bike and the frame stiffness is killing me! Can you suggest a seat suspension please?. I am 215 lbs and am looking at the Suntour, Cane Creek, and Kinekt sytems. Redshifts Sports also has introduced one as well. Opinions on these vary all over the place!

@skcyclist

2 жыл бұрын

This is good news for me, I like a stiff frame.

I bought this one, it is great

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Sweet!! Thanks for chiming in, feel free to post updates if you learn anything or have issues or just want to sound off as you use it more. Thanks Wumiti (interesting name there?)

You get away from the trains and you run headlong into sirens and helicopters. Just can't win. Great review though. These Yamaha bikes are really slick. I've been a huge fan of the Yamaha mid drives since the 90's. Btw, are you going to review the new Haibike SDURO trekking models? They look really nice.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, it's always an adventure out there... Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the encouragement Kirk ;) as for Haibike, yeah, I'm in touch with them and hoping/planning to do some more work later this year (in a month or so?) but got some Specialized coming up, bunch more BULLS, possibly Giant, Blix, lots of stuff in the works!

@kldstl

5 жыл бұрын

Awsome. Keep up the good work.

What is the name of Sam's shop and where is it located?

does battery get charged while paddling or down hill?

Nice review, please review Urban Rush as well!

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

I hear ya! Thanks for the request :D

@vmxd

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview thank you!

Can I ride this on gravel and light trails?

These bikes definitely run small. Look how Sam is 'reaching' for the handlebars; you can see it's a poor fit for him. He sells them so he's trying to put a good 'spin' on the bike but if you're over 6 feet tall look elsewhere.

Does anyone know if the Yamaha line of ebikes will be available in Canada?

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ron! I'm not sure, but I suppose there might be US dealers who would ship to Canada, try the Electric Cyclery from Southern California. Kevin is the owner and I think they carry Yamaha :) if anyone knows of Canadian Yamaha dealers, feel free to chime in!!

Where is Sam’s store located ?

does the Groupset replaceable?

wow, that's a really nice e-bike!!

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Agree! I like how lightweight it is. Hoping to do some more Yamaha coverage later this year. Keep an eye out :D

@bobnieves8967

5 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricBikeReview I'm looking to purchase e-bike like that later on, thanks for the video.

9:00 the charger is so big because it is built to last?

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hmm, maybe? I think the Bosch charger is also very reliable, but it weighs less, is smaller, and has a nicer plug design in my opinion. Each product has some trade-offs. The big charger isn't the end of the world, I just see it as an area where Yamaha isn't as competitive as some of the other players in the space right now :)

This is a good design.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Agree, it's a nice looking ebike, I like that it comes in two color schemes ;)

Buyer beware! Stay far away from Yamaha CrossCore. Mine has had nothing but issues since day 1. Worst has been awful creaking coming from frame/motor area that no shop has been able to fix. Takes all the joy out of riding this $2400.00 lemon. Not a single Yamaha dealer in the entire state of Virginia..............

@skcyclist

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info some other person reported noise. I don't like a bike to make creaking noises

The keys are called Dimple keys..... You speak fine! Let the Frenchman improve his English or watch the video twice if he has trouble understanding it. I heard Harley Davidson is coming out with an electric bicycle soon. I think it makes the industry much more interesting with motorcycle manufacturers selling electric bicycles and components/parts. I almost bought the Giant electric bicycle powered by Yamaha, but couldn't find one locally and Giant never bothered getting back to me to help find the right size, so I built my own mid-drive. I will probably buy a Yamaha or Harley electric bicycle in the future.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Nice, I'll keep an eye out for the Harley ebike. Got a brief look at their electric motorcycle during E3 recently and that was cool. Thanks for the tip about "dimple keys" that's a name that makes sense right there ;)

3:56 tuck the bottom of the trousers into the socks ! EVERYONE in the UK does that....

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Hmm, that's a good tip. Thanks :D

None of the yamaha’s have throttle assist. Is that because they have a mid drive motor ?

@JusGarc1981

4 жыл бұрын

That's correct

@krazzysu

3 жыл бұрын

Yamahas*

Straighte front wheel forks, If you try to bend them, They will break, Curved forks have been heat tempered, And do not break. Nor will the wheel lugs, Straight forks, An other Boeing 737 8&9. Thought's of a, Machinist Tool-Maker.

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input, Jack

@trekkeruss

5 жыл бұрын

Straight fork blades have been used for decades, and are found on thousands of bicycles. They do not bend, not do they break, unless of course you (un)intentionally damage them.

@krazzysu

3 жыл бұрын

Thoughts*

No More War

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

I'm on board with that :)

I’m about to buy the wabash

bars seem low

so this e bike has no throttle just pedal assist

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Quadruple thumbs up XD thanks, Minnie

North America includes Mexico amigo

Yamaha is the same conglomerate as Toyota probably why they make wood panels for Lexus

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting, do you have a source for this? I had never thought of them as being associated. Maybe they're just so big that they work together? Like how Yamaha works with Haibike and Giant on ebikes, but still separate companies?

Helicopter needs to ajust his roter pitch his bladder are slapping the air it is humid there formerly aircaverly veteran tat is why the helicopter was so loud as a train...

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Wow, very interesting... thanks for the technical insights, Douglas ;)

Was he serious about not knowing Yamaha sold music instruments??? Man, now I do not trust any sales guy with his glasses on all the time. Selling Yamaha bikes and not knowing anything about the company. That is a shame.

The bike is too small for that person he needs to be on a bigger bike as his arms and legs are very squash in and this is not good for riding.

just talk...I think bla bla..Why not full test and tell us PRO and CON in quick time.

ليك

cheap rear mech no fenders no racks which dont cost a lot of money nice looking bike but not worth 2.4k.

Hello

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

Howdy!

Looks like a child's bike.

Oh no, I'm in booshy bike nerd land.... Paying more for less and pretending it's better.

First one coment

@ElectricBikeReview

5 жыл бұрын

You got it, thanks for saying hi Isam :D