Thank you for this wonderful talk! It is very enlightening -- great compliment to his book, "The Bible Among The Myths." It is lectures like that that makes Seedbed a valuable website.

Helps in discussing with those who claim that Yahweh is merely invented in the image of man. Sure, that's so for the pagan gods, but Yahweh is nothing like us in his transcendence and being creator.

A powerful presentation. God bless you.

This is an excellent description of God vs gods, thank you!

Excellent video articulating the fundamental difference between the Old Testament and the myths. This basic argument is fleshed out a bit in "The Bible Among The Myths" by John Oswalt, though it's a short book, which I read for an OT intro class in seminary. Oswalt frames the difference as continuity thought vs. transcendence. Although the distinction between the pagan gods and Yahweh seems obvious, I never realized how strong this argument could be.

@frisb.7948

9 жыл бұрын

Sir, what about Plato's God? Wasn't he transcendent?

@ChipKempston

9 жыл бұрын

DeeB Nah I don't think it's entirely accurate to speak of Plato's "God." Plato seems to me to have been pretty fuzzy on his conceptions of the divine and transcendent, and he commonly made reference to the "gods" (i.e. the Greek gods, who were not transcendent, but just really powerful, and less-than-perfect beings), but it's highly doubtful he believed in the popular religion of the day (as most subsequent "philosophers" probably did not) and was just using these examples to explain various social and religious constructs, and not giving an explanation of his actual worldview. He also advanced a theory of "forms" where concepts like "good" existed independently of any god or gods, which is incompatible with Christian theism. Plato's doubt of the coherence of the gods as the highest order is found in the Euthyphro dilemma, where he asks if what is good is that way because the gods say it is, or if it is good independent of what the gods feel or think.

@frisb.7948

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your response. Yet, in Plato's "Laws", Plato explicitly argues that spirit/"monad" precedes the physical thereby presenting a God that is transcendent, just as in the Abrahamic religions. This would seem to refute Dr. Oswalt's claim.

@ChipKempston

9 жыл бұрын

DeeB Nah Not quite. First, Oswalt is comparing Israel's religion to its contemporaries in the Ancient Near East. Plato misses that boat temporally and geographically. Second..."explicitly?" To where in Laws, precisely, are you referring? I believe you are arguing anachronistically, as well as overstating the case Plato makes throughout his writings. There is no simple and clear-cut conception of god in Plato, and he most frequently speaks of "the gods," but he does raise many questions, approximations, and doubts. Had you been talking about Aristotle, I might be more inclined to agree with you, at least with regard to the transcendent "first cause." But either way, neither of these philosophers is contemporary to Israel's religious foundation.

@sackclothandashes1342

8 жыл бұрын

+DeeB Nah Plato wrote in 380 BC, so he does not predate many of the books of the OT. Also, you should read the Timeaus. You will notice, perhaps, the same thing Justin Martyr wrote about in his Dialouge With Trypho. He claims that Plato ripped off the OT's creation account and you will see how Plato makes claims such as man being formed from dirt. So I don't think Plato's writtings hold any bearing on what is being said here.

IMHO this is one of the best theologians I have ever encountered!

Excellent explanation 👏

THANK YOU 🙏🏾

What do you think of the idea that several of the ten commandments were seemingly taken directly from the Egytian "Book of the Dead?

@yeehaw6267

5 жыл бұрын

Sean Hammer I think it illustrates the Biblical concept of God writing His law on the hearts of men, and the concept that God has given all of us a spiritual body, a supernatural being directly created by Him, meaning we all have some knowledge of things from God

@seanhammer6296

3 жыл бұрын

@@yeehaw6267 I didn't see your reply until just now, sorry. I used to think that too but it's not the case. Turns out there's nothing original in the Bible.

@seanhammer6296

3 жыл бұрын

@John Wright Yahweh is a literary conflation of the Sumerian gods Enki and Enlil, maybe the Babylonian Marduk as well. Enki was later called Ea from which Yah is derived. He was also the serpent in the garden. The Bible is probably the greatest cultural appropriation ever pulled off and all of these Abrahamic religions are nothing more than gaslighting and mind control.

@seanhammer6296

2 жыл бұрын

@@bwtilesetter7776 I've gained a lot since I posted this 3 years ago. It all stems from the Sumerian pantheon I think is what you're saying, and I agree. However, this is all mythology and literature. There is no "our Father Adam." Science rsDily disproves that. We all did not come from two people, an utterly ridiculous notion. This world is in a mess because of the delusion caused by the Abrahamic religions. It's time for the world to ditch these ridiculous Bronze Age mythologies.

@seanhammer6296

2 жыл бұрын

@@bwtilesetter7776 Father? There is no "Father." smh

Love this,keep it up

Awesome.

It's not coercion of the god, it's sacrifice and duty.

AMEN! I have to say that was one of the best breakdowns I've ever heard!

amen, all praise the volcano

this is a very good and short presentation regarding a deep subject. apparently some commenting here have missed the overall point which i believe you have conveyed quite well, that YHWH is definitely not like the gods of this present world. we are now seeing more and more individuals take more seriously their calling to the truth of YHWH as the world's kingdoms time draws short. Godbless your evangelistic outreach John! 8-)

@dagwould

9 ай бұрын

"kingdoms time draws short' but only for dispensationalists!

interesting talk but i wish you went into more detail on how el elyon and yahweh were seen as different gods and yahweh being worshipped as a canaanite war god and monotheism didnt come from israel first it came from the religion zoroaster which was the persian empires religion, Jews went monotheistic as a nation when the ersians freed them from babylon and even the story of babylon and god switching the languages isnt actually true cause there were many different cultures and languages already at ht time, even stories between the sumerians and jews are paralel i have reasons to believe the jews became monotheistic during the time of the babylonian exile around 600 - 500 bc even the canaanites and babylonians share similar stories and its because around 3000bc indo europeans started spreading to many different areas of the world and having influence on the stories in the middle east thats why the story of baal killing yam the god of the sea and using his body to form the earth comes from the story of marduk splitting the body in half of the goddess of the sea tiamet which is also why in the bible you see stories of yahweh opening the sea and killing a sea serpent it all goes back to the indo europeans stories where mannus kills yemo and creates the world from his body, even in greek and roman myths where zeus kills typhon or romulus kills his brother remus its all due indo europeans even the adam and eve stories are in other cultures

Yahweh is the beast.

@fastingislife3766

2 жыл бұрын

So is el, Allah, jehovah, god, Jesus,

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

@@fastingislife3766 How is Jesus the beast? Jesus did not murder any one. Hosea 13 16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

@fastingislife3766

2 жыл бұрын

@@jahlion7078 who gave you the name Jesus? Jesus has nothing to do with the messiah. That’s the Antichrist

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

@@fastingislife3766 The Prophets and Apostles never wrote YHWH, YHVH, YHUH, Yah, Yahweh, Yahshua, Yeshua, Jehovah or any version of these words. They only wrote IESUE and Iesous. In the New Testament, they wrote Iesous. But the first letter which looks to us as an capital I was called the Jot. It was pronounced with the J sound whenever followed by an vowel such as E. Thus we have Jesous, which we pronounce as Jesus. Thus, the Apostles wrote Jesus but was spelled Iesous. It is still Jesus. People claim they wrote Yeshua or Yahushua or some other y name. That's a direct lie. There is absolutely no proof they wrote any y name. There is only proof that they wrote Iesous. It does not matter what Strong's Concordance claims that Iesous comes from. It doesn't matter where it comes from. It only matters that they actually wrote IESOUS which is sure and pronounced Jesus which is also sure! Any claim that it comes from a y name is false. The y names are Assyrian Aramaic. There is no connection between Assyrian Aramaic and Greek. Therefore it is impossible that IESOUS come from any Y name.

@fastingislife3766

2 жыл бұрын

@@jahlion7078 iesus is Grecian

This is some what concerning. This video does an excellent job of explaining and Evangelical Christian understanding of divinity. However it's depiction of a polytheistic worldview is somewhat inaccurate. And it says nothing of the religions out if the East.

Thank you for this explanation. However, I still wonder how GOD can be totally separate from his own creation. If there is no other power or creature besides him, then anything he creates, in a way, comes out of him, and therefore is a part of him. Sorry, but I still struggle with this problem. I would appreciate your comments on this rather complicated issue. Thank you!

@jeffgoble4761

2 жыл бұрын

This guy has his facts off most likely, because the Hebrew word "Elohim" in the Bible is actually a plural word, meaning more than one creator. Read up on elohim, you'll find source material for Biblical stories was actually from the Sumerian cuneiform tablets discovered in 1843. Therefore the 66 books compiled by a politician and his friends, King James, was really a way to nationalize and legalize Christianity in English, to subjugate and control the Christian movement, so "heretical" texts wouldn't be spread. They didn't want people finding out what the Sumerians knew: Yahweh aka Enlil was an evil bastard that tried to kill us (after creating us via genetic experiments, which involved failures, i.e. the Nephilim and Bigfoot races, who were a giant hybrid race spoken of in the Bible. Enki literally saved us. Read about it. Be honest about the source of your holy books. Don't believe your pastor. Look it all up. Lies run very deep into centuries of history. "God" is not a bearded entity in the sky who's giving us a Pass/Fail. Live fearlessly and confidently, knowing that God is actually the spark within you, the I AM mentioned in Exodus 3:14, we're sparks of the infinite creative source of everything. Yahweh is but an infinitesimal speck of energy in the grand expanse of creation. Yes he may have created homo sapiens, but we're more than these meat suits we've incarnated into, we've incarnated here to move energy and bear witness to infinite light.

@fastingislife3766

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgoble4761 all names of the fallen ones. Canaanite deities 👀🤣

@doriesse824

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgoble4761 I agree but am confused with one point you make. The I AM was not the spark inside Moses, unless you are giving this a metaphysical understanding. And Yahweh/ Enki didn't 'create' homo sapiens, he genetically engineered us. We're hybrids.

@tylerhamme1009

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgoble4761 You can't explain the Jews or the nation of Israel without the events of the Bible. There are indeed certain similarities or things shared from the Sumarian story, but they're not the same. Marduke was indeed worshipped by caanan, fallen Israel and others, but what did marduke require..?? Child sacrifice. The Sumarian god's are not the same as the biblical story.

@fastingislife3766

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerhamme1009 👀🤣😂😂 did the Israelites not sacrifice their children? 👀

Please explain this ? GOD said let US Gen. 1 Verses 26 to 31 [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This guy gives me freemason vibes

Half of this video is this dude smiling after saying something that is on the edge of making sense

Im not following. I maybe a little slow so forgive me. Are you implying that all gods except Allah, and Yahweh are not dependable and are only concepts of men and our "for lack of better words" ideas or are you also including those abrahamic gods into your primice? If you are excluding the abrahimac gods than how are they reliable in any sense of the word

@DAOni-pg1cx

4 жыл бұрын

They aren't reliable, but you better believe they are. These people think so.

Ok, I am confused. Soooo.... God is not Sun, Moon, Weather etc.... Yet all other gods or deities are a gooder and badder or larger interpretation of our human selves but yet we are created in God's image which then would imply that God itself is a gooder and badder and larger interpretation of our human selves.

God of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is the advance being Enlil found in Sumerian History.

@otherworld11

2 жыл бұрын

not really - Jesus is alive.

@jeffgoble4761

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo. Yahweh = Enlil. Enki is really the one who has been the biggest benefactor of homo sapiens. Time for a little connection of dots. Time to contemplate. Enlil/Yahweh has used his minions in government and seats of power to divide, conquer and destroy. We have imbued divinity, so we can reverse this trend once we recognize our true source.

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgoble4761 Enki was Enlil's half brother and was also a Master geneticist.

@doriesse824

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgoble4761 The channel named Two Old Dudes Production teaches Enki was Yahweh and Enlil was El. See what you think, and if you can prove them wrong.

Says you

6:29 only wise men such as I can see that he completely contradicted himself on what was said prior... He called God "His" 🤦🏾‍♂️

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

perhaps in all your wisdom you didn't get the fact that the relationship we believers have with YHWH is personal and individual.

This guy really doesn’t understand the ancient polytheistic religions...Different pagan cultures expressed their idea of divinity in various ways,... Also transcendence is not limited to polytheism

@MicahBuzanANIMATION

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah he is extremely ignorant and biased. The irony is he thinks his religion is "unique and the best", just like every other religion claims to be!

@carmeladicen5157

3 жыл бұрын

all religions are false... except my religion! 🙄

There is no one God but only one consciousness

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

yet, by the looks of things of this world, there isn't even consciousness when considering the folly of gender & "race" confusion.

Dr. Oswalt, I feel that you haven't done justice to the topic, "Yahweh and the Ancient Gods". You spent only less than a minute indicating that Baal was also referred as Rider in the clouds. Wished you had spent the majority of your time on that point. Perhaps a good filler is John Day's "Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan ".

What he's saying would make a lot of sense if only i knew next to nothing about pagan gods. And didn't Yahwehism originate from the cult of Baal?

6:09 God is not sexed HE is not male HE is not female. Yea right. And he uses the masculine pronoun on God HE. Rather be IT then if it's neutral and genderless like the wind and the Spirit.

God is a German word pertaining to Odin, so what has that got to with YHWH?

Yahweh is the Chief Archon of the simulation creation,,

@GRIDKEEPER

5 жыл бұрын

Bob Piddington Chaos God The Tetragrammaton, only when this bitch is dead will humanity ever stand a chance.

@sylviaacquah39

4 жыл бұрын

Please elaborate more on this. I know the archons are the greatest negative influencers in our reality. Is yhwh part of them?

@gxnsbxrg

3 жыл бұрын

Demiurge

@EnkiNingishzidda

2 жыл бұрын

Yaldabaoth is Yahweh is ENLIL. Look up Matthew Lacroix.

@takima504

2 жыл бұрын

@@GRIDKEEPER fight the good fight.

The sons of god saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and comely and took wives for themselves. And the women bore them giants. And there was a war in heaven, the dragon and his angels fought Michael and his angels. Lucifer rebelled against God and was cast to earth. Great unity. God destroyed with flood because of a mistake of his own angels, the fallen. So much for your unity speech.

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

that's the "price" of free will. thankfully, YHWH grants free will to His sentient creations. yet, such is why this world is fully corrupt for a short time. 8-)

Yet you contradict yourself by referring to Yahweh as “He”. 🧐

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

Ah good point. Why does YHWH murder people and say "he" is all love? Hosea 13 16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

Where did they get it??? From other religions, Duh!

Really?? So the "other" gods have no single standard of ethics huh? So the god of the bible didnt have destructive ethics in the old testament and then changed his mind and wanted peace in the new testament?? Oh and they aren't reliable but Yahweh is?? Please tell the Jews from the first and second revolts that.. oh and the holocaust

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

​@John WrightThe Prophets and Apostles never wrote YHWH, YHVH, YHUH, Yah, Yahweh, Yahshua, Yeshua, Jehovah or any version of these words. They only wrote IESUE and Iesous. In the New Testament, they wrote Iesous. But the first letter which looks to us as an capital I was called the Jot. It was pronounced with the J sound whenever followed by an vowel such as E. Thus we have Jesous, which we pronounce as Jesus. Thus, the Apostles wrote Jesus but was spelled Iesous. It is still Jesus. People claim they wrote Yeshua or Yahushua or some other y name. That's a direct lie. There is absolutely no proof they wrote any y name. There is only proof that they wrote Iesous. It does not matter what Strong's Concordance claims that Iesous comes from. It doesn't matter where it comes from. It only matters that they actually wrote IESOUS which is sure and pronounced Jesus which is also sure! Any claim that it comes from a y name is false. The y names are Assyrian Aramaic. There is no connection between Assyrian Aramaic and Greek. Therefore it is impossible that IESOUS come from any Y name.

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

YHWH's standard of law never changed. consider that it wasn't YHWH who persecuted the "Jews" in the holocaust - Hitler and his band of Nazis did. YHWH granted His sentient beings free will. thus, the horrors that you cite are all resultant of various actions of humans, not YHWH. 8-)

Hosea 13 Yah describes himself.. Revelation 13 Yeshua describes the beast.. O dear it seems our adversary has fooled the world.

Your Bible is based on the stores of the ancient elohim every bit of it

If HE doesn't have a sex why do you keep calling him a him?

SO CAN ANYONE ANSWER WHY YHWH MURDERS PEOPLE IF HE IS ALL LOVE? Hosea 13 16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

killing isn't necessarily murder. when someone kills in self defense to save the life of another, it IS an act of love. also, YHWH has the power over life & death, and will raising people up in their appointed resurrection. 8-)

There is only one God.

Generalising thousands of cultures' ancient gods and then saying "there is no single standard of ethics" is a laughably poor argument. It's like saying birds are vile creatures because they can't even seem to agree on what constitutes wings or beaks.

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

yet, the fact remains that even those who elect to not follow YHWH can't even understand the basic science of biology, seeing as by and large many unbelievers cannot even seem to agree upon what constitutes the male from the female gender. heck, many among those of this world and its religions have even forgotten that we're all ONE "race/species". so beyond there being little to no "standard of ethics", there is no longer even a standard of honesty & truth. so much for the world's "gods".

I agreed that YAhWEH is one true God and Yahweh is not of this world. I also believe religions including “Islamic, Roman Catholic, Buddhism and Christianity” is all controlled by the gods of this world. That’s why I don’t call myself religious or Christian. I just call myself a “Believer of The Most High, Yahweh”.

@ixisinvestigator6009

Жыл бұрын

i just call myself brainwashed by yahawah the devil in disguise ! i just love it when he force the nation of israel to kill everyone and make the other nations cannibals ! all praise to yahawah the beast ! for he is very jealous and love to stone disobediance !

@a3skiba

Жыл бұрын

noun: religion the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. The world's not flat either, don't buy it

@truthbebold4009

Жыл бұрын

But do you know Jesus as your personal Savior? That's the crux of the matter.

@LifeJourney-qp2bc

Жыл бұрын

Well You are in for a big surprise Yaweh is actually Satan

You're supposed God was male and had a son and sacrificed him for nothing there is still ruin and suffer in the world

El is Yahweh's Father. He gave Jacob (Isreal) his portion. Read Deuteronomy

@jasoncarrera8441

2 жыл бұрын

Not in the slightest. El is first found is Ugarit. As the chief god. Similar to Marduk in Babylon. Yahweh would be the creator in Israeli thought. Unlike the other mentioned gods Yahweh does not share His glory or is in need of being cared for. In Babylon and Ugarit El and Marduk have to be fed in Israel GOD gives the offering to the priest and levites because he has no need for it. The concepts and persons are not even close

@samuelolah3107

Жыл бұрын

But you ignore other verses of the Bible in which Yahweh states there is none besides Him. Do not read verses in isolation. And you misread those verses.

@jasoncarrera8441

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelolah3107 the thing is what he’s claiming is no where to be found in the Bible he just made a claim that is never mentioned in Deuteronomy. Even in an isolated passage.

@samuelolah3107

Жыл бұрын

@@jasoncarrera8441 I think there is a part in the Bible where in a verse it is stated that the Most High divided the nations and then the next verse says Israel is Yahweh's portion. He thinks Most High and Yahweh are two different entities. He doesn't know that Yahweh is used in a particular or more personal context . Most High is used in a different context. Their proximity is confusing him as it has done to a lot of people, even scholars.

@jasoncarrera8441

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelolah3107 I always took that as God dividing the nations to other gods and God taking Israel as His portion. Because the most high is YHWH and every Israelite would of known that when reading or hearing this pasage

So profound. Anybody that believes Christianity is just like any other religion clearly has never done their homework.

@MicahBuzanANIMATION

4 жыл бұрын

Christianity is an umbrella term for thousands of denominations that all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible. The tribalism and reliance on blind faith is found in all the religions humans have come up with. Your religion is largely due to the location and religion of your family/culture.

@busfeet2080

4 жыл бұрын

Micah Buzan dude... you like blew my mind bro... bro... I never thought of that before... dude... do u watch rick and morty?

@buffsoldierofchrist5907

3 жыл бұрын

Micah Buzan I think your mom and dad dropped you as a baby

Where do you derive the word "God" from, Sir ? A man made word. One replaced by man from the ELOHIM which literally translated means (mighty one[s])...taken from the Torah itself. I would rather rely truth on records dating thousands of years than your manipulated, re-edited King James...unless, that is, the writers of a ten thousand year old clay tablet was just lying through his teeth to get over on you ??

金虎爺有求必應

He's in denial

@jahlion7078

2 жыл бұрын

Why does YHWH murder? Hosea 13 16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

@infinityBBC

Жыл бұрын

@@jahlion7078 YHWH doesn't murder, but rather avenges. btw, "murder" most often doesn't equate to "killing".