You've undoubtedly seen my video on the XW Pro. Based on Schneider's response to it, I'm going to give it another shot. I had no issue with load capability, but rather the software glitches and tech support, which are just as important as the capacity. Thanks for sharing!

@earthenergyhex

8 ай бұрын

tech support sucks for Schneider

@HOST8I8

Ай бұрын

@@earthenergyhex Tech support does suck and its not very user friendly at all. Ive had this unit for 7 years and the 1 out of 2 Schneider charge controller failed after about the 3rd year. I had to replace it.

Dean, I am very experienced with Schneider and Sol-Ark. I validate your comments and conclusions. Good job on your presentation.

Thanks for your work on designing a great piece of hardware!

Love my XW Pro, it never fails to impress! I have been using it for 5 years and its solid as a rock and I have been a bit rough on it at times and it has never ever failed

This is priceless teaching. You are the champion my friend, you just saved me a lot of money buying a cheap inverter. Now I know what I should be buying to get my house's needs.

@donlatinohits

2 ай бұрын

I swear, same thing happened to me after watching this video

You just saved me a ton of money… you are a treasure! Thank you sir

Excellent video, as I’m new to off grid some of the USA videos had me confused regarding ’split phase’ and few videos deal with the startup current draw as well as yours did. Excellent I will rewatch and have subscribed.

I am very impressed with your testing and knowledge, Great information, I thank you for taking the time to show us, Thank you again

My system? Chineseium. My backup? Trace 5548s and Classics. I’m glad you’re posting. Thanks for your contributions.

You have a defective unit. If you open the front cover and look at the MCU board, I bet you have HW v1.1 board in it. SolArk will send you a replacement HW v1.2 board and your issues will go away. The symptoms you are having are exactly the problem I was having. I was using a 120 VAC compressor. You also need to update the firmware as well. Once repaired, they will run very well even with unbalanced 120 VAC loads.

Thanks for the great video - would love to see you run a similar test on the sol-ark 15k!

@davidorcutt9246

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thank you for this!!! Solark 15k And Lion energy sanctuary system please!!!

@moto-rambler

Жыл бұрын

the 15K would be the same because it's still a transformer-less inverter.

I was looking for this video for a very long time. Good work sir👍👍👍👌

very good video, it was interesting that you tested the growatt SPF 6000T DVM MPV that has a low frequency transformer and see how well it works, thanks for that video and taking the time to teach.

Those professional equipments can explain a lot of things. Great Video.

Very impressive and something I needed to see. Thank you for this video.

My neighbors installer just finished a solark 12k install with 6kw of PV. The installer promised it would start a 3/4hp 42a surge 240v well pump. Let’s just say it can’t and he had to move the pump back from critical loads panel to main panel for grid power. When the pump kicks on with solark, it just beeps and resets. Installer isn’t helping resolve saying the solark spec says it can. This video is very informative

@supaluva6996

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if this is because your battery bank isn't sized properly for delivering enough DC amps?

@Zorlig

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wonder what the pump actually pulls, seems like it needs more than 42a

@TimothyEdgin

Жыл бұрын

Tell them they can salvage it by adding Soft Start kits to their heavy loads like the AC compressor or well pump. Even my cheaper Sigineer 6Kw can start my AC now-just barely. I am about to install this Schneider XW Pro and I was using the Signieer all in one as my starter inverter, and I am super happy because I had very low expectations for the Sigineer. Once I install the XW Pro I will probably keep the cheaper one for a small country house or as a backup. But I knew the Schneider was the better bet based on tear downs. 170Lbs for inverter it says on my pallet. That is HEAVY! My Sigineer Power 6Kw UL Listed inverter is only 70 Lbs-not even in same class.

AMAZING video. thank you SO much for sharing your knowledge and Insight! (pun intended, lol!) just wanted to add: this was probably the most eye-opening video i've EVER seen on the XW Pro. especially compared to the SOL-ARK. those differences are astounding... so glad i stuck with Schneider. it seems i've dodged a HUGE bullet, and NEVER KNEW!

I love this video. Thank you for making it.

Thanks for the video, this convinced me to go with this inverter. You have some cool test setups and meters, nice to see how you put it through its paces. Signature Solar is linking to your video, you might want to setup some affiliate links with them so that you can continue to buy more off grid stuff and make videos!

Thanks for the video! I wish it was out before I bought my system. I am using a Sol-Ark 12k off-grid and was very disappointed when my miter saw would trip the inverter. I bought a soft starter for it, and that pretty well solved the problem, but then I tried another saw and even the soft starter would not keep it from tripping. And, I experienced the same result when I tried to start my air compressor! The Sol-Ark is transformerless which makes it much more efficient but makes it basically two paralleled 4.5k inverters. I believe each line will actually handle 4.8 - 4.9k before tripping off. I am solving this problem by adding an autotransformer to my main panel. While on, this perfectly balances all the loads and makes it to where the Sol-Ark only sees a single 240V load. It will actually put out 9kW reliably under these conditions and combines the surge capabilities of the two legs, but it does take an efficiency hit. I plan to test exactly how much of a hit, so I can manage it (turn off the autotransformer when/if not needed). By the way, the reset time after the Sol-Ark inverter trips is programable and can be set to much lower. I have mine set to 15 seconds. In addition, the surge capabilities are expanded when you have solar power coming into the unit. This was confirmed as my saws would start more reliably during nice sunny days and not so much as darkness fell. My only experience with the XW Pros was with a large system of two banks of 3 inverters. One failed almost out of the box. I found them to be flakey and finicky in their operation, way too involved to setup to work with the grid and a generator, the native monitoring was terrible, and Schneider's support was not great. That experience and one other (different model) ruined me on Schneider inverters. Sorry ... If I had it to do over, I would probably pay a little more and setup a Victron system. I have a small Victron system in my RV and it has performed flawlessly. My 3k inverter will even start every tool I have (never tried the air compressor). My only complaint is that the factory support is quite lacking, but there is a large knowledge base out there from which to draw. My two cents ... thanks again!

@onthelake9554

Жыл бұрын

I find your comment suspicious . You start off by saying " I wish this video was out before I bought my system " and end with your "experience with a XW pro ". .

It tripped since each leg of the Sol-ark can only do 4500w. Soon as one leg goes over the system resets. Great video! I’ve installed both and like both products just depends on applications.

Bob, You are so correct. The problem is very few understand how to make it all work correctly. Off grid is NOT plug and play ! also one manufacture for all components is usually not the best for the customer. I find the biggest problem is many installers install and walk away when programing is as important as having the correct equipment.

I am in a fully agreement with you. I am running my 2800 square house fully offgrid. The inveter that I am using is xantrex xw6048 never had a problem. I run four inverter split Ac unit constantly along with everything else that is use in a regular home. Thanks for confirming.

I would love to see the same tests with Victron!!

@dlfrestoration

6 күн бұрын

They are always disappointing they don't handle spike loads well and don't make their rated power. Deye and mlt can easily sit all day at their max power

Good video. Just bought an xw pro! Subscribed for more context content.

Great video and demo. Thanks. I'm sold. I was down to Schneider vs Victron Quattro due to their quality and toroidal transformers. It came down to the Schneider having 120/240 so I could run my well pump reliably. To get 240 from Victron, I was going to have to go for pairs of 3kW, 5kW, 10kW and an external autotransformer, or a 15kW. I was concerned with the higher idle power consumption of the bigger/more complex Victron, so I ordered the Schneider. Thanks again.

@onthelake9554

Жыл бұрын

If you're in the USA , sadly the Victron is not UL / ETL listed either . Maybe some day they will realize it needs to be . Victrons user interface and configurability is light years beyond schneider .

@Scat.original

11 ай бұрын

I too am down to Schneider vs Victron Quattro due to their quality and toroidal transformers but more to Schneider after watching the above load test and another one from David Poz - Load Testing the Schneider XW PRO 6848 Inverter kzread.info/dash/bejne/oHeKk7GOosankdo.html Thanks again Scat

Best off grid guy on KZread. Been off grid since 1983. I agree with it all. Trace back in the day was awesome still got a 2512 that works for example. Soon to upgrade so was hunting information on inverters when I came across this. Looks like I'm going with Schneider not happy with my magnum energy products.

That is why I parallel 3 Growatt 5k inverters with 4 48VDC battery banks (60KW). Only the Schneider can do it with 1 and a huge price tag. I also like redundancy and only need 1 inverter to run my loads but as he stated it takes 2 for huge load startups. I might change to Schneider's inverters in the future as I already bought.

FYI The Sol-Ark will auto reset itself in one minute for most errors. Did you go into the Inverter settings and change the Battery Capacity Value? The first test of 90 Amps on one leg is way above what the Sol-Ark can handle. The second test was reasonable but you have a flashing Yellow error light on the Battery Indicator which means you are nearing or exceeding the discharge current limit you set for your battery bank. If you get to the limit it will Trip the inverter in order to save your BMS.

@av1204

2 жыл бұрын

i was thinking the same thing. I have the original indoor 8k and it wont trip until 9k or so.

Great testing Practical no bullshit, Real world situations Sir great job👍

I am a electrical engineer also - great presentation!!! Really shows how good these inverters in real world loads

I'm excited! We are installing our system here on the ranch and have decided to go with dual XW Pro's. Seems like a no-brainer, to me.

Gracias. Buena explicación

I had a pair of sw5548 for 19 years, even fed the grid way back when. Have SMA Sunny Islands grid forming inverters (they are VERY WELL BUILT) LIKE Schneider. I like your content precise and clear. CENTER TAP ISOLATION TRANSFORMERS are not much help.

The best inverter service and repair outlet in the country!

The XW is one of the overall best inverters ever made. The XW is not as field serviceable as the Radian. The XW has superior lithium interoperability. The Sol-Ark is good for small homes and cabins where space and price are more of a concern.

Just installed my schneider xw pro and did some load testing. Ran my 6000w dryer, 1500w microwave, washer 1500w, dish washer 1000w and 3/4hp well pump no problem. It's a beast. Need to try A/C compressor next.

@go5582

Жыл бұрын

Hi JY. I'm ready to install a on and off grid solar panel system, I want a 15kw system using sol ark 15kw. But my solar system installer want me to put a 6kw system. I want a 15kw system, for our robotic lifestyle to come. To charge my robotic cars,washer and dryer, vacuum cleaner, house windows, motorcycles cars and trucks, lights and human like adult a.i. robotic 🤖 and pets. Ect.ect. could add a link to your KZread page? Thanks.

@armondoslaughter9875

Жыл бұрын

@@go5582 dont do anything less than the 15k for all you are trying to mess around with.

Excellent test

I’ve been running my entire home on two 12K’s for 15 months. Sometimes a circular saw or vacuum will trip them. I now run inductive loads on a 48Vdc powered hospital ups. If Schneider had better customer service in 2021, I would have gone with them. Sol-Arks work fine with soft starters on heat pumps or like two of mine with inverter compressors, fan, blower. Get what’s best for you. 17MWh produced last 12mo.

Thanks, very enlightening.

Thank you ofr the very good explanations

I'm 100% satisfied with our older Xantrex XW 4024. Even though I should have gone larger (8048) This thing is a beast. 95% of the time, I trip battery inputs before the inverter glitches.. I was going to upgrade to a Sol-Ark for ease of interface, but thanks to your vid, I will be thinking twice on that. The beefy XW is more than twice the weight, but 4x the machine..

@rongray4118

5 ай бұрын

KTCUSTOM - my wife and I are setting up our property off grid. We purchased a altE Pre-wired Syst, SW4048,CL150, SCP. I have changed my mind about installing this unit at all. The battery banks we were able to retrieve from a telecom company are Absolyte GX 48 volt, 2,000 Amp Hour. The small 4048 won't be able to charge one of two batteries much less two battery banks that size. How many kilowatts of solar panel are you running and what size of generator to you operate to charge your batteries? I would imagine the 8048 you have can push a lot of power. Thanks for any feedback.

Thanks for this Video, I have learned a lot for this video, I hope you make more. Just to let you know you have an Audience in Australia. Thankfully I have been patient before build my 48v system, in the OZ bush totally off grid.

I have owned both a Schneider XW+ and a DEYE inverter (what Sol-Ark is based on). Once I had my Schneider running I never had any problems with it. Their hardware is wonderful, but for most people, the Sol-Ark is the better choice on grid (as an installer most customers have an easier time understanding the Sol-Ark vs the Schneider). Off grid, I definitely feel better with a Schneider system or an Outback system. Great video showing some real world usage!

@captainobvious9188

2 жыл бұрын

I have a DEYE 8k that I use 99% of the time on grid with zero-export, but I've run it through its paces off-grid mode and haven't run into these problems like the Sol-Ark here. Having said that, my brother-in-law has pure grid-tie solar and wants to add off-grid ability, and I've been looking at the XW Pro for a while. My Deye doesn't complain if one leg is almost full load and the other has nothing. Also, it runs my old 4-ton (non-inverting) AC just fine. I only have a small air compressor that everything seems to be able to start.

@go5582

Жыл бұрын

Hi.NL. I enjoyed reading your comment. I will use schneider XE + and a DEYE inverter Thank you .

@Floyd112007

6 ай бұрын

Hey, I want to buy an inverter to run my whole house with the grid as back up. I was looking at the Deye 8k. I don't have any air compressors or well pumps or anything like that. Just regular stuff, fridge, freezer microwave, eashing machine and I would like to get AC one day. I can see that the Schneider is great but it's not in the budget. Can I get away with the Deye 8k? What would you recommend? Thanks.

great video very informative 👏

Good live test evaluation , my type of expert This man does a super operationsal checkout No fubar or snafu here!

Thank you very much! Good work! This is basic, but it truly matters. Who else does this??

We became a factory authorized and trained service center for Trace Engineering in 99 and can confirm that everything you say in your excellent video is true. High frequency transformerlless inverters, whether Chinese or US made, simply cannot produce a sufficient surge capacity to power high surge inductive loads. A much better, longer lasting inverter will always be a low frequency, transformer, based inverter like the XW.

SolArk is not an off grid inverter. It's a hybrid inverter. For surge capacity the grid will assist in most cases

I think you might have a bad Sol Ark/outdated firmware, something. These units have been powering under construction homes for us all over the place. Compressors, table saws etc. I will attempt to demonstrate this and upload video! Have a massive compressor at one place, no problem with only the 12K.

@PRS-0317

Жыл бұрын

Same here.. I'll run my 80A welders (whose startup waveform is a cliff!) and my Sol-Ark 12k doesn't blink. When I'm grid tied it's smart as hell about when/where/how-much to apportion to which load and sell-back and battery. One i wired up my own local data collection (instead of needing a chinese website) it's been smooth sailing. Built out the PV array and now have two 12k paired together. Also super smart about how they work together.

Thanks for real world test!

I have only used Magnum and Outback. I prefer low freq inverters. My custom China inverter is pretty good. 10 kw 120 dc to 120 ac. I use an auto trans for my 240 vac needs

Thank you so much for all your efforts sir, have you tried the Solark 15K?

Inverter wars. Schneider does not seem like a good fit for off-grid, DIY type of installations from what I've gathered in the interwebs, but does seems like well designed equipment. What I'd really like to see someday is a real life comparison to issue resolution/customer support for these companies. I like the dump load and generator peak shaving features of the Sol Ark. As David Poz said in his video, it's all about your particular use case...

@stuie25

2 жыл бұрын

schneider will do gen support and ac grid support

@nodalneyo

2 жыл бұрын

I know the schneider inverters too have all this load shavings and peak load offsetting features too as i presently use one.

@gemrough

Жыл бұрын

Schneider is a beast! They weigh a ton and work well. I have a 6048 and am expanding with a 6848 soon.

@EastyUK

Жыл бұрын

Spot on, ran solark offgrid since 2019, the only tweak is using an auto transformer for large compressor and chop saw. Never had a 240v device trip it, welding and plasma cutter high amp. It’s pretty seamless setup off grid with gen and smart loads, built in 12kw mppt and hybrid efficiency. Offgrid is not plug and play, ppl need to design the system and it’s certainly not just load capability.

Frickin awesome. Was looking at a solark and no longer am. Haha. I have cheap electrical price. But our power goes off more often than i think common household does. I live in the middle of no where. 160 acres. I’m looking for a device that can be a whole house UPS. I have (16) 390w solar panels and we get a lot of sun, except 50% of our winter days are foggy. I want my house to take our abundance of sun and use as much as it can before taking our utility power. When the power goes off I want MOST outlets and devices to be powered. I think I’m okay with 90% of our 240VAC appliances being off line during a power outage. But I’d love to have our 240V well pump powered. I have a lot to figure out. I live close to Grand Coulee dam in Washington state and our bill is 6.8 cents per kW, which is why I didn’t want to spend too much on solar. I bought Tammarack 4-panel array mounts.

Nice!!! some people are not prepared for this video!!!!🤣

I have a 12 k and I have had no problem with it.i don't need to run a air compressor and I have never seen a microwave coffee machine and whatever pull 9000 watts.but it does do just fine for my needs when grid is out.

You can add a soft start to some things and get by. Our well pump is a good example.

I have this in my garage about to install it! I already have my solar working with a cheaper "learner" 6Kw inverter from Sigineer because I did not want to destroy my Schnieder while I learned electrical engineering. My questions is, I have have 3x5 375 watt REC panel strings with DC optimizers feeding into an AIMS Power Combiner box, and the combiner box sends out a perfect 200 volts. I know the Schneider XW Pro doesn't need the combiner box, but I love the performance and safety of the AIMS Power combiner box because it also has fuses for Lightening, can I just pull out the Sigineer inverter and drop in the XW Pro keeping the lightening protection of the combiner box and put this PV group on one string feeding into the inverter? Will this manager a 200 volt input well or do I have to put them all into series to have higher voltage? I prefer keeping the voltage lower but the XW Pro has a higher voltage rang up to 600 so I am not sure.

This video shows there is no substitute for real world testing. Simply reading the spec sheets can lead to buying the wrong inverter for the job.

I believe you had another video Testing a Growatt under similar loads and it performed well. IS this under another name?

I have a Sol Ark same as you tested and have this issue all the time. Cannot run the well pump and AC at the same time. Was told the issue is I don’t have loads balanced. We are 100% off grid and been looking for a new inverter to eliminate the Sol Ark.

@RicknessJ82

Жыл бұрын

I have this issue as well. Sol-Ark's explanation was that the system will only draw up to 120% of the max battery current setting in the menu. That's regardless of what the actual battery discharge capacity is. This is quite a bit different than the surge figures in Sol-Ark's datasheet which they say only apply when on grid. Definitely not the way I interpreted before I bought.

It was a great video. Have you tested the power consumption of the Conext XW Pro 6848 in a DC Coupled PV system? with 0Amp. sell to the grid. Would you do a video of this?

PS I AC couple the sunny islands on the AC input Buss my arrays are spaced on a long line since my sunny island system is in the shop 350' from the house. Array around 13000 watts but actual output around 9000 average.

I appreciated the back story.

Wish I found you 2 months ago. I just purchased a 15kw solark. We only have one grinder pump with start up of 33 amps then drops to 16 amps the rest of electric is 120

@Zorlig

2 жыл бұрын

That is rated for a continuous 50a. This seems like why they have that smart load thing to shed loads coming out.

@richardhulbert9833

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonphillips3051 Not yet We are building a Electric house should be ready in the next 30 days

Yes thank you for sharing this great video would you be able to test a brand-new samlex split phase 120 240 that just came out on the market

@paulbaker3144

8 ай бұрын

I like how the owners manual of my Samlex EVO2224 low frequency inverter explains how the inverter works and even how to repair it. It’s been very reliable. Seems like a quality product. Have Samlex come out with a big inverter?

This man does a fair job of comparing his product with the Sol-Ark product. His product outperformed the SolARk product in every test.

@onthelake9554

Жыл бұрын

Not his product .

@onthelake9554

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonphillips3051 I thought he said he worked for trace engineering , was he still there after Schneider bought them out ?

Awesome review. Could you please review the Sol-Ark 15k?

OK, I'm looking to put in solar, but my concern was house and shop is all electric, and on grid, it not nothing to have 10k surges, and I've been worried about this. So, what is the largest stackable unit available. I was thinking about a 12k are 15k to start with , and then upgrading to 2 at a later date? Thank you Gary

The XW Pro was my initial choice after research for these reasons. I'm curious about the question below, if the solark was set to max out at 100A on the battery. I'm sceptical about it failing to reach it's published specs.

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

At 14:30 it was clearly drawing 150 amps from the battery .

@Dreadlk

2 жыл бұрын

@@onthelake9554 The question i what was the setting in the Sol-Ark. It may let you got for a few seconds at a higher surge load but then it will trip.

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dreadlk That would be an even bigger problem if it will draw 50 percent more from the battery than you had it limited to . I hope that's not the case but I wouldn't be surprised .

very informative

👍Appreciate your work. Wonder about difference between transformer and no transformer in inverters. Maybe transformer isolated not quite as efficient.

I have installed and personally used both. Solark tells you upfront they limit each phase and the power between phases cant be combined. I’ve never had one trip under a rated power. What Solark does that Trace does not is provide built in mppt inputs that eliminates the need for expensive multiple charge controllers. Their software in my opinion offers is better by being simple and more intuitive than Trace/ Schneider. The learning curve to make the Trace system do what the Solark does is quite lengthy, and requires purchasing and integrating multiple add-on components that are problematic for new guys to deal with. I think the Solark offers a lot for the money. In all fairness their product has only been out a couple of years and Trace has has decades to improve their game. I’d say Trace/Schneider is a superior product in some regards but not all areas. And in fairness to Solark, you should mention the Schneider product does not provide any charge controller built into the XW. You have to purchase that separate. And if you have high voltage panels get ready to pay thousands for what Solark provides built in to their inverter. I think Schneider missed the boat on that one years ago. For management of a pv array and charging batteries Schneider is not even in the game with the XW inverter alone. For starting loads Schneider is a superior product in some regards. However, I think there are important aspects of the comparison that you’re leaving out.

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

I think everyone know Schneider is a component system and not an all in one. More trouble but more flex.

@tompayne695

2 жыл бұрын

As a 39 year off grider ( my term) and still having the first commercially viable Trace unit, I will again say it is insane to add MPPT built ins to an inverter, adding another fail point to your inverter is foolish, especially for off griders. The days of a Trace type company flying me a new 4024, and it hanging on my wall within 24 hours area thing of the past. Use Morningstar MPPT controllers.

@Richard-ib3kp

2 жыл бұрын

@@tompayne695 I think there is some value to your comment, however not every customer is “off grid”. Whereas, I would agree that adding complex function to a device reduces its reliability, I would also say having multiple separate components to perform the same thing increases risk to an equal degree. And if you are “off grid” does it matter if you have a separate inverter and charge if either fail? You could argue it’s cheaper to have a spare charge controller but what guarantee do you have the inverter won’t fail? You still have multiple points of potential failure. I have an off grid property and I have both types of systems installed and neither have ever failed. Furthermore, all of the customers that I’ve ever sold a Solark to were grid tied and simply wanted a backup in the event of a power failure. There is no risk there and it’s a cheaper way to accomplish the same thing. I would bet on Schneider before I bet on Solark in general but only due to the fact they have been doing this for many years. Their reputation is solid in the industry and it’s a great product. It also costs more. No free lunches. My Solark has only been in place for a year but it has been a reliable device and I see no reason to discount it as an off grid solution. My point is one device with two failure points is no different than two separate devices that are both required to perform one task. The only advantage I see is if you gamble the failure point will be a less expense component however that is not guaranteed. The only true guarantee is a backup system. Two is one and one is none.. as they say.

@Keifsanderson

Жыл бұрын

@@Richard-ib3kp Schneider sells a "bundle" that adds DC coupling and basically makes it an all-in-one with a modular assembly. It's a nice form factor and everything is matched. It's like a $2400 mark up over the base 6.8kW. The value is there, but it's not for me. I'm going to add solar later, so I appreciate being able to size separate and redundant MPPTs for the array I'll eventually erect.

@johanncover1988

9 ай бұрын

I heard the argument about components failure and being about to change them out in a modular system than an all-in-one. I think once installed right most failures would be at losing connection at the wire plans and there are more wire/cable connection in modular system than all-in-one

I was torn between Sol-ark and Schneider.... after seeing this video I bought the Schneider XW Pro.

No well Pump? ~8:00 Small Loads only ? really? 95% of well pumps are 240v. There hasn't been a pump I haven't been able to start that is under 3hp with a Sol-ark. I have about 70 Sol-ark installs out there. You should have specified that this was an offgrid only experiment. You forgot to mention the round trip efficiency of XW system including the charge controllers. You have almost 20% loss on an XW round trip (solar>CC>battery> inverter>load) I ran 17kw all day on 2 Sol-arks the other day. There are a lot of apples and oranges comparisons in the video. You also could have mentioned that adding a transformer to Sol-ark in an offgrid installation is a solution that is

@Dreadlk

2 жыл бұрын

There is some weird mentality out there that says if I pay a whole bunch of money for something then the specifications better be better than anything else. The 12K Sol-Ark works perfectly within it's designed limits. If you want more power get the 15K model. Your not paying this money for brute force power, your paying for a system that is very reliable, intelligent and efficient at harvesting power from multiple sources.

@davidorcutt9246

Жыл бұрын

775 I’m glad you watched this. I was thinking to send it to you and get your input. Thanks.

@onthelake9554

Жыл бұрын

@@Dreadlk So expecting a 12k inverter to at least keep up with a 6k inverter is weird mentality . I think it's weird when a company calls it a 12k and then in the specs call it a 9k and then it won't do that well. That's weird.

@edisont.picard4112

Жыл бұрын

I think Mr. Abney made it clear this was on off grid test. He said he specializes in battery solar systems. I think it was as fair of a test as it could be. The battery and loads were exactly the same. He didn't make the video to showcase the features built in to each inverter beyond it's ability to convert 48 volts DC into 240/120 volts AC. The Sol-Ark clearly has more built in features but that isn't the point of the video.

@johnvasko4035

Жыл бұрын

Charge controller consumption is almost non existent. (I know because at 10800 watts of solar on 12 volts I've got a lot of them). Not a factor compaired to the Sol-Arc's idle consumption let alone two of them, which is a bunch. The main difference between the choice of the XW/Trace line of inverters and the Sol-Arc is what the consumer is trying to end up with. Bullet proof, proven reliability and garanteed power vrs trying to save money by evading payments to the utility companies with a quick and easy installation as the main priority. For an installer knocking down 70 systems as you have, its the same strategy as your installing Kyle's quick and easy ground mounts. The best way to generate high volume and make maximum bucks. Good for you but not necessarily the best option for someone who wants brute power and reliabilty no matter what it costs or how much labor it takes to do the install. The fact that you have to propose adding soft start controllers and even transformers that the XW already comes included in the design speaks for itself. My two Trace SW2512's have been running problem free for 23 years and I'm from the old school like this gentleman is. We went off grid not to save money, but to have power for critical loads no matter what. When the system actually does go belly up running cental air is an unneeded and unsustainable luxury versus reliably starting a deep well pump which is mandatory. Both this gentleman and myself of been operating our systems since before the current flock of manufacturers and installers ever heard of alternative energy. Even though over a time frame of 23 years the cost calculations of panels/batteries have completely reversed I'll still be keeping my current system. Our strategy will prove to be the best in the long run when money doesn't matter any more.

Wish schneider would make it so i could stack the 2 sw 4048s . Last i checked it wasn't possible . I'm running the pros little brother and sometimes would be nice for that extra kick of power. Def robust units.

I am glad I found your channel. I used to watch Jack Rickard's channel but he passed away. Jack used to use Tesla batteries to experiment with, I can't wait to see what you come up with now. I am going to be retiring in Southwest Asia and I have a solar power system there already but I will be adding a few. The inverter I am using there now is the Deye which is a Sol-Ark under a different name that outputs 240v. Sol-Ark has a deal to be the sole provider of Deye in the US. I am using that inverter because it was available. I've been thinking about going to Victron but now I am looking at the XW Pro too. Sol-Ark / Deye can be "paralleled" for up to like 16 units. I don't know if that would help in the testing you are doing, but the Deye inverter I bought overseas was 1,600-ish dollars for an 8kw unit so I can string a few of those together before I get to the price of one in the US. Deye and Sol-Ark are made in the same factory and have the same software, only the case looks different. I want to eventually run 240v/60hz to some plugs and devices and 120v/60hz to others so I can run stuff I have from the US too. It sounds like a will need another inverter to do the 120v/60hz stuff which is mostly electric motors and stuff that can't switch between both like a laptop can. I've got 16 panels of 500 watts each on the roof and 16 more ready to install. The batteries are 200ah 48v and I have 6 of those. The batteries I have are 300 lbs a piece. I am not so savvy on what I need so I am hoping to learn from you on your channel!!

Awesome! The xw pro is a beast. Can the xw pro supply grid tie power to the homes main panel and use batteries+solar to do so?

@stuie25

2 жыл бұрын

the xw will grid tie if the parameters are met ie battery voltage is above the sell back cut in setting.

Great video, i think i will stick to schneider

Dean - is there a complete layout of these paralleled XW PRO (schematic) that shows an entirely off grid set up? I am trying to see every component and part required to supply the Absolyte Battery bank(s) that we discussed. I did send David Poz a message and I am hoping to hear back from when he has the opportunity. I will keep going over and over his video to let the information sink into my head. Once again - thank you for the encouragement!

If you're mainly grid tied - is this less of an issue with the Sol-Ark?

More a question than a comment. Is it posable to get into the firmware to balance the output of dual 6848 in real time WITHOUT investing in the $700 SE tool? Off grid 95% of the time. Charging (12) 51.2 VDC, 100 AH life power lithium phosphate batteries from (38) pc of 405-watt Mono PV each with an Enphase IQ-7 micro inverters. XW Pro's set up the 60hz grid for the 1Q-7s which works wonderfully off grid but sketchy if I try using grid support or self-consumption. System runs everything including (2) 3-ton inverter-controlled AC units and pool pump. XW Pros are beasts. But the slave is always doing more than the master. I'd say there is a 10% difference. When almost recharged I can readings that show the slave is powering the master. other than efficiency loss is it hurting anything?

is the stacking cable just a regular cat5 or cat6?

can you go more into your battery set up, pro and cons of other types

closing remark nailed it! ps. split phase suck to begin with

Trace was great. Still have a Heart interface!

Quick question: Sol-ark 12kW and Sol-ark 15kW both appear to struggle with drawing current from batteries. 12kW max. I assume that the Schneider 12kW struggle regardless of whether it draws power from the PV's, the batteries or the grid. How does the Sol-Ark 15kW if it has an ability to bypass grid current @ 48kW? Did they create this bypass feature to compete with Schneider's superior surge handling? Would Sol-Ark have tocopy Schneiders design and do the 48VDC to 48VAC first and then use a transformer to step up 48VAC to 240VAC? This that the main difference between the two is that Sol-Ark is transformerless and converts 48VDC directly into 240VAC instead?

Thx a lot sir, you got the Solark 12k, the 15k is much better.

There is no question an autotransformer based inverter performs far better. The Sol-Ark 15kW has so many great features including a 200 amp pass-through and 5.5ms transfer time with ability to charge batteries from the PV during a grid failure and start the generator when the batteries hit a pre-set voltage as well as kill the generator at a pre-set voltage. It can do peak shaving, and time-of-use. It can handle old, dirty generators for battery charging. There are SO many other features. But it has the same power/leg limitations as the 12k. It's really disappointing. You CAN buy an autotransformer to put on it but then it's even more expensive than its already sky-high price. I have a SunGoldPower (of all things) 12kW inverter that's a powerhouse. It runs my 2800 SqFt house with no complaints, including an electric oven. It weighs 200 pounds because of its monstrous transformer. That's how it's done, IMHO. Now that I'm going on-grid I need to replace it with something that's UL rated and can deliver like the SunGold. Maybe a UL Rated SunGold? I know they work!

I have a 1hp, 240V well pump I would like to run off an inverter after we get hit by a hurricane. Will the XW Pro with (2) 48V /100AH batteries be enough to run this? Does that require two XW Pro inverters? It's difficult to find an off-grid electrician to design and install a system in our area. Any suggestions for someone who does this type of work in South Louisiana?

@mikehulbert9279

Жыл бұрын

It likely will (1 HP is less than 1000W) but you need to check the specs on your batteries and determine if they have a max amps where their BMS (assuming Li-Ion) shuts them off. Your limitation in this setup would be battery capacity, the inverter could empty those batteries in under 2 hours but it's not likely they could support that level of draw.

Interesting

I wonder what size of SolArk you will buy with a price of one XW

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I have yet to install our altE Pre-wired Syst, SW4048,CL150, SCP but I am wondering if we need another unit to operate our RV while we build off grid. We have two Absolyte GX 48 volt battery banks (2,000 Amp hour each). I may be way out of my league with thinking that we can provide enough watts from solar arrays. What do you think?

@abneysolar3941

5 ай бұрын

It is important to keep those batteries charged, The SW4048 has a small charger compared to the 2000Ah of battery you have at a min it would add a second SW4048. Those batteries like to be charged with 200 amps to keep the sulfates at bay.

@rongray4118

5 ай бұрын

@@abneysolar3941 There may be an opportunity to purchase a used XW Pro from Utah. I am wondering that that unit would be better suited for the charging purchases necessary to keep the Absolyte GX's in shape. I am discussing it with my wife. It will mean reconfiguring solar panels as well. Thank you for your response.

Does Schneider have all-in-one systems with charger controller incorporated, like Sol Ark? This video was great! Now I was on the fence between Schneider and Sol Ark, but I am definitely going with Schneider XW Pro. I think transformer makes a huge difference when it comes to starting loads!

We need to know the settings you have for sol-ark.

I have an old XW 6048. I cannot get it to run with LIFEPO4 battery without throwing error codes when the BMS turns on or off. I have tried many variations on settings. Is there a Firmware up date or different settings that would get me up and running.

Sol-Ark 12K has 16KVA limit for 10 sec (66.66 Amps in balanced system) you are trying to star a motor with LRA 90 Amps, it is not possible with that Sol-Ark. Can you share picture or videos showing the alarms and configuration to understand the whole test. Can you check the configuration in the discharge battery parameter (Max A Discharge) and double check that 185 Amps is configured.

@Dreadlk

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly the problem. If you don't go into the menu's and set the battery bank capacity your stuck with the conservative default setting which I think is 100A

@Upliftyourbrothers

2 жыл бұрын

I Would like to know if the setting for this test was done with 100a or the changed setting of 185a. Or rerun the test.

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dreadlk At 14:30 it was clearly drawing 150 amps from the battery .

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

At 14:30 it was clearly drawing 150 amps from the battery .

@onthelake9554

2 жыл бұрын

@@Upliftyourbrothers At 14:30 it was clearly drawing 150 amps from the battery .

Thanks for the video, I would like a video for both Xw pro for me step by step for 13 KW .