This video was extremely helpful in understanding the underpinnings of the game's economy. All the other information I could find on it implies that "everything works perfectly normal until a massive Xenon attack destroys a sector."

@Eshir92

3 ай бұрын

i'm glad it was helpful

I can't get enough advanced materials to save the universe!!!!

@xizzard

2 ай бұрын

All you need is love! No, I'm kidding, you need 1 ( maybe 2) Asgard with L plasma, M split flack and some upgrades on it (cowboy for turrets) + 1 M docked with 4-6 M flacks :)

@shorunqualtec2070

10 күн бұрын

And i can't get enough universe to make advanced materials! Trade?

What a brilliant idea of yours. This concept of selling defense stations to factions for sector conquest is nothing short of revolutionary! Imagine being able to strategically place a formidable defense station within a sector and then witnessing the faction you've sold it to embark on an exhilarating campaign to seize control of that very sector. The implications are mind-blowing! OMG I need this. :D. I love this idea so much. I hope EGOSOFT has something like that in their future updates.

"A 10 minute video should cover it"

@Eshir92

3 ай бұрын

proceeds to make a longer than 10 minute video hahahaha

this video is watchable and you have a smooth and silky voice. Ty for the indepth explanation. Could be a little shorter but was nice length for a dogwalk.

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

Thank you

In my game state the riptide rackers are supplying maybe 80 percent of all hull parts and claytronics production. With the teladi making about 10-15 percent. The economy is reliant on them.

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

yeah their production of claytronic and hull parts are perfectly set up to out scale everyone at the start of a game from second 1 and will likely last the entirety of a save

You can just rush 2-3 defense stations ($6-7M/station + Blueprints) on Xen invasion gates with one M collecting drops. There are a lot of tutorials on how to build them. Places: Hatikvah`s choice 1, Ianamus Zura 4, Family Zhin and so on. Is much much more cheap than building fleets to defend. This will keep sectors clear of any Xen invasions, player pockets full and faction fleets sleeping. :) No one will invade others, just pirates here and there. Also you can make money fast by trading Adv Satellites 1M-1.5M per 100pcs, but you will need at least 4.5M to start this. For collecting drops I recommend fast fighters set to collect and flee.

@Eshir92

2 ай бұрын

yes this is a good solution too!

@xizzard

2 ай бұрын

@@Eshir92 for me is best until now (+1100h) for vanila game. Playing with mods is a different story with too many variables. Have fun.

@equilibrium964

28 күн бұрын

That's what I'm currently doing in my playthrough. I also secured the Void with 2 defense stations, so that antigone, PIO and the Terrans don't get cut off from my economy.

@williamryder781

21 күн бұрын

how do you sell off the contraband stuff that drops? i know that in Hatikvah's Choice you can jump one sector over and hit up a neutral black market, but what about the other places?

@xizzard

13 күн бұрын

@@williamryder781 you can mod one ship to make it unscanable, but usualy you can fast dock an sell. Also buying licences saves you some money in the long run.

Even better for the terran economy, they get their own scrap station that makes basic terran resources from scrap, making getsu fune into goldmine thanks to all the wrecks there!

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

yeah the scrap is pretty strong as well just gotta keep in mind the amount of energy cells to get scrap going is quite a bit

@Blastxu

Ай бұрын

@@Eshir92 thankfully the terrans also get mercury which has great energy generation. I usually have a few L traders going back and forth to getsu fune

The Universal economy, I would say, is actually efficient. It lets you build ships for the half price in total raw resources compared to Terran economy. However, the Universal economy is also useless compared to Terran, because you have to build so many expensive factories to actually make a single ship yourself. For example, a modest claytronics fab of 4 claytronics and 6 chips will take almost 400k of raw resources total, taking up 4kk m3 space. You could build 2 maxed out Asgards for that. And this is just the claytronics, and not big. With Terran economy, on the other hand, you just break into a sector with resources, build a couple of stations and start pumping out miners, spreading like mold. So yes, I agree that the Universal economy is useless, but it is actually efficient. Eventually :)

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

heres hoping the next update or two will improve the game

I've watched the entire video, and I liked it. It provided a substantial amount of knowledge that I could compare with my own findings. Thank you.

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

This was some valuable information. Thank you.

16:00 -ish I don't think I've ever seen more than a single M, N, or T make it from Savage Spur to The Void. Like, I know they can if you use the Yaki [BAD END] to rearrange the neighborhood, but in general the Terrans have an Asgard w/ full support fleet sitting on the gate and also a few patrols of a Syn and 3 Osakas going between the gates. Meanwhile, there's absolutely nothing the ANT can do, or will even attempt, to stop the Xenon.

I tried to make a station that had all the metals and some other stuff on it, but in the screen where you tell them to sell & buy the matrial, it wouldnt show all the menus i needed to make them buy and sell that material. So i had to split them into different stations. Do you have a guide on building and running a Mega Station? but also wouldnt that make getting the materials harder, cos some are gonna be so far away, and you only start with like a level 2 or 3 manager.

@Eshir92

4 ай бұрын

if its not showing all the menus in the logistics screen that means that either the storage is not built (if you have production set up to make the metal ) or you have the storage but no production built to make the metals. so if you trying to import what you need you have to add the import you want manually the button on the bottom left side of the screen. stations are tricky to wrap you head around at the start. you need the right storage for what your importing and they have to be fully built. ore storage for the raw ore. liquid for the gases. and container for everything else. then if your not producing any product just importing you have to set up the menus manually. only if your station is producing will the menus be semi automatically set up

@Eshir92

4 ай бұрын

i know this is the 3rd video in the playthrough but this should help sorry my mic is a little quiet on these early videos kzread.info/dash/bejne/YnqOuKWRf7uyoMo.htmlsi=vL5fapuRrtoVrCo6&t=1923

So, if i understood, if the player takes too long to integrate into the common wealth eco, takes the risk of beeing completly overwellmed by the xenon/khaa'k? Im new to the game, not so new to the series, ive started in x3:tc, but iven then, my biggest question was: If the AI is the main antagonist, if every one is trying to stop it, does that mean that its a race against the clock, and that beeing one hour to late can speel defeat to that playthrough? Im 14-16H deep into X4 so far, ive set up some basic but functional autominers plus autotraders (2 S autoM + 1 M autoM + 1 Gas and 1 M autotrader plus 1 S autotrader), and ive beeing treathing the game like Elite, doing missions to other factions, and slowly builing up capital to claim a sector? (another question i have...) and start building my little empire. Main goal, Conquer everything and try to stand as the only'iys faction in the galaxy. Its like folk's say: Dream big or go Home xD Well thats my internal strugle rn, thanks for the long but informative video, ive learn that my life has a lie ;P Sya

@Eshir92

2 ай бұрын

you don't have to worry too much about it. the ai factions do slow down to a crawl after their stock piles run dry. from there the xenon are mostly a logistics obstacle getting enough trade ships with resources to your stations depending on where you build even then its not to big of a problem either mostly it will be time consuming. if your quick at the very start of a save and rush enough to get a station built before the ai factions blow through their stockpiles you could have a very fast start to setting up a profitable economy. but if you miss that small window you can still progress so don't stress too much and don't be afraid to take it slow nothing will dramatically change for quite a long time

A ton of good info! Thanks for the vid :)

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Nice

@Eshir92

5 ай бұрын

Thanks

Are credits limited for the factions as well?

@Eshir92

3 ай бұрын

no the ai has unlimited credits as far as i can tell. the bottle neck is the quantity of products needed the manufacturing and the transportation of said products

The statements at 8:50 and on are somewhat misleading. Depending on the faction and the RNG of the game start, factions can and will push out against the Xenon which is a reverse of what you're stating, they're also able to supply ships on demand, quite a few at that. More often than not, in my experience, the game just stalls out where no faction including the Xenon, do muc hof anything for a very very long time. The end-game becomes, in most-part a stale-mate, ending up peaceful and quiet. It's really up to the player to 'stir-the-pot' but if the game is left to its own devices, not much happens over the long term, but again it's all about the starting RNG. In my playthrough, I spont zero time in the void, which had no noticable effect on my playthrough, TER seemed to have dominated the entire area, so this 'pincer attach' your laying out never occurred, again, I attribute that to RNG../shrug

@Eshir92

4 ай бұрын

one things for sure the npc economy could use some help. guess thats what the player is for

Any mods you would recommend to improve the ai economy?

@Eshir92

18 күн бұрын

I've heard that the deadair mods are good, but if you improve their situation too much will they buy from your faction?

@3sbon

15 күн бұрын

​@@Eshir92 that's where a few hundred spaceship bombs come in handy.

That is not how the tide works. Automated AI ships knows not to go in, only player manually controlled ships can go into the tide while it's active. They will even leave the sectors to avoid the tide, so M ships work just fine.

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

i got tired of my m ships going in and dieing ( then haveing to replace them ) while exporting so i upgraded to L size ships and that did the trick for me

Zzzzz... video starts at 12:15... end at 41:07

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

Yep

logest 10 min video ever, couldnt warch 5 min.

@Eshir92

2 ай бұрын

rip

This is unwatchable. Get to the point. More structure. Less dithering and "uuuuh"s.

@Eshir92

3 ай бұрын

i'll keep that in mind

i dont like your voice, maybe dont put the mico a cm of your lips but the explaining is good.

@Eshir92

Ай бұрын

i'll keep that in mind

hola loco podrias poner la traduccion? gracias

@Eshir92

6 ай бұрын

La traducción es manejada por youtube directamente su inteligencia artificial. He puesto las opciones en el video para traducir los subtítulos de cada video en el canal tan pronto como los subo, es parte del proceso de subir un video. No hablo ni leo español. Este comentario fue traducido a través de Google.

thanks for this Man!!