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Great video! The Doctor Who episode mentioned at 8:50 that Byrne was inspired by is called Day of the Daleks from 1972. In that episode, guerilla fighters time travel back from an alternative future ruled by the Daleks, the Doctor's semi-robotic archnemesis, and try to assassinate a politician at a peace conference, believing him to be responsible for their horrible future. The Doctor realizes that instead, it is their bomb that creates the bad future, a self fulfilling paradox, and stops them to alter the future. It's not 1 for 1 with DoFP and Byrne said he wasn't consciously inspired by it, but that when the similarity was pointed out to him, he copped to subconsciously having some of those elements (terrible future ruled by frequent robotic bad guys, time traveling rebel to stop the future, assassination of a politician leading to the future, and so on).

@philipfabiani9325

3 жыл бұрын

I had thought the core aspects of DoFP were inspired by the movie It's a Wonderful Life and the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. It's a Wonderful Life presented the idea of a nightmarish alternate reality that resulted from the absence of a single important community figure. Franz Ferdinand's death at the hand of a group of assassins triggered a series of events that led to WWI.

My most prized comics are the original issues of DoFP signed by both Claremont and Byrne (a couple years apart). Claremont signed first and signed the cover. Unsurprisingly, Byrne chose to sign inside on the first page rather than share the cover.

@baronnickvonsick139

3 жыл бұрын

Likewise with an X comic of mine, and I appreciated that fact

I read the (then) new X-Men starting with Giant-Size number 1, so I was fifteen when this story came out in the monthly. It was about the most satisfying end to a legendary run that one could have possibly hoped for, and that creative team went out without losing a step. Arguably Marvel's strongest ongoing series during those years.

I was lucky enough to read this a few years after it came out in the 80s, from my cousin's comic collection. The part which I think gets missed far too often whenever they try to remake or continue from the story is the fact there was non-mutants on those gravestones too - Spiderman, Captain America, etc. The real threat is that the tool to oppress the mutants becomes the thing that oppresses everyone.

Guys, yet another great episode. Please consider doing The Death of Captain Marvel, and God Loves, Man Kills.

I just finished work, there’s a new episode. Life is good.

@FamineSSBM

3 жыл бұрын

Such a good feeling man. Cracking open a cold one and putting on a new Cartoonist Kayfabe to end the day on a high note.

even the recent Dawn of X story line takes significant influence from Days of Future Past

What's frustrating with that reprint paperback is they omitted the last page of Uncanny X-Men #142 with Henry Gyrich conferring with the 1980 presidential winner (still unknown up to that point because the production happened before the election). Being a late collector and unaware of the contents of the original issue (which a fetched prohibitive price up to that time in the late 80s to early 90s and impossible to ship to an overseas country at that time), the last page will only be first reprinted in black and white in Essential X-Men 2 2nd Edition (2006) and in color The Days of Future Past TPB (2004)

Interesting how this volume ends. The original issues have one final page after the one shown here, showing Shaw, Gyrich and a mystery man talking about moving forward with the Sentinel program, implying that even though the Senator has been saved, history may still play out very similarly to what we've just seen. This is why I'm never as much of a fan of reprints or collections or whatever (though I understand for money reasons why they're more feasible for a lot of people). I wonder why they'd make this change?

For my part its Days that is the story for Claremont/Byrne. The 34/35 issue run is to my mind the second greatest run in comics history. 2nd only to Lee/Kirby on their FF run. I bought this run off the stand and every month was a wonder of what was possible for my favorite characters. Perhaps some rose colored glasses in the mix as well.

I've always though that the true prototype for "Terminator" was a movie with Michael Rennie called "Cyborg 2099". Rennie's character, a cyborg, time travels from a dystopian future enslaved by technology to the present to prevent the development of the technology. Very low budget but enjoyable.

#141 was my first X-Men comic and it blew my 10 years old mind... I'm still unrecovered from it.

A small trade including these issues was the first X-Stories I ever read. I didn't understand everything. They referenced the Phoenix in a lot of these stories, and I didn't know what that was about. But these stories pulled me in. And I wanted to know more. And this story especially, totally blew me away. Absolutely brilliant iconic stuff!

Those concentric circles as a time travel symbol are totally a trope from 60'-70s sc-fi movies. Even the Buck Rogers TV show used it, and that was bordering 1980.

Referring to the acknowledgment at the end of terminator: To my knowledge that was not there in the theatrical version but added for the home releases. This is because Ellison alleges that Cameron had ripped off the opening scene of terminator (where Reese and the Terminator appear suddenly in present day) from his outer limits episode “Soldier”. Unclear if there were more from that episode or the “Demon with a glass hand”. Ellison doesn’t persue based of that but fans usually lump it in as well. He then heard from a friend of his that that was on the set of Terminator that Cameron said to the effect of “yeah I borrowed some ideas from a couple Ellison outer limits episodes”. Ellison then says that because he operates as a film critic that he is always allowed passes to see movies at premieres but not Terminator. He was also not allowed to read the script for the movie, which he says is a request that nobody ever refuses without good reason. He manages to go see the movie as Leonard Maltin’s assistant instead. Seeing for himself he decides to go speak about it legally with Orion pictures. He also gets a call from his friend that an interview from Starlog magazine had omitted a quote from Cameron prior to coming out where Cameron says the same when asked “how’d you come up with Terminator?”. He managed to get that removed quote from a guy he knew in the offices as he had worked there some time ago. His lawyer comes at Orion and they decide to settle. They decide to settle because if they lose the case Cameron would have to float the bill for all incurring costs. Cameron says many years later that he new the suit and claim was BS but he didn’t have that kind of money (keep in mind this is Cameron just off Terminator 1, so hes not the Uber billionaire he is today). Because he couldn’t risk the loss or the money. He had to take the settlement of 60k-70k plus an acknowledgment at the end of the movie. Cameron was also given a gag order to the specifics of the settlement so all the details are from Ellisons POV only. Was Ellison justified to go after Cameron? Would he have actually won the case? Did Ellison get lucky that he maybe punched above his weight and got away with it? Either way, that acknowledgment in Terminator isn’t from respect or admiration. It was legally imposed.

I bought this at a creation con in nyc in 1981. I didn’t like “new” X-men, I was a kid who liked the yellow and blue(now realize black) outfits. I just knew Nightcrawler and Wolverine from an appearance in Spider-man. That cover is so iconic, it was my first issue and blew me away. I didn’t even know it was Logan, and I thought Kate was a guy. But I recognized everyone on the poster. WOW. This elevated Wolverine to god status. The only hero to evade capture, and access to the Baxter Building! X titles didn’t interact with any part of the MU back then. Took me months to find #142. One of my favorite stories of all time. LOVE the animal/adamantium skeleton. Claremont scooped up Logan (smartly), but Byrne’s take on him was always the best. Including his origin, and who his father was. Great job guys

The crazy thing is that Byrne was working on three different titles at the same time throughout the ‘80s.

@shanemontgomery1358

3 жыл бұрын

Was he on FF yet? I know for some of his X-Men run he was doing Avengers and Captain America. Plus occasional one offs. How did he do that?

Besides Miller's run on daredevil, Starlin's warlock this one is the comic of comics😄 oooh la la!

Man, i wish this episode’s cover art was a Sentinel blowing away Ed & Jim, captioned by: “In this issue, everybody dies!” Lmao moment

A lot of things to talk, so, let's start! John Byrne is my favorite artist. For me, no one draws better comics than him. Good narrative, good splashes and double pages, beautiful art and expressions. We brazilian fans have a group dedicated to his artwork in facebook, and the majority of them think that X-Men is his best work. In DOFP particularly, his designs of the future setting are very good, and his first cover, 141, is so iconic, that I saw a lot of look-alike covers in comics and other medias (Marvel vs Capcom has a stage just like the cover). The action scenes are amazing. I think the story is very good, but the only thing that bugs me out is Storm not allowing Wolverine to fight in any moment. It was very unnatural, it looked very forced. Just because of that, I think it's the 3rd best X-Men story, behind Dark Phoenix (1st) and GLMK (2nd). Byrne said in an interview for Syfy Wire that he got out of the book because he realized the fans liked more of the Claremont stuff than his stuff. But I remember a story that Byrne was very angry about the scene in the future where Storm opens the door instead of Wolverine. Claremont demanded the change for Terry Austin and pissed Byrne off. I don't know if it's true but just to register. To finish, I've read a CBR article that shows some doubt about the end of the story with the "Sweep her home" line, she just went back or her home was swept out? I think it's a nice mistery. BTW, amazing job as always in the video!

Opened up that copy just last week - I remember the awe I felt laying my eyes on the 141 cover for the first time.

I look forward to these drops every day!

Picked up my copy from Atomic Comics in Mesa, Az. RIP

You guys are killing it! Really putting out a lot of good content! I have really enjoyed going through the wizard magazines with you and watching you reflect on your experience in comparison to mine with the wizard magazine. Way to go guys keep it up!

You can see a Bryne disinterest or decline in his pencils when he gets into the late 130's early 140's in the Xmen. There was burn out.

The bit where kitty meets destiny with Moira’s in the room reads very differently now.

The only other thing I might add is that in retrospect, Byrne was able to temper Claremont's verbose style with his clever shorthand.

When I was a kid looking at this story I really thought they killed all the X-men, then I realized super heroes and villains never die but there alternate realities and timelines. Great review.

First. I hope you'll do an episode about Strangers in Paradise. Thanks, guys. Keep up the great content.

21:42 masterpiece ✋ 🎤

COURTROOM SCENES?? Daredevil Granddesigns?? Jim rugg, daredevil, ninjas, the hand, mephisto and elektra...make it happen!

this channel is growing on me

Great video. I was a teen when this happened. The art and stories back then were excellent. I stopped buying most comics after 1999.

I recall getting my Dardevil then grabbing my Thor then Seeing the image on x men 141 and aid dam that looks good reading it and loving the story was so sad it was just 2 issues would love to see that story dragged out for 7 or 8 issues the look and read was so good and issue 143 was a bit of a let down from the HIGH of 141 and 142

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It is funny that ed and Jim diss DC comics all the time on this channel. It is almost like they are trying to hard to overcompensate for something they do not have.

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