No permit, work done on Easter Sunday? Someone was trying to pull a fast one under the old "easier to ask forgiveness than permission" mindset. There's no way this wasn't intentional - that kind of work is almost never done on a weekend, let alone a holiday.

@jamesborck5908

Ай бұрын

How to avoid regulations on asbestos tear it down and be forced to build new but don’t have to do hazard pay if you do it yourself

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

rickosborne Seems everybody is overlooking a very important fact !!!! This building was NOT owned by the city, it was owned by a private citizen, IF the city wanted to save the building then they need to step up and buy the property at fair market value. IF I own a building then I decide what I do with it !!!

@bearinmind50

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142if you own a building you still have to follow all related laws and ordinances.

@user-ip5dm6jf8k

Ай бұрын

Part of erin mendenhalls plan to build more BOX " condos" uglifying Salt Lake City.

@Helladamnleet

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 No, you owning a building doesn't allow you to just potentially release asbestos, or mold, or lead paint, or sewage, or natural gas into the air, or bust a water main because you did a clandestine demo without an engineer involved.

Sounds like the demolition crew started on Easter Sunday to avoid all the regulations. Whomever ordered the demolition and the crew doing the demolition should be required to foot the expense to rebuild the property back.

@morthomer5804

Ай бұрын

Names.

@prometheusrex1

Ай бұрын

Who did this?? Time to find out and hold accountable.

@SMichaelDeHart

Ай бұрын

@prometheusrex1 exactly!! Wonder why the so-called "Journalists" didn't ask those questions.

@prometheusrex1

Ай бұрын

Other reporting shows that an affiliate of Jordan Atkin -- a Salt Lake developer connected with Tag SLC -- is responsible for this. Under the law, the city must now require them to fully restore the building.

@60687

Ай бұрын

Salt lake doesn’t seem to keen on making anyone face consequences for anything. Why would they do anything here?

Developer did it on purpose.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

corvette It was HIS building !!!! City wanted it saved step up and buy the building nd property at the fair market value. Then they can do with it what THEY wanted !! !

@haroldwhite5761

Ай бұрын

Developer forgot to bribe Mendenhall like other developers have. Because when the mayor illegally destroys a historic theater, it's OK?

This has been happening in downtown Salt Lake. Old buildings all of a sudden catch on fire and they blame it on the homeless trying to start a fire to stay warm, then all of a sudden there goes another apartment building.

FYI: Other reporting shows that an affiliate of Jordan Atkin -- a Salt Lake developer connected with Tag SLC -- is responsible for this. Under the law, the city must now require them to fully restore the building.

@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958

Ай бұрын

They will make some campaign contributions and all will be forgiven. Its never going to be restored.

@KadieJ501

Ай бұрын

Shame on him! I hope they can sue him as well

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

@@KadieJ501 Its HIS building he can do with it what he wants !!!! NThe city wants it save, then buy it at the fair market value !!!

@Helladamnleet

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 False. He bought a historic landmark knowing the laws surrounding historic landmarks.

@TGWazoo1

Ай бұрын

@Helladamnleet Maybe. The owner may have already owned it though when some busy body had it declared an historic site. Nobody buys a historic site on purpose unless they are non-profit historical society because it’s a trap and money pit you get stuck with.

It tells a lot that the demo was started on Easter Sunday.

You people cannot say who gave the work order and also the name of the demolition company? Coward news people

@graytabbygehrke1352

Ай бұрын

😢I think the lawyers have to shuffle some legal papers before the press can name names. Unlike the construction company, they don't work on Sundays or especially Easter. Got it ?

@idwtgymn

Ай бұрын

They don't know who gave the work order (a fact they did say) and the demo company may have done nothing illegal, we don't know who sidestepped the regulations here or if they even did so intentionally, so smearing the hired work's name would not be right.

@landijunior

Ай бұрын

There is no more journalism, only sensationalism.

Sounds like a developer was trying to skirt restrictions and started the demo on Easter, when he thought no one would notice. He should be required to rebuild it back like it was.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

hvfd It was his building he can do what he wants !!! ANd I bet he was paying the taxes on the property !!!! City wanted it preserved as histori, then step up and BUY it at fair market value. a man owns a building it is HIS and he can do what he wants with it !!!

@randomrazr

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 not if its heritage designated which the developer would ahve know before buying the property

Something sounds fishy about this incident. Something doesn't make sense.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

hermenutic NOTHING fishy at all !!! The owner demolished HIS building !!! The city did not own the building !!!! DUUUUHHH!!!!!

@user-wp8vk6ro6y

15 күн бұрын

Fun fact no one starts or works construction on a Sunday unless you are up to something.

@user-wp8vk6ro6y

15 күн бұрын

I didn't build the new wing at Saint marks on a Sunday, or build heromon Jr high on a Sunday both in sl County. Infact do any residential or commercial property construction on a Sunday.

Yeah, I'd say there was a level of deliberacy with a nefarious plan. An investigation is in order.

Easier to beg for forgiveness, than ask permission.

@poollife777

Ай бұрын

That's an evil way to think.

@greatplainsman3662

Ай бұрын

@@poollife777 evil but truth

@user-wp8vk6ro6y

15 күн бұрын

Yes the well all to known Mormon way of things.

Salt Lake has no commitment to local preservation. I am not anti-development but there's something to be said about the character of a city and we're slowly losing it.

@Cynthia-Landers

Ай бұрын

But there wasn't any demolition permit

@velocirapture89

Ай бұрын

This statement may be correct, I haven't been there in a while (I live in So. Utah), but this story makes it very clear that the demo was done illegally. That's got nothing to do with the city's commitment.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

@@Cynthia-Landers WHY would there have to be IF the demolition was done by the owner ??? You forget the owner demolished it !!! His building he can do what he wants with it !!! This is AMERICA !!!!

@bearinmind50

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142America has laws and regulations. You can’t just go anywhere and do anything you want.

@haroldwhite5761

Ай бұрын

Especially hypocritical when the mayor approved an illegal destruction of a historic theater downtown just a few yrs ago. She couldn't say no to big developers' $$$

LAWSUIT!!!

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

WHY ??? The owner demolished it !!!

These things don’t happen by accident… look at what time they were working… and what they demolished in that short period

Make the contractor build it back, he has insurance to pay for it

@idwtgymn

Ай бұрын

You have no idea how much worse off everyone is because of that "stick it to the business owner, they have money" attitude you just expressed.

@user-pp2ze4yq3m

Ай бұрын

@@idwtgymn-- How so? They damaged someone else's property! You're saying they shouldn't be held responsible? That's madness, friend. But keep drinking that business-can-do-no-wrong Kool-Aid. :(

@idwtgymn

Ай бұрын

@@user-pp2ze4yq3m A developer demolished his own property through a hired third party. This is not a vandelism issue.

@user-pp2ze4yq3m

Ай бұрын

@@idwtgymn-- And you know this how? Credible sources please!

@idwtgymn

Ай бұрын

@@user-pp2ze4yq3m It is clear from this video.

Force the company to rebuild it brick by brick, and if that bankrupts them so be it - pull their licenses permanently.

@zodwraith5745

Ай бұрын

At the very least this should warrant the company and individuals involved to never be able to pull another building permit. They knew _exactly_ what they were doing.

I bet it was purposely done by the city. The zoning in that area will magically change in a few months to accommodate high rise apartments.

@AstroMagi

Ай бұрын

The city stopped the demolition.

@LuckyBaldwin777

Ай бұрын

My money's on the developer. He is the one that stands to make more money if the building is destroyed.

@GT5005

Ай бұрын

@@LuckyBaldwin777 I agree. Greed and corruption is out of control these days.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

@@LuckyBaldwin777 Absolutely !!! His building he can do what he wants with it !!!

Who demolishes a building on Easter Sunday?

@guardianangel9517

Ай бұрын

Not someone very Godly

Somebody should be held accountable and arrested and prosecuted for breaking the law regardless of the building status.

@Novusod

Ай бұрын

It would be a civil matter, not a criminal case. The owner will be sued and have to pay to rebuild it.

@johnkeviljr9625

Ай бұрын

@@Novusod I think the City might see it as breaking the law. No permits etc. That's criminal. Minor, but criminal.

WHO IS THE OWNER THAT AUTHORIZED THE DEMOLITION ORDER

@RubyTuesday-kx3up

Ай бұрын

Bank owned\state owned Doesn't matter. But there are many safety reasons for a demolition permit

@60687

Ай бұрын

Jordan Atkins

@user-wp8vk6ro6y

15 күн бұрын

Most likely a Mormon that will get away with it, as all Mormons do in the state of Utah.

This was no accident !

You probably won't see anything in the way of restitution for this. The development company will file for bankruptcy. The person or persons who made the decision are most likely insulated by several layers of companies. The development company is most likely a subsidiary of a subsidiary. Who contracted with a different subsidiary to acquire the services of a demolition company. After filing for bankruptcy the subsidiary will be reorganized into one of the parent companies or sold to a different subsidiary and at that point the property will no longer contain a building that is a historic landmark since the original subsidiary went bankrupt and could not afford the restoration. It will just be one large shell game.

Owner ordered demolition Easter weekend to make sure it would be too late before anyone in government could act. My dad was a real estate developer and used the same trick Nobody will go to jail for this, its a less serious crime than being caught with a joint.

I'd be very surprised if it happened, folk with money always seem wiggle out of taking responsibility, but I'd love it if they had to rebuild the portions they tore down.

So what is the penalty for this? Monetary damages? Loss of contracting license? Fines? Someone PAID those workers to engage in this CRIMINAL activity.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

timothy Its not criminal to tear down YOUR own building !!!

@timothyporter1632

Ай бұрын

@@wilburfinnigan2142 it is if it has been designated as a hysterical building.

Wow. Now what?? What's done is done. Very disappointing. No accountability whatsoever.

I'd be looking deep deep into what really happened and WHO really wanted this done.

Oh, that's AWFUL.

We had a similar situation in Auckland NZ. Owner of a plot of land cut down a protected tree that was in the middle of the plot. Court made them replant another tree elsewhere on the site but the kicker was the plot is not allowed to be built on until the new tree is the age of the one felled. 60+ years from memory.

@wilburfinnigan2142

Ай бұрын

derekmills Thats NZ NOT AMERICA !!!!

I’m guessing the owner knew they wouldn’t get a permit and just wanted it destroyed before anyone could stop them. The land is worth more with high rise apartments built on it. SLC greed at its finest.

Make them rebuild it .

The developer responded: Hey, this is Utah, we didn't think we needed a permit.

@velocirapture89

Ай бұрын

Ha, this is genuinely funny!

They are "trying to figure out what happened.." as in they are trying to figure out why they were stopped. Make the developer pay to rebuild it

Why start on a Sunday? Investigate top to bottom. 🇺🇸

If I was a developer and regulation was getting in my way, I would chose a day or night where fewer people would be around and have the building quickly demolished. I would then claim I had nothing to do with it, go to court, get my fines, then develop the property. How blind can you be to not see what’s really happening. Force the developer to repair the building.

Buyer beware. If the Church sells you property with an old building on it? Make sure the city can’t slap an historical label on it!

They knew, should do what they do over here in the UK when a listed or historic building is demolished and get them to rebuild it to exact specifications and fine them. It will cost them a lot of money.

People just don't have common sense anymore 🤦

not a problem ,restore the building or pay for the restoration by a third party with oversight at all phases of the restoration

What is going on with these developers? We have a woman that a house was wrongfully built on her land and the developer is suing everyone, even the landowner to have the judge sort it out.

@velocirapture89

Ай бұрын

Yep, I heard about that one. Crazy.

"We want you to tear down a building. Heres the address. You did what?!" 😆

I'm sorry to hear that

Seems to be suspicious that large demo equipment moved into your place without the city having knowledge and no permit. I call BS. Developer meet council people, bought lunch and started project.

Revoke their license and time served.

No explanation of who ordered a demolition crew to rip up this building on an Easter morning?

April Fools?

Not a mystery at all, one of three possibilities. One, a blatant disregard for historic registry status and doing a Mayor Daly (Meigs Field) juat to say, "well, that's that...too late now. Two, a mistake. Wrong address. Three, a construction worker of say undocumented status and where English is a second or third language...not full able to read or understand these protections just did what someone told him to do. Which kind of takes us back to the first reason.

It sounds like the City snuck in and declared it a historic building only after the sale? That's pretty crooked. You can't do that.

Oh wow, sucks that this was severely vandalized!

Did someone ever pay for the owner to be deprived of use of his property? How does the process of being identified as a historical building by the city work? What makes this a particular historic building?

Working Easter morning to do something that wasn't supposed to be done? Something is way off.

Someone wanted this remove…? Or was this a true mistake?

a professional journalist would have asked the person who DID the demolition work "Hey, what's going ON ?"

@rodrod383

Ай бұрын

instead they ask two random dudes that are equally clueless

This thing also happened here in the UK. There was this historic pub that was wonky. As it was historic, you're not allowed to demolish it. The owners want to build on the land. So they had the building set on fire and then quickly demolished. Now, there are demands that the owners rebuild it to historic levels.

This happened in Jacksonville and the people were allowed to just go ahead and make their parking lot. What in the heck. I hope to goodness these people have to pay for this you can never replace it.

They knew they had to have a permit, why else would they be there on an Easter Sunday morning. They were trying to get away an illegal demolition. They definitely should be made to restore the part they demolished and fined.

Judging by that excavator, it's a real high dollar excavation company

... "What happened" is you knew you'd never get approval to demo it so you didn't even tried and were HOPING to pass it off as a miscommunication later on.

The building owner should be required to restore the building & the demolition company needs to lose it's license.

They knew exactly what they were doing, they tried to knock it down quickly on a holiday and then say “whoops”, so they could then develop it and make a ton of money. The developer needs to be hit with a large fine and have their ability to operate in the area revoked.

@jamessimms415

Ай бұрын

Developer is a buddy of the Mayor or someone on the council

Wow, how would they restore the part that was demolished? Are the authorities sure the plans can even still be found in order to rebuild accurately? And of course the bricks won't get put back into all the same places. How would that even work?

The city should make the demolition company pay for restoration!

This is so bad!!

That seems quite deliberate.

A classic case of ask for forgiveness rather than permission.

"Then, after the demolition..." * Partial demolition.

Who the heck makes that kind of mistake? Who sent a demolition crew there and why? You don’t “accidentally” tear something down.

I’m starting to think this was a hate crime. This just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever!

That’s sad

The "neighbors" were upset??? Would that be the homeless people hiding in the dumpster?

So Jordan Atkins did this???

They did that to all the Famous 100 year old oak trees in Freeport, CA about a week or two ago! What is going on? Who is tearing down all the amazing landmarks in the USA? People know what they are doing and need to go to prison.

In Chicago, a number of years ago, the then Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of King Richard the First) ordered crews to demolish the runways at Meigs Field starting at midnight. This was a small airport on Lake Michigan for private planes that he didn't like and wanted to turn into a park. Planes were left stranded, with no runways left to take off from.

Most developers abide by "ask for forgiveness, not permission". Nothing will happen them.

They started the demo on Easter Sunday? In Utah? Seriously? They need to be fined massively and required to restore the building as well, in my opinion. I don't know law at all, but this is my opinion.

It was an LDS church building AND nirvana played there? Wow, what a unique building. There's probably no other building in the world for which those two things are true. I hope they restore it.

Very slippery!

"Whoops"

This is definitely a fly by demo company. Who demos a building in a excavator without even a windshield?

Sad

has to be more to the story than reported

What was that contractor thinking, or were they thinking? That was a beautiful old building, they tried the same type of thing I in Ithaca NY with the Clinton House Hotel and the Boardmabn House, and also the Gothic dorm buildings at Cornell University when they built new dorm buildings on West Campus in the early. 2000 s.

What a shame isn’t the demolition company that destroyed it liable for damages or whatever has to happen because they destroyed the wrong building and how could they get that so wrong this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of something like this but with people’s house’s it’s ridiculous ‼️‼️

Foreign $$ that have LLC's out of Nevada, working with local Commercial RE's and Developers throughout the US.

If you think this was a mistake then I have a bridge to sell you as well.

The company that started the demolition should be forced to restore the building back to 100 percent of the pre-demo conditions.

Doesn't sound accidental to me. A lot of the stories of accidental demolition is deliberate. Someone with a lot of money and power wanted that land and they are going to get it.

Follow the money

I smell a lawsuit brewing

Wow!😮

They definitely removed all the trees first, probably accidentally hit it when they were logging and tried to cover it up with a bs story

Yet no one said anything about the wrongful demolition of the Plaestine university. People only care about themselves.

OOps.....Sorry........ Developer needs to restore!

There is no context to this story. There are barely enough pertinent facts to infer a likely motive. Did the owner hire the demolition crew? Was the wrong building destroyed by mistake? From what little useful information was provided, it seems that governments declared the building to be an historic landmark that forces the owner to spend money to preserve and protect the building that may no longer have a productive use. If so, the people who want to preserve it should BUY the building rather than weaponize government to force the owner to preserve the building for them.

Had defacto permission from the government

👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

Someone is out a lot of money AND there will be fines also. Want to bet he skips?

"WE don't need know stinking permits!"

merica it’s funny what people with authority do until it hits the fan

I don't think this wrongful demolition was a coincidence. There's a lot of hate toward the Church in the urban areas of Utah. Edit to add: and on Easter, too! A known Christian holiday! This can't be a coincidence.

@Hdu3u3he83be

Ай бұрын

Oh no it’s almost like all of these religions have caused harm to people and members use it as an excuse of hate 😊 (not all) so maybe just maybe it’s not a coincidence too that ppl don’t like y’all 🎉

@bakedinspiration

Ай бұрын

@@Hdu3u3he83beit’s almost like Jesus loves you but since you live inside your own head you neglect your soul his love and light. So Sad, but many such cases!

@DavidJackson-fs8bp

Ай бұрын

The Church doesn't own or has any ties to it anymore. It's been the cities building for awhile now

@EmilyS-gk3st

Ай бұрын

@@DavidJackson-fs8bp But question is, does everyone know that? Even if so, does it still look like one of the Church's chapels? Did it once serve as one, and still maintain its form to this day? Have people expressed hatred that the Church has had influence on Utah's culture?

@tfrogd17

Ай бұрын

City buildings based on historical context should be preserved, church or not. But this is a matter of zoning regulation not of religion. And I'm very sure Christianity has displayed more hatred than a single individual or a gathering to detest the religion.