Woah, boy is this an old video. Thanks for all the new views guys, it means a lot! Just dropping in to say one thing. I should have been clear in this video that some of these things are more appropriately considered 'Tropes' rather than cliches. The good news is that I did a video talking about the important differences kzread.info/dash/bejne/ineZtthvnqm_hJc.html

@cameoshadowness7757

3 жыл бұрын

What if you want to do a mystery that isn't murder or harm based?

The Man with the Moustache and His Evil Overlord Kitty (the series). That sounds like a bestseller.

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

You might be onto something there!

@scribble1403

4 жыл бұрын

Omg some one make a book out of that

I could never write a mystery novel, at least, not one that could be taken seriously. I think I would be able to write a PARODY of mystery novels. In fact, I'll do it write now. THE DUDE ON THE TOILET A wealthy aristocrat was hosting a party, and the next day, all the guests were dead. The only witnesses were the aristocrat's 27 butlers and a guest who was taking a dump when the whole thing happened. In response, Sherman Holmes, a retired detective with a drinking problem is called in to solve the case of who did it.

@idonteatspiders2986

4 жыл бұрын

I'd read the fuck outta this

@marchingflute5181

4 жыл бұрын

Draw inspiration from "Who Killed Markiplier" maybe?

@californiacombativesclub202

3 жыл бұрын

@@idonteatspiders2986 me toooo

*The man in the apartment with the window.* Hilarious.

The third cliché made me think of the difference between the movie adaptation and the book, Horns. In the movie, the murderer is shown as this great, helpful guy and is used as a twist. In the book though, the murderer is given away early. This may not make for a good twist, but I loved it because I didn't have to think as much about "who dunnit" and instead I could learn more about how/why he dunnit. And the (sort of) twist is ultimately the answer to how/why. I'm probably not explaining it well, but I thought it was a unique way of writing the mystery and it obviously resonated with me well.

him: dont make the detective a drunk person with a trama- stranger things: *damn you......*

@CamWolfeAuthor

3 жыл бұрын

haha Hopper is so cool though 😩

I'm worried that your kitty and my kitty will end up in a battle for dominion over mankind that will lead to life as we know it being completely destroyed

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha it could happen though... 🤔

@danecobain

6 жыл бұрын

I'd like to think that my Biggie would come to humanity's defence but I think he might be too lazy ^_^

@dandanthedandan7558

4 жыл бұрын

Make the plot twist "the cat did it"

I agree as a fan of the genre that mystery is something very difficult to get right. Personally, I prefer a satisfying reveal that I was able to guess from the information given over one that is cliche or doesn't make sense (or that the reader couldn't possibly guess). In terms of titles, I'm quite partial to the play on words, something picked up from my love of police/detective shows like CSI.

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Crime shows sure do love their puns and wordplay 😂

I didn't know "the character in the place" was a mystery thriller cliche, but I'm sick of it as it's everywhere and when it's a movie title, it makes me not want to see the movie because ... ugh.

"I'm thinking about writing a mystery, thriller novels." "About a retired detective who uses imperical evidence, to solve his last murder."

The face on the wall

"what about the passive voice, and the active voice in writing."

"The man on the Toilet." Lol

Loving the mustache! And I am writing/ planning a thriller mystery-ish and I knew of these cliches but it's always good to be reminded that they aren't necessarily bad but like you said use it and make it your own. Thanks!!

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! 😊

There is a movie called “The woman in the window” I think coming out soon. Looks good actually lol

All right, you won me over. Your writing cliches series is tremendous. Subscriber for life. More videos like this, please. The trailers had me cracking up, including the toilet one. haha

@CamWolfeAuthor

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Lou!! 😊

Love this series! As you mentioned, sometimes these cliches can be annoying, but they're tropes because of something! So mayyyyybe sometimes, they're no so bad :D

4:13 - there is a real *mystery* in the backround...

@bootsontheground4913

4 жыл бұрын

Michal Lukáč good eye

@missrebel634

4 жыл бұрын

Its a cat...or is it?

Ahh hahaha the toilet seat scene... urgh Cam!!! Love that you were speaking about my favorite genre, though.

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Hope I didn't ruin any of your favs!

So many of these cliches are why I've never been drawn to this genre. But it's not fair, because I haven't actually tried it.

I'm glad I watch this I almost did one of this cliches and it didn't feel right but this helped me get the story on a better side.

Haha! The Character In The Place!!! I want someone to write that book now. XD

The next episode is horror? Yes, please! I love this series.

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lad 😊

This was very helpful! Thanks, Cam :)

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

No worries! 😊

4:12 I didn't expect that cat in the background

Tropes are hilarious. I burst out laughing at most of them when they are articulated to me. It would be a good topic of study for comedians.

Some day I want to see the Mystery twist be....that there is no twist.

I'm planning to write a horror-mystery about a man trying to solve his own disappearance. Thanks for this vid, my ideas so far aren't falling into the cliche category. lol

I love this series, it just gave me another story idea that I never thought of. More More More LOL

You've taught me a lot about what to avoid in my writing with great humour. Thank you, invaluable.

@CamWolfeAuthor

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad I could help

I have a question about avoiding those clichés because I'm writing my first mystery story. This reality, I had in mind is a dieselpunk/decopunk world in the year 1935, and it's run by anthropomorphic animals (so there are no humans in this world). So, I was wondering how would you make your story interesting, and avoiding those clichés?

I love the intro!

What about Westerns? That could be fun.

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Good idea!

Tropes are not cliches. There is nothing new under the sun - if you can imagine a story premise - it has probably been thought of before - writing is an art as much as a technique - so it's the 'how' not the 'what' that makes the difference between mediocre and great.

@CamWolfeAuthor

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, I've got a pinned comment just above that gives a bit more clarification on exactly this 🙂 Thanks for watching!

You are making me want to look for, and watch, 'REAR WINDOW' with Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly! LOL!

Oooooooo I gotta get the man on the chair! ^_^ I love mystery thrillers though, seriously.

You should do action/adventure

The intro was unsuspected, lol. Great video though

The train. Writing a train mystery Hmmmmmm *happiness gasp* Thank youuuuuu

Please do one on Psychological Horror... :-D Thank you for all these...they really help

well, this video was quite good, really helped me a lot.

@CamWolfeAuthor

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I hate it when the bad guy is someone that has not been in the book at all before the big reveal and suddenly they are there and is trying to kill the main characters.

The seventh day what is the seventh seventh day of what Me : on the seventh day of Christmas

Some good advice here.

Always love these videos :) If your ever in need for a good thriller/ crime novel Alex by Pierre Lemaitre is the best crime/thriller ive ever read. It won all the prizes, and has your cop back for one last go guilt pleasure troop in. However i did pick it up not knowing it was the second book in the series, the first one is called Irene. I cant recommend this book as havent read it but if you read alex first you spoil book 1 plot twist :)

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Holly! 😄

One of the things I want to do, but I keep stalling on is writing an urban fantasy mystery. I'm not sure if it will just be murder mysteries, but I do like the idea of finding a stolen artifact

THE DOG IN THE BLENDER

If everyone avoids cliches, then there won't be any more cliches thus allowing us to use them.

@LemTheDemon

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

there's also the superfluous character who turns out to be the big culprit [going back to 'the butler did it']

what if the plot twist of a story is that the killer is running for president? to crazy?

The washed up alcoholic detective who has lost a partner who's coming back for one last job. Damn, you just roasted Scream 5 lol.

YUSS! I have none of those. :D

Thanks, I'm currently writing my own novel and I am putting these cliches down so I don't use them

so for trope 5 what if the villan just started a chase and then he got away leaving the book's squeal as a man hunt

A stronger trope on the redeemed washout is, the rabbit hole chaser vs popular opinion. Its not so much the clues that the detectives miss, its the questions they cant answer or wont entertain without rock solid evidence, and how the rabbit hole chase demonstrates theres more involved. Because you can put even normal characters in that role in their driven hunger for truth.

This one got me thinking about how would a mystery story work with something along the lines of how the old Columbo tv show did it? Also in addition to horror what about military fiction?

@brandonhicks9926

4 жыл бұрын

Columbo was clever at the time. He pretended to be a bumbling detective but was actually like Sherlock Holmes

now lets flip the cliches upside down and keep spinning them until they turn to unique mystery butter! :D

I have a fantasy mystery idea but i have like have no idea how to do that properly

Look at you growing out your facial hair. 👏👏👏

@CamWolfeAuthor

6 жыл бұрын

It's already gone again 😂

Speaking of 'A Character in the Place', the title of Murder on the Orient Express makes sense because the plot involves someone who was murdered inside a passenger train.

all five cliches used in one novel 'the girl on the train'/ yet i loved that novel

PLEASE tell me what the music is on 1:13 I heard it in Handplates too and I'm bloody obsessed with it-!

God rests on the seventh day

lol I just realized JK Rowling used the cliche detective trope with that cormoron strikes series she wrote

you should do meta tropes.

*Laughs in Stranger Things Jim Hopper*

*sighs with relief* none of these cliches exist in my thriller 😂 I actually wrote with the intention to avoid all of these.

You should do paranormal

Whats the song in the the outro?

Great. I got partly called out.

Forgive me for the unrelated question, but what's the intro song?

Whats the outro song?

Well in a mystery story I’m trying to come up with there is a fake out protagonist who supposedly gets killed off at the beginning and doesn’t show up again except for a few brief mentions of him, after the fake protagonist supposedly dies the real protagonist goes through all the death and mayhem and stuff it is revealed that the real protagonist was behind everything, anyways after a few sequels it is revealed that the fake protagonist was the one behind it and the real protagonist (fake protagonists brother) was essentially used as a distraction so the fake protagonist could continue without suspicion. I think that I might have the final twist a tad bit too complicated even though I have planned out various clues I don’t want anyone figuring it out right away so I put some other clues to distract the audience from the real mystery, at one point the fake protagonist even bribes a politician to use him as another red herring. Anyway I haven’t actually made this yet and just wanted your thoughts on whether or not the final twist is good. Edit: Also the bad guy (who is a demon who enlisted fake protagonist to help come up with this incredibly elaborate plot) ends up technically winning in the end but is defeated at the last second by another demon who was supposedly helping the good guys but just wanted to harvest the negative emotions of the human race to create a portal to another dimension.

@wakanakamulan2152

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds cooooooooooooooooool

Crazy Rich Asians have millions of "cliches" that are not told in different ways or does not have plot twist that could make it different from the usual "cliches" but both the book and movie are hits sooo...!?!?

why is the begining of this video kylo ren

What about "Corpses don't lie"?

Lol I watched a few of these expecting to have like every cliche ever. But nah I'm pretty original -e-mail (I'm writing a horror book, set in a fantasy world, and the main character is the serial killer, and it's from his pov )

@ragtag1757

5 жыл бұрын

*btw not e-mail (can't edit)

I love cliche 4 tho

The woman in the window, 2020. He was ahead.

Wow. I don't write in this genre at all. So I effortlessly avoid all these cliches. Mystery is not my thing. There are very few I like. I like them because they have something ese good besides the mystery. Detective Pikachu has realistic Pokemon. Who Framed Roger Rabbit similarly has cartoons in real life. Zootopia has furries. My favorite mystery is the Robert Langdon books by Dan Brown. The mystery is interesting and thrilling. However the best part in my opinion is the mystical ideas that are explored. I especially like the secret societies. This kind of thing would fit well in fantasy instead. The most famous book in the series is the DaVinci Code. The title avoids the title cliche you mentioned, but it still gives good mystery and intrigue. What is being said in the paintings of DaVinci? How does this relate to Mary Magdaline and the Holy Grail? You do have a sad detective as the main character. It does remind me of the detective in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Pikachu in Detective Pikachu is a play on it. He did loose a parter in the past. The partner death was subverted. People think there was a death when there is actual survival. Pikachu had amnesia, so he didn't have memories to wallow in. He also drinks lots of coffee instead of booze. I find the concept of thriller difficult to wrap my mind around. It is based on making something exciting. However excitig stuff happens all the time. It is practically a requirement in horro and action. It also mixes really well with fantasy and sci fi. I notice that the videos are listed from order of what I am more into than less into. First my favorite genre is fantasy. I am obsessed with it. My second favorite is romance. I don't go gaga over this genre like some readers. However I do enjoy the mushy stuff as long as its done right and there are other things in a story. Then there is sci fi. I can get into a bit. It is related to my favorite genre. I also like science. So there are some science fiction stories I like. Examples are Star Wars, Lilo and Stitch, Jurassic Park and Marvel movies. My favorite is Avatar. I guess one thing that makes Avatar different is that it focuses more on the ecology of an alien world as opposed to the technology. The Na'vi and thier natural environment is very interesting and appealing for me. So it is sort of like how some fantasy stories focus more on the otherwordly and not so much on human technology and civilization. I am not into mystery and horror as much. So they are last. If you need more video ideas, I would personally like to see another romance one. The first romance video is great. This is the prt where cliches trip me up the most. I got some ideas. I don't know what are official names so I will give a brief description. Instalove is a cliche where lovers fall in love right away. Slow burn tease is where people hang out and it takes way to long to hook up. Bad boy is a cliche where the male lover is nauty and thrill seeking. Soul mates may or may not be cliche. A couple has a special connection. They bond for life. Changing the lover is where the main character influinces the lover to change. I think the worst cliche in romance is the abusive relationship. To be honest, it is problematic and overused. One can do thier instalove and love triangles. They will be good as long as they don't use the abusive relationship. This cliche is when one lover displays abusive behavior toward another. I have experienced abuse in my personal life. It is by family members and not by any significant others. Abuse is not lovely at all. It is actually a living hell. I have enjoyed stories with this trope, but I am well aware that the trope is problematic. I think the main draw is to have the bad boy trope, which a guilty pleasure of mine. With practice I do learn to balance between a lover that is too nasty and abusive and a lover that is too goody and boring. I can give the love interest some creepy things. Th guy can look creepy. He may live in a creepy house. He can do some morally questionable things as long as it is done in moderation. However deep down the guy is a good person. He is kind and moral. Most importantly he has to treat the female with a decent about of respect. Some arguments and conflict is okay. It just has to be in careful moderation. There should never be any signs or red flags for abuse. With practice I am getting better at striking the balence for male love interest characters.

4:05 cat

what if you write a fairly obvious twist then the real twist comes on like the good guy is actually bad but then he actually isnt the bad guy because he was framed by the real bead guy or something like that

sinister mustache

Ok, just wanted to throw my opinion in here because I really liked this video. I really don't like the "invincible hero" Cliche where he always wins & gets the girl. I dislike the "Hero falls for the woman he can't have yet continues to pursue" Thing, that's getting old to me. I'm getting annoyed by the "Girl who falls for the first guy to be nice to her" Thing, that's also becoming quite old & over used. Just want to give my opinion. Love your videos. Keep up the awesomeness!!!

Horror please

Fast forward thru filler to 2:10 for start of “content” :)

In my Novell the husband of my Protagonist is the bad guy. How do i make this interesting?

@Eren0_00

4 ай бұрын

Make him the last guy readers would think of as the villain . By making other characters suspicious

Song in intro?

@CamWolfeAuthor

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKmrwbFufbibc6g.html 😊

Nooooooo Not "the man on the toilet" it's nasty man 😢

3:19: What happens on the seventh day? God rested, you heathen. 😉😄

Why does he look like Jeff winger but more attractive

Sequel: *The man on the man*

interesting points but really...EDIT>>>>could've said it in 2 mins

old intro > new intro

About titles. Something that I see a lot, tho more in movies, is the use of "adventures" especially detective and adventure movies and I know that is an adventure but please Please PLEASE P L E A S E STop with The [some big word of amazement] of [caracter's name]

lazar beam ?

YOU LOOK LIKE JOHNNY RAMONE

Writing cliches to avoid what?

Welp you just called 90% of Noir a cliche. Let's see if you can destroy any more genres.

Cliche number one for making "How to" you Tube videos: cut the video after every sentence.

@CamWolfeAuthor

4 жыл бұрын

I mean if you wanted the video to be twice as long just to hear my breathing and awkward pauses, I could take that on board 😂