I completely agree with what Mr. Englander is saying here. Often I have found that I connect with a novel much more deeply when I make an emotional connection with it. Emotions are something that are at the core of humanity, and I think that they are also at the core of great writing.

Holy hell he has writer's eyes... and writer's bags. That being said, brilliant advice.

This video is apt advice. I think we underestimate and limit what we think we know. Often, it is also an exploration between author and reader to test the limit of something we believe we know. Also, we can go out and learn and then know more things. Every day is more knowing. If you don't know, find out. You can even write about finding it out, since you will know what trying to find out and know something (specifically that goal or in general) could be like.

Exactly what I thought. Thanks for putting it into words. "Write the emotions you know."

@kandirussell5024

4 жыл бұрын

Yup

@cameronwilber2474

3 жыл бұрын

@@kandirussell5024 Lmao these nerds haven't experienced pain yet

@kandirussell5024

3 жыл бұрын

@@cameronwilber2474 not the kind that makes you have to take a break in the middle of a paragraph so you can take time to cry... because you triggered your own traumatic memories. Funny but serious too

@cameronwilber2474

3 жыл бұрын

@@kandirussell5024 damn you already responded?

@kandirussell5024

3 жыл бұрын

@@cameronwilber2474 lol

That's some good philosophy there. I see only one flaw in that advice; Sometimes I know far less than I thought I knew.

Excellent point, Nathan Englander. LOL at writing a book called "Little House On The Prairie's On At Five O' Clock."

articulated perfectly. knowing the emotion and applying it in different ways

Excellent advice. Not that I dislike writers but my view of writers changed for the better.

incredibly good advice much appreciated!

Cheap writing is about events, good writing is about people, and deep writing is about ideas.

I've gained a lot from this and will definitely incorporate these ideas into my own writing.

I think the biggest problem I have is that I want other people to like my writing. I'm so busy trying to imagine what they might think when reading my story that it almost blocks my train of thoughts... And that can be really frustrating cause what I love most about writing is that you just rely on what's in YOUR head, and what YOU feel, and if others like that too...well, then JACKPOT! But actually you should do it for no one but yourself, right?

deep down ray was thinking of stephanie while writing fahrenheit. books like twilight are the reason people are so immature today.

Great! Now all I need is the "writing" part.

I have to agree with Diego on this one. A Big Mac is junk food for your body, and the Twilight series is junk food for your mind. How much "Oh, Edward" and "Oh, Bella" and mope, mope, mope can you deal with in one series? If you want trash, watch any tv show with a Kardashian in it. If you want good accessible and fun writing, there are a lot of better authors out there - you just have to look for them. Ask your local librarian, they usually give the best suggestions.

Oh hell yeah! GREAT ADVICE!

Ahh Anne Rice's Interview with the vampire series is an extremely good series! Almost all her books connect into this one continuum of supernatural beings running into each other, but all these beings are not the stereotypical sort! You have vampires, then a unique breed of witches, and then a spawn of nonhuman called the taltos that was birthed between a spirit and a which. I recommend most of her books^^

its the feeling that counts not the degree , as long that you know how it feel to (want) something then you can write about that feeling, it doesn't matter if i wanted an atari or wanted a child , since I know how it is like to want something I can use this emotion in my writings

@loahnuh It's not the fact that people are enjoying something simple, it's the fact that these low brow works receive so much more praise than something more artistic. It's settling is what it is. People don't want to be challenged. And I guess it depends on what you mean by downfall. I consider devolution a downfall.

i read it because my friend asked me too, and i had to stay at my grandmothers house for two weeks, i read all the other books/comics/manga that i brought, so i read it, there wasn't much else to do, and i wanted to see what the hype was. overall the basic plot wasn't that bad, it just needs to be written better, but i feel if it was written any other way, it wouldn't be as popular as it is, if not then teenage girls would be obsessing over the vampire lestat, not edward

Being good at something is success. Success is relative to the goal in question, not a special place for billionaires. Cheers

This is an incredibly insightful response I think. Good job.

i think it's a bit of both, but there is also the standards of our society to put to mind, in that encourages crappy material/art/music/products/etc.

So you're saying that if it was stylistically more appealing then it would be a good book?

simplicity at its best and finest :)

"In truth, none of us are perfect" ... Who/What would be a perfect individual? What kind of acts, attributes, etc? Would this individual have

Very good advice, as he's re-interpretted. Worst advice possible if you misunderstand it.

If you found Twilight difficult to read and horrible, why did you waste your time reading it? It reminds me of how when you ask someone who says they dislike Stephen King's novels "how many have you read?", they always list 3 or 4. Then the question becomes: "why would you sit through 3 or 4 crappy books?" The answer is, you don't really dislike them. There had to be something there. Unless you're a martyr, you must've relatively enjoyed reading Twilight, if you finished it beginning to end.

wow, thank you, i will treasure them always

This guy is good. Really good.

Read Politics & the English Language by George Orwell. Everyone. I beg you.This is good advice on the ideas behind writing, but that's the best advice on the process of writing.

Honestly what does it matter? What does it matter if Teenage girls enjoy reading Twilight? What does it matter that other people enjoy simpler things? Let them "poison" themselves; how does it affect you, besides that feeling of annoyance you get when you see the latest advertisement for the Twilight films or the Kardashian's on a tabloid rag? It's not like it'll lead to the downfall of modern civilization or anything.

If that is the person who I think it is then Truth has been spoken by you my friend.

So weird, i was talking about this with a friend today!

I always write down my epiphanies, works as well

D: Yes. I'm just gonna go cry in a corner now.

@cameronwilber2474

3 жыл бұрын

hey man welcome to 2021

HA!! I skipped the ad!

Care to post those words? This should be gold.

It seemed like they didn't even go with the Big Ending Big Think music at the end. Atari? well...

Mentioning Kardashians and Jersey Shore is overly played and deceptively incorrect. Neither should be automatically disregarded as trash, because both are rife with value. In truth, none of us are perfect. These shows grant us third party participation to view both imperfections and triumphs of the individual and of community, and with each the paths that lead to and from. From all can then be reflected and internalized and applied to our daily surroundings, which aren't to off in form.

No, but if you know the basic feeling you can expand on it... imagine it but more intense, bigger... if you've never known true longing, you can't.

Spot on! :)

well, actually stephanie meyer was smart enough to make her books the way they are. She knew that she needed to dumb it down so that the idiots that read it would understand it and like it, she knew the audience that she was aiming for, and made the books so that it would garner their interests and relate to them. Yes, she's a terrible writer, but a very good business women.

what if i dont know what are words? words what i how cant be known to be have then had !?

Excellent!

good one.

Okay, Stephanie Meyer is a Mormon. Gender equality and intellectual integrity don't come into the equation with those people. I'd also argue it's important to teach youths to recognize such foibles and Twilight gives a convenient slew of examples to use. We're talking about entertainment here as long as my kids understand that the behaviour portrayed in a book don't always fly in reality I'm happy. I'm willing to bet most teenage girls will out grow Twilight anyway.

i am not forcing people to "adhere to my levels of excellence" i'm giving my opinion, does my writing give the hint that i'm trying to manipulate people to my ways? because if so i'm sorry, i was having a conversation with another commentator, and i also think i'm going to stop commenting on these types of videos, because it seems that my opinions are soooo compelling that people have a need to argue with me. and i'm not a literary gourmand, i just don't think it was that good a book

Nice quote(who wrote it), and good job taking what I said and using it against me, you good sir or madam are a pro at arguments, as well as replying in a way that will make it so that i will hopefully stop talking. We live in a society that encourages stupidity, and I grew up surrounded by stupidity. The best way to do well in those circumstances is to use it to your advantage, i'm not saying she's not a idiot, i'm saying she knows how to take advantage of the other idiots

Those past individual experiences, and particularly when they are identified to be significantly similar to the ones of other people, can be conceived as MOTIFS; as in story and narrative analysis. Why doesn't the author approach the issue that way I cannot be sure.

longing a video game console is equivalent do longing a lost loved one?? there's something i DDIDNT KNOW

what if I dont know how to write

@DEATHBYFLYINGCDS No, I'm the same way, I'm super paranoid about everything I do

I'd rather be good at something than successful.

So true!

so he's basically saying "write what you long for"

Actually it already is leading to the "dumbing-down" of modern civilization. When the 9/11 commission has to publish a comic-book version of it's report because a majority of people can't or won't read the regular report, it matters. When teenage girls think it's okay to make a sex tape because that's how Kim Kardashian got famous, it matters. When our literacy levels are dropping at alarming rates - IT MATTERS! Now if only parents could realize that and help their kids...

Well said.

great advice

so inspiring :D

I understand it's complete crap, i read one of them too, and personally it does seem like she wrote them the way i described, with stupid teenage girls in mind. The writings of an idiot attract idiots. i found twilight as annoying/difficult to read, as it is to talk to the type of girl the books attract. Justin Biebers "music" is the same way, but I do agree that the type of relationship twilight encourages is wrong.

...AND many people write about things, so confident they know something, that later on is revealed either as inaccurate or outright false. I guess, to be a little cheeky here, one could place that upon such literature as the Bible and other religious texts. Lots of biographies of God, very few autobiographies, for instance. Could C.S. Lewis write about wardrobes as a portal to another world, if he had to have ACTUALLY been there? Fiction would transform into a tale by a lunatic.

He he,,,, thought you were talking about Ayn Rand up until the vampire part.

One person wasn't longing.

Stephanie meyer died so we could live. It's called survival of the fittest, and she did not make the team.

Good Post.

The best example of personal longing that he has is "longing for an Atari 2600 game console" when he was 12? That's just sad.

THAT RIGHT THERE, is what i was originally trying to say.

No, really, Stephanie Meyer is really just a terrible writer - period. Check out L. J. Smith's first four Vampire Diaries novels for the origional idea of a teenage girl in love with a vampire (published in the early '90's) written in an engaging and fast-paced way. Also, the Vampire Academy books and the House of Night books are well written and interesting. Stephanie Meyer just happened to hit the topic at the right time - pure luck not great business.

Interesting...

I reject your cookie, sir! ... unless it's raisin.

None of those are really "dumbing down". What you're describing is a culture shift, people don't want to read the normal report because it's boring, literacy rates are dropping not because we are stupider but because less of our media is based on lengthy reading, and more on internet and other facets. We're seeing a technological revolution, and while some effects appear negative, others are definitely positive. I would argue the positives in general outweigh the negatives.

awesome

Heh, of course you're right. It is an incoherent, purely illusory notion.

I once craved a milkshake; I'm going to write about starvation in Africa.

@zedell1233

6 жыл бұрын

so long as you craved that milkshake because you had just gone several days without eating, you'd be good to go

oh poor guy...

Hello, I am writing my thoughts RIGHT NOW! Yeah! Cheese, water, coke, milk, ope! Sorry. I'm in my kitchen.

I long for amiga 500!

I feel... hunger

*smeagols the cookie into a corner*

Sources please. I've heard all of these before and have yet to see any hard proof of any true dumbing down of America. I want stats, articles and studies do you hear me?

obviously

You missed the point. Sure you should write about seeing the Earth from space but you should infuse that scene you're writing with real emotion by taking the emotions of awe, of beauty, of being overwhelmed and stunned into silence by an image or a place that you've beheld in your own life. Write with your emotions and all that is you because that's what you know.

lol, i started quite the discussion it seems

I say calling teenage girls who read Twilight stupid and its author an idiot is a fairly elitist attitude, implying you look down on people who don't meet your personal standards. Further compounded by your comment on Justin Bieber's music. You try to cover your ass with a moral justification on the type of relationship Twilight encourages. I would most definitely say that you believe people should hold themselves to a better intellectual standard and those who don't deserve contempt.

Longing.

I imagine u just used the word business by accident there, as it obviously was great business for her lol.

So the massive number of grammatical errors were done on purpose?

Lord of the Rings Game of Thrones Star Wars Harry Potter The deep longing like going to Mars, power, love. So what is my deep longing: dedicated love, having power, superhuman abilities, factions seeking power. A dark lord wants dominion of the earth, so he first finds a territory where his headquarters will be. So he travels all over the earth, to look for minions to join him. He puts on a mask as a saviour messiah kind of figure who wants to help people to escape their lowest and promises dystopia to them. Tenebris has infiltrated all over the shadow tower. All the healers, guards, and war generals serve him.

and e.l james

Well that's simple, it's because she doesn't know anything.

The big stink!

I would have to disagree...your equation of twilight to a big mac is quite mysterious. You still do eat junk food don't you? Nonetheless...my no means should you be the arbiter of cultured or 'stupid' media and nor should I...Our larger interests will define our book interests...and these interests will evolve as we age...as long as a love of reading is cultured than there is no harm in reading twilight or similar books..In fact, twilight is quite benign..so I am suprised we're talking about it.

Nathan compares wanting liberation to wanting a console. Stick to what you know in your small little suburban life. Become an accountant.

It's called survival of the fittest, and she did not make the team.

I feel like he could have said all that with less words. Never underestimate the power of Brevity.

I want HARDER proof your letters are actual letters. I've seen them all before but have yet to be given any proof that they are legit. I Want Cookies, with creams, AND CHOCOLATE, Do YOU H-E-A-R MEME ME?

I think you are confusing stupid teenage girls with normal teenage girls. As far as Twilight goes I found it satisfying, much like a Big Mac is satisfying. It was cheap, easily accessible and fun, if you don't get hung up on style or depth. Not every one is a literary gourmand like yourself and you should not force them to adhere to your levels of excellence.

Do you understand he was mocking you? Unless he sent you a PM about how a sentence from you changed his life, you may want to re-read his comments. This time overlay them with a sarcastic tone. You may want to change your username to pompous nut job. I'll give you that one for free.

Plagiarism doesn't diminish the quality of words, the very fact that someone did plagiarize you would say that you are a good word smith(worth stealing from anyway) and that they lack creativity. Again, you are coming off as a pompous nut job who believes that what he has to say should be held sacred.