Our tank used to look at the ground to try and increase his fps.

@GloriousZote

8 жыл бұрын

+davebeastly thats what i do now because shit laptop

@davebeat

8 жыл бұрын

Brilliant.

@stevedippel8202

8 жыл бұрын

+davebeastly I did it also.

@ironhead199

8 жыл бұрын

+davebeastly I can relate to that. #feelsbadman

@dimadeloseros1

8 жыл бұрын

+davebeastly hahahahahhaa

I didn't mind not being able to access Nax before TBC came out. It gave me something to look forward to. It meant that when I saw someone in Ironforge walking around in Naxx armor, it was a genuine "daaaaamn" feeling. I miss that.

@ps3master72

8 жыл бұрын

+Serevarno same, when legendaries were a "daaamn" thing as well. i remember seeing someone with 2 warglaives of azzinoth and was like daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

@ovanmaru

8 жыл бұрын

+Serevarno Agreed. Thats also why I kinda laugh at the prima donnas that call themselves PvE players these days. Lol you think this game is hard now in retail? XD

@mrdrebin123

8 жыл бұрын

Yes yes uhh so tough cus you played Vanilla people.. Let's be honest vanilla sucked dunkey balls when it was literally centered around blizzard being too lazy to actually find meaningful ways to gear up to a raid, instead forcing you to farm.

@mrdrebin123

8 жыл бұрын

I think the tube set my comment for the wrong one.. But now that we are enemies get a superman pic to go with your Vegan attitude, something to think about whilst you are doing crossfit, miss or ahem kiddo. (Never braised the game as is, but the people who keep saying vanilla this and vanilla that.. may cancer take them).

@mrdrebin123

8 жыл бұрын

I literally cannot tell if you've heard of sarcasm before, but i bid the fortune in wars to come, for surely you will start some with your bad attitude ;)

I'd like to add to this that voice comms, player cooperation and coordination and a general understanding of raiding mechanics were also relatively new. I can only imagine the trouble those early pioneers had getting to grips with high level raiding, much less manage 39 other players on ancient hardware, shaky internet connections and about a million other factors that could hinder playing properly.

@cmdmd

2 жыл бұрын

That was the eta when “real” mechanics started. AQ40 was the intro, Naxx40 was college-level.

@ElSombraRegio7

Жыл бұрын

Righf, like now everyone has discord or other very accessible communication means. Back then, discord was NEW-NEW. So in my guild, we all pitched in to a phone press conference service and different parts of the raid called in to different numbers. It was so ooo ANCIENT compared to now

@kbx1500

10 ай бұрын

​@@ElSombraRegio7ventrillo and team speak were the way back then

@bencze465

6 ай бұрын

I was doing 200 fleets in Eve online in 2004 using Teamspeak, so it wasn't that much of a new thing in 2007 or whatever.

"But guess how many guilds actually cleared naxrammas..." Me: 23 "Nope you're wrong, 23" ☹️

@riner9

5 жыл бұрын

Chosen on my server Firetree cleared it.

@nathantalkington9944

5 жыл бұрын

Your wrong lol ok you was right

@mindgames50

4 жыл бұрын

Your medal is in the mail

@lamawithbasecap7355

4 жыл бұрын

Stolen comment....

@rehmsmeyer

4 жыл бұрын

Just because you guessed it, doesn't mean you're right.

sometimes i still cry that i didnt got currupted ashbringer, i saw it dropp.....but the "main" dps warrior got it....he stopped playing 2 months later......

@piotrekkrawczyk9102

9 жыл бұрын

florian frueh "The wounds dont seem to heal, the pain is just too real, there is just too much time cannot erase!..."

@TheChrisfleury1

9 жыл бұрын

florian frueh Krodos got banned not quit. Then again IO fell apart right after anyways.

@florianfrueh3282

9 жыл бұрын

....? if you tried that we were in the same guild, you failed.^^

@TheChrisfleury1

9 жыл бұрын

Its ok, hunters are all the same on sapph

@florianfrueh3282

9 жыл бұрын

Chris Fleury i never was on that server, but if you say so

I remember the day our tank reached 10.000 health with a few naxx gear and full buff. It was a very exciting day.

@YoMrRice

8 жыл бұрын

+Shabir Parwaz crazy how back then that was a huge milestone for the guild. Same with epic mounts. Was a guild wide celebration!

@ToraxReborn

8 жыл бұрын

Just hitting 60 was a big thing back then, unlike nowdays ppl with many alts..

@TorrentOfficiall

8 жыл бұрын

+ToraxReborn xD 50 - 60 was like doing 1-100 and 1-50 was like doing 1-100 was so fucking brutal.

@Monkeywrench542

8 жыл бұрын

+Shabir Parwaz 10k health meant they must had about the most health on the server. t3 warrior gear is still the best looking gear.

@MistahTeeLecksAhFly

7 жыл бұрын

ToraxReborn not really 1-100 u can get in a day even in WoD vanilla 1-60 took about 3-6 months depending on ur time u play and just how long it took

It also needs to be taken into account the level of hardware and bandwidth we were dealing with back then. I was healing MC/BWL/AQ/Naxx at 720x480. Which means most of my screen was player HP bars.

My guild also fell to Naxx. Was a blast though. Ty for your time and effort. Very well done. Superb! A+

I remember using wands as a mage when I ran out of mana! xD

@topanteon

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The glory days of mages actually using wands :)

@aminstuckz3930

7 жыл бұрын

Damn! Haha didn't remember that until now. 2 piece T3 frost Mage in vanilla!

@tristansliebestod

7 жыл бұрын

dagger throwing rogues lol

@dilligafzilla

7 жыл бұрын

+tristansliebestod um what? nobody did that

@tristansliebestod

7 жыл бұрын

in bwl rogue class call, ''you are hitting me from behind come face me'' from his faceside they were taking dmg, we were pulling rogues to max range even with low dps they were not dying , it was throwing knife or something like that i am editing this one : not bwl last fight, it was in majordomo's phase or something like that which everyone was using range attacks only

Getting exalted with the Argent Dawn was the EASY part Once you actually entered Naxxramas it was like: -"Oh god, what have I gotten myself into?" I believe I still owe Money for all the repair bills during that time....

Can someone explain to me what happens when a new expansion for wow come out? Does the previous one stop working the day it comes out or does it take a while. To play retail will i habe to purchase all previous expansions or only the current one

well this aged like milk

@ixplain

3 ай бұрын

This Raid got Blacked hard

I really really hope blizzard makes the new timewalking feature open up to old raids.

@Donnerbalken28

9 жыл бұрын

+The Universe Yeah, that would be Awesome as hell. Going back to Ulduar or ICC and face Arthas once more. Actually, i never even saw Arthas in 3.3, my Guild never made it past Sindragosa :P

@Colm1800

9 жыл бұрын

+Magic Medic nowa days a fully geared ilvl 710 frost dk can solo icc and not die once

@nathancasey7712

9 жыл бұрын

+malcolm thompson People could do that for a long time.

@Colm1800

9 жыл бұрын

Nathan Casey i mean on 25 heroic

@ConnorArchibald

9 жыл бұрын

malcolm thompson I first did that at level 90. it's not that hard. Been trying to get invincible for like over a year now haha

I think you missed something. The World bosses dropped some gear people could use for Naxx. and the whole server was fightning each other to get those bosses down.

@papaversomniferum5247

5 жыл бұрын

Kim those were the best days of wow... wow sucks so bad now.. it’s a game you pay to have your hand held... pussified!! We need vanilla wow, hardcore original vanilla wow immediately switched from current patch to give these little liberal cunts a taste of gaming reality... next stop actual reality!

@sundronez

5 жыл бұрын

@@papaversomniferum5247 Vanilla wow was not difficult. The most difficult part about vanilla wow was finding 40 skill players on your server. The mechanics while unforgiving they are simple. Now take players from current mythic raiding game they will destroy this content because people now programmed for difficult mechanics. Yes I cleared Naxx40 in vanilla in the world top 10

@zchesus

5 жыл бұрын

@@sundronez and therefore you don't have the perspective to know how bad people really are. Guess you've always played with close knitted group of friends never having to deal with casuals or clueless people. I'm not saying it was impossible but finding 40 skilled, and devoted players who are willing to farm rep, farm consumables every day like crazy and have the time for whole shizznit and constant wipes while learning the content was not easy. It was a constant grind, and I came to WoW from Lineage 2 where Grind was at least 10x times worse. (~3 months farming every day non stop to get at the time mats to craft best weapon for one of my chars). Also, Naxx wasn't in the game that long, so once Server first was obtained, most of people slowed down, yeah ppl wanted gear, but as I said, Naxx wasn't in the game for that long before BC, many were bored and waiting for expansion. And you cannot call it easy when KT would insta gib fully geared Tank if a single frostbolt wasn't interrupted, hell even when it just came out, getting Patchwerk was kinda a feat even with best pre Naxx gear (and I think timer was longer?). Once people got some Naxx gear it was easier, but it was just too much hassle. I mean it was both fun, and everyone hated it, espec. the respawns.... I quit WoW long time ago, (kinda tempted to come back), but nothing I saw in current welfare game that WoW turned into doesn't look close to real Grind and difficulty of Old Naxx (And it's not 40 ppl if they are not all Naxx geared, you'd have to swap in people for some fights so it was more like 40 plus another 15-ish people on standby. It was like a full time job. And no I didn't clear whole Naxx tho' my guild did - I think I was in a race for High Warlord rank at the time, and there was this Spanish dude who was in all Spanish guild with some 800+ ppl that all played his account and I swore an oath to get it before him xD. (My wife, then fiancee almost left me because of constant grind :P)

@sundronez

5 жыл бұрын

@@zchesus Many of the difficulties were constructs of the time. The gamer community and the MMO community is no where as extensive or as skilled as it is now, so finding 40 people who were skilled enough in an era of minimal server mobility was extremely difficult. When most people made their characters they did so with no real thought put into which server you played on beyond my friend plays here. Where as now for Classic people already have full on recruitment going on for 40 man guilds, etc. Next was internet connections and lag were a thing of the time, now we live in a world where 50-75ms is considered OK, in Vanilla many people ran at 200-300MS and that was good. As for dealing with casual/clueless people yes it happened from time to time but I have consistently been world top 1000 guild and been world first, so I understand how to play, what is required to play at that high level. The guild I raided with (Deus Vox) had a very short bench of 6-10 and we had some alts that were geared. As for farming rep and consumables.....That became a joke once AQ40 hit because you could sell runs for gold even back then for BWL and then after into AQ40(we sold access to other guilds who could not get passed twin's to get their gear from tokens). This gold was turned into consumables for the raid. As for easy, it was and will be in classic for the current MMO player. This is what I was saying take current WoW mythic raiders and put them in Naxx and they will have it cleared in a couple weeks at most. Longest possible part will get getting FrR for the Sapph and warrior tanks geared for 4h. This is due to the mechanics while being punishing are very rudimentary compared to what people in Mythic deal with now. In Vanilla you had one maybe 2 mechanics per fight, very little personal responsibility(beyond Thaddius and that was do you know what your left and right are) compared to now, multiphase, multiple mechanic, high personal responsibility fights, and yes with 40 players it is easier to kick a cast consistently than with 20. But the biggest difference now will be the amount of outside the raid preparation that will take place, Simming your character, figuring out optimal rotations, perfecting strats and raid comps, videos of the fights, etc. All of these were in their infancy in Vanilla and in with Classic release they will be at the level of current game. As for HW/GM in PVP I will admit that was a grind but and took lots of time but it was anything but difficult. There was no MMR matching system so as a geared player you went up against terrible players regularly.....I know this because as a guild we went into WSG only wearing weapons and trinkets and beat the other team still 3-1, we had no other armor on.

@zchesus

5 жыл бұрын

@@sundronez I figured we were talking was it hard for the average player back then not for inc vanilla servers. Only a part of the population will seriously play them imho and they will burn through content so quickly and won't have anything to do and they will get bored just as we got bored back then. Tho I must admit I am nostalgic and would love to go through the experience for a first time again (which would require me a) getting amnesia and b) actually having that much free time from family life) Reading your post, I do remember selling spots for AQ and lesser raids, also remember guild bank being huuuuge AF. But we were kinda the only guild Horde side on our server who was that way.... As you said, constructs of the time. I'll have to take your word for the current Mythic raids, I quit before the end of WOTLK so I am really out of the loop. (But I've been experiencing a WoW itch lately :P) Rank 14 was just a grind, only skilled part was pulling 1 vs 5-6 ppl kills. Yes, you usually outgeared them or at least some of them, but it could be challenging, espec. as warrior vs frost mages, shadow priests etc. (I PvPed as fury in BG's, Arms in Arena), there was an MMR for arena tho, but it was still bad.

I remember it being hard, until we did it again in Classic and I realised that we will were just so shit back then.

@itchydez

2 жыл бұрын

This is the comment I was looking for.

@zenongoorol1542

Жыл бұрын

@@havoc3135 It doesn't matter. If the guy is a mythic raider now even private server stuff would be a joke to him. Back than it was hard because of lack of experience and skills just like many things in life. Still my favourite raid ever. But you develop you learn and things that were difficult are so easy now, you realise that they were easy all along, it was you that need to learn and grow.

@zenongoorol1542

Жыл бұрын

@@havoc3135 And from what I gather the OP beat both.

@belstar1128

Жыл бұрын

In 2006 wow was played by normal people with a life for fun. in 2022 its only played by speed runners who have memorised the games source code and break the game.

@casparvandeursen7125

Ай бұрын

I think boss fights shifted from being hard to prepare for to hard to execute. Most Naxx bosses require almost no skill to execute, as long as you do the bare minimum and come extremely prepared. In modern wow you need the gear and skill to do M bosses.

What is the background music name around 6:30?

How much did you pay google to make this appear as recommended on every single video I watch?

@HamsterWheelGaming

9 жыл бұрын

Bobtehnerd 400,000 dollars, 3 bus tokens, 2 coupons for a free meal at Wendy's and a Jim Carrey movie 3-pack (still in the original plastic)

@facers8452

9 жыл бұрын

HamsterWheelGaming lmfao

@garenson

9 жыл бұрын

HamsterWheelGaming Do you still have that PC-case and would you please share the brand and name? I'm looking for a new one and that sidedoor looks very convenient.

@HamsterWheelGaming

9 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you mean the Corsair Graphite 760t?

@garenson

9 жыл бұрын

HamsterWheelGaming Yes, that's the one. Thanks for the fast answer :)

Yes, only 23 guilds cleared Naxxramas. But don't forget that this patch was VERY short. Most guilds simply didn't have the time to beat it. If WotLK's last patch (ICC) was given the same amount of time to beat it, less guilds would have killed Lich King 25 HC. (0 guild to be exact, it took Paragon ~4 months to beat 25 hc ICC WITH 5% BUFF) While Naxxramas was the hardest raid dungeon ever. Lich King 25 heroic was definitely the hardest boss ever. (without the 5-10-15% buff.)

@Bloodvenom15

7 жыл бұрын

no

@wggameplay3098

7 жыл бұрын

Phryke 25 Heroic LK falled the first day?! Lol, are Paragon that good?

@MrMousiee

7 жыл бұрын

Lich King was unkillable at first. One guild managed to do it but got the kill revoked due to abusing a bug to keep the platform extention up to stop people being dropped off the edge.

@DemonicEmpowerment

7 жыл бұрын

That "bug" wasnt even abused really....First, it was normal LK(no fucks given), Second...The rogue used those same bombs, on CD, every time, since the start of WotLK...How would they even know what was causing it...

@Fliptality

5 жыл бұрын

@biglolol fucking wrong you moron. Naxx 40 was cleared by 130 guilds pre TBC release of which 97 did it pre 2.01 patch. Most of these guild were EU guilds even though US head a decent head start ^^ US players just suck

Hamsterwheel, love this video. But curious if you could do a video comparing the difficulty you cover in this vid, and your actual experience in taking down KT recently. Was it truly as hard currently as it was back in the day that you make light of in this vid?

Just want to say I really enjoy your style of narration and will be looking thru more of your videos

@HamsterWheelGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Hope you enjoy the more recent videos a lot more, as this is probably the first video I ever did where I narrated and I made several mistakes

Argent Dawn rep was nothing, I was exalted by farming Stratholme for BoE blues for alts

@HamsterWheelGaming

9 жыл бұрын

Bloodstainer I know dat feel :(

@89qwyg9yqa34t

9 жыл бұрын

A lot of people did a lot of irrelevant-to-Naxx things, which is why not many were able to get there. Yes, it wasn't much of a grind, but on a raider's timetable, it was an immense diversion. That raid was only out for 7 months before BC and mastery of AQ was required before entry.

@GodNuVo

9 жыл бұрын

Bloodstainer Strath was so fun running this instance with a war fury tier 2

@blodstainer

9 жыл бұрын

God Nuvo It was fun running it with part MC gear pre-BWL, but it didn't really make sense until they released the raid 0,5. But it was pretty funny cus I had full Valor on my Paladin as farming gear, but the tier 0,5 quest was class oriented. Shame

@tuabuelita

9 жыл бұрын

Bloodstainer that's bullshit. Argent dawn rep was probably the hardest faction, I farmed shitton of strat and scholo for my tier0 and played the whole vanilla since the release. when BC came out I wasnt exalted.

Blizz just give us the damned 1.12.1 legacy servers already, tired of low pop private servers.

@politicallycorrectnbafan3059

9 жыл бұрын

Nostalrius is a terrific private server with a higher population than ANY World of Warcraft server, ever. It reached 9k people online at one time, which no server including retail has ever been close to achieving. BWL is being released next month and everyone's having a great time.

@Raven1024

8 жыл бұрын

+propoetide I agree with this, I'd resub if they'd add in about ~20 US *1.12.1* servers and ~20 US *2.4.3* servers. I'd love to get in a good guild and do Naxx and Sunwell again. I had a lot of fun in Vanilla and even more in BC. Actually had kind of a hankering for original ZG and AQ20 lately too...I had a loving fondness for ZG and AQ20 even though they were baby raids. Same for Kara...

@crashyburnymit4080

8 жыл бұрын

yeah... people will play it for a week then go back to normal wow. blizz wont add a vanilla server that MIGHT have succes... plus the game was retarded back then. its a miracle that it survived past vanilla.

@Raven1024

8 жыл бұрын

Somewhere around 4-6 million people would disagree with you. Plenty of private servers have proved that people will play Vanilla WoW and TBC even with horrible bugs just to play them and they will do it for long periods of time. People would most likely bounce between the servers with multiple characters on each, because let's face it, leveling characters isn't hard. With WoW having lost over half it's playerbase I sure as hell would be willing to bet it would pick a lot of revenue back up by embracing the old hardcore fans like myself.

@crashyburnymit4080

8 жыл бұрын

+Raven1024 4 to 6 million? really? you are talking about 4 to 6 million players that are 10 years older, and dont have same patience like back then. also 4 to 6 million its a BIG exageration considering that only a few thousands actualy finnished end content. latest proof was molten core event, where ppl had a glimpse of what old raiding was about. people got their mount and never returned. trust me, nostalgia will run out in about a month, just like timewalking dungeons.

I love that everyone in this comment field is in the scale of 0.1%

@demi7536

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, however their Naxx clearance achievement has a date in 2018 :p

@joshdunlap3580

5 жыл бұрын

Vanilla didn't have achievements...

@JarnBjorn72

5 жыл бұрын

Well, common sense would tell you that 95%+ of the people looking up this video are gonna be players that actually did vanilla Naxx.

@mercurio822

5 жыл бұрын

i got 5 bosses in Naxx back in classic, but since we all knew TBC where just a few months away, we decided to call it quits and some in our guild including our main tank did Runs with the best guild on out server in order to clear Naxx before TBC, which i think they did.

@cmdmd

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't clear, but our guild was on the top 10 for 3 bosses. Broke up during that Raid.....LOL

I like your video, lots of memories from vanilla in your story. :) One thing to add about the consumables which I don't think people really are aware of today unless they really remember the details, specifically mana potions. In vanilla (and TBC) there was no limit to one potion per combat. So back in the day I remember healers chugging the first pot like at 80% mana and then as soon as it came of cd a minute or two later they chugged another. Take this into account and all the wiping and trying on bosses. Now you understand that you needed lots of pots. I remember my healer friends filled entire bags with mana potions for when we went to the harder raids. :)

@Florence_Pappillis

4 жыл бұрын

YOUR PFP SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME

Had the privilege of raiding this place and only saw the Instructor and Anub go down. It still gives me nightmares.

I played a warlock back then, I was playing it because of how cool demon summoning seemed, and that undead warlock in the intro video with the infernal was boss. Turned out that warlocks could pretend to farm mana pots, lifetap themselves near to oblivion, and make the healers waste more mana pots instead. Dick move but good times.

@azorl

8 жыл бұрын

+Eternal Odyssey I remember doing both to be able to push the dps that was needed.

@zlozel

8 жыл бұрын

+John Bachman yep, also mine lock's telents were bugged and I have 2 min CD for Meta (instead of 3 min), so sometimes I was continuously in demon :)

@Reazintful

8 жыл бұрын

+Eternal Odyssey i was a lock in those days lifetap was the bomb, but we couldnt use it in every fight, as it strained the healers and they needed to focus on the tanks. caugh patchwerk. you know what i do NOT miss about locks then, effing shards man. for bosses in Naxx i required all my warlocks to grind up tons of them.

@azorl

8 жыл бұрын

Justin Jacobs those friggin shards! why didnt they atleast stack like everything else :P . it was so frustrating.

@autdelux

4 жыл бұрын

if u would have been in a good raid and they saw u abuse it in raids to cheap out on money u where faster gone than you can say lifetap

I remember watching this video back when it first went up on this site. It’s crazy to think that in the near future I’ll be able to experience this Naxx for myself. How far we’ve come!

@BumlinsDrinkWater

Жыл бұрын

Did you do it?

What people failed to remember is the sheer amount of consumables needed: Now you can only use one battle and one guardian elixer, but then you could, or rather needed to use all of them As a Naxx hunter back then this was my list of "mandatory" items: 2 Flasks of Titans (Some fights required everyone to have more hp) 2 flasks of Supreme power (Some fights required to have the maximum dps) 10 of the appropiate greater resistance potions (3 different types) 10 Greater arcane Elixers 10 Purification Potions 10 Elixers of Mongoose 10 Elixers of brute force 10 Elixers of Fortitude 10 Elixers of Mageblood 10 Elixers of Greater Intellect 10 Scrolls of Agility IV 10 Scrolls of Stamina IV 10 Scrolls of Intellect IV 20 Major mana potions 20 Brilliant wizard oil (16 was the minimum for our seceduled 4 hour raid, but sometimes it lasted longer) This was takeing up 32 of our bag space (usually 2 full bags) next to the fact that we had to have a quiver full of arrows (AV/Engineering, or Doomshot (LBRS Farm) and the last 2 bags were usually filled with specific resist gear. i believe i had one spot free just incase i was able to buy (Dkp) something that raid but that was it. As a guild itself you also needed to get Repair bots, wich were quite expensive, and required materials only dropped in beloved Gnomeregan to farm. And this was with Full T2.5 set, Full Aq 20 set, 2 pieces of ZG set, 3 pieces of Tier 2 set, and the rest of the items mainly from BWL Also we had to use arcane shot vs aimed shot for multiple reasons, with the raid debuffs (nightfall, Curse of shadows) arcane damage was increased by 25%, while lowering the resistance by 75, the spell damage bonuses on the T2.5 set + consumables brought you to 349 spell damage makeing the arcane shot do 500 non crit arcane damage without haveing to stay motionless for 3 seconds (wich in some times was horrible) and without loseing time on autoshoots. It was also way more mana efficient. Also the armor of the mobs and bosses was so high that the sheer armor reduction on aimed shot made arcane shot way more viable. another thing that is failed to mention is that a lot of buffs only applied to groups, (eg aura's or totems, imp buffs, shouts, trueshot aura's) wich ment you had to switch groups regarding wich boss you did, also the bosses only had 16 debuff slots, wich ment every single slot of the boss was reserved for a specific debuff, wich lowered the dps of individuals to favor the increase of dps for the raid. Gathering the materials, or money to buy them was work in itself Now next to that were the fights itself. Decursing, only able to be done by Mages and druids, Poison, Shamans, Paladins, Druids, Disease Shamans, Paladins, Priests, Magic, Paladins and Priests. you had to call out in (mostly seperate class channels) who was decursing or dispelling wich group(s) those players had to make certain they were in range of the dispeller(s) (no range addons or UI were there for the most part) who did certain buffs (eg curse of shadows/elements) who was in the rotation for tranq shot, etc. For an evening of raiding, you spend 4-5 days preparing, and for the raid itself if you were unlucky enough to be the raid or classleader you often had to spend another hour or so getting the class stuff done. People had to have certain specs, and sometimes one talentpoint different could mean a huge difference. A lot of people comment that the fights themselves are "easier" scripted then current mechanics, but you also have to remember, that back then a lot of the now granted options for scripting weren't available, no vehicule mechanics, clickable orbs to mindcontrol, and a lot of the addons were often not working correctly so you had to sometimes rely on emotes, or spell effects for the timeings. A lot of classes didn't have aggro reduction or resets, and often even turning the boss to the raid accidentilly caused a wipe. Even with carefull planning, you had to rotate healers, device strategies for how to deal with certain bosses cause there weren't instruction video's or websites most of the time. Hots didn't stack, there was only 1 renew, 1 regrowth, 1 rejuvination possible on a target. And you know what, i miss it. I miss the dedication required, i miss the tight knit community in the guild, and on the server. People knew you in the guild and in the server. You build up lasting friendships, and enemies from the other side after the 15th time you met someone in a battleground. People were less likely to be an ass because not only did everyone experiance the horrible gear grind. The tight knit population on a server also ment that if you were a ninja, if you harrased people etc, you would be barred from any good guild. And with no name changes, or guild transfers possible, once you had a (good or bad) reputation that used to stick. I can't wait till classic wow returns. I just hope that Blizzard doesn't make it "current meta" with beeing able to transfer servers, name changes, cross realm battlegrounds, dungeon finders, summoning stones, gearscore For me i want it to have it the closest thing as it was back then, with maybe an OPTION to choose between wow classic graphics, or the new graphics

@BlackSabbath1989

5 жыл бұрын

So you want it all back, but with a current PC. i only managed to get to lvl40 and staleld there in vanilla took me BC to get max lvl and enjoy some random raids 1 or 2 tiers behind the new content, still loved that time

@jamesmerkel1932

5 жыл бұрын

I miss the old days when raids required more than "tank and spank" followed by "tank and off-tank and spank" followed by "stand in circle or die and tank and spank". Tanks used to have to control which direction the boss faced, shot/spell rotation were far more crucial for success as opposed to bragging rights on dps charts, and people actually had to know HOW to run cc to keep the guild from wiping. PUGS were a joke because they never used to work and world raids were a hell of alot of fun. I do miss dragging Lord Krull to IF with my guild on random servers waiting for my main to finish a server update >:)

@jamesmerkel1932

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, and I miss the days of pvp being a time consumer while waiting on your 40-man as opposed to being necessary for noobs to be able to get gear for high level raids because they can't learn how to run a raid with their class. I think that's a biggest part of the reason I quit wow

@bobcobb158

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The 'skill' in vanilla was all down to your time investment. Hell, even PvP was like this.. you were considered the absolute best pvper in the game as long as you afk'd in AV 20 hours a day and made it to rank 14, as arena wasn't in the game yet. The entirety of the vanilla experience was the insanely time consuming MMO-ness of the game, you had to grind forever to do anything. I don't see classic WoW being very successful because the current state of gaming doesn't really lend itself to these types of games anymore.. maybe the players that are currently playing insanely grindy asian MMO's will be able to handle the grind, but thats about it. The VAST majority of people that play classic will burn out before they even reach level 60 which is understandable. I just can't see Classic being the savior to WoW's existence that everyone thinks it will be.

@Pretz_Starwind

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you right here. I was a classic WoW baby and a Mage for my main class, altoholic so I had 1 of each to the max character slots. Using CC and fight Mechanics, not just "stand in this circle while the tank holds aggro in his sleep cause he hit 1 button at the start", was one of the main things I miss about Classic WoW. I even find in other MMOs that it has been a plague that has just killed those things in many of the good ones. For example I play FFXIV and love the game, however CC is really non-existent. In FFXIV your Dungeons and Raids consist mostly of Tank and Spank AOE Frenzy fights. Some boss battles are mechanic heavy but you are then only fighting just the boss and mechanics are more things to keep from dying. A few of the classes have some good CC abilities in FFXIV, like the Black Mage's Sleep spell which is an AOE CC, yet it's so ignored that many players seem to be more pissed off that they can't just spam their amazingly awesome AOE skill without waking the mob up, which after about 3 hits with it the diminishing returns makes it immune completely until you get out of combat and it fully resets. I can remember being in several guilds in Vanilla WoW due to drama and the need for certain things before I could be allowed to raid in some. I had a run of bad luck in the time that I should have been running BWL due to the fact that I kept finding bad guilds that wanted me to farm things for them to go to raids with and kept insisting they'd bring me in when someone else was fully geared and wanted time off. Of course many of those guilds were really just wanting to use me to farm items for them and had no intention of letting me raid, and those that did were doing it on alts and didn't have any care as it was more a time to pull "Leroy"s and crack jokes while telling the "noobs" how good they did this raid a night or two before hand like it was easy as pie. Thankfully I got into some good guilds before BC launched and I did get to get to some Vanilla Raiding. BC was a great expansion as it didn't make too many changes and the flow was fine unless you did massive grinding to level and burn through the areas without the questlines being done.

I remember My guild going into nazx back Then. We didnt even kill the 1 trash mob wich was a gagoyle. If this wanst killed fast enough it would get full Health. So we kept nuking the same Mob for like 30 mins untill we gave up and left. Brutal raid.

@HulkRemade

8 жыл бұрын

lol and that's not even the hardest trash. I remember the construct wing having creatures that'd wipe our guild when we tried to do echoes of war.

@shadowisen

6 жыл бұрын

I know this is a little different, but my guild couldn't kill the trash in Sunwell Plateau, and this was after beating Black Temple (albeit also after the 30% raid health nerf). It was an interesting two months before Wrath.

@DriftNick

6 жыл бұрын

If you couldn't kill trash your guild was trash.

@19thomsen87

6 жыл бұрын

DriftNick well Never Said it wasnt. We were doing MC BWL at the time. So we just wanted to try the raid.

I really want to experience this. It sounds amazing.

@MrJonasfisker

9 жыл бұрын

***** Go play on private servers like feenix or kronos, there you will get the full experience of the vanilla wow! simply amazing and almost bug free content! i can highly recommend it! i cleard everything but c'thun on the instant lvl 60 server - That server is pretty much dead now though..

@Kirasupporter1

9 жыл бұрын

jonas fisker I don't trust their scripts, I hear feenix is awful and they sell gear for donations. So I bet naxx is made easier or bugged somehow to make it un accurate. Like the four horsemen are missing a mechanic as if they took WOTLK and put it in vanilla

@weirdfo

9 жыл бұрын

***** You should check out Nostalrius - It's FANTASTIC! I've been playing there for about a month now. It's a true 1x XP server, which is as close to live vanilla wow was. No buying gear, no XP boosts, just grind 1-60 and start gearing up. Community is awesome and everyone on realm is friendly as there is no LFR anonymity!

@Kirasupporter1

9 жыл бұрын

Ryan Colombo too buggy though. I think rebirth has more accuracy and they won't release things before they are ready. Nost seems to throw all kinds of crap out without even testing it

@Lobb4n1d

9 жыл бұрын

***** Then you should check out Kronos, their scripting is awesome, nost is too buggy for my taste.

Remember it wasn't just difficulty alone. Burning Crusade was just around the corner so the gear would have just been invalidated in a month. So many guilds just gave up an went on vacation.

@supermaneternal

4 жыл бұрын

This x a million

@midnull6009

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly. It was pointless.

@rowlandbuck2703

4 жыл бұрын

I think it would have been a lot better if blizzard released bigger expansion with more time in between them. Even after they removed attainments and such only top guilds cleared end tier raids. There just want enough time for even semi hardcore raiders. I liked raid finder but then they ruined all the classes in mop so I quit.

@jointedlimb

4 жыл бұрын

actually most of the naxx gear was bis till you started raiding.

Is the Naxxramas attunement a per entrance thing or do you pay once to get access forever?

@HamsterWheelGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Pay once to get access forever

@BucketGamers

4 жыл бұрын

Ty!

The chances of this are so low but you your guild, Legio Excisio. What realm were they on? I recognize some of the names in your guild because my brother was in a guild with the same name, it was either on the Dragonmaw or Frostmane server, can't remember which. I think the guild came about from a merger of two guilds called Motion and Set in Stone?

@HamsterWheelGaming

8 жыл бұрын

+Knotty200 Im not sure about the history of Legio Excisio when it comes to the guild merge, but we originally started on Dragonmaw and moved to Frostmane due to it being a lot less laggy

@Knotty200

8 жыл бұрын

+HamsterWheelGaming This is definitely the guild my brother was in but he went into The Dark Legion, not sure if you remember them? Think they were classed as 2nd or 3rd best horde guild on the realm, Malevolence Incarnate being number one. He actually joined MI temporarily I think and even had a stint in ISLE. Do you remember a Tauren Hunter called Wylde?

@HamsterWheelGaming

8 жыл бұрын

I definitely remember Malevolence Incarnate, as well as Erratic and Vindication. I think those 3 and Legio were the top raiding guilds on Frostmane back in those days. As far as the hunter name it does sound familiar, but it doesn't really ring any bells unfortunately

@Knotty200

8 жыл бұрын

+HamsterWheelGaming That's it, ISLE became Erratic. The Dark Legion might have disbanded. Think he ended up in Novus Principius? You remember them?

@simenwalbkken9448

8 жыл бұрын

+HamsterWheelGaming Nice video! On Frostmane was definitely one of the top guilds at the end of vanilla, and the best horde guild throughout TBC. The guild itself was a merger of two good guilds, Inspiration and Novus Principium. good times

I have to say some of the things you are saying are misleading, I was in one of the raiding guilds in EU that cleared the place. first of: Naxx came out late, and we had minimal time in there before TBC, so time people had in the raid to progress was very limited. (remember I do agree this was one of the hardest places I have every progressed). 2nd, gear: when naxx came out people had been farming MC/BWL for over a year, and even tho AQ40 was "relatively" new most people did not need a huge amount of gear, and most guild cleared MC/BWL very quickly at that time. 3rd consumables: I agree with you the amount of consumables needed was high, very high indeed, but a good guild would do a divide and conquer, having the dps farm the kills, and then our healers had herb alts at level 35 with 300 herbing placed where we needed to farm the most important herbs (groomsblood) the tanks would be fishing etc. that took allot of the top off. 4th Rep: everyone had been running AD rep instances for ages, there were a constant need to get to the lab to make flasks, or farm righteous orbs for crusader enchant, and Large brilliant shards etc etc. meaning most raiders at the level to enter naxx where at least revered and many of us was already exalted, making the entry requirement completely easy. just some thoughts, please remember that I agree Naxx was a hard but amazing place. And it took a well organized guild to be naxx "worthy". but liked the video :)

@smoke12316

5 жыл бұрын

people were dividing jobs between them for the guild? That's real dedication.

@nApucco

5 жыл бұрын

Geesle many guilds had a centralized system to gather and craft all consumables for the raid. Everybody could contribute and in return got points to later bid on raid drops. That way everybody could gather what was easier for him/her or nothing at all.

@Wockes

5 жыл бұрын

I only went to Naxx one time during Vanilla then our guild ran out of time. After that our guild pretty much died in TBC because there were no longer 40 man raids

@mhmtbl

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree!! We were also dividing the jobs and I agree on reputation part.. The reason we didn't do naxx was "Hey expansion will come soon, look at those green items , they are better than our tier 2,5s.. Let's stop raiding until expansion and let's make a fresh start at the expansion.." Thus ended our wow adventure.. people got bored and left the guild etc... Things got worse and worse.. Burning crusade should have come a year and a half later or something like that..

@blueberrymcphuckerson9821

5 жыл бұрын

I mean you can't deny Nax was hard since he has the stats to back him up, but he did exaggerate some things that you've already covered. One thing he exaggerates is farming as Main Healer. Yeah, the gear was shit for DPS as a healer since they would only focus on healing. However, a lot of healers (at least smart ones apparently) would have a DPS off-set for when they needed to solo some things some times. Being a guild trying to conquer Nax at the time; I would be very surprised if he wasn't in a guild that had cleared MC, BWL, AQ, and Onyxia (as well as the world bosses) so many times that it was sill not common for the same gear to drop for the nth time that all the mains already had or something better; therefore allowing the non-mains access to get them for their off-sets. For example, all the main mages and warlocks already have that gear piece or something better for spell damage so let a priest get it so he can do damage when he needed to. Hell, you could also even use the spell damage gear you got from basic quests, mob drops, and dungeons at the time to use. The dungeon set gears were implied to be class-specific, but in reality anyone can use the gear (fucking Shadow Priests taking my Dreadmist gear). You didn't have to respec to do damage for farm, that's like a super expensive cherry on top. It helps, but not needed and the money could be used better to gather resources for or the consumables themselves on the AH.

Great video man! I was in love with vanilla back then. Looking forward to de legacy servers. Subbed!

Wasn't there a long quest chain to unlock that raid?

4:28 gave me cancer, remembering having to eat in between every mob as a warrior leveling around 58

@EnjoyCocaColaLight

8 жыл бұрын

+Thomas Nilsson This is why I never got past lvl 12 as a warrior in vanilla. It wasn't as bad as a mage, but holyfuckingshit being a warrior sucked.

@Demias.

8 жыл бұрын

+Thomas Nilsson Same man. I also valued armor > Stats cuz I was retarded.

@frostgodxeek

8 жыл бұрын

that moment where i leveled as a lock and had the best time xD

@Demias.

8 жыл бұрын

Pizzadog Gaming I imagine so haha

@punypoppy9147

8 жыл бұрын

+EnjoyCocaColaLight Holy hell lvl 12? I only levelled in later TBC and i recall even that took some considerable time to hit 70. *Oh and the class was hunter... ^_^

Great review, I remember this. My guild was working on Sapphiron when BC was released. So close yet so far away.

@user-nl4ir7cx5r

9 ай бұрын

Respect 🫡

My father claims to have cleared Nax. He was in the top guild on Dalaran server. He divorced in 2003 and did nothing, but drink and play WoW with his work buddies on the weekends and played during the week as well. He played a frost mage. Is there a way to prove it?

What is your take on classic Era Naxx? I am interested for your opinion.

@floowigg

5 ай бұрын

It was easy, you did only speed runs

I see alot of comments stating that Vanilla WoW was glitchy and full of elitists.. Im sorry but I played from 2004-2015 and can tell you I would rather have those glitches and elitists than the whiny self entitled half wits that are sitting in their Garrisons today. Sure Vanilla had a tighter community, the mechanics, though not up to today's standards were hard for their time. We didn't have a crap ton of monty python stats that gave us godly amounts of life and damage. The battles actually required thinking about your next move. Damage meters meant crap. Threat meters on the other hand were mandatory. Wipes were something that happened more often than not. Say what you want Old Naxx was a real pain in the backside for the players of the time. No dungeon or raid today offers the same level of trouble because the characters themselves are more capable. The sheer number of players that demand to see the damage meter after a fight is appalling and yet that is considered normal now in WoW. Such a lame joke. We talk about the Elitists of yesteryear and yet arent the ones in WoD even worse? People need to get their heads on straight. Sure Vanilla was a right bitch, but it was a social game back then which is very different that the current stance of WoW today. Player skill in vanilla is under estimated. We had less to work with and so its assumed we didnt have to figure out our classes... I will challenge that with We had less to work with so actually getting anything done was more of a challenge. We had class leads in our guilds that organized whoever was under them and we would help those coming into the raids to make sure they could be of help to the run. We didnt troll each other and criticize each other over item level. It was about the needs of the raid. Resistances being something that was a requirement for every raid, not just Naxx. Molten Core needed Fire resist, hell the tank needed over 400 FR. .... then came Naxx with its frost resist which threw all of us on our butts. the polar opposite of all the gear we had been farming for months... it was a nightmare. Few people remember but there was no resist gear for Holy damage... That was fun also when it came to those types of adds. How about the quests for the classes? oh yeah those aree missing now.. The hunters would get a leaf.. then would have to do some insane crap which included fighting an elite open world demon that would insta kill anyone who assisted. just so they could get the Bow that could transform into a staff... challenging and fun when I did it... yet there is nothing like that in todays WoW. Today WoW is an MMORPG whos core audience is 12 years old. Pokemon pet fights, Lame humor, and political correctness... Where once the humans were racist, they are now buddy buddy with everyone... its a shadow of it former glory and hence why its lost more than 80% of its player base over the years.

@Kingreformed

6 жыл бұрын

"The humans used to be racist, now they're buddy buddy with everyone... it's a shadow of it's former glory" Lmao right wing anyone

@Drunkledore

6 жыл бұрын

he's not wrong... racism was rampant when the orcs invaded and fucked everything up... sounds like today

@mist3279

5 жыл бұрын

So you want to say... You are a whiny, self-entitled bitch? I mean that pow, that comment.. I hope vanilla players stop bitching how it was hard back then, but can't do today's content.

@Joe-oc9rq

4 жыл бұрын

I have found the elitists

@ZaoZaoification

4 жыл бұрын

>assuming racism is somehow bad

as a dps warrior id fill empty slots in my bags with mana pots for the mages and healers (made me' rather popular with them too)

@insectlover602

8 жыл бұрын

You are a saint...

@ZaoZaoification

4 жыл бұрын

you're the best person I ever heard of

What isn't mentioned, is that some bosses were tuned for having the raid on farm. We had to world buff to overcome the lack of gear. (Thaddius, Loatheb, Sapph, gothick and 4h regularly were world buffed for. What is world buffing you say? Break your 40 man into 8 5 mans, go through Dire Maul north. Get the buffs from the bosses. Then meet up in SW or Org, turn in head of onixya or Nefarian, head to Stranglethorn vale to get Heart of Hakkar buffs. Oh, and potions were on a 2 min timer and most players used some potion on CD. (Mana for healers, str/agi/int/crit, for dps) He touched on server issues, but how he left unstated how bad they were. I was on a server with 3 or 4 guilds trying to clear naxx. The ENTIRE server lagged when someone pulled Thaddius. So you had to work with other guilds, and announce over 3rd party apps when you were pulling Thaddius as a kindness. If a different guild was learning Thaddius, you were better off taking the night to clear AQ40 or farming for mats, because 3-5 min of stuttering, buggy mobs and input lag.

@zrmojo

4 жыл бұрын

All the guilds were world buffing. Some guilds would try to kill world buffed players on the way to naxx to grief them. It happened to us and we returned the favor by kidnapping their tanks with mind control.

A point about debuffs: Back then there was an add-on called decursive, which auto targeted and cast whatever debuff removing spell your class had with a single button press. A friend of mine was a holy paladin, and had a parrot that loved picking on his mouse wheel. He would bind the decursive macro to both mouse wheel directions, /follow his class leader, and let his parrot raid molten core. Point is, one of the reasons the naxx debuffs are so excessive is that it was assumed that they would be removed more or less instantly by healers spamming their decursive macro.

i played vanilla but didnt raid back then, now in Panda and then WoD i started raiding srsly and honestly i am sooooo glad that its not like vanilla back then, i really cant understand why some players want those times back....

@lonkor1

9 жыл бұрын

Vanilla=bring down a really hard boss with using tons of consumables 4-5 times then you get a piece of gear. MoP,WoD=bring down an easy as hell boss 1-2 times then you get 2 piece of gear if you are lucky. When you get a piece of gear in vanilla it felt like epic, in MoP,WoD you are like: ok a piece of gear, cool. People generally like challenges in games because easy games seem to be boring. I guess you are an exeption.

@TheHorreK2

9 жыл бұрын

Lonkor EU like i already said, i didnt raid back then. But i know how "difficult" the raiding was, no question, but there is a factor that many overlook: Time. Of course it takes way longer if you need to equip !!40!! people with new resistances every new raid back then, with like 5 items dropps with 1 Boss and dont let me mention the shaman/paladin items that could drop for the other faction. But like i said, lack of content, grinding and everything seemed pointless for me to farm the same mob over and over again (and it still does, i am looking at you, garrsion dailys).

@lonkor1

9 жыл бұрын

That makes sense to me but i still like it.

@primozsever1367

9 жыл бұрын

Back then raiding had meaning... now it's just leeeeeeeroy jenkins trough mystic raids...

@TheHorreK2

9 жыл бұрын

Primož Sever what meaning? grinding your ass of to get items with higher numbers, sorry but looking back it was just extremly boring, now you have to invest a lot less time which is just way better in my eyes.

Not saying we should go back to that exactly, but there really should be some extremely hard content that you have to work towards. You can say, "well there are mythics" but that is essentially the same raid you have done 2 or 3 times over already. It is nothing new or exciting. As an old dev once said, "the world feels a whole lot bigger when there is content out there that is a bit out of reach." It gives you something to look forward to and gives you a drive to do better. No more of this 4 tiers of difficulty with gear that their only differences are is how high their stats are...there is no uniqueness left in the game.

@mr.purple1674

8 жыл бұрын

well said

@collinberend7566

8 жыл бұрын

You again? Didn't expect to see a fellow peasant here,

@HulkRemade

8 жыл бұрын

You think you want new content. You think you do, but you don't.

@Pagnah

8 жыл бұрын

One can just get boosted in Mythic later anyway. It's ridiculous.

@basehead617

8 жыл бұрын

That's so completely true.. i remember starting out as a noob in my ZG/AQ20/MC guild and even seeing a piece of naxx gear in a battleground was incredibly exciting.. the idea of doing the instance was just.. nearly mythical.. it was something you thought of as a year or so away even if your guild was amazing and starting out raiding.. i think that's the main reason people get so bored now.. if there's nothing you haven't seen after a week of an expansion being out, how couldn't you be bored?

Really a good video ! So many memories , makes me wanna cry XD But i think back in those days , WOW has the best experience and connection with people !

Mby i rember it wrong but wasnt the Release ICC undoable even fot the top guilds of the world? (asking this because he said no othet instance came even close to naxx compared in players that killed the endboss) pls correct me if im wrong :D

Health level of Naxx25 equipped level 80 was hardly 35k man. 35k maybe for a tank with all the buffs. Average health for non-tank players was around 20k.

@vavra222

9 жыл бұрын

HitteHunden Wut? I would bet my left spermball that you are wrong. HP like this would be Ulduar-like.

@MrHypotenusan

9 жыл бұрын

vavra222 Yeah, this vid is pretty much BS. I remember as a Shadow Priest in Naxx 25 i had like 16k hp.

@joekerr9197

9 жыл бұрын

HitteHunden Absolutely not. Tanks in Naxx25 had at best 22-25 sometimes maybe a bit more...mostly Druids who were at about 27-28k. It was in Ulduar that the HP started to rise into 40-50k. By the time you finished ToC and went into ICC and geared yourself you would be at 50-55, Druids around 60-65k...and some insanely good geared could go up to 70-80k fully buffed.

@vavra222

9 жыл бұрын

***** So i was not wrong, thanks for the facts :D.

@joekerr9197

9 жыл бұрын

HitteHunden Around 25k-ish to be more correct. I remember it clearly since I tanked.

Wanna hear a funny thing, I am currently getting ready with my guild to do Nax 40 on a private server, we never got to do it in retail, and while we know about the grind, we are all looking forward to it. We are fools.

@bcty11

8 жыл бұрын

How does one get to play on this private server?

@NielsMulvad

8 жыл бұрын

Crutonz well seach "wow vanilla privat" in google... I use one of the first 3 seach hits. Pretty much just seach for vanilla privat servers that are blizzlike (exp 1 goldrate 1)

@koenwijnen6520

8 жыл бұрын

+Niels Mulvad why dont you just give him your server and your username? Or is your story bullshit.

@NielsMulvad

8 жыл бұрын

Koen Wijnen What makes you think I am bullshitting you? No I will not give you my name, and you can search for a server yourself. I told him pretty much which one I use, all he has to do is look for it.

@mr.purple1674

8 жыл бұрын

you're on some bullshit dawg

Hey man big fan here this video is actually one of the first wow vids I really liked, that being said one of your first examples was the locust swarm,, if I remember right in wrath you could just eat it as a tank because the vanilla mechanic to dodge it with the hunter cheese was kind of stupid yeah? I know you gave the example with decurses but are there any other examples of high dmg values you could give

The best part of vanilla was not that naxx was so hard though, it was that there were so many great things to do outside of raiding. I started pretty early on (pre battlegrounds) and i didnt hit 60 until the end of the expansion, just because leveling and meeting people out in the world was so fun.

Yes... it was... I still have nightmares about this place.

@timothygibney159

6 жыл бұрын

I remember having a nightmare of our GM killing a cow in Everyln forest trying to get shit so we could play in Naxx. We had to level up everyone to get anywhere close to being Naxx ready in gear

@argumentfromignorance2410

5 жыл бұрын

The mob SWARM between Noth and Gluth... All your guild back to a wall and a pixel soup wanting to kill you. You couldn't even aim and had to use /assist macros and trust your tanks.

I came in at BC, but I remember the days of Hunters needing ammo AND mana! I admit to being glad that it became Focus instead, but I miss ammo. My level 72 Tauren Hunter still has her ammo pouch from those days. I had stopped leveling her for ages while I focused on other classes. Anyway, huge respect to you, sir. My friend and I took our level 90s through Naxx, only to get hung up on Thaddeus. We have crap machines and that didn't help matters. But man... to have run it back in the day...

@Michelki17

9 жыл бұрын

I started playing like 1,5 year before bc came out. Yeah mana and ammo i do remember that haha. I was shocked and was hard to get used too after they changed that. And it was a pain in the old days :p

@CryOverdage

9 жыл бұрын

lol watch the video where blizzard announces focus for hunters where everyone cheers up. what you saying about those? slaves? i guess so

@illid4nstormr4ge

9 жыл бұрын

I had a Dwarf Hunter back then and i loved the experience (still got 715 ammo) in my bank xD

@Solaxe

9 жыл бұрын

Raven Jenkins Ammo was garbage, you had to sacrifice your bag slots for ammo.. I hate that

@CryOverdage

9 жыл бұрын

Solaxe S thats how hunter are in real life. it makes sense to have ammo. Its not garbage it was the real hunter now they made some magic appearence of shots fired. How do you explain that? Meh more slots in Bag? fuck you

I raided back in vanilla. We started in ZG that had just came out when we started. Continued to Clear MC, Onyxia and BWL. When we started AQ 40 I was delighted to learn about KTM, the threat meter of the day. Yes in vanilla a meter that measured threat was a BIG help, so you wouldn't accidentally out aggro the tank and wipe the raid wich was a big risk, especially for horde without pally buffs. As a hunter with FD, it was less of a concern for me, but still nice. Being ranged DPS I was chosen to be one of 15 people needing to farm nature resistance gear for a fight further in. That ment farming Mauradon over and over again to get green lvl 44 cloth to replace my hunter T2 gear. Not so fun. Also needed to start farming AD rep in preparation for Naxx. Of course you still needed consumables and repair money for the boss you was currently on. At that time I figured I spent more time farming for raids in one way or another than I was actually raiding so I figured, screw this and quit. So if I was spending more time farming for raids than actually raiding before we was halfway in AQ40, I can just imagine what Naxx must have been like. I've always been wholeheartedly again goldbuyers, but for people doing AQ40 and vanilla Naxx, I get it. I never did it myself, but unless you wanted a full time job playing this game, there was no other option. The lack of time to far and refusal to buy gold was the reason I quit. My guild went on to clear AQ40 and kill 2-3 bosses in Naxx before TBC hit. I kinda regret a little not getting to see Naxx back then, but I had other priorities in life than just work, sleep and WoW. There was not time for anything else if you was raiding AQ 40 amd Naxx back then.

Having cleared Naxx 40 in classic, another thing not mentioned in the video is the amount of spell hit your tanks and priests needed. The tanks for taunt not to miss on 4 horsemen (generally a lot of guilds had a 9th tank standing by in case a taunt was missed, until the time where you had 8 warriors with t3 4 piece bonus) and the priests for Mind Control on razuvious and shackle on Gothik. Shadow priests weren't really a thing at the time so most priests didn't have any spell hit gear and almost no warrior up to that point had ever farmed spell hit gear because... well... spell hit gear on a physical damage class made no sense.

I was only able to kill up to 4HM (Last boss my guild downed was Loatheb) so I never got to see Sapphiron or Kel'Thuzad in Vanilla. But man, what great times vanilla were. Almost nothing in gaming will ever be as exciting as the raiding experience was in vanilla for me. TBC was great too, until they did the global 30% hp nerf across everything in the game making even Kil'Jaeden a fuckin joke... But WotLK was where I ended up quitting as it got dull after doing Naxx10/25, so skipped the raids in between it and ICC and did them when I came back when ICC came out and ended up clearing that, which was ok, but not nearly as fun as I had in either vanilla or TBC. And after a few months of playing Cataclysm I decided it was time to move on as that expac is where things got even more dumbed down, which had already happened in WotLK when it came to class mechanics and it just wasn't fun anymore and I was burned out on MMO's. So that's where my WoW journey ended for good, and I'm glad it did after seeing what they did to the game, making it more and more easy and anyone who could mash their skills in a certain pattern was good. All the micro management of even tanking/healing was gone as healers could practically spam aoe heals, and every tank class could aoe tank with the utmost of ease. I specifically remember Gothik the most, as I was a holy priest in vanilla, and I was one of the shacklers for that fight and man that shit practically gave me nightmares after the raids lol. Gothik was so chaotic as a priest that had shackle. On top of having to manage healing a tank that was taking an ass beating as everything in that fight hit extremely hard as well as shackling very specific mobs at very specific times and keeping the shackle refreshed between heals was insane as if it wasn't refreshed very, very often it could break and it would be a wipe 9/10 times. And us on shackle duty had to gimp our healing gear with DPS caster gear to get the 5%(I believe, it's been so long I forget, may have been like 2.5% or so, but that was ~10 years ago ._.) without enough +hit, the potential of missing a shackle could result in an instant wipe. And getting +hit gear as a priest was not easy as our DPS casters needed it before us so we could even progress up to that point. But still, like I said, one of the most memorable and exciting moments I ever had gaming. And while I'll never play a game as hardcore as I played vanilla WoW, let alone another MMO in general, if I had to go back in time, I'd do it all over again.

@Vipeeri

8 жыл бұрын

+shadowboxin420 Thank you for your memories. I could easily relate your story, even tho I myself was quite a casual player. I mean I played a lot (3-8h a day and I was in a highschool), but didn't really get "shit" done so to speak. Hah, now that I think about it, I spent most of the time traveling around zones, ganking and farming stuff. Quite many BGs here and there, but never really thought about ranks/reputation and the items I could acquire through them, even if I had the time for the endless grind. I raided only MC/ONY/BWL and first couple of bosses in AQ40, but never even thought about going to Naxx. I just played until I got the feeling that I've had enough, and stopped. That feeling came like every 3 to 6 months, so I took a few weeks break and always came back. TBC times went kinda the same ways as Vanilla. Casual raiding MH and TK, but never really thought about BT/SW. I enjoyed more World PvP. WOTLK and Cata were the expansions I never really raided anything. I dont even know what the hell I did on WOTLK. I remember doing quite a lot of arenas with my friend, but never really succeeding on it, even tho I considered us both pretty solid keyboard cowboys (meaning good skills). I started Cata because the only thing that bothered me in WoW was the lack of arena succes. So as a shadowpriest, I recruited a shaman and a mage to my 3v3 team (which I knew was quite a good setup) and yes, it worked! I finally got to experience some success on arena. It got a lot harder past 1800MMR, so we finally had to practice different strategies and were steadily getting past 2k rating and it was fun. But this fun ended a bit too soon. I was about 22yo, and ofc was thinking more and more about real life and why am I still putting so many hours to this game. I remember looking at all the addons and shit on my screen while doing arenas and noticed that it wasn't as intuitive as it was in Vanilla. It was actually quite boring. So the feeling of 'I've had enough' came a lot sooner than in Vanilla, and I decided to quit it for the last time. My playtime on Cata was only about 2 months. Now, getting close to 30yo, I would/could never put in as many hours on a videogame as a highschooler could. Yet, I'm still waiting for something as big and eventful as WoW, which will highly unlikely ever happen. And this may be the reason I'd also do it all over again, if I had to back in time (apart from WOTLK and Cata tho hah :).

@LeTsZaguito

8 жыл бұрын

Haha, same with my guild!

"how many guilds killed kelthuzad?" '23' - "no you're wrong, 23" thanks man

@Kpazz

6 жыл бұрын

IKR, the guy is up his own arse from the start lol.

Sunwell came close to that number or percentage of completion, it was insane. Naxx in Wrath was pretty easy :S.

@ScootieXP

4 жыл бұрын

When Sunwell came out I didnt even understand the mechanics for the dragon/human fight, I believe that was the second boss in there but by that time I wasnt even hardcord raider just a spor filler if I was needed. :)

Another question worth asking is why you were farming on your healer. In my guild during classic, everyone had multiple alts. My main was a druid tank but I had fury warrior and holy priest alts. Both my druid and warrior were decked out in BWL gear, my priest had MC gear. You didn't need to swap specs or try to farm things as holy/resto.

@HamsterWheelGaming

Жыл бұрын

Because I didnt have any level 60 alt to farm with, I had a 48 mage and thats it

Hey dude, thanks for making this video with the statistics and compares. I really liked it and enjoyed watching it :) For me personally Naxx 40 is the best raid that i did (raided everything till LK25). Also raided Naxx for 2 years on Feenix Warsong realm (cleared everything except Kel'thuzad). Even thou it's a private server i feel like i have achieved something by doing it, coz it's hard as hell. Like always keep 'em coming, big fan :)

@HamsterWheelGaming

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment, and I'd love to do naxx 40 on warsong but my gear on my main char only allows to tag along with MC pugs and maybe some BWL if I'm really really lucky so naxx 40 is unfortunately out of the question for me. I salute you for getting all the way up to KT, that takes some serious dedication :)

@stormx9

9 жыл бұрын

HamsterWheelGaming Great video man! I have played on feenix and their standard of quality is to low for me, don't know about you, but you should check out www.kronos-wow.com/

And for the preparation mages had to log in like 30 minutes prior to make food and water for everyone. Warlocks were farming soulgems for 1 hour before the raid (at least) and hunters had to buy ammo that was made by an engineer because different ammo had different damage values.

Damn, we played on the same server! I remember you guys. I was raiding with Ninth Order on the alliance side. We got through, like, two wings before TBC. I can't remember if you guys were one of the guilds which switched over with us when a whole bunch of guilds transferred from Dragonmaw to Frostmane.

I didn’t see anyone mention it, but in vanilla you needed all 8 tanks to have 4pc Dreadnought (T3) for the +5% hit chance on taunt so that it wouldn’t miss. Because if a single taunt missed, that was a wipe and tank swaps were very often over a very long fight.

Really hated when my bullets ran out as a hunter

@leaguesuck2869

8 жыл бұрын

feelsbadman

@jeanmartin1373

8 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows all hunters were afk autoshot back then.

@sik3xploit

6 жыл бұрын

I really liked it when hunters bought my bullets off the AH. I was making good money until Blizz decided hunters didn't need a pouch for ammo anymore.

@patrikschonning4539

6 жыл бұрын

Skitz yea asks mage for portal end then 4 ppl ran out to sum u back just to kill the mobs again to get back to the boss room

@dvr1337

6 жыл бұрын

Skitz that happened in wrath aswell

Same here, only cleared a handful of bosses. Looking forward to shattering my face again in Classic WoW :D

The guild I was in on Doomhammer Wolf Pack; we got the first 3 down and then we didn't do Nax anymore...lol.

@AlexMartinezSalvador

4 жыл бұрын

The first 3 bosses were the only doable and they were crazy

So does this mean Mythic ToS is harder than classic Naxx seeing as it took longer for them to down the instance?

I'm sure the respec cost was 50g at cap. Might be wrong but that's what I remember. But damn I loved vanilla wow and TBC. Nothing beat the feeling of a guild first kill. The screaming and frantic whooping and all huddling up for a screenshot next to the downed boss. I do feel the LFR and the fact that the logistics of raiding being made so easy has completely ruined raiding for me. I think when people say they miss vanilla wow, it's important to note that it was really a different game and it was played VERY differently. The social aspect was far stronger. Mechanically it was far weaker than todays game but I don't think the trade off was worth it. It doesn't feel like an MMO any more. It feels like a glorified lobby where you run around tapping jump outside the AH until your screen goes "DUM DUM DUUUUM!" and whisks you away to some raid with a bunch of whingy tossers you never met before."

@RPDSurvivor

8 жыл бұрын

+Fangle Spangle That's what it's become. The current state of WoW can be pretty much a single player game, if so chosen. It's perfect for people like me, who have a lot less time (and willpower) to allot to the game but still want to feel like they've got some form of power in the game. What was sacrificed to achieve that though was substance, which is what kept me in the game for all these years. WoD was the final nail in the coffin for hardcore players, and I'm happy to say I'm on Nostralius now. I used to tell myself the glory days were in the past and my WoW is dead. Not anymore. ;')

@ModeratorUK

8 жыл бұрын

+Cort Vermin It was definitely a 50g max. It did go up over time but i'm 110% certain it was a 50g cap.

@SeanFarFlung

8 жыл бұрын

+RPDSurvivor uh oh... how've you been since nostalrius was shit down? think you'll come back again? :)

@sheldonhart1033

8 жыл бұрын

+Sean Bent I just found it Nos was shut down. I'm going to Excalibur now.

@Clouds23x

8 жыл бұрын

+Fangle Spangle heh 50g was crazy expensive, even later in TBC it was still quite a lot if you, there was no Dual Spec even. I remember doing all dungeons in Vanilla and TBC as Fury Warrior with friend 2 Mages for sheeps and 2 Healers so I could stay alive without Prot :) Was actually really good Setup Warrior (Fury), 2x Mage, Holy Priest, Holy Paladin :)

You left out probably the biggest reason as to why most people didn't clear naxx 40. Your points were valid. However missed the main reason, Time frame. Blizz released naxx 40 then announces the first ever wow expansion. You call your guild hardcore and I'm sure it was. However, most hardcore guilds who cleared BW, MC, AQ, etc were tired. You said it yourself. 40man runs take its tole. And with the release of naxx 40 and BC right around the corner most people took a break to get ready for BC since leveling greens from BC would be better than naxx40 gear. I think you missed the biggest reason of all. People just didn't wanna waste their time because when naxx40 was released Blizz basically made it outdated from day one. And that's why the completion percentage was so low....

@jynxycats

4 жыл бұрын

"However, most hardcore guilds who cleared BW, MC, AQ, etc were tired. " ???? You mean players just stopped playing because suddenly a new expansion was coming out? No, we kept playing and trying to get new gear because Naxx was new and damn exciting. What are these stupid hot takes lol.

Just found this, got hit with a bit of nostalgia. I didn't do Naxx40, I actually hit lvl 60 like a month or 2 before TBC, so I didn't have the time. What I remember though, is 2 things : - Even in TBC, farming for consumable was a thing that still took quite a bit of time, and as a mage, I remember for longer fight having to time my potions and mana gems. I even remember for longer fights preparing every level of mana gems just to be able to last. And I feel like there was something about seeing the fight last, and seeing my gems slowly deplete and knowing that OoM was coming, but having to find ways to push on. It was a nice feeling (our first down of Lady Vashj is actually something I think I'll always remember). - The second thing is, by late TBC, before it was removed, people started to organize Naxx40 raids, just so people could see the dungeon. And even with all our gear, our 10 level higher, our new spells, the raid was brutal (granted it was pickups, and some people didn't care about the strat). We wiped quite a few times, and some people were shocked by it. I remember getting the T3 shoulders for my mage, and was very happy about it, because even if it was nowhere neaar as the same achievement as doing it lvl 60, it was still something.

Hearing theses numbers actually makes me slightly proud that our super casual fun guild back in the days managed to clear spider wing (easiest obviously) and Razuvious. I seem to remember that we tried some of the further bosses like Patchwork or Noth, but didn't quite make it before the release of BC. Also I feel you pain about being a healer back then. As a dedicated holy priest (and Tank group 1 main healer) I did quite a bit of farming for potions and food. Even levelling cooking, fishing and your profession (Alchemy in my case) was a task in itself. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it's bad that so many things have gotten easier lately. I think many activities in vanilla were innecessarily tedious, but that is just the way it is whn a game develops over such a long time and I look back fondly at these days. :)

@Fliptality

5 жыл бұрын

thats why Vanilla raids were never even hard. "super casual fun guilds" never even made it past Sunwell Plateau first boss

The key issue with Vanilla WoW wasn't it's relative difficulty. It was the fact that to progress through Vanilla WoW Raiding you had to dedicate nearly every waking hour to it. There was no conceivable way to do all that was required to play at the top level without surrendering your entire life to it. The main focus of nearly EVERYTHING in Vanilla WoW was to make everything be as time-consuming as possible.

@catnium

5 жыл бұрын

i was in a raiding guild that cleared everything up to and including WOTLK . our raiding schedule was 5 nights a week from mon to fry ,. weekends off. we started at 19:00 and ended at 24:00 every week day.. that's all that's needed to progress and farm raids for gear for about 80 raiders. couple of hours a couple of days in the week. no need to no life if your guild knows what its doing.

@WarDaft

5 жыл бұрын

Catnium you literally just described 25 hours a week, which is literally more than a part time job.

@hellinterface6721

5 жыл бұрын

Not true at all.

@BrayZap

5 жыл бұрын

That's where WoW originally got the stereotype for South Park episode where there's just a fat dude in his room doing nothing but playing the game and not doing anything else in life lol. Now its anything but that, everyone is spoonfed everything and given to them right away.

Our guild during vanilla was 1 of 2 alliance guilds that always led progression on our server. Naxx 40 changed our guild. It forced us to start looking for talent from other servers to get them to move to ours. We started questioning the skills of established old school members. It tore us apart really. I would come home from work and immediately start farming mats in preparation for the Naxx run that night. We'd go hard till 11 or 12 late at night. Rinse and repeat all week. Our progression was good and not that far behind some of the world leaders at one point. For our guild this pace was unsustainable. We made it up to and beat Sapphiron as a guild. Things fell apart afterwards. A core group from the guild joined with a core group from another guild and we eventually killed Kel'Thuzad. I think we did it a few weeks before TBC came out. I was glad some of us got to beat it after what we went through. Although I continued to play WoW until Warlords of Draenor, I never seriously raided after that. It was such a toxic experience I could never do it again. I've done some but it was usually with friends in 25 man dungeons that weren't brand new. It was fun runs with content that was known. Friends and I did PVP mostly after and had great fun. I still have my full T3 Redemption set that I use for xmog. RIP Reign

@peterkent6250

2 жыл бұрын

it only took us 15 years to figure out you could just cheese all fights using world buffs and banning most classes from raid XDXD naxx is still in classic ridiculous hard with a group that doesn't know each mechanic and have protection pots+ resist gear for sapphron. not to mention damn good tanks. i couldn't imagine doing any of it 15 years ago. You were my teenage nerd dream XDXD then i got to do naxx in classic fully world buffed in a run where they checked out previous raid performances and vetted every player and it look 1h :|:|:|:| (just short) if it wasnt for players like you thought it wouldnt be possible now!

@leholie93

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterkent6250 I'm jealous

Wonder if they had the title achievement for Naxx 40

Damn this brought back some memories. Was part of the guild that was #11 in the U.S. to clear it. Surge on Burning Blade server. I remember being a kid raiding until like 5 am to down bosses in there. That 4 horseman fight is absolutely insane and requires so much coordination iirc.

I am returning to Classic WoW for just the CHANCE of entering Naxx for the first time.

@DJSLANKMAN

4 жыл бұрын

Same I played on original release but casually played and never did any of the raids. Max is so damn cool looking tho

@DeathAndTac0s

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not even gonna attempt to do naxx I'd rather sit in goldshire and masturbate

@Daniel-ld7xs

4 жыл бұрын

@@DeathAndTac0s 😂😂😂

@MostlyFish21

4 жыл бұрын

@@DeathAndTac0s lol

@Nj888chu

3 жыл бұрын

Same here lol !

People are not wrong when they say these fights were mechanically easy in comparison to raids today, that is a correct statement. The problem was (as shown in this video) were the absolutely insane scale of the abilities the bosses had. For example, the locust swarm doing 1,200 damage a second when i remember my rogue maybe having close to 4k hp? That's a little harsh especially coming from a first boss. I would also disagree that most modern day bosses aren't really that hard, it just requires a bit of thinking. In whatever way they may be.. naxx 40 is probably the hardest raid WoW has ever seen.

I believe Frostwhisper-EU had a split team running for world first. Cleared in around 3 weeks? What happened to that?

I remember wiping for months on these bosses. Glad I was part of a team to take it down. !!

I first came into contact with World of Warcraft on 18 feb. 2006. People that remember those vanilla days, remember how absolutely difficult it was to get attuned to raids, raid, organize and go on months on end without a piece of gear. Do you remember when getting that first ever piece of epic-equipment, months after working on your character and you would stare at it for minutes and couldn't believe your eyes? Do you remember when the high levels (back then, 60 wasn't the easiest thing to do) used to ride their 100% mounts next to you while you tried keeping up, but still felt pride in your 60% mount that you worked so hard for? Do you remember how you glanced with respect on those FEW server legends that were full epic and you wanted it BAD to get there too? Do you remember when you used to play a late night WSG and see one of those "Marshal" / "Warlord" ranked players and thought of how bad-ass they were? But .....do you remember when the raid was foremost about experiencing the hardest depth of the world you were in and the gear was just the means to the end of seeing more of that content and not the idea of having it first hand? Last time I played World of Warcraft was 2011 and probably never will again. I won't claim that the game is bad, I won't whine that it's easy now or so forth, but people need to understand that we old schoolers grew up in those times, where your character was a badge of pride and a monument of hard work.. my two cents.

I used to say you don't know what patience really is before leveling your main at 60 with 1.5 fps XD

My DKP deficit was so bad after my guild helped me build my thunderfury that I dropped from main tank to 3rd tank and went into Naxx with pretty much only might.

Taunt resists on Horsemen (and tanks downgrading trinkets to eliminate the taunt resists), resists on Mind Control on Instructor...resists were all over the place and very random. Respawning trash was a problem in BWL as well (suppression room). Also, don't forget that flasks could only be crafted in certain laboratories (BWL and Stratholme)...Nihilum won the world first race for KT through persistance and I remember farming world buffs to be able to be on par with others.

THIS is what WoW needs to go back to. Back to what made World of Warcraft the number 1 MMORPG of all time.

@eganimation8021

9 жыл бұрын

Brian Buchanan Yes because making content for 1/1000 people is surely a good long time investment plan everybody on the company will agree on. Grow some brains pls.

@GreybeardBiker1

9 жыл бұрын

EgAnimatiOn More than you think, not that you'll ever be able to see anything but what concerns you or what you want. Go fuck yourself please.

@eganimation8021

9 жыл бұрын

Brian Buchanan Trust me, i would love if they did. I am 1/1000 that will try to get in there, but think logically man. It's dumb to do. How would you feel that for every 1000 of hours work 999 are wasted? Not that good i assume.

@eganimation8021

9 жыл бұрын

Brian Buchanan Ps: go fuck yourself pls

@GreybeardBiker1

9 жыл бұрын

It's spelled please. Not that I expect someone of your.....intellect to be able to grasp that concept.

Can't wait until legacy servers are released! We get to do this again! :)

@desollador20

8 жыл бұрын

really? omg, ill play again whitout bullshit

@diaz2144

8 жыл бұрын

Me too lol, im definitely coming back if they announce legacy vanilla servers in the Blizzcon

@hs2874

8 жыл бұрын

After Blizz shut down the biggest private vanilla server Nostalrius, they invited its leaders for a meeting in their headquarters. They sounded interested in setting something like that up. Look up the news story. IMHO it won't work, once we've grown accustomed to easy leveling, no effort raiding and auto-PUGs, would be hard for most players to go back to running till you get your first (slow) mount at 40.

@marcelus85er

8 жыл бұрын

for a shitload of gold

@MetallicaMaiden95

8 жыл бұрын

i just went lvled to 51 on kronos. took me 7,5 days played time. getting dat kodo on at lvl 40 was more so delicious.

My guild was near end of bwl and entry aq40 during this period, lots of the issues were compensated for by simply having a good guild. You weren't some random member you put in an application form to the guild and went through try outs. Getting attuned (usually gained by running guild alts or speed runs in general) wasn't bad. Enchaters Mats typically provided by guild as Mc, bwl, aq 20 and zg were on farm status and cheaper then outright buying them. And having multiple high level alts for farming mats was very common as dual specs as pointed out were far to pricey.

I feel you WOW raiding was/is such a combination of fun and hope disappointment. It does strengthen relationships until it's too many fails. As long as there's progress it's possible to move on but when you're stalled on a boss for too long it becomes difficult to motivate the whole team to give 100% Some might enter the raid without farming flasks etc and hope to be carried. My guild used to include a gold charge for people turning up without requisite mats or flasks. This was WOTLK so I have no idea how much harder it would have been back then. I started WOW just before BC. A group of 5 of us doddled up to lvl100 over years. We played in the same group every wednesday Night. (Hunter, Rogue, Paladin, Priest, Warrior) We always lacked a mage for AOE. It was fun times though. We managed about 8 years with the full group then we dropped to 4 and then 3. Wotlk was the highlight beacuse we all joined the same rading guild and raided together. That was fun. And a big commitment even then. Loving WOW classic. Great videos. Luv and Peace.

No matter how fancy blizzard gets with modern day boss mechanics, nothing will ever top the difficulty of running Thaddius with 40 players all on mid 2000s internet connections.

@asch7906

4 жыл бұрын

The real Mythic difficulty right there.

I loved Naxx, but the biggest problem was really the timing. Most raiders started dropping off not seeing a point in spending 4 hours a day raiding a place knowing the gear would be 100% obsolete in a couple months.

Yeah, our guild was learning with 32-34 people and sometimes had to get outside help to fill the ranks. Got Patchwerk, Grobbylous, Anubrihkan, Gothik and Razuvious. With only 32-34 turning up each week we had no hope and were lucky to get that far.

There are also a number of inaccuracies in this video. Properly geared clothies had way more than 4000 hp. I did naxxramas in a mix of mostly dungeon blues, some pvp gear, some tier 1 gear and benediction (epic priest weapon). This gave me slightly over 4000 hp; I remember this since you needed 4000 hp to survive Anubarak's impale. I assume actual tier 2 gear/tier 2.5 gear would grant up to 4500-5000 hp for clothies. By the time naxx was released, there were a number of reforms going that started adding things like spelldamage to dungeon blues and pvp gear (even the blue pvp gear, which was decently attainable), which made it easier to get into those dungeons without actually needing to get full tier1/full tier 2. And then there were completely broken addons like Heart which allowed you to heal better than an AI; if you used that addon, you basically outhealed everyone regardless of gear.

I loved Vanilla and I'm loving Vanilla again now. IMHO it's more atmospheric, more peaceful in many areas and it's not like playing a game designed for 8 year old kids. WOW today (again IMHO) is too easy to play. There are a lot of people saying how long it took to get to level 60...and? I had the most fun getting to 60, grinding now and again, improving my mining, engineering, fishing, first aid etc. You were going up levels just trying to advance these other skills. To me it seemed to be a perfect balance of difficulty and time and the sense of achievement was amazing! Why do I want to finish a game as quickly as possible when it's a joy to play...? Another favourite computer game of mine was Elite so if anyone relates to that, can you remember trying to get from Dangerous to Deadly and then from Deadly to Elite? It took forever, but that was the idea!

Amazing video, subbed!

@General12th

9 жыл бұрын

MangsandZerul Wow! I didn't expect you in the WoW part of KZread.

@Mangs1337

9 жыл бұрын

Wei Zhao I don't think a guy with 14 subs should give anyone KZread advice ;)

@Mangs1337

9 жыл бұрын

***** I've actually played WoW since Vanilla. I've been meaning to make WoW content on my channel for some time now, but I really don't know what I could do that hasn't been done a million times over already :)

9 жыл бұрын

MangsandZerul I don't need to be a master chef to say that your food sucks ;) ;) ;) fuck off with your attitude.

@General12th

9 жыл бұрын

Wei Zhao If you're talking about subscriber burn, then yeah, Mangs does kinda suffer from that. Unrelated: I've always wanted to do a WoW LP, but then I realized there's so many already and I probably couldn't make it interesting with commentary. Oh well.

the crazy thing about naxx is when u did it back in vanilla ur pc dispenses vanilla naxx ice cream (green color) and you have to lick it

That "Disconnected from Server" button was on the screen way too long. I wanted to click it so badly.

"i was in one of the top raiding guilds" is what I've heard from so many WoW players.

naxx 40 in vanilla (and the release of tbc which nullified the hard work) made me never want to pve again. I've still only pvpd since then.

@coreygravely6

7 жыл бұрын

It took my guild something like 28 hours in vanilla. I still have nightmares.

@mhx47

7 жыл бұрын

NOW I understand outrage and disappointment of people seeing better green gear drop in Hellfire Peninsula. I started playing on TBC so I had no idea how hard it was to get that top gear. Not even close to how hard it was.

@Sammysapphira

7 жыл бұрын

mhx47 the point is you did it when it was hard. Think of it like winning a gold medal in the 1920 Olympics. Those athletes sucked shit compared today, but they worked equally hard and were simply limited by technology. Winning the gold is still impressive, regardless if it was beaten thousands of times with the advent of scientific dieting and exercise (gear and lots of guides are analogous)

@mhx47

7 жыл бұрын

benblue3 Yes, but then first green drop from world mob or Q in Outland and... the feelings when it is better than what you fought for so long not so long ago.

is it possible to still play old naxx?

@stanzapalny2123

Жыл бұрын

Yes, in WoW Classic Era

You should have a dps caster set of gear with you for farming as a healer. Even if you don't have the talents the spell damage helps a lot.