Good videos Joel, I'm not even a Beemer man, but have a slight soft spot for the z4s and really like the presentation of your videos, subscribed!

Hi Joel, Thanks to all your videos, I’ve bought a E89 23i Msport today, it is fantastic, am soooo pleased, fantastic channel mate, you should definitely upgrade to E89 and post loads of vids 👍

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure mate, I hope you enjoy it!

Just bought an '07 e86 3.0si Sport. Picked it up yesterday and I already love it 👌

@youngcalimigga

3 ай бұрын

What’s the difference between E 85,86

Hi Joel, nice vid! I have had the z3 1.9 as my first car. Loved it but i wanted more power. My second car was de e85 z4 3.0. Absolutely loved it! The sound of the engine was amazing. Power was allright. I had the m suspension, but it wasn’t too stiff. I’ve had it for two years as a daily driver. Never had any issues. Very solid car. But i always wanted the e89 z4. I personally just love the looks, exterior as well as interior. Now i have the z4 35is and i couldn’t be happier. I think if you have the m adaptive suspension, you wont miss the e85. You can definitely feel that its a heavier car, but with the adaptive suspension it can be quite sporty. So in my opinion its a great upgrade! And if you realy love the e85, maybe de z4m is a good option ;) but that would be a second car for me (if i had the money😂). Kind regards from the Netherlands!

Thanks Joel and thank Ben. Nice video and interesting to hear the comparison. The M E85/6 vs. E89 35is is an interesting comparison. The M is even more of a weekend car and manual only - so quite different to the E89. But I imagine the torque and DCT could be an appealing combo for some.

I owned a 2.5 E85 (2006) about 8 years ago, then upgraded to a E89 25i, which looked better and was more stylish, but it didn’t have as much of the fun factor as the E85. Also the E85 was a 6 cylinder, but E89 was a 4, which also didn’t sound as nice. Anyway, I have since owned a Cayman 718 S and have now gone back to a 2007 3.0si (E85), which has the most fun factor of all of them. I won’t be letting this one go!

@01dixieforever01

22 күн бұрын

Should have gotten the 6 turbo! It’s a ton of fun! Way more power than the e85!

Joel friend: this is not just a compliment, it's the truth you are a legit *pro* mate we wish you continue making these awesome vids. Cheers

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!!

For under $10k and under 100k miles The 3.0 E 85 is the best car I’ve ever driven so far. Only had it here but it had to replace an old muscle car. It ended up replacing that and my daily driver. It’s so confident and stable everywhere I look as long as it’s well-maintained to go on a long road trip people only say “bring a hat and sunscreen“ It is a lot of bang for your buck and thankfully doesn’t come with any touchscreens, but still has many modern features, including a dozen airbags I’ve used it to haul lumber. I’ve used it to haul ass, even cruising slow people think you are rich driving this thing they are a dime a dozen. Now I’d the time to enjoy a Z4

As an e89 owner, thank you for posting this!

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Justen, thanks for watching!

I think the E89 looks great, but the extra size and weight put me off. Metal roof is a good idea but I find the E85 roof is just fine on the motorway. Driving a Z3 puts both in perspective, more fun but no way as good an overall car.

Dang those wheels look good on that E89

As a designer i prefer e85. Its a masterpiece and its in a sweet spot of these zed series cars. Its a very classic type of segment and things like rag top fits in to that just perfectly.

@UnderMyPalm

Жыл бұрын

🏆Well said. Saving up for a 6spd.3.0 boy have the prices shot up in the states for lower mileage.

@anttitirri5818

Жыл бұрын

@@UnderMyPalm Yesterday I bought Z4 e85 roadster with low milege and a good service history. Its 2.5l model with five speed manual transmission. Its actually very basic version without many optional extras. It has black leather seats and m sport suspension. The only things that I desperately wanted to have was manual transmission, six sylinder engine and aluminium trim.

@DandyWaves

6 ай бұрын

The only issue I have with the e85 is the lack of power and mod friendly the platform is. 230-250bhp + fbo/tune not even 280bhp

@DandyWaves

6 ай бұрын

​@@UnderMyPalmgot mine 132k miles salvage title for 1600$ usd back in March 2023

I've been driving z4s since 2007 (started with 2.5 roads se) - and taken out a top end 3.5si when my 2.5 was looking a little long in the tooth. The 35si was a lovely car but definitely more tourer than sports - it importantly however completely lacked the striking sense of occasion I always felt with my 2.5. Luckily, I then had the opportunity to take out a rare z4m in prestine condition - let's just say there was no comparison. I think the latest gen sound like boy racer cars with the nasty turbo release valve sound - it's missing the trademark roar of the naturally aspirated 6 pot. The Z4M has its problems (gear box is acquired taste), but it's one hell of a car that always turns heads. Find one of those instead. Nice channel - I think you love these motors as much as I do Joel!

As a daily driver the E89 is simply much better.. So if you want or need to upgrade all depends on what you want out of the car and what your budget is..

i went straight to an e89 but i love the two sides of it...comfy auto cruise car....and reasonably quick sporty gt....its not a pure sports car...but for me its as much a roof down cruise around machine...if i had an elise or boxster i would need to drive it harder to get same enjoyment...

Wow Joel- relaxed? quiet? comfort? Im older than your dad and I love the E86 coupe because its raucous and full blown analog drive. Hardly an upgrade unless its a daily driver.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Would definitely be a daily driver for me. Only have space for one car

I just sold my 2007 2.5i M sport and bought a 2011 23i M sport Highline Edition. I much prefer the e89. Better styling, slightly faster, slightly more economical, better ride quality (the e89 is on 19" rft and still drives better than the e85 did on 18" non rft) and far superior interior. If you have the funds, go for the e89!

@Crime_pays

8 ай бұрын

Pete I’ve put an e89 body on my 04 z4 and I’m afraid to tell you that’s It’s also faster than yours

I have been looking around for an e89 35is honestly it’s a better daily while the e85 is more fun chucking it around. But the e89 has more tuning potential and with proper suspension it will make a more well rounded car.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I'm an E89 owner and love my 35i twin Turbo. I also think the E89 is a far sexier car than the E85. My E89 goes like stink and handles great. it's no F1 car but it handles curvy mountain roads here in the states great.

I absolutely love my E85, I’ve been out in it today donutting in the snow 😂 (on a private car park in Mexico 😉). I looked at the E89 before getting my E85 to decide whether to wait a bit longer and get an E89 or just get an E85 straight away. I personally prefer the looks of the exterior of the E85 but just wish the interior was more modern! Main reason I chose the E85 was cost. I would definitely consider the E89 as an upgrade in a year or so (unless I win the lottery and then I’d get a brand new one)

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome mate 😂

@WanderingFriar

3 жыл бұрын

You're doing it right. You absolutely should own the E85 for a while and when you want a bit more creature comforts then go for the E89. You will want the 35iS, trust me on this!

Great vid. I've got an E85 & my dad had an E89....I'm convinced the E85 is a better car, & looks better too.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jon!

@inspectorchicken

5 жыл бұрын

imo two totally different cars. One is a true roadster and the other is a luxury cruiser

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Great video Joel. I would like an E89 but still putting my daughter through university. Med school is on her. I might upgrade then. I still like my E85 because it is raw and base and does not have the creature comforts. I’m sure I’ll think differently in a year or two. I’ll get sick of my FM transmitter Bluetooth ghetto setup and will be pining for an “old man spec” suspension. Cheers.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil, will definitely be an upgrade to consider in the future.

great vid! the biggest downside of the e89 is that the roof blocks your trunk when opened so going on a weekend trip with open roof limits your baggage massiv. even shopping isn't possible. the e85/86 is a real roadster, no luxury etc just pure. i do think they also look more special. best wishes to you

@itsjoel

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I did a road trip in this E89 and that was frustrating!

Joel, which would you choose, e89 35i or e85 z4m? And why please?

The best upgrade from an e85 is an e86 M Coupe! :-D

@SlasherXGAMES

5 жыл бұрын

Coupe is definitely a solid vehicle. But come on, what about the E85 M Convertible? Now that's a machine!

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

If it was my second car, yes.

How E89 compares with the Z4M that you have driven with Evolve kit?

Where did you buy that bottom front lip??? I have been trying to find one just like that for mine and can't find it anywhere

Hello. I’m 6ft 3in.. E85 out of the question or doable? Thanks in advance. Joe.

Is it possible to run the 35is in sport plus so you get the more aggressive gear changes whilst keeping traction on. We tried sport plus then putting traction back on & it put us back into regular sport again.

Great video Joel! Great insights and like the presentation style of you both together 👌

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rich!

So are they saying the E85/86 3.0 is more reliable over the 2.0?

I own a 07 3.0si and it is just great fun. Personally, the e89 has a great front however the e85 has the better butt. It's unfortunate they will not make an M version, manual, hardtop of the 2019 z4. I would like my next car to be an M so I might look into that new m2 competition.

Is the 2011 road legal? Where is the front number plate?

Awesome vid Joel, lots of people will be looking at auto trader now 😂

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

I know right, pretty much all I do! 😅

Nice bloopers mate

What is the power output of E89 ? Is it. 300 bhp and 500 nm ?

Great video Joel it is interesting the differences between the E85 and E89, the E89 certain seems more refined than the E85 and I do like the styling of the E89 at the front, still not struck on the rear looks and for me the boot space just let's the E89 down for practicality I don't think I could live with such a small boot compared with my E85 especially for holiday luggage with the roof down.

Great vid

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching mate!

Have you done a feature on Z4 28simsport?

It has 212hp/t vs the 3.0si which has 196hp/t so the e85 is not much slower that’s 8% less but the torque/mass is 312 vs 230 35% less. This means when both at low rpm the e89 is 35% faster but with both around the max power only 8% slower on theory. Another factor is the power to air drag ratio and with similar drag it will be 340/265 28% worse for e86 which applies at high speed when air drag is high.

I have a 07 e85 and If i were given the choice between a 35is and a Z4M I would choose a 35is.. It is faster, MUCH better interior, better looking exterior, seems like the perfect car

First comment! Nice video Joel, mine it´s a 2004 z4 e85 2.5i space grey

@azzy274

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly same as mine, Great cars!

I've got a e89 2.5 straight 6 s drive and I disagree with the advice to go straight for the 3 litre, the n52 is a beast it's the 2.0 litre 4 bangers you should avoid, got mine at 41k miles for 9 grand

I've had Z4 E89 for 7 years, never even considered the earlier versions as i didn't like the pram like hood.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

You should definitely drive an earlier version if you get a chance!

@flybobbie1449

4 жыл бұрын

@@itsjoel My business partners favourite car was her Z3. And she has had all sorts of cars.

People stop me at the gas station asking about it. Their 2014 highlander costs 3x what I paid. Straight six with a timing, chain variable valve, timing, deliberate cam that’s just a modern vehicle. This really was the deal when it was new, but they age very well as long as you take care of the plastics.

For Me, I am sure BMW have made driving improvements etc, but I prefer the look of the 2004 E85 Z4, the more modern styling updates lose some of the original character of the original design, the bonnet being one and the classic Z lines in the side of the car as well as the more pronounced tail lip on the boot. I think I would prefer the older and outdated driving experience of a car that is maybe more fun, the 2011 E89 Z4 would be too refined for someone like me wanting to go back to my youth and have a real driving experience where the car needs a bit more attention to keep it on the road. Just my view, but I am sick of modern cars almost driving themselves, so my 2016 car as nice as it is and efficient as it is needs to go! ;)

If you have the money for VRS wide body kit, the e89 is a no brainer, without that preference is up to someoe

I can't agree with "rather get a 3.0+ E85 for reliability" I'm afraid. I've had a E85 2.0i for just over 2 years now and have had no mechanical problems whatsoever. It's a nice beginners' convertible with great street presence. I think it realistically comes down to mileage, model year, and history. An '05 is going to have 3 years' more bad luck on her that any '08 model. Also, auto = ewwww XD

Lolz my E85 had its fair share of bad luck in the first months as well, after two weeks the alternator went bad, two months after the starter motor died XD

If it was me, I'd get both. One for daily and a night out and one for weekend/summer fun. Hell, I'm half way there. Just need to find a manual e89 with a working roof. Specifically the 35i. Manual with twin turbo.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, that would be the ideal! They’re different enough cars to have both of them. Although I’d have the DCT E89 and a manual E85

@2010ngojo

5 жыл бұрын

While I do like the higher hp of the 35is, I gotta have the manual.

@adamran7533

5 жыл бұрын

Are there often issues with the roofs on the e89s? I know there is with the e85 but didn’t know the e89s had issues.

@2010ngojo

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamran7533 I didn't really do too much research on the roof issues. But the e85 roof system is more complex, so if there are issues it would be harder to fix. Though I think it would be harder to find a manual e89 than one without roof issues.

@2010ngojo

5 жыл бұрын

Now I have a conundrum. There's a 2006 z4m roadster and a 2009 z4 35i for nearly the same prize. Both manual, z4m has twice the mileage though @ 160k. Damn.

Joel your E85 will be faster in the corners, E89 is more of a GT/cruiser where as the E85 is a sports cars; different cars. I had a test drive in E89 35is & the F Type, they felt like GT cars. I wanted a sports cars so it was a no go for me...The E85 you could take on a track-day, the E89 is too heavy...

I will not upgrade to the E89 as this car will not age well as my E86, my E86 captures the essence of the Z car and looks far better than the e89 and the current Zupra. E89 is for the refined driver which I am not looking for to be honest, it is all about NA engine straight six the BMW perfected before going turbo. E86 provokes emotion from different angle when compare to the bland e89, however I am sure that the e89 is a good car but it lack the raw feel of the OG Z.

@LiveLifeLasting

5 жыл бұрын

You can’t drive your e86 roof down though

What's the reason people are saying don't get a 2 litre Z4? As I ride motorcycles, even the 3 litre Z4 is painfully slow....if you're not buying a Z4 for the speed then surely the 2 litre is fine if you just want a Z4 for the looks and nothing else.....

Does seem that Z4s pick up less bills than Boxers. If Boxers go wrong, it seems to be terminal, whereas higher spec Z4s seem to be more reasonable when things go wrong. ....... I think....... Does anyone have experience of this personally?

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

I know that the Z4s are cheaper to maintain than the Boxster’s predominately because in those the engine is located centrally under the roof mechanism. The 3.0 Z4 is particularly cheap to maintain because the engine is so mass produced and parts are easy to come by

great video👍🏻 my name is Joel too

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joel!

The 35iS is no doubt a quick car, I dont think theres any way you'd put it in the same league as a Z4M as a sports car realistically, and I'd be putting my money into the M personally. Feel like the E89 is more of a GT than a sports car.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

35is would beet the M in a drag race, although the M feels quicker. You’re right, if you had to daily it though, the E89 35is is the best option in my opinion

@Jenga105

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsjoel No doubt it would, but I'd still always put a M series BMW over any of their normal cars. Especially the Z4M, it's a very basic and raw car compared to the same age M3 or M5

@LiveLifeLasting

5 жыл бұрын

M J True, I have one and it is a GT, actually the capability of long distance cruiser, quiet enough on German Autobahn at speeds above 200kmh and sporty enough for cornering. Just not made for a race track I realised when tak8ng it to the green hell. At the end it’s all about what you’re looking for in a car :)

The Z4 E85 with 231hp soft top is more of a sports car while the 335i no matter how powerful it is, is a cruiser sport car. Few observations, get both if you can afford it, one as a daily(you know which one, and the second as the crazy weekend sunnyday ride) I don't know if it's just me but, I actually prefer the E85 looka way better especially the rear, side, the front is also cool but that's where the E89 smashed it. I will be damned I will spend 15k on a damn car like this. It's just not justified even though I have the money. Bang for the buck and the value? E85, want to attend meetings and look cook? E89.

I miss my E85 Z4 2.5i every day. A true drivers car. Very inexpensive to maintain. I just sold my SDrive35iS. It was a ROCKET on the freeway. More of a GT car, not a sports car.

Abit sad was thinking of buying a 2.0 litre z4 becuase they seem to be cheaper but don’t want it breaking down

@itsjoel

4 жыл бұрын

Invictus boxing 3.0 litres can be found for the same sort of money and they’re much more reliable. Will work out cheaper in the long run

@invictusboxing5783

4 жыл бұрын

It's Joel that’s the problem I’m thinking about buying it for my first car as I’m 21 and the insurance will be cheaper plus I prefer the seats they have in the 2.0 are the 2.0 really unreliable if you get one with 35000 miles on it or are they reliable but just not as reliable as the 3.0?

@doggeorge1196

4 жыл бұрын

The main problem ive seem to notice on2004- 2006 BMW Z4. The machine has a tendency to overheat a lot. So change the radiator. The hoses, Thermostat, Waterpump. Its not that costly get parts from Auto Zone. Afterwards no problems.also get your steering done.

Might trade my TTs in four the 35is 🤔

@RiderMark

5 жыл бұрын

The tt is like a nice golf

@DR_socal

4 жыл бұрын

You won't be disappointed, looking over the front end of this vehicle while driving is a win all in itself. Feels so aggressive.

E89 feels too much like a GT car, rather than a sports car. It's almost a different class from the previous Z cars.

89 looks really nice, love the exterior looks like a real sports car!! But i still prefer a TT all day 🤣

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks for watching mate

@quattrorsq8558

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsjoel cheers!!

you know they're children by the white socks 😂

E85 feels like a sports car , e89 feels like a 3 series

I'm scared of Ben 😮

Nooo the ass end of the pre facelift is the bstttt

My mom just bought the newer one!!

@capybarenjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

@Green Millsyep

E89 is way too heavy...

e85 👍🏼

E85 all day. On E89 too many lines in the design of the car.

That said, I hate the new generation styling. The old one looks much better imo

Guys never buy E89 with N20 engine,its piece of crap. Check in internet whats wrong with that engine and why so many for sales in low price compare to production year. That's sad 😢

Short answer No

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

I disagree 🤷🏻‍♂️🤓

@SlasherXGAMES

5 жыл бұрын

haha, great TLDR

Hopefully you are not considering buying Ben’s E89. Content will be boring. If you want to get a new car for great content go for the Z4 M COUPE

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, I’m not, but what would be wrong with that? It might not be as exciting as an E86 M, but it is a fantastic car that I could think of lots of content with!

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Advert cancer....

@itsjoel

4 жыл бұрын

Um?

You talk to much about you channels and "do like my channel". Focus on the cars instead.

@itsjoel

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, what do you mean?