Nope. The very worst handgun adopted was the Colt/Smith & Wesson M13 revolver issued to air crews. The lightweight frame and cylinder were so weak that they had to develop special, underpowered .38 ammunition to help prevent catastrophic failure. Forgotten Weapons has a good video on this.

@JohnSmith-fd5un

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it was an emergency sort of revolver issued to pilots so maybe we can give that exception?

@justiron2999

2 жыл бұрын

Do we redesign or strengthen the firearm? Nah just weapon the bullet, lol that's one way to do things wrong.

@JohnSmith-fd5un

2 жыл бұрын

@@justiron2999 Well, at least they were ambitious, a bit misled but still.

@rangercal1

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to add the same comment so thank you for getting to it first brother.

@user-pq4by2rq9y

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-fd5un I wouldn't. Not much reason to make it unreliable.

M13 Aircrewman revolver. An aluminum alloy weapon that was so dangerous to the user that they were all destroyed only a few years after purchase.

@long-jeep

3 жыл бұрын

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@jalan8171

3 жыл бұрын

The examples of the M13 Aircrewman, either from Colt or S&W, are now collectors items.

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

A case of knowing what you want, but getting the details rather wrong.

@briansmithwins

3 жыл бұрын

They were only dangerous if you shot them

@FiveTwoSevenTHR

3 жыл бұрын

I said the same thing. I'm surprised that someone else brought up the M13.

When I was in the Navy ('77-'86), when issued the .45 for watch or security, we were only allowed to keep 5 rounds in the mag and NO mag in the pistol. The 2 issued mags (with 5 rounds each) were in a mag holster....snapped closed...same as the sidearm...holster snapped closed. We often joked that if needed we could just throw the .45 faster than all of the wasted time to get the .45 into action.....only one thing wrong with the throwing idea....the .45 was tied to you with a lanyard.

@stephenrandolph6322

Жыл бұрын

Remember the 2 MPs playing John Wayne on duty at check point ? See who can draw faster for cigarettes? Then one MPs won when he blew away his battle buddy.

@kevinong1306

Ай бұрын

That lanyard allows a serviceman to rapidly throw his 1911 at the enemy multiple times. 😉

@natwolf687

Ай бұрын

​@@stephenrandolph6322 Wait, what?

@forrestlindsey3947

29 күн бұрын

In 1978, I was tasked with designing a "qualification course" for sailors to safely carry and shoot the .45 by CINCLANTFLT because a sailor on watch had fired his pistol and narrowly missed hitting anyone. Every type of course I came up with failed, because sailors didn't take it very seriously or were afraid of the pistol and they shot the ground, the sky - anything but the target. In frustration, I tried the same course of instruction with the navy wives living on Dam Neck base and they were extremely successful and easily qualified "Expert". Admiral Kidd finally gave up and removed pistols for the quarterdeck watches.

@AEMace069

21 күн бұрын

This is what happens when you get a Democrat Congress making decisions about how the military does its job.

You nailed the reason the HK wasn't perfect when you said "The US Army didn't actually know what they were asking for." Had the SOCOM requirements actually had a solid idea of what they wanted, HK would have delivered a firearm that would have fit the requirements with German precision. Too many things kept changing through the development to come up with a fully conceived design.

@stephenrandolph6322

Жыл бұрын

That's called the Pentagon .

@j.murphy4884

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenrandolph6322 It wasn't the Pentagon in this case, it was feuding between Army SF and Navy SEALS who couldn't agree on anything about the design and saw any compromise as the other branch "winning". Hence why it has a manual safety AND a separate decocker, and why that decocker is such a pain to use.

@mothmagic1

10 ай бұрын

I think it's more likely the US army weren't asked what they needed. They simply got what the bean counters thought was a good idea even though they were given a shopping list of features to look for. Military procurement will never improve..

@wfdix1

Ай бұрын

Requirements creep has been the bane of most gov’t projects.

@dw7094

29 күн бұрын

SOCOM (although a misnomer) has their own acquisition & procurement mechanism. The M9 went through the standard material fielding process. Going to the 9mm was part of the "let's be like NATO countries" idea. I retired just as they were fielding the M9. Just comparing the M1911 and the M9 side by side, one is a weapon, the other is just a pistol.

As the late great Col. Jeff Cooper once told us in a class at Gunsite: "The sole purpose of a combat handgun is to fight your way to a rifle or shotgun."

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's Col. Cooper. And he was serious when he said it. Totally.

@bdr32965

3 жыл бұрын

And let's not forget Jeff Cooper gave us the Beast known as 10mm, one hell of a great caliber.

@WALTERBROADDUS

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to swim with a rifle.

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

@@bdr32965 Well, better than 45 ACP (!) (braces for shitstorm).... :)

@bdr32965

3 жыл бұрын

@@markh.6687 Oh ya 10mm hits a hell of a lot harder than .45 AARP.

The gun met the requirements of the military. Sounds like the problem is with the military and the people in charge than the gun.

@thetotalwarsmaster

3 жыл бұрын

Military-Industrial Complex

@widehotep9257

3 жыл бұрын

Same thing can be said of other bad gun designs adopted by the US. For example, the 1919 Browning machine gun was too heavy, suffered from random "cook-off" firing, used weather-sensitive cloth belts, and had no quick change barrel. Compare it to the superior MG34 and MG42 used by Germany and you'll appreciate the backwardness of US military weapons procurement. It wasn't John Browning's fault for designing a dog that met crappy requirements.

@Pidalin

3 жыл бұрын

@@widehotep9257 You really think machinegun which needs barrel replacement after 200 shots is superior? :-) Germans lost war for some reason.

@jayp_thenumberofthebeast

3 жыл бұрын

The gun was created for the specials forces, it met the requirements of the military ( weight, accuracy, reliable, suppressor ready , the gun went to 30000 rounds of +p with no malfunctions) So it’s the worst gun because hk over delivered ???? I quite don’t understand why it’s the worst gun. ( the grease gun or tommy gun are the worst guns in the military now hand guns the military is not gonna adopt something bad ) as a matter of fact at the beginning the beretta was the worst gun, unreliable, low quality parts , complicated when racking the slide for novices !!!! After a couple of years the fixed the problems so that makes it the worst gun and the worst gun according to this guy is the gun that the military wanted and hk didn’t need to fix nothing??? That doesn’t make any sense !!

@JohnDoe-nf7up

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pidalin not like they were sandwiched between the most powerful militaries on the planet and had captured almost the entirety of Europe with a politician who had no place leading a military at the helm who repeatedly sabotaged their efforts accidentally because he didn't understand what they actually needed on the battlefield and didn't listen to the people who did.

Fun fact: the Brazilian military didn’t retire their 1911’s: the contracted a manufacturer to produce a kit comprising a slide, magazine, and barrel combination to retrofit their pistols to use 9mm.

@leonardobarros7009

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, the manufacturer is the Imbel.

@andrewmorke

3 жыл бұрын

The first handgun I ever fired on the range was a Colt Commander 9mm with a 9-round mag. It was a great arm, but I still preferred the Hi-Power that I later purchased.

@cs-rj8ru

3 жыл бұрын

What was the point?

@sogk12

2 жыл бұрын

Who cares?

@rafaelramirez7089

2 жыл бұрын

@@cs-rj8ru the point is that no point needs to be made

Remember Murphy's law of combat, "Never forget that you're weapon was made by the lowest bidder."

@toastpuppy3491

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you’re Swiss

@keithstone8693

2 жыл бұрын

your*

@toastpuppy3491

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithstone8693 how to tell someone failed their middle school English class

@infantilepillock1687

2 жыл бұрын

Except the Mark 23. It is the toughest pistol out there made from the best materials with legendary Kraut Space Magic.

@capnhands

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithstone8693 grammar Nazi

1980’s: SIG undercut by Beretta. 30 years later..... SIG undercuts Glock.

@tempestfowl1985

3 жыл бұрын

"Fool me once..."

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@lethalweeaboo2239

3 жыл бұрын

The same model too LOL

@jaydubs6354

3 жыл бұрын

Lol sig was like that scene in war dogs 😂 they under bid the competition by over $100 million

@jimmieburleigh9549

3 жыл бұрын

Then they slid in the contract they are the sole provider of parts extra barrels and mags at a higher rate than glock so in the long run the military budgets and tax payers get screwed. Now that per unit undercut looks like peanuts to the fortune in mags & parts.

I was honestly expecting the Colt "Aircrew" revolver, with it's aluminum cylinder and pud-loaded .38 round.

@jacobmccandles1767

3 жыл бұрын

Right!? ...and all to save 1 pound in an 183,000 pound bomber, with 312,175 lbs of fuel, and 70,000lbs of bombs...an all up weight of 488,000 pounds(!), but a real K-frame, or God forbid a 1911...oh no, that's too much!

@Stigstigster

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobmccandles1767 I cannot wrap my head around that! It's like someone designed and made that thing because they could and definitely not because they should. As you say, what would an airman prefer? Almost anything in a decent caliber other than that!

@MatthewDoye

3 жыл бұрын

Or the .22 they issued to U2 pilots.

@patrickc1508

3 жыл бұрын

One of many worse guns than the mk23.

@edstettin6799

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! We used this .38 for my first range qualification in the Army. Was not accurate and only 6 rounds of .38! No thanks! I was a young, stupid W01 right out of flight school and partnered up with a experienced CW4 Vietnam vet that day at the range. He hated it and here is why. This is what he told me. He was shot down in Vietnam flying his UH-1 Huey and everyone ended up unconscious after the crash except him. There was a Vietnamese soldier approaching and my buddy emptied his .38 into the approaching soldier who kept coming at him. He was out of bullets now. The door gunner came too around this time and hit the soldier with multiple rounds from his door mounted M60 and ended it right there. 7.62x51 for the win! I said "What would you like to have for your handgun?" "Something with as many bullets as I can get", was his reply. He also told me he used to carry a Thompson submachine gun on board with him after that incident. I learned ALOT from guys like my friend. Vietnam vets get all my respect. This .38 revolver does not....at least for a soldier in combat.

"This was the worst handgun adopted by the US Military." Solid Snake would like to have a word with you.

@installshieldwizard3017

3 жыл бұрын

who?

@tlshortyshorty5810

3 жыл бұрын

You’re pretty good

@chrisallegre2897

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know, he tried pawning it off to Meryl for the Desert Eagle 😂

@mouthbreather280

3 жыл бұрын

B M but we’re talking about the 20th century so the p320 is not eligible. Also I wouldn’t say so, there was a fix to that problem so it’s not a bad gun as it stands.

@FenixArmory

3 жыл бұрын

Am... He used MR 23 Socom.

He is missing lots of the colt semi-auto pistols issued between 1900 and 1911, that used .32 or .38 caliber.

@steemerxaxon1643

2 жыл бұрын

He is like the MSM He only tells what he wants

@edwardwood6532

2 жыл бұрын

@@steemerxaxon1643 I am coming at it from a viewer of Forgotten Weapons or c&arsonal. Filter my possibly unreasonable expectations through that.

@nt-hd5fo

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardwood6532 you're correct tho they deserve an "honerable" mention.

@redtra236

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think many of those were formally adopted by the US Military. Most of those were very good guns although lacking in stopping power. The M1909 revolver was sort of a step in the wrong direction too but at least had a lot of power.

@edwardwood6532

2 жыл бұрын

@@redtra236 Without rereading the entire thing, I believe they were used by officers. Widespread or official adoption, whatever that specifically means, may not be the case for those early pistols.

Saw you holding the 1911 and my heart stopped. Don’t scare me like that ever again lol.

@RedPilled_Knight

3 жыл бұрын

Same.😂😂😂

@horsefucker1866

3 жыл бұрын

Hi everybody Happy New Year!

@gavinlangston603

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like a lot of us felt this way. Lol

@zhdx54

3 жыл бұрын

Haha same

@MrVinicios01

3 жыл бұрын

M9 >>> 1911

The Mark 23 is my favorite handgun. Period. I have a Maritime finish model, with a KAC suppressor and an Insight LAM1450. It's among my most shot firearms. Tear mine apart and you'll see carbon caked on everywhere. It's surprisingly easy to shoot, even as a guy with smaller hands. That being said, I usually describe it as a really good execution of a terrible idea. HK did everything the US Government asked of them, and then some. Thing is, no one ever stopped to ask if what the government was asking for was a good idea.

@mysteryman4915

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, thats a really good point.

@FiveTwoSevenTHR

3 жыл бұрын

The Mark 23 is my favorite handgun as well. I use mine as my EDC but I'm also 6'3.

@texasbeast239

3 жыл бұрын

“...Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” --Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park

@thalesofmiletus6162

3 жыл бұрын

Genuinely curious. What makes it your favorite handgun?

@toobigtofit3584

3 жыл бұрын

@@thalesofmiletus6162 If you're expecting an objective explanation of why it's my favorite, you're probably not going to get it from me. I just like the gun, because it shoots well for me. I guess I can try to explain it, both by talking about the gun itself, and about the guns it's often compared to (most of which I own). I actually like the controls on the Mark 23. I do own a lot of HKs, so I prefer the paddle magazine release, and I like the Mark 23's implementation the most, of all of HK's paddle magazine releases. The USP release is too small, the new VP9/P30 release could use more texture, the HK45C release is similar to the Mark 23 (good), and the P7M8 release is pretty good too. I like HK's slide releases, and the Mark 23 is no exception - nice, big, easy to hit. The decocker is a bit slippery and low profile, but to me, decocking is an administrative procedure, not a tactical one, so I'd rather a decocker be out of the way than easy to hit. The safety I could do without (I'm not the kind of guy that runs the gun cocked and locked), but it mostly stays out of the way. The trigger is pretty decent too. Not a 1911, but pretty decent. The SA break is reasonably crisp, in the 5-5.5lb region. The reset is actually fantastically short, tactile, and audible, I'd go as far as to say the best reset of all the HKs I've shot. The DA is smooth, but somewhat heavy (maybe the 12lb range). I tend to like checkering on my handgun grips, and the Mark 23 definitely has that. The sight radius is pretty long. What about compared to some of the guns the Mark 23 is usually compared to? I have a USP Tactical, which is said to have been procured off the shelf and used instead of the Mk23 (albeit, in .45 instead of the 9mm that I have). The USP Tactical has a better SA break, but is worse in almost all of the other trigger aspects (more lackadaisical reset, grittier DA pull). I prefer the USP's trigger convertibility (I converted mine to V3 to remove the safety), but the lever is pretty big and kinda gets in the way of getting a higher grip. The sight radius is shorter, being a smaller gun, and at least on the 9mm, the sights don't clear suppressors as well. The HK45CT (Mk24) replaced the Mk23. I don't have one, but I do have a USP45 Compact, which the HK45CT is an evolution of (went something like USP45C > USP45CT > HK45CT). Most of the comments of the USP Tactical apply, but you also lose even more sight radius, magazine capacity (8-10 vs 12) and overall shootability. The USP45C feels a lot snappier than the Mk23 and I just don't shoot it anywhere near as well. The FNX45 Tactical is another comparison. It beats the Mk23 easily, on paper. Higher capacity, optics compatibility, better ambidexterity, actual Picatinny rail. I've got one, and I do like it. But it's the small details that I don't like. Mags don't drop free as well as most other guns. The safety lever works like a V1 USP, which I don't prefer. It's liable to decocking if you sweep it off of safe with force, and honestly, it's a bit mushy going to each position. The grip texture is a bit too aggressive. The gun overally feels more loose than a Mk23. The trigger SA break is lighter, but mushier, and the reset is not as good. The DA pull I'd say is comparable. Slide release is laughably small, comparable to a Glock. The Mark 23 just shoots really well, especially suppressed. I've shot it out to 100 yards with ease, and I'd love to stretch it out even further when I have the chance. The KAC suppressor, despite weighing nearly a pound, doesn't really throw off the balance of the gun (now, gun + suppressor + LAM does get heavy). It's not the most quiet suppressor, but it's still shockingly competitive for something from the 90s (I have the Rugged Obsidian 45, and it is quieter, but also longer, than the KAC). The gun does have a lot of muzzle flip (being long and having a high bore axis), but it gets back on target pretty fast and is a soft, smooth shooting gun. I am not saying it's the most practical gun. If I had to choose one handgun to cover my every day needs, the Mark 23 would not be it (just too big to conceal for me). But if you asked me to pick one gun for the range, or one gun to trust my life to (without the need to conceal), the Mark 23 would be it. That was a lot of text to say "I like the gun just because." But yeah. I like the gun just because.

Worst handgun is not having a handgun.

U.S. would've loved the Hi-Power.

@ElCineHefe

3 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@Miller09095

3 жыл бұрын

As an owner of one, I'd have to agree. Once you remove the magazine safety.

@dutchplanderlinde4845

3 жыл бұрын

Should’ve adopted the Hi-Point C9 :).

@HRCSJSUAMMAS

3 жыл бұрын

@@Miller09095 Mag safeties are the devil. The devil!

@bobsradio6025

3 жыл бұрын

The US military sort of did that. They replaced an effective .45 caliber handgun with a little .36 caliber (9mm) popgun.

Possibly the best gun to fill a role that didn't exist.

@pantagruel1066

3 жыл бұрын

You're exactly correct. The m9 filled the role. The 1911 is a good Jesus moses Browning gun. But in combat, you want more rounds in a magazine.

@jonathangriffiths2499

3 жыл бұрын

Rule 1 ask the end user if they need it . This weapon is the result of a defence spending increase leading to vanity projects getting the nod.

@max420thc

3 жыл бұрын

Bull shit, the 9 1911 is one of the best combat handguns to exist to this day.

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3 жыл бұрын

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@pantagruel1066

3 жыл бұрын

*Too. I think you meant. And "hollow points" aren't widely available in Geneva Convention abiding militaries. Although not unheard of. Key point. It's just my personal opinion. Based on experience and research.

It’s basically the Thompson SMG of handguns because of the hefty weight and the high price.

@snowlothar45

3 жыл бұрын

Except soldiers actually liked The Annihilator

@mandodelorian4668

3 жыл бұрын

@@snowlothar45 Indeed, clearly I didn't serve in WW2 but the "Tommy gun" was an incredibly awesome weapon for its time.

@CKshouta

3 жыл бұрын

we rag on the thompson for its excessive cost and weight. But looking back, All double stack mag SMGs built to standards worth shit were expensive and heavy(Suomi, Beretta 1938, PPD40, etc), until the PPsH41, M2(intrim SMG that was only technically adopted) and PPS43.

@CKshouta

3 жыл бұрын

@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez ehh the Thompson was definitely obsolescent in WW2, it doesn't bring anything new to the table and it is heavy and expensive. But it worked and worked well. Now, if you were talking about the .30 carbine thompson...

@Stigstigster

3 жыл бұрын

@@CKshouta I think that it's fair to say that soldiers will generally put up with heavy, some lack of ergonomics, something out of date provided it is reliable and does the job to whoever is on the receiving end. The Thompson is almost certainly all of those things. When a weapon works and you have every confidence that it will work when you need it to, a soldier will like that weapon.

The 1911 is by far and away one of the most beautiful handgun designs ever. It may have started of as a .45 ACP, but you can get it in various calibers which proves how damn great the design really is. I've got a Rock Island 1911 chambered in my favorite caliber which is 10mm.

@RickyBChevy

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got one in the Patriot brown version. Love it.

Carried the M-9 for 21 years and 19 days, never had a single problem. Still my favorite. Just bought an M9A4 and I retired 19 years ago. Never saw anyone have problems putting the safety on racking the slide. Love it!!!

@drewschumann1

Ай бұрын

I once saw an M9 shoot it's carrier, while being carried in the issue shoulder holster. A piece of camo net snagged the safety, disengaging it and partially pulling the pistol out of the holster. Another piece of the same camo net engaged the trigger, causing the pistol to fire into the carrier's side, causing serious injuries

@Chilly_Billy

Ай бұрын

​@@drewschumann1 One reason why I retrofitted the G-series decocker-only to my 92FS.

@DC14352

Ай бұрын

@@drewschumann1 could have happened with a grip safety as unlucky as he was

@drewschumann1

Ай бұрын

@@DC14352 Slide mounted safeties are hard to reach and are an accident waiting to happen

@henburg1709

29 күн бұрын

you mean to say that MAC is a daydreaming mammal!

I love this gun. Ever since MGS came out when I was a kid I had to have it. My Mk23 is still my favorite handgun that I own.

@RedPilled_Knight

3 жыл бұрын

Same, it looked really cool and badass. However? After joining the military, the MK23 lost it’s luster for me.

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck ya dude

@ayarzeev8237

3 жыл бұрын

I wanted one but then went with a FNX45 Tactical

@shaynewalker3248

3 жыл бұрын

Pfft peasants. *crack* *sip* "Naked Snakes 1911 from MGS3, now that's a real military handgun"

@Justin_GFM

3 жыл бұрын

@@shaynewalker3248 Can't forget the SA Operator 1911 that Old Snake had in MGS4, the weapon choice was probably a reference to Big Boss

The MK 23 is a great pistol that is extremely reliable but it’s also designed to use as a bat if you get involved in a punch up!

@shermanbrooks23

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

I have a beretta m9a3 so when he brought out the m9 my heart stopped for a second. But thankfully it was not the worst. I love my beretta very accurate and reliable. Plus the slides breaking up from the pistol was not Beretta's fault the government was using a new type of gun powder that went against what beretta said. Beretta actually sued the government and won after the new ammo was used in different pistols and they all broke!

@NamelessPassenger

2 жыл бұрын

M9 was the best modern handgun back in the day, but that doesn’t means it can beat other newer generation pistol. M9a3 can be the exceptional in accuracy test but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not modular enough. Like m17, you can make it compact, you can make it longer barrels, you can replace it right on the field if things broke...you can add extra attachments. Don’t get me wrong, m9a3 is the best full size pistol but in next generation standard, it fall short in multiple check marks.

@thepunisher8676

2 жыл бұрын

@@NamelessPassenger that's fair

@willa.568

2 жыл бұрын

@@NamelessPassenger I love beretta and I’m not a fan of sig. Your point here though is honestly very agreeable.

@NamelessPassenger

2 жыл бұрын

@@willa.568 you shouldn’t be fan of Sig...man, i only show an example of check marks army were asking for. That m17 is straight up losing to most today pistols...dunno did they fix the strikers that will fire in impact (drop). Still now, I scratched my head every time people mention m17 join in army. Wonder how many soldiers may got killed before even enter the battle if that sh1t going on. And as standard user, i suggest you should stick to high quality than go undercut like army did. And i gonna tell you, that full metal pistol will last through your whole life, unlike “polymer”...after all, plastic is plastic, it will break if you treat it brutally. That is why myself also not a fan of glock. But i have to agree one thing, that m17 modular trigger vs barrels are the only good things in that whole gun, hope beretta learn something from it. We all know, army standard is only “slightly better than trash”. So i doubt every choice they made. And for some reason beretta outstanding and proof they are special even in that trash. My friend told me “that is a diamond in a trash bin”. M9 in army also been cut more corners than you ever imagined, the material, the quality control, etc...look at the m9 my friend use during services vs the m92x performance he own now, it’s like night and day. And yet, m9 still reliable.

@Clean97gti

2 жыл бұрын

@@NamelessPassenger About the only thing the new SIG can do is go from full size to compact in the field. The Beretta comes apart simply with no tools just like most Browning style guns. Later M9s have rails for attaching stuff. Attaching optics is a bit of a problem on the M9 series but that wasn't part of the requirements for the XM17 trials and no M17 or M18 handguns come as standard issue with a red dot. Back in 2012/2013, nobody was making a slide mounted red dot. and to be fair, the US Army didn't even evaluate the M9A3 which did meet requirements, instead electing to proceed with their choice to hold trials. Truth be told, it kind of looks like the Army had its heart set on the Sig and that would be the choice regardless. Considering the high quality of the competitors, and this is just my guess, it looks like Sig had this one in the bag on both price and predetermination. So much that Ruger didn't even bother entering, CZ entered one and didn't bother with another for the next round and Glock wound up filing a protest.

I shot expert with the beretta in bootcamp. Thats all I just wanted to brag

@MajBaggs

3 жыл бұрын

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@ladyelect9274

3 жыл бұрын

i like the honesty, im proud of you too!

@rc59191

2 жыл бұрын

M9 is an awesome pistol only reason people hate it is because they get one that had a million rounds through it and was abused by a dozen other Soldiers or whoever. People don't realize how bad our military is at weapon maintenance

@danjf1

2 жыл бұрын

back in 92' we didn't qualify with a handgun in boot, at least in the Army. Would have been nice

@isaiahmarquez9717

2 жыл бұрын

The one time I actually did a pistol qual was with the M9 way back when.

US government asks HK to make a gun. HK makes gun the way the US asked for. "Why wou HK make this?"

@nickcorsello8445

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like a cheeseburger with no cheese, please. xD

@Thorn19774

3 жыл бұрын

Same with the german government/Bundeswehr.

@dakolbycrittenden-brown229

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickcorsello8445 you asked for a hamburger

@texasbeast239

3 жыл бұрын

Like the FBI picking the trendy powerful 10mm caliber and then watering it down to the weakest 10mm load in existence, and then turning around and running it through a heavy duty S&W gun purpose-built for hot loads.

@DerMeister821

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickcorsello8445 my first job was in that field of hospitality, and those people DO exist.

Let's not kid ourselves...offensive handgun just means fun toy for all us gun lovers.

I was a gunnersmate in the navy working in the armory and range. My own observation, marines and sailors typically did not qualify their first time with the 1911. When the change over to the beretta 92f occured just the opposite happened and most were qualifying their first time. But give me a 1911 or 92f i love them both.

@staceyhartman6825

15 күн бұрын

92 WAY 2 BIG 4 my fingers. Could only DA it left 'weak' handed. Couldn't hit shit, went to P35, Then 1911 till injury, then G36. Still miss that gem of a 1911.😢

We were still using the M1911 in W. Germany until the 90's. Got an Expert Marksman badge with it in Graf. back in 90.

@chembio101

3 жыл бұрын

Good old Grafenwoehr! 535 Engineer Co CSE Early 90s here!

"For it to fire it must have a round chambered" Wow, who would've thought

@The_SmorgMan

3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to buy a firearm that doesn’t need ammunition to shoot...

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

@@The_SmorgMan a Energy using gun?

@superdrewster98

3 жыл бұрын

*laughs in open bolt*

@andrewshepherd5249

3 жыл бұрын

He's explaining to people who are new to guns

@lukewarmwater6412

3 жыл бұрын

you mean..... wow. my pistol is realy outdated, and its a h&k usp!! it cant fire unless there is a round in the chamber.... is that a problem??

I still want a 10mm Mk. 23. Chambering such a big pistol in that round would actually make sense. Also, just because.

@BryantMoore87

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Or even a MK 24 in 10mm

@billycole852

3 жыл бұрын

Mk23 45 socom is my dream pistol because of Rainbow Six

@MegaManlet

3 жыл бұрын

I just want a 10mm :(

@jacobs1230

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly HK doesnt design guns for the civilian market. I highly doubt any contract will ask for a 10mm pistol ever.

@DrygdorDradgvork

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobs1230 true. Because we suck and H&K hates us.

In desert storm they gave me a beretta M9 and I was a little sad. I told the armorer that I’d much rather have a 1911. The next time and every time after that I came to check out a weapon I got a 1911. They were still in inventory but phasing out. I qualified with both weapons the 1911 in the early seventies at enlisted BCT and the Beretta M9 in 1986 at officer basic. I enjoyed the Beretta but loved my 1911 much more.

@ccengineer5902

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you so sentimental for an antiquated weapon? How is a gun that is prone to jamming and holds less than half the ammo of a double stack any good?

@jacobmccandles1767

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccengineer5902 I can field that: when you have to use nonexpanding ammo, the .45 gives the impression of greater stopping power. Wether it does...that's debatable. Any decently serviced 1911 is not "prone to jamming". Remember that when it was phased out there were guns in inventory from clear back to WWI! The M9 is a good weapon, but the open too slide that lets dirt fall out, also lets it in...right on top of the exposed locking lugs. Most people can't fire the M9's DA 1st shot for beans, and the grip circumference is port to say the least. For anyone with less than gangley philangies, the 1911 is easier to shoot well.

@booya6437

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccengineer5902 I wouldn’t call a handgun that served the US military for over 100 years antiquated...

@captbart3185

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccengineer5902 after shooting 1911s for half a century, I have never had one jam using reliable Ammo. When it was for score my 1911 went bang when my M16 went click. We’re are all these jams of which you speak?

@ccengineer5902

3 жыл бұрын

@@captbart3185 the 1911 fails in any field test. In a dirty environment, the 1911 reliably and predictably fails, because of how the frame rail is designed. That's why no modern pistol shares that part of the 1911 design. M16 is also an old design that should be updated. No modern firearm uses a gas impingement design. It's remarkable how long Americans cling to their weapons despite the flaws they carry and despite there being much better alternatives available. Simply remarkable.

The 1911 was and still is the best service pistol ever issued to any army. I carried it for 50 years in the army as a police officer and as my CCW. My issue with the M92 was the open barrel that got dirt in it. When my police department was going to autos I blocked the M92/M9 Beretta in favor of the Sig P-220 45ACP since I was Sgt and the range officer. That was 1988 and my old PD is still using the Sig P-220s today..

"For it to fire, you must have a round chambered" 🤔 ..... Hold up, what a min. Lol

@Stevarooni

3 жыл бұрын

To contrast with all of the open-bolt handguns out there. 😉

@michaelreed1380

3 жыл бұрын

Or any of the guns that will fire without a round chambered. Is that a ghost gun?

@mandodelorian4668

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelreed1380 "A magazine with 100 clips in it!"

@StatesDivided

3 жыл бұрын

You obviously haven't experienced ghost bullets

@PrecisionDan

3 жыл бұрын

It's an old design. Newer handguns don't even need any ammo in the magazine.

I adored my M9. I think that, in the service, in the early 2000's there was a "cool" factor to 1911's. Because all the secret squirrel types were using 1911's and Medal of Honor prominently featured them.

@Ten_Mil_Will

3 жыл бұрын

I have had three 92's so far. I had a 92SB (Italian), a 92F (U.S.) and now I have a 92A3 (Italian). If you like the M9, check out the M9A3. They freaking nailed it! Thry brought an iconic platform into the current era. I run suppressed pistols and I have NEVER seen a barrel where you did not even have to remove the THREAD PROTECTOR to field strip. Everything about that gun is just dead on.

@stuartgorka989

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ten_Mil_Will Agreed on the M9A3. I've had a 92F since the early 90's, but got bored with it since the grip was a hair big, the trigger was a hair heavy and it didn't quite shoot point of aim, so it mostly sits. I got interested in the M9A3 after catching a few reviews, including MAC's, so picked on up and think it's amazing. It fixed everything that was just a little off for me on the 92F.

@Ten_Mil_Will

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartgorka989 Are you using the Hogue wrap arounds or the flat handle scales (for the "Vertec" profile)? I have the wrap around on mine but with it more closely replicated the original 92 feel. To me it seems like it is just a little fatter. I have been told to try the plastic wrap around grips but they're 80 bux. BTW what color you get? I got the Black and Grey and love it.

@stuartgorka989

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ten_Mil_Will I'm using the flat handles...I originally didn't like the look of the vertec since I'm more of a purist, but it grew on me. I love the feel of it in my hands with that (I have medium sized hands). I got the FDE one. I think it's funny that the box says "SCAR FDE", I guess since it's also 73 shades of tan like a scar.

@Ten_Mil_Will

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartgorka989 That is kinda funny, "SCAR FDE". I couldn't warm up to the flat panels. The pistol just felt a little nose heavy, to me, without the "hump" (and that was WITHOUT the suppressor). If you're not into them yet, check out a CZ P01. If you like Berettas, you will probably love CZ's (their metal framed hammer fired models).

Note: the M9s that were 'exploding' and splitting and hit the Navy Seal in the face....yea, the military was using way overloaded rounds causing pressure way too powerful for what the pistol was designed to deal with. Further proof that the M9 on its own was perfectly normal, it was poor ammo, mags, and training that pissed people off about an amazing pistol.

@sibbolo9204

3 жыл бұрын

makes me laugh the idea that the beretta it's not reliable. Used and abused worldwide since "ever" we can say, i never ever hear complain about. Yup, it's heavy, that's true.

@xusmico187

3 жыл бұрын

no one broke with ww silvertip only use < 5000 rounds

@michaelwoods9005

2 жыл бұрын

European subgun ammo.

I shot and carried an M9 for Almost 20 yrs in the Marine Corps. I was in for about 2 1/2 years before I was able to qualify with one. The ones I used were old worn out and beat up from MCAS Armory's all over the world. The only malfunction I ever had with any of them was....I had one that would randomly fire a 2 round bust. It worked great for the 7 yd reaction drill during qualifying. Id like to have one the newer versions of the M9 or Beretta Model 92.

When I was an MP in the Army during the Vietnam era, I carried a Model 1911 every day on duty. The powers that be limited us to carrying magazines holding only 5 rounds, probably in the mistaken belief that it would weaken the magazine follower spring. Perhaps that was true for some suppliers of magazines. I think the weakened spring theory has been pretty much been debunked. But did the brass issue us additional magazines to compensate? No they did not. Ironically, they also limited us to 5 rounds of buckshot for the 12 ga. pump shotguns we carried for payroll runs and special guard duty situations. Military Intelligence?? I think not!

@bluetrue6062

3 жыл бұрын

I can tell you why the five round thing. It was five rounds out of a 50 round box. Easy math! That's it! That stupid! They did the same thing issuing ammo for the M3 grease guns. Five rounds for a submachine gun. Dumb.

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

I'm Flagg; military counter-intelligence! Nobody said the government had to make any sense. Except when we tell them to.

@nickv1008

3 жыл бұрын

"They" have always worried soldiers would use too many bullets.

@wardaddy6595

3 жыл бұрын

And usually these decisions are made by Pogues sitting safe back at HQ!

@edstettin6799

3 жыл бұрын

We had problems with the mags on the M9 as well. I could not get that thing to feed no matter how clean it was and it was traced to the mags. They were crap. I love the M9 but hated the mags they used when they were first introduced. Mac nailed it in the video.

"The gun is just too big." I'm sure there is some 2 meter tall(6' 7") veteran somewhere watching this and laughing.

@PuppetMaster1791

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not that quite that tall but the Mark23 fits my hands rather well as I tend to dwarf most pistols

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe not 6'7" but Tim is a big guy and he's a veteran.

@xanimosityxgaming2664

3 жыл бұрын

6'4" here, pistol is a good fit in my gorilla hands

@jacobjohnson2603

3 жыл бұрын

Not a vet but 6'8. Glock 19's are too small lmao

@timewave02012

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 5'3" and have tiny hands. No pistols fit me well. I don't have a Mk23, but other double stack 45s like the FNX and Glock don't fit me worse than anything else, so the size of a double stack 45 ends up not mattering for me either.

"offensive pistol" means it shoots insults at the target. Or the shooter...

@stig1280

3 жыл бұрын

Offensive because it is not a Glock.

@sim.frischh9781

3 жыл бұрын

@@stig1280 I´m Austrian, so every gun not a Glock or a Steyr is offensive to me ;)

@jeff40

3 жыл бұрын

@@sim.frischh9781 I love both of those Austrian brand's, although I wish Steyr would put a better front sight on their pistols?

@johnniewoodard648

3 жыл бұрын

"offensive pistol" means it triggers them. (them = anyone other than the operator of the weapon)

@ArcaneWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

@@sim.frischh9781 No love for Walther? I can't quit my PPQ!

This might sound dumb, but I really want a double stack Tokarev with a picatinny on the bottom and a threaded barrel. 7.62x25 is such a cool round.

@uralbob1

2 жыл бұрын

You are not dumb! You are weird like the rest of us! We all dream about this kind of stuff! Good luck my friend!

@Hoplite9

2 жыл бұрын

Cool idea. It’s a little zippy for a suppressor so it might not get as quiet as you want. Still pretty cool.

@mitchwerbell4679

2 жыл бұрын

I want a Tokarev that shoots 10mm Auto.

@vincentfoldes6781

2 жыл бұрын

Norinco makes P226 copy in 7,62x25 mm. Not a Tokarev, but still double stack with picatinny.

@hoppinggnomethe4154

2 жыл бұрын

Double-stack Tokarev does exist Search "súng K14"

“Every American should own one of these (1911)!” Understood. Will comply. I’ll just forward this video to my spouse from the gun store parking lot.

@samlaine3315

3 жыл бұрын

Haha me too man

@slamshift6927

3 жыл бұрын

Meh, gimme a Glock over a boomer blaster any day. 17 shots of 9mm in a lighter package with better build quality, yes please.

@Retr0Whiskey

3 жыл бұрын

@@slamshift6927 Tim never said every American should *carry* a 1911, just own one.

@slamshift6927

3 жыл бұрын

@@Retr0Whiskey The fuck is the point of owning it if you don't put it to practical use

@chaseparsons28

3 жыл бұрын

@@slamshift6927 you ever heard of a collectors item?

The M1911 is the handgun that refuses to completely retire.

@RageUnchained

3 жыл бұрын

I own 2 lol

@anthonysantiago1999

3 жыл бұрын

Long Live the 1911!

@maverickfox4102

3 жыл бұрын

@@RageUnchained same here.

@garyolivier792

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto !! Still my favorite HG!!

@kennethharriger6152

3 жыл бұрын

1 hit from a 45 and you are down compared to 2 or 3 hits from a 9MM.

The Mark 23 is the greatest handgun the U.S. Military FORGOT they had.

@BLUECHET

2 жыл бұрын

I almost bought one .

@mbogucki1

2 жыл бұрын

Cause NATO don't do 45 cal.

@Funhaus_Ryan

2 жыл бұрын

They chose to forget.

Good vid . Had no clue where you were going with this one not until you showed it . Well done !

I’m diggin the Boba Fett stocking cap.

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

This is the way

@Militaryarmschannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@tdnavy1066 Weapons are part of my religion.

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

@@Militaryarmschannel now this is the way

@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder

3 жыл бұрын

@@tdnavy1066 this is the way

@enrique5607

3 жыл бұрын

@@tdnavy1066 this is the way

🔥 The H&K Mark 23 was built for Hell on Earth ‼️

That Barretta shoots just fine. LAPD used them for years.

Colt .38 revolver during philippino war

@louisianaball

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t expose Jeffrey Epstein’s death or else you will be melted

@danielgrant9213

3 жыл бұрын

Most models of Colt revolver chambered in .38 Long Colt were produced and issued in the 1890's.

@blakedavis2447

3 жыл бұрын

To my knowledge they weren’t shooting specials like we would today

@matthewcaughey8898

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielgrant9213 and it was so bad that the army dug out the old 1873 peacemakers to ensure the guys they shot stayed down

"You're not a SEAL until you've tasted Italian steel" is a quote attributed to SEALs testing the new M9s and having the slides break and hit them in the mouth.

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

The story is quite different. SEALs adopted the 92SB before the Army adopted the M9, and had two cases of slide breakages. One was trying loads he prepared for his SMG, the other had fired over 30.000 rounds with that gun. Beretta obviously replied that they should have used standards NATO spec ammos and replace parts according to the schedule (in the early '80, 30.000 was an incredibly hig count of rounds for any handgun. IE The XM9 program only requested a service life of 5000 rounds) but, at that point, the 92 fell out of the SEALs favour and they adopted the SIG P226. Ironically in the '80s the P226 was known for frame breakages (they had one even during the XM9 trials) and lately the SEALs experimented several, with operators suffering hand injuries.

@f3uibeghardt522

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 Yeah, I've heard all that, too. But I'm curious about the very last thing you said. Are you saying they were re-evaluating the MK 25 _recently_ and experienced breakages?

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

@@f3uibeghardt522 They had breakages in the '80s, when SIG used welded frames.

@f3uibeghardt522

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 Oh, okay. I knew about that, but it sounded like you were talking about a far more recent evaluation.

@f3uibeghardt522

3 жыл бұрын

@@jlinms8721 People talk often about the weaknesses of the original P226 with its stamped slide and pinned-in breech block.

Small Arms Solutions had mentioned that the military wasn't buying OEM parts which lead to problems with the M9...

@arieheath7773

3 жыл бұрын

That and Winchester screwed up a bunch of their cases, causing pressure to skyrocket. They were basically shooting a steady diet of proofing loads through them. Cracked frames on Sigs as well.

@Thorn19774

3 жыл бұрын

Yup that combined with the basically proof load 9mm they were feeding them caused things to muck up pretty badly.

@SCH292

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Small Arms Solutions and Gun Jesus talked about those. Lol..So..in a nut shell.... Small Arms in a nut shell: The government cheap out on parts and didn't care to maintenance the guns. Gun Jesus in a nut shell: The government switched the powder on the last minute without telling Beretta as the testing phase continued. Anyway..does all of these sounds familiar?..Hmmm..M16? Does that ring a bell?

@arieheath7773

3 жыл бұрын

@@SCH292 Yep, at least this time it was a sidearm and not the main infantry rifle the government mucked with.

@mr.lovell3645

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thorn19774 I knew there was something else, I forgot about the ammo!! :0)

I've always loved that ability to safely drop the hammer on a live round on the Beretta

I would suggest the aluminum framed aluminum cylinder Colt / S&W M13, 38 spl. revolver, air crew special was a bigger flop imo.

Mac starting controversy again in the comments 😂

When I was 19 I watched Tears of the Sun I wanted one of those so bad, then I found out the price and I was making $7 an hour.

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

Good movie

@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777

3 жыл бұрын

@@tdnavy1066 except when the one character said something like " I'm staying. These are my people too". Dumb line.

@tdnavy1066

3 жыл бұрын

@@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 lol can't have it all

@cheezuscrust7730

3 жыл бұрын

Those were in fact in real life canadian special forces not american SF so they would have been using sig sauer pistols

I retired from the Army in 1993 23 years, I carried a 1911 until I retired and is my daily carry to this day.

@dougbrook6223

3 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity do you carry it cocked and locked or without one in the chamber? Or cocked and no lock. Lol. I'm sure it's not the last one... I have never liked a 1911 because of the single action, well and failure to feed with hollow points. Don't get me wrong, beautiful cool guns. Just with so many higher capacity, smaller,more reliable pistols being invented in the last 110 years why do you still carry a 1911? I know a lot of people that carry them.

@oneshadowone

3 жыл бұрын

@@dougbrook6223 locked and cocked is the only way to carry a 1911 practice pulling the safety thumbed off and the trigger pulled in one motion . I've crawled in mud pulled and fired with no malfunctions and when a 45 hits you don't need 20 more rounds ! I trust it with my life and it has come through for me many times . no 9 mm plastic weapon for me....

@varanid9

3 жыл бұрын

You carried a 1911 up until 1993?? Wow, I carried one until I got out in 1982, didn't know they used them that long after. I remember they were going to start phasing in the Berettas shortly after I got out.

@mrg09211976

3 жыл бұрын

Since the 1911 left service in 1983, you obviously didn't carry it until 1993 unless you were SOCOM and even then it was rare.

@oneshadowone

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrg09211976 I Retired from the Army in 92

Beretta got the contract because they wanted military bases in Italy, particularly Aviano air base

Whenever I hear built to military grade I think cheapest and lowest priced.

@TheRealZJE313

3 жыл бұрын

Yes cause we know Uncle Sam is not trying to waste our taxpayer dollars ha ha ha

@ProKILLER91J

3 жыл бұрын

Yea definitely, beretta m4 (over 2k) , beretta mrad (over 7k), all beretta 50cal versions (some over 10k) . All cheap military grade staff...

@LRRPFco52

3 жыл бұрын

The opposite is true when you look at round count without stoppage, sand/dust, and arctic testing requirements, and US materials requirements. US Mil-Std/NATO requirements are a very high bar to reach for that most commercial market firearms manufacturers could never reach and keep their current business models/pricing schemes.

@berettaxd7566

3 жыл бұрын

Government waste is much worse than you think.

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

Werner von Braun, architect of the Apollo Program: "Six million parts, all built by the lowest bidder".

When you are going to talk about the worst handgun adopted by the US military, and start off by whipping out a 1911....ya about knocked my blood pressure off the chart.

@beepbooboobopbooboobeep

3 жыл бұрын

Boomer moment

@michaelscotch3835

3 жыл бұрын

@@beepbooboobopbooboobeep it really was good for its time though, not a boomer thing to appreciate it for what it is

@bluecaptainIT

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelscotch3835 M9 fanboy over here. I still love the M1911 and I start drooling whenever I see a M45A1 MEUSOC Pistol!

@thatguy22441

3 жыл бұрын

In terms of capacity, weight, and complexity of operation, I'm afraid the 1911 is the worst anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent platform and it was one of the best of its time, but it's obsolete compared to what's available today. Of all the handguns he reviewed in this video, the 1911 is the last one I'd choose to carry into battle.

@spartan0722

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The M9 is super easy to maintain, it’s accurate, and the only malfunctions I experienced were locking block cracks in guns that had thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds fired through them. I like it. I carried one in my three trips to Iraq and my one trip to Afghanistan. No issues with it.

Thank you for the video.

This is like buying a Lamborghini and keeping it parked because the insurance is to high

The Mk.23 is essentially a large USP in .45 ACP.

@DWN22

3 жыл бұрын

Acquired a USP45 instead for that specific reason among others. Collateral being one of em 😆

@willy4018

3 жыл бұрын

And the USP is a great pistol also

@dksdg

3 жыл бұрын

Which I personally love the USP, those things were so badass in the 90’s. Still are but they were one of the only pistols coming with threaded barrels.

@sttvoyager1727

3 жыл бұрын

@@willy4018 one of the best pistols ever made...especially for suppressing...I’ve shot hundreds of different pistols and while the USP and its variants are larger, they are among the most accurate factory produced and among the most RELIABLE PISTOLS EVER MADE...JMHO 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@agentoranj5858

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it literally the other way round?

Mk23. Finally a gun that looks regular size in MACs hands.

@trevor5379

3 жыл бұрын

I'm about the same size as him and i've had people joke about that with my desert eagle lol

@Ufos4dahoes

3 жыл бұрын

How is your comment a week old already?

@trevor5379

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ufos4dahoes i think members get early access

Like the format, enjoy the suspense!

The US should have adopted the Browning Hi Power. John Browning himself called it a replacement to the M1911.

@reallyhappenings5597

3 жыл бұрын

9mm vs 45acp

@Tula1940_LB

3 жыл бұрын

@@reallyhappenings5597 Correct 9mm is flat out better

@Galahad_Du_Lac

3 жыл бұрын

No he actually didn’t, also .45acp is objectively ballistically superior.

@brownleelogan1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Galahad_Du_Lac Ballistically superior? I mean, they both penetrate about the same distance, have leave similar wounds, and 9mm has higher pressures and muzzle velocity. I'd say they're more comparable, as opposed to one being objectively superior. Unless you have some big proof to backup your big claim?

@ahoneyman

3 жыл бұрын

7 rounds of 45ACP vs 13 rounds of 9mm. John Browning did have a valid point.

Sounds like a defense spending problem not an H&K problem. Thoughts?

@TheTyrantOfMars

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly: this gun was robustly tested to destruction, it does exactly what the military wanted it’s just what they wanted was stupid...

This ought to get a rise by a lot of folks but imho the biggest error the military made with a handgun was not adopting the CZ75. I say this for many of the reasons you mention plus the price point would have been more reasonable than the berretta. However the US was not about to accept a weapon that in the 1980's whose country of origin was still part of the Soviet bloc. This did not stop a lot of other nations including many in Nato of taking advantage of what many including, me consider to be the best designed 9mm service weapon ever made. The CZ75 is to the 9mm what the Colt was the 45 acp.

@rafaelramirez7089

2 жыл бұрын

It's not too late yet

@sunracer1869

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍 CZ75 eats up any ammo Easy to break down.

@bobyjones3905

Ай бұрын

I have one not impressed no better than any other pistols I own

Thank you for the info.

Spec Ops guys can throw their entire Mk23 stock to me if they don't want it anymore 🤣

Saw Lethal Weapon...bought a Beretta. I was then transferred to Ft. McClellan as a firearms instructor. When the M9 was brought online I was told to write a lesson plan for it. I trained people with it for 3.5 years. Carried it in the MidEast and Africa. As said here, if you maintain it, and its magazines, it will perform.

@cyclingtj

3 жыл бұрын

@@tupops If you take apart the magazine spring, but sure to put it back in the same way. The top of the spring angles up. If you put it in the other way, it can cause jams. Other maintenance is the same as any other weapon.

@russellr.1896

3 жыл бұрын

In dry conditions but Panama wrecked havoc on them. ABN atw ABN everyday, 118 MP CO ABN 86-91

@cyclingtj

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellr.1896 Somalia was ok, but Haiti was the same as Panama. 21st, in 93 and 118th 94-96. ATW!

At 4:46 you mentioned the locking block. When I was an armorer aboard NAS Meridian, Mississippi, I saw several of the locking blocks fail and lock the slide in place. This was probably due to the previous armorer not logging ANY rounds and therefore using the weapons beyond their service limits. Still, after about the 7th one breaking like that, I vowed never to carry an M9 for duty or self-defense purposes.

The Beretta butt-hurt many people. The myths and misuse were the only "problems" in the beginning. The safety "problem" is by newbs and no training/use troops.

@Plumbump

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I loved mine in the Army (tanker) and I loved my 96 later, its accurate, reliable, and sexy to boot

@lucaschudleigh7193

2 жыл бұрын

I know a few SF that would annihilate this idiotic comment.

@winstonsmiths2449

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucaschudleigh7193 Yeah, they are the experts in metallurgy and firearms design. Anecdotal stories are as valid as your arguments here! Sorry fool, the pistol WORKED and still does. No disrespect to SF guys, but appeal to authority is not a valid argument.

The mk23 was not intended or designed for a standard sidearm, it was asked for specific reasons and roles by tier 1 spec ops. In that role it is amazing.

@bombomos

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz it's a hand sniper

@NET-POSITIVE

3 жыл бұрын

@@bombomos awesomeness in a nice offensive package!

“Boss I’m tryna sneak around but some old guy keeps talking shit about my hk mark 23 socom that I paid $2000 for and my frustration is alerting the guards”

@jasondevereaux3369

3 жыл бұрын

2000.00??? Back in the 90s that pistol was just over 1000.00

@sinisterwombat3128

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasondevereaux3369 not with the lam

@jasondevereaux3369

3 жыл бұрын

@@sinisterwombat3128 ya...there was no "lame" back then. Is that a 700.00 part???

@jasondevereaux3369

3 жыл бұрын

@@sinisterwombat3128 mark 23 socom...fat oversized usp 45 with a threaded barrel, this size of a desert eagle. Cool as shit for sure but...dudes video says it all

@FiveTwoSevenTHR

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasondevereaux3369 the Insight LAM was adopted with the gun in the very beginning.

Man that browning 1911 being shot just gave me goose bumps and excited my blood. Love it.

Sig, I didn't Win Anything, It was chosen strictly on price

@Strikeagle911

3 жыл бұрын

.....that would be the 21st century. This is about the 20th century.

I'm English and even I want to own a 1911

@agentoranj5858

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine getting our pale hands on some of the .455 Webley models...

@yeeyee395

3 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for y'all over there in Europe

@philmcglen6194

3 жыл бұрын

What sucks is if you know the right people you can get an illegal weapon for a couple of hundred pounds but we aren't allowed to own centerfire autoloaders or handguns.

@yeeyee395

3 жыл бұрын

@@philmcglen6194 well that really fucks the "saftey" the government has given you

"Every American should own a 1911 45acp", i agree with that 100%.

@saskafrass1985

3 жыл бұрын

And us Canadians get a rubber banana. Oh wait that's the prime ministress wish list.

@richierich3053

3 жыл бұрын

Or in 10mm.

@orinjackson975

3 жыл бұрын

*every American should own a GOOD 1911, not a RIA, Taurus, or Kimber!

@PepperDarlington

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

@zdub8438

3 жыл бұрын

@@orinjackson975 I've got about two thousand rounds through my rock island standard 2011 with no jams. Outshoots my father's kimber eclipse wether it's set up for 9mm or .22 TCM. My 2" taurus snub nose 856 shoots one hole groups at 7 yards and 11 inch groups at 25 yards and I'm no Paul Harrell. A $1400 smith performance center model 10 will not give you those groups at over 4x the price. If I got a performance center I wouldn't be able to stash three of them around the property and have $300 left for ammo like I did with my 856's. You don't know what you are talking about or you have more money than sense. Money is a poor replacement for skill, practice, and familiarity with the tool. Just like a roofer couldn't hand me his roofing hammer and expect me to be able to put a roof on I couldn't hand him my nitro piston air gun and expect him to hit without teaching him the artillery hold. Give me any fixed barrel $100 bryco or jennings Saturday night special and I'll outshoot 90 percent of $1k gucci glock owners at the 25 yards line.

Outstanding video and presentation

Consider the longest serving rifle in US army history the army got back doored into by the US Air Force and Marine Corp.

Honorable mention: revolvers with aluminium cylinders aka Aircrewman

@briansmithwins

3 жыл бұрын

Contract specified a lightweight revolver for aircrew. Didn’t say anything about shooting them...

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

@@briansmithwins Uhh....I think you missed the point of providing the gun, but I'm being picky. :)

@briansmithwins

3 жыл бұрын

@@markh.6687 “making aircrews feel better” is a valid reason for equipping them with sidearms. That most of them won’t survive a situation where they need a sidearm is a different matter.

@markh.6687

3 жыл бұрын

@@briansmithwins I THINK the Gov't. meant them for more than just moral support.....notice I hedged and said "THINK". Given the mess they created of the whole thing though....

So this is essentially the handgun version of the ACU? At least the Mk 23 works....

@rogermcbadlad2812

3 жыл бұрын

By ACU you mean UCP right?

@burnyburnoutze2nd

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogermcbadlad2812 yes, I mean that. Whoever thought making a camo that blends in with nothing but grandmas couch is an idiot.

@rogermcbadlad2812

3 жыл бұрын

@@burnyburnoutze2nd lol, I agree. I heard it works okay on a rock quarry though. It looks sweet when people dye it darker shades of green or brown though.

@thetallone7605

3 жыл бұрын

Oof.

@bronco5334

3 жыл бұрын

@@burnyburnoutze2nd The not-entirely-wrong concept was that future warfare would likely occur primarily in urbanized areas, which UCP does actually work reasonably well in, and that a camo that was optimized for urban and "ok" in every other terrain was the best choice.

M9 had slide separation after just 500 rounds,I saw it happen on the range. Three fixes and years later it became a good side arm despite it's rather poor 9mm stopping power and it's restrictions on using full power civilian 9mm ammo. Great video!

Well I like it. It's a masterpiece (with goofy controls).

Gun santa is my new favourite. Seems like a friendly guy I could have a beer with and talk about gun history.

I understand all the points. I just think "worst" is the wrong choice of words.

@garrettdark5668

3 жыл бұрын

Mac messed up by saying "Worst Handgun Adopted...", it should have been "Worst Adopted Handgun..." The former says the handgun is the worse, the latter says the adoption is the worse. So Mac is sort of craping on the gun despite him saying he isn't.

@EJ-dz7zb

3 жыл бұрын

Least adopted for it's role?

@robertmontoya4833

3 жыл бұрын

Least best...feel better now!?

We used the 1911, 90-94 in Security Forces with a brief use of the Beretta which no one liked so we went back to 1911s.

@winstonsmiths2449

3 жыл бұрын

If you do not like the Beretta, you are a fool. 1911 ARE the worst, fact!

@a-a-ronbrowser1486

3 жыл бұрын

I did MSG, I always thought we should have used the sigs like DOS

@triggercrank

2 жыл бұрын

@@winstonsmiths2449 no, you are incorrect ,but thanks for coming out.

Thank you! I AGREE COMPLETELY!

As a Beretta fanboy, I fully admit I came into this expecting to be mega-mad.

@connorharney7770

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@GW-qe8qe

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I thought I might have to sit through him hating on my Beretta. That might have been a game ender for me lol.

@jamesdean257

3 жыл бұрын

Same

"Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit him with it." - Rade Šerbedžija aka Boris The Blade

@popinmo

3 жыл бұрын

Heavy is stupid

@joekurtz8303

3 жыл бұрын

Someone had to refer Boris. Da!

@snek9353

3 жыл бұрын

In a gunfight the man with the heaviest gun has the advantage. Heavy = less recoil, more capacity, more powerful cartridge, and more accurate.

@popinmo

3 жыл бұрын

@@snek9353 I think your really stupid

@snek9353

3 жыл бұрын

@@popinmo "I think your really stupid" - YOU'RE funny.

5 deployments as a 11B I had no problems with the M9 in Iraq and Afghanistan, It always went bang when I pulled the trigger.

Okay, so when I read the headline I was thinking, "Here We Go". However, I found the video to be accurate and filled with good information. Having spent many years working with both the M1911A1 and the M9, once the bugs were worked out, these pistols would sing. I went Distinguished with the M1911, but I won two Sec Nav Trophy rifles with the M9 in competition. I carried the M9 in Kuwait and the only significant problem I had with it were the magazines. The follower springs would get a "set". The Marines carried fifteen in the mag and one in the chamber. I found if I emptied the magazines every evening and refilled them, this would exercise the spring and prevent a set.

@f87115

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t ever believe people that write a novel… good story though

I thought you were gonna say the Sig P320 because it fires on its own

John M. Browning is arguably THE Greatest Firearm Genius the World has ever seen. Even Ma'Deuce is still getting work done!

Very cool breakdown of the sidearms. I have a lot of friends who write code and that sort of thing shows up in their world all the time. The program does exactly what the client asked for, problem is the client didn't ask for what they actually wanted.

I trust the m9 more than any gun on this list. Never had a single malfunction with my 92fs.

@scooterbob4432

2 жыл бұрын

Got no problems with my Beretta 92F. Good weight, accurate, never jammed on me. More enjoyable to shoot than my Glock 19.

@spencergraham6278

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

My snake became anything but solid when the MK 23 was considered a joke weapon

@troybranch9720

3 жыл бұрын

Huh ? !

@visualwarp9707

3 жыл бұрын

@@troybranch9720 its a reference to a the video game Metal Gear Solid, where the main character Solid Snake used a mk 23 primarily and in its intended role.

@wilkinsnl

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahhaa

@tylerandersenandthegang

3 жыл бұрын

!Who's footprints are these?

@Maelstrom8

3 жыл бұрын

Well done, sir!

I believe Chris Bartocci from Small Arms Solutions did a video on this gun. The reason it's so big is because it was meant to be an offensive weapon and not a sidearm.

The Mk 23 is my favorite kind of failure: the kind that they clearly learn from. In just two or three years HK went from the world's only crew-served handgun to one that worked just as well at half the weight and in several different calibers.

@Xerxes1688

Жыл бұрын

Basically the USP Tactical is what, for all practical purposes, US SOCOM actually needed. You get most of what the Mark 23 offers, but while also being smaller, cheaper, simpler and you can have in .45ACP, .40SW and 9mm. Even so, I still want a Mark 23 even if it is diminish returns by some people. I don't think so, it's a gun that is stupidly reliable and can outlast you and probably your sons, altough the USP, since it was designed around the .40SW cartridge, it's ought be a pretty tough gun aswell.

@DSToNe19and83

Жыл бұрын

Failure? It’s still one of the only handguns you can lock the slide and still fire it... aka a great suppressed platform

I carry a Beretta 92A1 at all times. Absolutely love this gun.

@joelspringman7748

2 жыл бұрын

You also probably have Beretta magazines.

@enzowarren9832

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelspringman7748 Yes, why?