We’re tired of Reinsdorf’s actions

@briceticker6721

Ай бұрын

Or inaction. I trust any random fan off the street to run this organization more competently than reinsdork

@hotwax9376

Ай бұрын

As a non-White Sox fan, so am I.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

The old goat has to go

Jerry Reinsdorf is the biggest problem

@BrandanTheBroker

Ай бұрын

I would like this comment, but I respect the thumbs up number 👍🏾

I find it hilarious "No room to grow" is utter crap...they can definitely invest in the surrounding neighborhood and remove some of those parking lots and build a much better entertainment experience. Sell the team, Jerry.

@Santiago-in1xf

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I hate these stadiums that have a 4x parking lot footprint than the stadium itself.

@khabbad

Ай бұрын

Guys who wants to spend time on that area?

@amazingeric97

Ай бұрын

How about put a better team on the field. The Cubs are proving you do not need to do a lot to be competitive in the NL Central. The White Sox could do a similar plan as the Cubs have done to be competitive in the AL Central. Develope the Minor League system, sign some free agents, hire a good manager.

@khabbad

Ай бұрын

@@amazingeric97 The cubs spent most decades doing garbage, their moment was 2016 like the Sox was 2005

@Mr.Ed_Wayner

Ай бұрын

If the White Sox think “The 78”is such a great spot and will bring in a ton of revenue with a stadium and development then pay for themselves. Team is paid for. Get a 30 year loan and finance it. If stadium financing costs too much then go “Oakland A’s” with payroll until you generate additional revenue to spend more. Certainly don’t spend crazy money on pitchers who will end up blowing their arms out.

Would be heartbreaking to see the White Sox leave Chicago. They are a historic team, one of the oldest in the league. They belong in Chicago. I know the A's are a historic team too, but they'd moved multiple times. This feels very different.

@aaronstark5060

Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. It always sucks when a team moves, but unless I’m mistaken, and I’m 99.9% sure I’m not, a team moving after 125+ years would be unprecedented. This is very scary because if the White Sox can move, then nobody is safe.

@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227

Ай бұрын

@@aaronstark5060literally, that honestly means really only the yankees, dodgers, and giants are literally the only teams that can be considered a lock in their city, everybody else is 5 bad seasons and one very crappy owner away from losing their franchise

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

It came damn close to happening on June 30, 1988, a matter of minutes

@MisterCaution

Ай бұрын

A team founded on copying the Cubs old name, then made famous by the scandal. Sox fan to Cubs fan ratio is like 1 to 1000.

@nosportsteamfollower516

Ай бұрын

If the WS move otta Chicago, the A's could move right in... LOL.... I'm sure that ballpark is better than what the A's have right now and will take it, anyday! Call them the Chicago C's. And we're changing partners, (Sport Franchises) again. Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

Reinsdorf is trying to play the same game he did in 80's that ended up getting their current stadium. The state of Illinois will not be as forthcoming this time around, especially with the Bears lobbying for state funds for their planned new stadium (at least the Bears planning on putting in 2 billion of their own $$$,) Reinsdorf is looking for another handout...and he isn't gonna get it...

@PrairieMidwester

Ай бұрын

The state is $300 Billion in debt, which it was not in 1990.

@drewmorrison

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I doubt with the Bears thing going on, there's even a sneezing chance of the White sox getting any state funds. It's already likely Pritzker won't approve the Bears funds and I doubt both would get approved.

Ownership should sell the team. Sox fans should be more aware of the As situation as a possibility for us. Sox fans are passionate. Stadium problems is the last thing us Sox fans ever thought of.

@C4m4r0

Ай бұрын

Jerry said he has no reason to sell the team and unfortunately, he's not wrong. He is the most powerful man in baseball. He pulled all the strings to get his 2 best friends to be the last 2 commissioners.

@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227

Ай бұрын

us sox fans are very aware of the A’s situation unfortunately, i just don’t even see how a team with 125+ years in a city couldn even be considered for relocation, even with chicago decreasing in size with another more popular team, it’s still 9 million people in the metro, all of them don’t want to be cubs fans

Most of their "attendance" is corporate season ticket sales. They had an opportunity to build camden yards in 1991. Look up "Armour Square stadium". They chose the bare bones stadium they did. I've been a fan of the White Sox for years but they are a weird insular franchise that doesn't seem interested in fielding a winner. Most Sox (and Bulls) fans are just tired and waiting for Jerry to die and hoping that could lead to a rebirth like the Blackhawks had.

@cgk1276

Ай бұрын

The alternate stadium plans are so painful to look at now, seeing what we could’ve had.

@user-jf4nj3ez2k

Ай бұрын

Cubs fan here. What gets me about the White Sox situation is that Reinsdorf is on his mid 80s but.je refuses to let his son Michael run the White Sox and the Bulls. Neither team will win anything until Jerry Reinsdorf has passed away.

@Tasby12

Ай бұрын

Amour Stadium was NEVER a plan or an alternative. I’m sick of self-loathing, self-pitying, wallowing in their misery Sox fans who push that myth.

@TrustySteeringWheelTray

Ай бұрын

Umm ... the White Sox sold out every playoff game they've been in in 2005, 2008, 2021. 2000s attendance shows Sox fans show up when the product is worth it, It's absolutely not just corporate tickets.

@jaytravtulsa1

Ай бұрын

Yes. Armour Park. The best stadium that never was. Sox could still develop the neighborhood.

Reinsdorf is worth 2.4 billion, dude can pay for his own damn stadium

@PrairieMidwester

Ай бұрын

He’s 87 years old. What the hell does he care? Sell the team.

@hotwax9376

8 күн бұрын

Except that it would likely cost him most of his net worth. Not saying he should be holding the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois hostage like he did back in the 80s, but that counterpoint needs to be made in the interest of fairness.

Jerry Reisndorf is a terrible owner! He's up there with Bob Nutting, Fisher, etc etc

@hotwax9376

8 күн бұрын

People might bring up the fact that the White Sox broke their curse and won the 2005 World Series under Reinsdorf's leadership, but most of us (myself included) would argue this happened in spite of him and not because of him.

Having gone through what we both went through with the A’s I don’t want anyone to go through what we did plus I can imagine people telling White Sox fans to go and support the Cubs just like us A’s fans were told to go and support the Giants which is so insulting!!!

@ericdodson3630

Ай бұрын

but unlike the Giants the Cubs are the superior team, Oakland wouldn't be upgrading anything, where the Sux fans would be upgrading

@obesebison2178

Ай бұрын

@@ericdodson3630spotted the cubs fan. As you say, the sux do suck so why would you want them gone? Easy team to beat up on, plus we both know you don’t want Sox fans rooting for the cubs… oh no that wouldn’t be right. So really everyone in the city loses when the Sox go. Don’t deny the electricity when both teams are actually good.

@WolfRaging95

Ай бұрын

@@obesebison2178bingo!

@CelabWilliams-gb6rm

Ай бұрын

@@ericdodson3630no way a cubs fan is acting superior to anyone, you win one championship in over 100 years and act high and mighty towards other fans 💀💀💀

@mrsantoyo97

Ай бұрын

@@ericdodson3630 Trust me if the Sox leave. I would become a cardinals fan. LOL

Idgaf I'm gonna call it Comiskey, that's what I grew up on and that's what I'm calling it. Is it a top 10 park? No. Is it useless? NO! It could do with major renovations and maybe in another decade we can talk about a new stadium, but it's still a beautiful park. Only gripe is they should have oriented the park better, but it's not horrific.

@KazeShikamaru

Ай бұрын

I always found it to be a good stadium.

@steveb.2326

Ай бұрын

I really enjoyed the game I saw there. It was nice. I actually had a better time at a White Sox game than I did a Cubs game. To me, the Stadium is fine and this is just a way for the owner to try to get richer.

@zcorpalpha2462

Ай бұрын

Our family enjoy it ❤

@ericdodson3630

Ай бұрын

It should be called 2nd rate field

@briceticker6721

Ай бұрын

A winning team can make shit stadium feel like a palace. The product on the field is the problem

These publicly funded stadiums shouldn't be a problem...as long as they let taxpayers in for free.

@someguy7222

Ай бұрын

Yep

@iplayfhorn

Ай бұрын

If only…

@ronald4700

Ай бұрын

Here here sam

@rodneygarner9055

Ай бұрын

Or sell part of the team as stock

Like the Athletics, it has to do with ownership of why the attendance is down.

@sunny1992s

Ай бұрын

Seriously, the Cubs play within the same city(just on the northside of Chicago) and dont struggle to sell tickets. Even when you factor in the last few seasons the Cubs werent stellar, fans still went to Wrigley. Granted the Ricketts have invested a lot of money into renovating Wrigley and some fairly big signings recently, but so can Reisendorf

@briceticker6721

Ай бұрын

Wrigley is historic and beautiful. Its a tourist destination for any baseball fans not just cubs fans. Its in a nice neighborhood sorrounded by bars. The sox play in the ghetto on the south side, and its best not to wander to far away from the ballpark for safety reasons.

@rileyturner1880

Ай бұрын

Sox haven't had any issues with attendance until this year and parts of last year, because fans are done with Jerry's BS@@sunny1992s

@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227

Ай бұрын

@@briceticker6721spoken like someone who doesn’t live there, that area has been gentrified to shit, it’s a shit stadium admittedly and in the middle of a parking lot, so unlike wrigley, when the team is hot garbage, there is no reason to show up

@CubeInspector

Ай бұрын

Same thing in Tampa / St Pete. Ownership alienated the fan base when they said they were going to explore doing half season here and half season in Montreal. It was the final cherry on top of the shit show they've been with trying to get us to pay for their stadium. Shit ownership causes shit attendance. The bolts have no problem filling the stands. Neither do the bucs.

I've been a White Sox fan since 1970. I suffered through a lot of bad years, but this is the worse. The team needs new ownership. Reinsdorf has owned the Sox since 1980. We need someone who cares about the fans. All he cares about is getting a new stadium There is nothing wrong with the current Sox ballpark.

@michaelleroy9281

25 күн бұрын

Me, since 1964 1970 still to this day remains the worst season in Sox history

Many Sox fans are ready to call Reinsdorfs bluff. He admitted he bluffed last time in an interview. If he wants to be the type of owner to cut bait and run instead of owning up to his failure and doing better while at the same time paying his share (most of it) of the cost of a new stadium then we don't want him here anyway. He owes this state and city big. Here's the thing that most people are missing. There's not a lot of places for Reinsdorf to take the Sox and certainly nowhere better than Chicago. The blow back that Reinsdorf will face with the Bulls if he moves the Sox will be huge and not repairable. He never fully repaired the damage he did for his part in the 94 strike.

@llee8825

Ай бұрын

Totally agree with you. No reasonable owner would move from the #2 market in the country to one of the smallest markets (Nashville's population is 715K) in the South. I have a news flash for Reinsdorf - I grew up in NC and southerners don't care about baseball. Southerners love college basketball/football and NASCAR racing. Atlanta is not the South except before General Sherman burned it down. The Braves are an exception because everyone in Atlanta is from northeastern states. I did not start watching baseball until I moved to Chicago in 2006 and then decided to be a Sox fan. In addition, tourists in Nashville are interested in country music attractions like the Grand Ole Opry, Ryman Auditorium, Music Row, Country Music Hall of Fame & Museum, and the famous honky tonks along Broadway Avenue. I cannot see tourists being interested in paying to see one of the worst MLB teams. Even the A's have a better record now than the White Sox.

@KendallLitwin

Ай бұрын

@@llee8825 Again, Nashville wants an expansion team, not the Sox.

@llee8825

Ай бұрын

@@KendallLitwin Yes, that is why we Sox fans need to call Jerry's bluff. I refuse to give another penny to him. Like you said, he owes the city and state $300M+ on the current stadium which is a great stadium. My Asian cousins (Dodgers fans) visited Chicago last summer and we went to the Sox vs Angels game. They liked the convenience of taking the Red Line train from the loop to Comiskey (sat in section 520 with great field view). They loved our food - elotes, Chicago style hot dogs, Italian beef sandwiches, funnel cakes, and Rainbow Cones. They enjoyed our stadium including the incredible view of downtown's skyline from the Chicago and Southside signs.

@michaelleroy9281

20 күн бұрын

​@@llee8825Forget Nashville, watch out for Salt Lake City, they just got an NHL team

@llee8825

20 күн бұрын

@@michaelleroy9281 Yes, it is possible. I ski yearly at Snowbird and Brighton, Utah. The massive amount of Californians (including other West Coasters) with their money moving into Salt Lake City has skyrocketed the real estate market and traffic. I'm amazed at how quickly the population has exploded in the past ten years. I am no longer planning to move to Salt Lake City in retirement - more expensive than staying in downtown Chicago. 😂

Sox are a legacy franchise. Moving to Nashville, yeah ... 8 other teams want to move to Nashville. They should start a Nashville Division.

The WS need new players, not a new ballpark.

@Ibhenriksen

Ай бұрын

No, they need a new ballpark. The surrounding area is unsafe.

@nosportsteamfollower516

Ай бұрын

@@Ibhenriksen Just because you feel unsafe doesn't mean the tax payers need to pony up $2 billion for a new ballpark. How about you move with the WS, which ever city the team goes too?

@Ibhenriksen

Ай бұрын

@@nosportsteamfollower516 Tax payers shouldn't have to put up the $2 billion but they need a new ballpark in a safer location.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

But Jerry doesn't want to get those new players

@MisterCaution

Ай бұрын

@@IbhenriksenThat’s dumb. The existing park is relatively new. If JR wants a new place to play, he should pay for it.

Born and raised Sox fan. I refuse to give any more money to Jerry Reinsdorf. No real fans are complaining about new Comiskey Park. I love it there. Tailgating experience rules and the inside of the stadium is fine too (especially the food) in my opinion as a suburbanite, it’s way easier to get to than Wrigley. It pains me to say but at this point let them move. My love for the Sox doesn’t supercede my hatred of getting overrun with new taxes. Especially when there is still so much money owed on the current stadium. It’s lunacy

@Tasby12

Ай бұрын

No “real” fans complain about the park????????!!!!!! Did you type that with a straight face?? All a lot of Sox fans do is bitch, moan and complain about the park.

Brodie, seeing how the A’s situation went down, Manfred has set a very dangerous precedent for the other teams to follow. The White Sox are a historic team. I’m very concerned about this. The owner needs to foot half of that asking cost if not all of it. I know the owners want public money, but if they want a new ballpark they can pay for it themselves!

Great points Brodie! I hope more influential people call out MLB and Manfred for this obvious ploy to move major league teams around like a chess piece… It’s not right for the generations of fans in these faithful cities. Shameful.

Looks like Jerry Reinsdorf is up to his old tricks again. The White Sox are one of the inaugural AL teams (as are the As and my primary team, the Tigers), and if there's any team that shouldn't move, it's them. As a Tigers fan, I don't want to see anything undermine our historic rivalry with them; as someone who's sympathetic to the Cubs (they're probably my second-favorite NL team after the Dodgers) I don't want to see that rivalry get broken up; as someone who cares about preserving the history and legacy of Major League Baseball as a whole I don't want to see a team leave a market it's been in for nearly 125 years. I sure hope the proposal for a new field in the loop works out, and if all else fails that Reinsdorf has to sell the team to new ownership that's committed to keeping it in Chicago.

@sunny1992s

Ай бұрын

It'll feel weird to see the White Sox move considering that they have been on the south side since its inception. Also if one of the proposed relocation cities is true(Nashville), the rivalry between the Sox and Tigers would feel less authentic.

@Soulmodulation

Ай бұрын

We'll see; he almost moved the team to Tampa in the late 80's, because they approved and started to build the Tropicana on their dime. The Illinois house of representatives barely passed a resolution for a new stadium at the last hour in '88, and Jerry decided to stay.

@hotwax9376

Ай бұрын

@@sunny1992s Agreed, which is why I hope they stay in Chicago, even if they move to the Loop.

@hotwax9376

Ай бұрын

@@Soulmodulation Yes, I'm familiar with that. It was technically three minutes past the deadline, but they literally stopped the clocks in the legislative chamber so they could legally say they met it. But even if Reinsdorf had announced intentions to move the team to Tampa at that point, I think there's a high chance it still would've failed. Keep in mind that 10 votes from the AL and 8 voted from the NL would've been needed to approve it, and at that time, many owners (particularly the more senior ones) still recalled firsthand how traumatic the loss of the Dodgers and Giants were for New Yorkers. I think it's safe to say that the Tigers, Brewers and As would've all voted against it, and probably more teams as well.

@rodneygarner9055

Ай бұрын

@@Soulmodulationno, the Illinois House failed to do their homework, and call Jerry’s bluff. He knew that place in St Pete was gonna be an absolute mausoleum (and it is) and counted in his boy, Gov Thompson, to come through for him on a stadium deal (he did).

Charlie Comiskey is rolling in his grave. I don't have a great understanding of what Reinsdorf's been doing - or not doing - to the club. What's the bottom line? I mean aside from his attempt to extort the city. The club won 91 games just a few years ago. They've certainly fell hard fast. The stadium may be a bit uninspired, but I don't get the sense it's past it's days. It would be terrible if the Sox left the South Side, let alone the city entirely.

@KendallLitwin

Ай бұрын

Lease is up after 2028.

@John-pm1hk

Ай бұрын

Eh, not really, Comiskey was a scumbag as well.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

​@@KendallLitwinIs it 2028 or 2029 I'm seeing both

@KendallLitwin

Ай бұрын

@@michaelleroy9281 Last year of it s 28

@michaelleroy9281

26 күн бұрын

24 out of 30 owners would have to approve a move out of the 2 nd largest city in the country

The white Sox have a good fan base relocating would be incredibly stupid. The issue is Reinsdorf and that they are awful. Once Reinsdorf is gone and if they get an invested owner they could be one of the more successful teams in baseball

@jeffgo5742

Ай бұрын

We might riot if the Sox left Chicago

@JackKnoxx

Ай бұрын

I mean, the Cubs are right there. Tho the White Sox unis look better imo.

@Harrja

Ай бұрын

@@JackKnoxx no Sox fan is going to start rooting for the Cubs if they leave

@JackKnoxx

Ай бұрын

@@Harrja Yeah not surprised. I doubt Oakland A's fans are gonna cheer for the Giants. Raiders fans never liked the 49ers. Tho to be honest, the White Sox should probably move because the Cubs are gonna take precedent over anything they would want anyway.

@jeffgo5742

Ай бұрын

@@JackKnoxx when the Sox were good and the Cubs were struggling. The City turned to a Sox town. Problem is the Sox are rarely good

I live in the Chicago area, I have been wondering this for a few yrs myself. Is the city big enough to support 2 mlb teams. There is a definite parallel between the White Sox and A's. As a Cubs fan I want the Sox staying, I love the Cubs-Sox rivalry. I hope they don't leave

@user-jf4nj3ez2k

Ай бұрын

Always has been Always will. GO CUBS!!! There's quite a few people out there that hate the Cubs. They're called Sox fans.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

They have been big enough to support 2 teams for 124 years and they still are because one team has fallen on hard times there is a bandwagon to get one of those teams on a train 🚂 heading out of town

@harrellkerkhoff8054

Ай бұрын

Chicago has supported two teams for over a century. What are you talking about?

If I were a Sox fan I'd be terrified too. Reinsdorf has no morals. Im a cubs fan, I know sox fans dont want our pity. But we still both play in chicago. I dont gain anything by half the city losing their team. Its not the stadium either, its still pretty nice, and the food is top tier. Way easier to get to than Wrigley too. Its all Reinsdorf.

The aging Jerry Reinsdorf (he's 88 years old) needs to sell the team to more stable ownership who will actually invest in the farm system. Second, if he doesn't want to use his own money, he might be better off asking Governor JB Pritzker for a direct, personal loan. (The governor is worth $3.5 billion.)

@lordrayden3045

Ай бұрын

Yes Pritzker is an actual billionaire So?

Is Reinsdorf going with the Fisher plan of action to bleed the team dry and then say "See nobody wants to see them so we have to move the team" Wherever a red carpet city is.

Based off the A's and now the White Sox could the Angels be next in line to possibly relocate?

@steveb.2326

Ай бұрын

I could totally see the Angels relocating to Sacramento and going back to being the California Angels. Not saying they should, but I could see it happen.

@Vossenator

Ай бұрын

Why would they move? Their attendance is doing fine like 13th atm. Angels don't need to relocate.

@sevendeadlysquids404

Ай бұрын

My money would be on the Diamondbacks moving before the Sox. However, I think that would be a move to another part of Arizona not too far from where they currently play. Plus, they have pretty solid attendance. I'd say a renovation is more likely.

@davidtalbot3640

Ай бұрын

@@Vossenator The ball park situation, it's one of the oldest and could use a replacement

@Not_Sal

Ай бұрын

If the angels move they wouldn’t be leaving the LA area. I’ve heard rumors about Long Beach and there are other options in and around LA if the Angels are to ever move.

This is my team. I could totally see it happening. The plans are really great though. The stadium plan

Stop the Scheme! Stop the Scheme!

Pls don't happen pls don't. i can't imagine a team that's been here for 123 years leaving 😢

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

124 years

Every Sox fan hates the owner and will not support this team till he's gone.

They do nothing for season ticket holders , they use to give a few parties, a few gifts -nothing anymore and I use to buy a 40 game plan. The ticket reps and other personnel are rude very rude

Chicago is Chicago. The White Sox have been playing in this city since the American League started. No team is going to leave a city of that size for some podunk "town." Don't let this bonehead or Reinsdorf scare you. Another thing, there is a big difference between the Bay Area and Chicago. Oakland has all kinds of issues, which is a big reason why the Raiders and Warriors left - and why the A's are leaving. It's a completely different situation than Chicago. If you think the MLB commissioner is fine with an American League team leaving Chicago - then you are some kind of stupid! One last point, if the White Sox were to leave, do you really think the Cubs would remain in Wrigley Field for very long? In an old and "smaller" stadium. The house of cards would begin to fall to no one's liking.

After the sweep in Philly, I'd pay Frank Thomas and Ray Durham and Jim Tomi to come back

How do billionaires have the audacity to ask governments to pay for an asset that will only really benefit them in the long run.

I still find it laughable they would ask for public funding before considering spending money on a good team

That's how Billionaires stay billionaires. By getting someone else to pay for everything. I'm sick of this.

Some tickets is 16k but I promise you there isn’t 16k people at the games. It’s more like 7-12k people attending games

@LarryInNM

Ай бұрын

Less actual people at the games than the reported attendance also means fewer sells in concessions and paraphernalia, and less business for nearby merchants.

Looks like a classic play from ownership: tank the team, fans stay away, ask for ridiculous $ for new stadium, threaten to move. So sad..

The Sox aren’t going anywhere. They spend the post and preseason acquiring some of the top prospects. The cost of mlb relocations is insane. It’s a long negotiation process now The Sox might not want a new stadium but rather a good deal renewing their laughable lease in 2029 instead and the ability to build more in their area. You don’t negotiate for the thing you want.

The proposed White Sox site was once a railroad yard. Most of the city's passenger trains came into Chicago from the south and passed near this area. Once passenger trains left, the land was still there. There are probably some environmental cleanup issues associated with the site. And the White Sox have long been the second team in the market. The concept of developing some form of shopping/business.entertainment district surrounding sports facilities is relatively new, as the surrounding constantly used development subsidizes the stadium, which is only used part of the year. One of the first people to do that was Steve Ellman, the former owner of the Arizona Coyotes, who built a development called "Westgate" to the north of the new Glendale arena. Ellman had an excellent idea, but its execution had two flaws. One was the 2008 "great recession" which stopped the anticipated growth in the Glendale area, and the second flaw, in 20/20 hindsight, was the location. Ellman was banking on the growth of the west Valley to make up for the fans lost by the relocation. It didn't work out.

Wowsers! The WS leaving the city, with just one MLB team in Chicago ? I'm a Cubs fan, but I'd like the WS to stay in the Southside. 😮

Let them leave. No more money to subsidize Reinsdorf.

@troyarrington5492

Ай бұрын

Fk that

Most Sox fans are worried that Reinsdorf will live into his 100"s.

White sox fans are done with Jerry reinsdorf spitting in our face

@gnielsen07

Ай бұрын

Jerry reinsdorf spent over 200 million on the whitesox payroll 2 years ago. And he spent that money with bad attendance from the fans. Man I’d die for an owner to spend like that in Ohio. Y’all are blessed lol. Cleveland won’t even spend half of that

@kylehall3765

Ай бұрын

@@gnielsen07 he's never spent more than $75 mil on a player, in 06 there was record attendance and he then dropped payroll that team went 90-72 to 72-90, after winning the division in 21, their only big signings were relievers, he spends no $ in scouting and analytics, he won't fire the manager because he doesn't want to pay him, he hired the gm from inside the organization instead of an outside search, and he's now asking the city for $1 billion in tax payers $ for a new stadium

@kylehall3765

Ай бұрын

@@gnielsen07 he also has an insane stadium deal where he makes $ If fans show up or not

The same Chicago that has to borrow $1.25 billion for housing and development isn't exactly in the position to give the White Soxs $1.7 billion. Also, the current ballpark isn't really the White Sox's problem. This isn't an Oakland Colosseum-like issue. Guaranteed Rate Field has received renovations over the years. The two big issues with the White Soxs are that the area around the stadium needs development and the franchise is bad. They've missed the playoffs something like 15 times since they won the world series in 2005 and the current team is one of the worst in history. It makes a lot more sense for the city of Chicago to invest in the area around the current ballpark and for the team to invest in the farm system and free agents.

@draneym2003

Ай бұрын

This is the part I don't get...the same people who say Chicago is crime ridden, and they'll never visit. A, it's not true, but B, even if you're not comfortable visiting, how exactly does redirecting money away from addressing the problems you're concerned about and giving them to a sports team in any way help?

@steveb.2326

Ай бұрын

Bingo, this feels a lot like Oakland. Simply, a City that cannot afford it and a really crappy owner.

@kenkunz1428

Ай бұрын

@@draneym2003 Amen draney!

@HHSGDFootballJPD

Ай бұрын

​@draneym2003 It started with getting suburban commuters to stay in the city after work. By patronizing local businesses, those businesses can pay city taxes which allow services to be funded. When businesses were still leaving downtowns in the 70s and 80s, it was about providing good paying jobs, city identity, and investing in a run down area.

@mmmbbq

Ай бұрын

@@draneym2003 addressing the problems they have created as a warm and welcoming city to illegal immigrants. Yeah, crime is low in Chicago. smh

I get called a screaming Mimi when I talk about Baseball's knickers being on fire and they are still fitting themselves for a new suit. They already have a colossal fail in Oakland with a failed team, a failed management, and a stillborn relocation. They have a successful team in St. Petersburg that still has trouble drawing fans because of location and political squabbling over the new venue. KCMO just killed a faciliites tax for two teams (although KC is probably the least of MLB's relo problems at this point). Milwaukee just raided their coffers for the Brewers, the political backlash of which we will see come November. The Angels are on notice. Even Baltimore! Kendrick's not-so-veiled threat to move the D'Backs out of Phoenix. St. Louis just passed gas on this. Better believe that Jacobs in Cleveland and Coors in Denver are both in the crosshairs soon. Even Petco in San Diego turns 20 this year - that magical age where seemingly everything in Baseball becomes magically obsolete and derelict - unless of course you're the Red Sox, Cubs, Yankees, or Dodgers...Think about that. That's fully one-third of the entirety of MLB with fan bases being extorted for titatnium plated cup holders in the luxury boxes...Now here comes Reinsdorf. He only needs a billion and a half. Sure! Just head on down to 121 North La Salle and grab it out of the petty cash drawer. No big deal. And sure. You can have all the prime real estate you want in the 78. Just take it. They love you so much, it would be their honor to shower you with these regal gifts. Oh. But there's one little problem. There's been a little glitch with a company called Ballys. Yeah, they screwed that site up. Right before they closed the Tropicana Las Vegas after promising your boy John Fisher free land there for his A's. Seems the pilings for their big, bad casino were going right into the city's utilities. Ooops!... 😃...So you might have to clean up that mess first. Just go on back to La Salle then, and grab yourself another billion and a half from the Teeasurer. She'll be waiting for you...Honestly, MLB ownership couldn't tarnish their reputations any more if they all went out on parade in beehive wigs dressed in mumus with electric blue eye shadow and ruby red lipstick...

Why should the fans go to the games when the management doesn't care

I guess I should start watching the White Sox games on MLB TV. It's always interesting to keep an eye on the teams at the bottom. You never know what might happen.

Reinsdorf actually could have Camden Yards, but he turned it down and wanted a "modern" stadium. Could you imagine how the Chicago skyline would have looked in the background? Amazing.

this is the 'make owners pay for their own shit' button

pretty soon, New York and Los Angeles will be the only two teams markets left in MLB

There is nothing to worry about. JB Pritzker is one on the most powerful governors in the country and his family owns the Hyatt Hotel chain. Adding the stadium at The 78 will support the Hyatt McCormick Place, 1 mile south and Hyatt Regency 1 mile north . Everyone's pockets will be filled by this construction project. What will happen is that a bill to expand the Illinois Sports Facility credit line to support both projects will be put into the Illinois budget at the end of the May. The State Democrats would not dare vote against the bill, since JB funds their campaigns. The state does not have to worry about tax holder backlash, because the Illinois Republican party is inept. Rinesdorf may be a bad baseball owner, but he knows how to play Illinois politics. The only thing that will hold this up is that someone's pockets are not properly lined. Illinois is not stupid like California. Don't compare us to them.

@kenkunz1428

Ай бұрын

The taxpayers pockets will be emptied.

Nobody city wants that clown show team. Reinsdorf has ruined the Sox and Bulls.

And that’s one of the issues with the merging of the AL and NL, when the two were separate entities that is one of the things that saved the Sox in Chicago a few times in the 70’s because the AL did not want to loose the Chicago market to the NL, now without that competition the owners and the league officials have very little regard and will say something as stupid as “the Giants exist”, or in the future “the cubs exist”.

They aren’t going anywhere.

Proceed w/ caution. -- Salt Lake is making all kinds of overtures to attract an MLB team. As you may have heard, they just got Arizona's NHL team ( minus the name).

@harrellkerkhoff8054

Ай бұрын

Salt Lake City can’t hold Chicago’s jock strap. White Sox arn’t going anywhere.

@teddtarr

Ай бұрын

True. -- Salt Lake can't compete w/ Chi-town when it comes to their high crime rate, especially murder.​@@harrellkerkhoff8054

go to the National Baseball Hall of Fame, spend a couple of days touring the site and make a list of all the displays, references and photos featuring the White Sox. They are a an integral part of the game of baseball and moving them would be taking one of the foundation stones from our game. MLB would be much the poorer league without them. This has to work out. On a personal note, I saw them on April 7 1977 at the first ever game of my hometown Toronto Blue Jays. Good memories. They played on a snowy field!

Let’s Build A New Bears Stadium Before we Put any Money into the WhiteSox .....It’s the Bears Time to get Some Money.

My great uncle, William Harridge (former president of the American League and the name on the American League Championship Trophy) would be deeply saddened by this news. My family grew up as White Sox fans. My great uncle had a soft spot for the Sox as that was his home town, AL team. Modern times, though, require modern solutions. He described it to my dad that the Cubs are the White Collar team of Chicago, and the White Sox were the Blue Collar team. It would be sad for my family to see them move, but I would hope they would go to a market that keeps them in the mid west. I could see Indianapolis working. That may be far-fetched, but Indianapolis is a growing market, and could have potential for an MLB team. Nashville would be another option.

Screw Reinsdorf One of the worst owners in professional sports. I hope the White Sox move to Nashville. GO CUBS!!!!

Manfred with the silly comment “the Giants are still here.” Are you serious? Some people are die-hard fans and won’t just go “root” for another team.

Its crazy how in hindsight, for all the hate he got, that their most successful stretch in the last 5 years was under Tony LaRussa. Im a Cleveland fan but White Sox looked like a juggernaut for years to come, and then they threw the pin instead of the grenade.

The day the White Sox leave Chicago is the day I am done with Baseball in any capacity (which isn't much even now) Be damned on my life if I switch to being a Cubs fan....

@aidenawe9359

Ай бұрын

Mostl likely it won’t happen

@Owensully123

Ай бұрын

Become a Brewers fan if the White Sox leave. You can keep your dislike for the Cubs and support a team nearby that’s in the opposite league

@alexm.6533

Ай бұрын

As a cubs fan, ima be sad if the white Sox leave. They’re a historic team and should stay in Chicago. Plus I love the rivalry between our ball clubs.

@okiban1

Ай бұрын

​@@alexm.6533Absolutely, The Windy City Rivalry is always a hoot since I'm the lone Sox fan among my Cubs loving family.

Contrary to public opinion, Chicago is NOT A CUBS TOWN! Chicago is the third largest metro market in the country. The South Side is technically a blue collar area where the White Sox play, as compared to the yuppie debutant north side where the Cubs play. As a Sox fan, I am sick and tired of these millionaire owners begging like Keith Sweat to the city and state governments for public money to get a new stadium. That would ultimately mean tax hikes and we have been taxed to the eyeballs! Call me a wishful thinker, but we need another Bill Veeck type owner who cares more about winning and the fans than money! Okay…..rant over.

I live in Chicago, and here is something to consider. The cost of housing has skyrocketed in the city over the last 20 years or so. There have been many hardworking, decent families priced out or gentrifyed out of Chicago in that time. This is a problem that deserves the attention and response of Government Officials at both the City and State levels. A billionaire owner of a horrible baseball team deserves no response at all. Reinsdorf is a billionaire who can go buy land somewhere and easily afford to build a ballpark, even though he has a perfectly good tax payer funded ballpark available to him now. And I would say the exact same thing for the Bears. Neither the Sox ballpark, or the Soldier Field renovation are even paid for yet, even though both were done more than two decades ago. If Reinsdorf wants to go, let him go fleece somebody else.

Also Brodie, you do great work. Really appreciate your efforts.

@harrellkerkhoff8054

Ай бұрын

I wasn’t impressed with his report. It felt bush league. Not sure he understands how much Sox Fans hate the owner.

I wonder if Brodie had been around in the early 1950's, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns, and Philadelphia Athletics, the less popular of teams in two-team markets of that time. A few years later, in 1957, what he would have said about proposed relocations of the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers out of the nation's largest city to California, which had become the nation's second-most-populous state within the previous 10 years and would soon surpass New York in population.

@brodiebrazil

Ай бұрын

migrating west was a thing. teams were replaced out east (see KC Royals, New York Mets, etc.) It's not the same now... by any means

The reason why the 78 is still available is because it’s right next to the Chicago Union Station train yards and the pollution. There is insane bad.

FYI, like Bruiser Brodie mentioned, cold, early games in Chicago so far. In 2023, White Sox outdrew the Tigers, Pirates, Rays, Royals, Marlins, and (guess who?), so they aren't exactly a disaster when it comes to butts in the seats + paid ticket no-shows.

New ownership needed for sure. If it doesn’t happen, relocation could happen

current Comiskey Park is passable because of all the renovations, but i'm not from Chicago so I can't see all the problems with it just by television alone. However I am from Toronto and Rogers Centre (formerly SkyDome) is very similar, only that it has a retractable roof, so i can understand the reasoning for a new stadium. But its still a passable useful stadium. If the White Sox move than they move. It wouldn't be the first time a hurtful move happened.

@BrandanTheBroker

Ай бұрын

I've been to SkyDome, beautiful place to hold wrestling events. As for Comiskey, yeah it has it's issues but they don't really necessitate a new stadium at the current moment. It's not an ugly park, it's not the beauty of Camden Yards or Kaufman Stadium, but it's still a great place for now.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

You all forgot one thing, major league owners would have to approve a move out of Chicago, not a sure thing

The Cubs should leave. And I say that from a totally unbiased perspective.😊

@kenkunz1428

Ай бұрын

Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel!

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

The Cubs were talking about relocating in2013 if their renovations at Wrigley Field weren't completed, true story

I’ve been a fan since 67 and I say let them go. The Reinsdorf ownership has soured me on my first favorite Chicago team. I’m done until he sells. 😢

I don’t understand the overreaction by EVERYBODY. Yes this is a historically bad season so far…guess what….almost every team has had a historically bad season. The royals had like 3 or 4 straight seasons with over 100 losses and I never heard fans saying the team was gonna move or sell. It’s baseball…shit happened. Things didn’t work out. What could go wrong, did go wrong. It happens. People are just being extreme because we were built and promised to be a dominating team and we didn’t.

@aidenawe9359

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@HHSGDFootballJPD

Ай бұрын

The only way Chicagoans could see Don Mattingly and the Yankees play 30 yrs ago in person was when the Yankees played the White Sox. Now, Aaron Judge will play at Wrigley once every 2 years. Baseball is trying to get more eyes on more meaningful games. And given the fact that they approved a team to move away from a populated, rich market with almost no plan on paper, I don't see why they won't do the same with the 2nd team in a populated, slightly less rich baseball town.

That would be ashamed My family loves ❤ The Chicago White Sox for many years & the food 🍱 ( Stadium 🏟️), some of the best in MLB We know team needs work, but still support them Nothing wrong with old stadium

I love my team but the only reason I am actually spending money on going to a game this year is. Jordan Davis is the post game concert.

I always feel so sorry for fans and players on teams like this. For players you dream of playing in the big leagues and once you make it your playing at home in front of fewer fans then you did in AAA or even high school. Then the fans are so passionate but no one seems to care other then you.

The abysmal start to 24 is not the biggest indictment of Jerry. The fact that Jason Benetti left for Detroit speaks volumes. A lifelong, die-hard Sox fan who was working with the best analyst in the game couldn't take it anymore. Blowing up the team to this extent is a 4-year rebuild minimum. There will be 3000 people at Guar Rate for a long time.

Please check out the Reno's to blue Jays park. $300 million x 2 during off season to demolish and rebuild Rogers Stadium all private funds & Canadian dollars place is now retro and fan friendly

I've seen this movie before. It's a copy of the script for "Major League"

I disagree with the MLB not caring about the Sox staying in Chicago. Oakland doesn’t seem to want sports there and all teams are moving. Sadly, this is a wait until Jerry does situation. Just like Blackhawks fans had to do with Bill Wirtz. Jerry at 88 isn’t getting any younger and doesn’t want to compete. He’s worried about penny pinching. This is why the Bulls and Sox never can compete at the highest levels.

White Sox fans, Oakland was the shot heard round the league. White Sox fans need to jump on this immediately!

Sox fans make up for attendance in drinks consumed. Also we all have jobs so no one is going to a Wednesday doubleheader

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

That would be no problem for me , not everyone is working , Like those who are retired, I could go go to those DH's or watch them on TV

Dont say this because it will get Salt Lake another hardon for taking a team, but a team with history like the White Sox will be very depressing.

These "Spin Cycle" videos are tough to take, but they keep popping up. The '70s and '80s are gone, and not returning. People are not going to pay to watch bad baseball teams anymore, because the on-field action is tedious (strikeouts, un-athletic players, bullpen usage), the rules have become borderline semi-pro (pickoff attempt limits, ghost runner, three-batter min, DH), and the scheduling is exhausting; inter-league play and too many teams. In the days of 16 or even 24 team MLB as a fan you could follow your team extensively, and the rest of the teams in its league in a good amount of depth. MLB is trying to adopt the NFL model, where people root for their teams, but don't really know the roster, and have no idea about opponents' rosters. Good luck trying to sell that to people who actually are willing to buy season tickets to baseball games ...

I can’t imagine a different ballpark will fix this tire fire of a team.

I don't think any market should have more than 1 team in a league anyway. Illinois is losing population and Philadelphia Boston and St Louis all had 2 teams at one point too. Demographics and population trends of the US are moving south and west.

@2ugrover385

Ай бұрын

I absolutely agree.

They arent going to move the team. Its a scare tactic to get people to come to the game. We arent gonna put money in Jerrys pocket while he shows us no respect and doesnt care about the fans. See you in hell, Jerry.

According to ESPN, White Sox average 17,776 per game so far in 2024, still higher than the Royals (15,955) and the usual suspects: Rays (15,576), Marlins (14,259), A's (6,243). Their ballpark looks fine - might have to get used to it as the Bears are the priority in terms of building a stadium complex which will likely cost over $3B all in, with the Bears apparently willing to contribute $2B. I think everyone knows the Bears stadium will get built. You're move, Mr. Reinsdorf.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

Everyone in the American League Central Division draws horrible, look at all the averages

I would rather renovate GRF.

Reisdorf is getting greedy. Heck Their current stadium isn't Even paid off.

I prefer the White Sox over the Cubs. The thing I’m concerned is the public funding not going through but I hope the White Sox get the stadium on the 68

@KendallLitwin

Ай бұрын

78

MLB is not going to allow the White Sox to move from the Chicago area, as that would mean abandoning a major city / media market. Even though the Cubs are there, the revenue from having two teams in Chicago would be enough to cause MLB to say no to any relocation, unless it's to a suburb of Chicago. If Illinois refuses to give spend tax money on a new White Sox stadium, the team will likely relent and work out a deal. Unlike Oakland, the city of Chicago has leverage over the Sox. Where could the Sox go, that would have the revenue potential of the Chicago area?

@aidenawe9359

Ай бұрын

Couldn’t say it any better

@HHSGDFootballJPD

Ай бұрын

Austin/ San Antonio. Single team in a 5 million+ region. Charlotte--major banking center MLB already allowed a team to leave a richer area with just as much population. That team was also the 2nd team in that region in terms of popularity. Just because they have 'Chicago' on their jerseys and play within city limits might not save them.

@michaelleroy9281

Ай бұрын

​@HHSGDFootballJPD Austin San Antonio are not bigger than Chicago not even in banking or financially

Interesting take. This wasn't something I was considering, but with what Brodie presented, it does seem conceivable.

@harrellkerkhoff8054

Ай бұрын

He’s all wet. Was not impressed with his comments. Clearly doesnt know the history of the owner, the Sox Fans and the city. Sox are not going anywhere.

I think we're about to reach the point where cities/states/provinces start pushing back against owners demanding taxpayer-funded resources on a regular basis. In the short run, it likely means a few teams have to relocate, and in a few cases we'll see "historic" franchises relocate. In the long run, I see this as a good thing; this isn't where taxpayer money should be spent, given the greater priority issues that exist in areas such as education, healthcare, and social system. Unless these owners can come up with ways to improve those areas in the process of making their demands...and they won't...then more and more jurisdictions will tell the owners to go pound salt, and that's a good thing.

@draneym2003

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. Unfortunately, it only takes one city to cave and give in.

@Fatblue246

Ай бұрын

i wouldn’t say they won’t. NYCFC just got their MLS stadium in Queens NY approved and it’s entirely being built with private funding, not to mention it is being built alongside the LARGEST redevelopment program in NYC in the last 40 years. The entire area around Willets Point(where the stadium is being built)is being revitalized. New affordable housing, new public school, new public library, tens of thousands of square feet of open space and green spaces. The ownership group is paying the entire 780 million for the new stadium while the city/state is paying for the revitalization projects to go alongside it. It’s possible when ownership and the municipality work together and logistically figure out what makes sense, both parties just have to be willing to make it work. Not to mention if legislatures really want, they can just make moving a massive legal nightmare like Ohio has after losing the Browns

@steveb.2326

Ай бұрын

Problem is that there are cities without a team that are willing to subsidize. See Salt Lake City, Charlotte, Nashville, and maybe even Portland.

I mean.... Oakland has TWO shovel ready sites 🤷🏿‍♂️ somebody share this with mayor Thao 😏

You could move them to Des Moines, maybe they could outsell the Iowa Cubs. Doubt it, tho...

Bout tried of teams trying to get tax payers fund billionares for their projects.