Awesome! I hope to fly on an electric one day eh!

Congratulations Greg McDougall!!! It's great to see a fellow Canadian leading us into the future of aviation. Others will follow, eventually.

@salvadorhardin2644

2 жыл бұрын

Only an idiot believes the future of aviation is electric. This little toy proves only one thing - rich people can spend money to look "green".

@chrisfox9263

2 жыл бұрын

@@salvadorhardin2644 you must still be using 8 tracks, records, cassettes, film cameras, land lines and probably one of those who believe the gas engine is here to stay! The information is out there, read a little.

@salvadorhardin2644

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisfox9263 That is one stupid analogy. Can you calculate the weight of the batteries required to power an airplane the size and capacity of a Boeing 747 flying at 800Km/h from New York to London? (Never mind the charging stations needed say at Kennedy airport for all air traffic) Or the batteries needed for a cargo ship traveling from China to the US? ICE will be here for a long long time, if only because there aren't enough minerals in the world to power all cars.

@chrisfox9263

2 жыл бұрын

​@@salvadorhardin2644Allow me to educate you. Harbour Air, going electric . . .electricity is cheaper, maintenance is cheaper, so Harbour Air could make bigger profits, while passengers get cheaper tickets. Their electricity comes from hydro power, so it is truly green / no CO2, everybody wins! Btw, Norway has plans to change ALL their domestic flights (15-30 min) to electric planes in the mid 2020's. They are already converting ships to electric. Norway new car sales are 72% EV's (no hybrids) . . . the world is changing. Catch up or get left behind!!! the choice is yours . . . & your opinion will not stop the change!

@salvadorhardin2644

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisfox9263 You completely avoided the answer to my question. Sure, some flights will be electric. Just like some cars. But the vast majority will remain ICE. Period. Where the hell do you get hydro power for a fully electric airport the size of Kennedy, or Pearson? Stop being a moron and educate yourself.

the first question was , is that your voice?? Good work n very informative

@ecoaviate

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it still is my voice :D..I appreciate the feedback greatly.

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Crickets since the event. No fossil fuel, what do you think charges the frikn' battery.

@av8tor261

2 жыл бұрын

It's all PR. Transport Canada shut it down and Harbour Air had to return the motor. It was a loaner.

@jannepeltonen2036

2 жыл бұрын

Solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, heck you could probably even use tidal power in those parts :D Also, the latest I found was from July where they mentioned working with Transport Canada to be able to start flying in 2023. So we'll see.

@stickynorth

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know the power mix of BC? No? Then STFU! It's 95% hydro powered with one or two small backup plants for NG in more rural locales... SMH... Talk about a bad faith debater...

@markplott4820

Жыл бұрын

Battery plane CAN be charged w/ MARINE Turbine/ SOLAR & TESLA Megapack (4.5Mw) . no GRID needed. Plane can then DC fast charge up to 350 kw. ONLY from Megapack battery.

Ok so the fact that air density does not affect torque of the motor is true. This does in theory offer an advantage for hot and high take off. However there is more than a little BS about all this. For a start the weight of the batteries is an order of magnitude higher than that of the fuel so the advantage is more than offset by the weight. Also, it makes no difference in the cruise where full power is not used. What really limits the altitude of the propeller aircraft is the efficiency of the prop itself, after all, a turbo charged piston unit can maintain its power as it climbs and actually enjoys a slight efficiency gain due to reduction of exhaust back pressure. You can call this the first commercial flight by an e plane but in reality the payload and range of this aircraft is vanishingly small compared to the exact same airframe equipped with quite literally 1930s engine technology. So the comparisons with pioneering flights of yesteryear are really quite bogus. What we are really looking at is this: replace a 1930s engine with the cutting edge of electric propulsion; result: achieve payload and range performance that is pre-war. And pre-war here is literally pre First World War. Bottom line is the amount of energy you can store in a battery per unit weight (as well as volume) is 30 times less than that of the fuel we need to replace. This is a particular problem for aircraft. Even if you make those batteries much cheaper, you don’t solve the weight problem. We need batteries with much better energy density but there is a long way to go. The price of these batteries is dropping steadily but the weight just isn’t. So the comparisons with the old pioneering flights are not justified. Engine technology and aeronautical engineering back then were both in their infancy. But technology here is already quite mature due to electric cars so it isn’t as if the energy density of the batteries is suddenly going to improve by the requisite factor of 10 that would bring them close to avgas and kerosene. Battery performance has improved significantly in the last 20 years which has got us to the point where electric aircraft are just viable for short flights with small loads but there is a gulf to bridge between that and the range and payload capabilities of the current commercial fleet. So I look at some of the electric personal air vehicles being tested and it is pretty amazing. But we are not going to be flying on all electric airliners this side of 2050, unless governments simply ban turbine aircraft and the public are prepared to pay double.

@markplott4820

Жыл бұрын

you can LOWER the Body weight by using Composites + Exoskeleton, rather than LEGACY steel body thats HEAVY. WINGS also can be made Composite for Lighter Weight , no FUEL tanks needed. w/ Winglets . can be MORE Efficient FRONT Canard w/ REAR pusher motor w/ STOL Twin Boom design. Propeller can be MORE powerful 6 Blade on pusher mount and Composite blades. NEW Tesla 4680 Nickel cell 56% more powerful than BEST 2170 cell. can be made in Structural Pack. can Augment power w/ SOLAR cells in MAIN Wings & Twin Boom Tail.

@XPLAlN

Жыл бұрын

@@markplott4820 Nobody builds commercial airplanes with steel bodies, and all the airframe efficiency gains you list are irrelevant as they benefit both propulsion modes. The energy density percentage improvement of the TESLA batteries is in single digits over more than a decade. You have been suckered by their PR into believing they made a 56% improvement in battery performance. What they did was build a cell x% bigger by volume and said it had x% more energy. Which it would, because it is bigger. It is most likely somewhat cheaper for them to make and they get a marginal weight gain from having fewer cells to connect together. Such are the trivial gains that remain to be had with Li.

A ham sandwich has more energy density than a Ni Cad battery.

@stickynorth

2 жыл бұрын

And more of an IQ than your comment... NEXT!

@markplott4820

Жыл бұрын

TESLA 4680 Nickel is more energy Dense than BEST 2170 Li cell.

Did you get to edison generator and dynamos to replace fossil fuels. Edison generators make flight unlimited electric.

@markcampbell7577

2 жыл бұрын

Edison generator is an imperative for your airplanes and this will result in unlimited electric flight airplanes. An Edison generator can easily be built. The Edison generator uses the field magnets to spin the coils.

@ecoaviate

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually some food for thought. I'll look into that. Thanks Mark!

@salvadorhardin2644

2 жыл бұрын

@@markcampbell7577 Serious question here - do you even begin to understand how stupid the "flight unlimited electric" is? When the generator is heavier than the plane...

@herbertshallcross9775

2 жыл бұрын

@@markcampbell7577 The one thing we know is that better technology always replaces even an entrenched, profitable existing technology. Snake oil salesman always pretend there is a conspiracy to prevent their highly superior technology from coming to market, but if that was the way the world worked, steam locomotives would still be hauling freight. If there was a magical Edison Generator or a "Zero Point free-energy device" that was as simple as coupling a generator to a motor every school child in the world would be taught the inventor's name. Edison and Tesla are famous for what they did do, not what people imagine they might have done if "secret forces" hadn't suppressed it.

Battery technology is not ready for a serious commercial electric plane. Short, slow hops, charged by coal, will be the rule for some time.

@stickynorth

2 жыл бұрын

Uhhh not in Vancouver/Victoria, BC where Harbour Air is located. They are 95% powered by hydro... Also even Alberta will have fully killed coal by the end of this year... And we are the largest source of coal in Canada... So yeah... Two dead strawman for ya, homeslice!

@stickynorth

2 жыл бұрын

The worst you could say about charging an EV airplane or car in Alberta these days is that it's powered by natural gas... mostly... And that's still half as polluting as coal... And even that's being eclipsed by solar and wind which are by far the cheapest sources of power now and probably forever...

@markplott4820

Жыл бұрын

GARY - FALSE, NEW Tesla 4680 Nickel cell is 56% MORE energy Dense than BEST 2170 cell. 4680 can be in Structural battery pack. LESS Aircraft structure NEEDED. ELECTRIC motors Exceed speed of FASTEST gas Prop planes. no need to Charge from GRID , TESLA Energy makes Commerical SOLAR & Megapacks (4.5 Mw ) each. with 1000w MARINE turbine can make power 24/7/365. Plane needs REDESIGN , lower WEIGHT w/ ALL Composites & EXOSKELETON (Munro). Plane needs All Composite WINGS and STOL Twin Boom Tail . DELETE fuel tanks. Plane needs ALL Composite 6 blade pusher motor. Plane TOP surface & Wings/Tail can be covered in SOLAR to Suppliment power. LOWER weight System battery (15.5v Li) rather than OUTDATED 12v lead acid. Lighter WEIGHT 100% Glass cockpit .two Large Vertical flat Pannel. Pilot/Co.

Totally useless airplane! Will never work out commercially!