I'm curious the enemy teams rarely target you, whilst every time I play Buffalo I always got at least 4 targeting me the second I got spotted.

Aerroon: So I want her to fire at my side platings Massachusettes: Hang on, I've seen this one before

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

I know right. When I was playing this match and thought that I got a really strong sense of dejavu.

Hey Aerroon, you and I were discussing this on r/WoWs with the OP and you made a video on it! Great turnaround time too! Thank you man!

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

It's more that I was already playing the ship and had my gripes. Then I noticed somebody was talking about this particular topic, so I jumped in!

Thanks for Guide, Aerroon. Still grind USN CA for first time and now playing Baltimore, i think i love this Tech tree. im sure this will help me when i got Buffalo

Great suggestion about taking the propulsion and steering 2 mods. Completely changes the feel of the ship from sluggish to tolerable. But this ship is still friggin painful to play. Whether I try to use cover or snipe and kite from range (I have the range mod) I get citadeled incredibly easily.

I don't know this game strategy, but in history, the Baltimore was a much later US heavy cruiser, two and a half cruiser generations (Wichita, Cleveland, Baltimore. They belong 2 tiers separated. On the other hand, both fought in WWII.

@forcea1454

3 жыл бұрын

What Wargaming calls the Buffalo is an unbuilt design called CA-B that belongs to the same post-treaty unlimited tonnage design generation as the Midway, Montana, Alska and Fletcher classes. It was designed in July 1940 as an improved follow on to the Baltimore with heavier protection against Super-Heavy 8 inch shells, aircraft facilities placed amidships and a 4th turret (CA-A was essentially a Baltimore with the heavier protection, whilst CA-C had both the extra protection and armament, along with a higher speed of 35 knots). However the need to rapidly increase production led to repeat orders on the Cleveland and Baltimore classes, which would be in service sooner than a new design.

@buzzpedrotti5401

3 жыл бұрын

@@forcea1454 thanks.

They weren't sure how to bridge the gap between a well balanced tier 8 and a frankly OP tier 10, so we got this weird, underpowered hybrid at tier 9. One positive: because of the turret setup, it does teach players the very valuable and under-utilized skill of open-water cruisering in the US heavies. Too many people lose out on the DM's potential by being over-reliant on nosing around islands and only using the front turrets. One other thought: put on your man pants and swap that range mod for reload! :)

i'm with you on this Aerroon, i'm kinda stuck on this ship atm

Even on Asia, where passiveness is the game, I found reload mod Buffalo to be fine at t9. The extra turret coupled with the faster reload just worked for me. I just played it as a heavier Baltimore, with rudder mod instead of prop mod and I used the concealment module. Another kilometer of where a dd can spot you and you can't do anything about it just doesn't work for me. In the end I surprisingly did good in the Buffalo, it wasn't blatantly strong for its tier like the Baltimore, but it's a pretty good ship

Speaking of differences between tiers, take a look at the Myoko, Mogami (203mm) and Ibuki... they're almost the same (same guns, armor scheme, hitpoints, reload). The only thing you gain between tier 7 and 9 are two additional equipment slots.

Got Buffalo yesterday. Haven't played it yet as I am doing directives for Anchorage. Thanks for the upload. I was thinking about the same build. See a lot of negative post on Buffalo. Guess if I don't enjoy it I'll FXP to DM

Honestly? I sacrifice range and slap the reload mod on instead. 10.5 second reload on 12 8 inch guns makes the Buffalo a mid to close range beast.

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but what do you do in a T10 match when you're against stuff like Slava, Stalingrad, Thunderer etc?

@thelastholdout

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aerroon you do your best to island hop like you would in a light cruiser, and turn away and kite when you're engaged with ships like that.

@waltermelyon4300

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. Her range is deplorable and requires sacrificing mobility for little gain against T9/10. Best to save dispersion by foregoing MK9 mod and use turret mod in slot 3. Also go for top grade gunner cmd skill as you forego concealment in slot 5. With reload in slot 6 you end up with a fairly manuverable, fairly quick turret, fairly fast reloading ship with poor concealment and horrible range. Now what to do with such a prodigy? Simple you tank by following your DD early and pray they shoot him instead of you. It's a tough choice as clearly you are the stupid one and therefore less of a threat. And while they ponder the possibilities you open a devestating salvo having spotted their DD with your radar. Follow this by running and you might survive but most importantly you've impressed such a peculiar situation that might just tempt your opponents into pushing early which with proper BB support would win the day.

How do I play it? Poorly... Then I got Alaska in a box so I don't have to play it anymore. But Honestly learn to love the AP and hope for players falling asleep on the flanks

Hey aerron, i play Buffalo like the dimitri donskoi, kitting and fire from medium-max range, only if you have 3/4 enemy ships in your side, play it like baltimore. That works for me

I was very happy with my 101K game in the Buffalo. Watched this video. Closed WoW.

0:40 on WoWs Blitz the Baltimore is tier 9, and Buffalo is a tier 10 Premium

My opinion is dated as I loved the buffalo, never sold her, but played her most 2 or 3 years ago. I would go with reload mod(so even with only front 2 turrets, you have balti level reload) concealment, and try to ambush DDs and/or cruisers. The heavy AP does what it does so ID use that more often than he against anything other than DDs. Never even considered trying open water, active maneuvering style with her as that breaks from the style of the whole line. ID bet now that power creep has impacted her badly. Most of the strengths I found her great at, are now done better in other ships(mainly Russian) I realize this input doesn't surprise or help anyone, but you have inspired me to take her out again a bunch n see if/how I could make her work today.

I love fighting against buffalos in my Iowa. They just camp behind islands firing HE, but they never position correctly so they end up getting citadelled or heavily penned straight away. They then go quite and tuck in behind the island terrified, so you just have to wait for their team to die a bit and then you can flank the buffalo giving you an easy kill.

Yes a very decent game, you really don't need to change your playstyle for this ship Aerroon. The Buffalo is a great support cruiser and you did your job to perfection 😉

Thanks for the video. I too find the Buffalo underwhelming. I have only played in conventionally - island hugging style and the results are all over the place. I will try this this more maneuverable build, i think I will enjoy that more and have more consistent results or now I have the Des Moines i might just sell the Buffalo!!

The style that I'm playing here is something that StarchyBlue from NA recommended to me a few weeks/months ago. Turns out it works quite well (although I had forgotten about it, sorry!). I disagreed with the style mostly because you give up your role as a radar cruiser, but it seems like it might be the way to go.

great vid. can you do something like that for riga? i still strugle with this ship...

Reload time, armor. I totaly agree with the first statement. Buffalo has no business in tier 9. I got my Baltimore down to 7.7 sec reload, and then go to 11 seconds in Buffalo. I had such a horrible time playing this ship that I sold it as soon as I got De Moines. The instant I got DM this ship was gone. I still have Balti and play her every once in a while.

I have both seatle and buffalo, buffalos dpm is much lower but has great ap for close-medium ranges. you need to keep buffalo in medium-close range (depend on targets) to make use of broadsides, ambushes. distant he spam ideal for seattles play, he spam on buffalo simply wasting your time, it doesnt have the pen or dpm to make it work. Dont brawl in buffalo, turrets break easily. make use of islands, you dont need to just behind the island you just use it for avoiding detection during approachs or runaways. its a ship for dash in make a move with ap and disappear

Does the Buffalo get 27mm bows or 30? I thought the cruiser armour changes gave all CAs a 30mm bow like Hindenburg and Zao, which 406 shouldn't be able to overmatch.

Personally I much prefer the rudder+concealment+reload upgrades over the propulsion+rudder+range upgrades you use, and I think that build may have served you better in this particular game. The reload mod also makes the DPM increase over Baltimore much more significant. As far as playstyle goes I think (based on this one game) you're farming too much damage on BB's instead of playing the objective. I think you found Buffalo's best use at 2:40, it's a cruiser-killing cruiser. I think you made a playstyle mistake in chasing the Scharnhorst and Bismarck (though it seems to have worked out here damage-wise). Once the Soyuz was dead at 7:15 I think you should have gone after that Gadjah Madah near the cap. He was well within your radar and effective gun range. I noticed in your Baltimore replay you stayed closer to the caps. However, the points you brought up are completely valid. The Buffalo is by far the least nimble US CA. Only DM has worse propulsion (but still better rudder) but that gets fixed by the unique upgrade. A while back WG buffed the Buffalo's base reload by one second, but I wish they had buffed its acceleration and rudder as well. Buffalo now feels like the odd one out among the other fairly maneuverable US CA's. Also, I don't think comparing Buffalo to the Baltimore is fair though, as I feel the Balti is borderline OP at T8. It has full 27 mm plating (at T8!!) with a better turret layout than Hipper, great DPM for a heavy cruiser, American Piercing shells, and excellent concealment that gives it the ability to stealth radar.

Totally agree.

It's easy...you have to suffer and then you get DM :)

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

It does feel a bit like that.

@MikoMuru

3 жыл бұрын

Des moine kinda sucks now since its legendary got nerfed

@KarthikVishwamitra

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikoMuru DM is still one of the strongest cruisers in the game. The legendary mod nerf didn't really make a difference to its overall power level. I think its biggest weakness comes from the CV rework. DM was always weak to AP bombs but at least it had very good AA pre-rework. Now its AA is a solid "meh" which means most CV's can strike it with impunity. This especially hurts DM more than other cruisers because DM is a mostly stationary, island-hugging cruiser.

@FMeyer-zg5mg

3 жыл бұрын

havent touched my DM since 2019, because she felt a bit old and weak, yesterday she was strong again :) maybe the patch 2days ago did good for her? dont know

I did best in buffet following an aggressive BB about 2km and taking DD duty. Have to have a non bot BB though.

As Vipersocks said, you had a good game in the Buffalo. I always thought they should have long range torps, but I guess that would be an Anchorage then?

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, that is Anchorage.

U know that the Baltimore wad the tier 9 but when the Wooster branch came out they mooved the cleavland to tier 8 and the heavy line dropped 1 tier

I struggled with the Buffalo, you think with the extra turret you feel like you can do a great deal of damage more than the balti. I did best with her when i played her like the DM.Donski, stay at about 15-18km and spam HE and kite away, then late game push in.

@yileichen4988

3 жыл бұрын

I do like her getting mediumly close to use her AP though. I mean she is the only USN cruiser that has 12 of those heavy American shells and can easily blap broadside BBs for 6 or 7k, if lucky even over 10k, not mentioning cruisers. She can bully 380s and below, but will get bullied hard facing anything above. It's really match dependent.

From your recent videos, I assume you are regrinding the american cruiser line

Always adjust your angle, swing for all 4 guns, fire, twist to defensive angles. Play in support of other ships, not as a principle attacker (unless your team is useless)...... Strong AP, good firestarter. Otherwise, cant wait until I grind to Tier 10. Prefer Neptune, almost to Minotaur.

I solvewd the Buffalo problem by taking the Alaska.

I think you forgot about the 14.3 caliber rule because that defines the chance of ricochet also

for me the 90% of the IX tier bc ar power creep, only a few thech tree bc and the premiums stands the fight...

Yeah, weird ship. Also, you get USS Alaska which probably is the best tier 9 cruiser in the game. WG balancing team is really kicking in.

9:48 - "Now I don't want to advance too close to the Bismarck because she might have secondaries"... (Mind you he's already only 10km away when he says this)... 11:27 - Now he's continued to close confidently with a Bismarck to only 8.7km away after saying he wanted to avoid doing that, and somehow when 99% of Bismarcks are specd to have over 11km of secondary range this particular Bismarck's secondaries still haven't fired a single round even when Aerroon is only 8.7km away. Not only did I find all of that to be quite a lucky break for Aerroon but there's also the fact that he was somehow able to do this well while open water gunboating in a US cruiser for the entire match.. Even up at tier X in something like the Des Moines US cruiser captains need to use island cover as often as possible in order to survive for any length of time in a battle, yet here he is open water full throttle gunboating in a US cruiser and even chasing down Bismarcks to within 8km with no worries... Something seems fishy here with the skill level or complete lack thereof of his opponents.

@IYF_Productions_SL

3 жыл бұрын

He was openly gunboating open water in his cruiser when other bigger ships were closer to the target ship. It made them focus more on those ships than his.

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

The thing you have to understand is that Buffalo has 27mm armor everywhere. 380mm guns will ricochet off of these armor plates. The only damage a Bismarck or Scharnhorst can do to me when I point my bow at them is the superstructure. Now try doing damage to a cruiser while only aiming at the superstructure of a cruiser.

@wolf986

3 жыл бұрын

He paid everyone in the match. We've solved the fishy feeling you had. Congrats.

@IconProduction01

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolf986 Illuminati confirmed, I knew it.

Aerroon if you want to play Baltimore as a tier 9 then you should start World of Warships Blitz . Baltimore is the tier 9 USN CA, while Buffalo is currently the only tier 10 premium. Also please tell me how the angling works I just started PC and since angling hasn't been explained in WoWsB I don't understand it in the least

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

The way angling works is that if the enemy is flat broadside to you they are considered to be at 0 degrees to you. From 0 degrees to 45 degrees (diagonal) your shells will do normal penetration calculations. From 45 to 60 degrees there's a chance (that increases with the angle) that some of your shells will ricochet. At 60+ degrees your shells will always ricochet. The only exception to this is overmatch - if the caliber of the shell is very large compared to the armor plate thickness, then the shell will simply go through it unabated. In this match I kept angling against the enemy Bismarck. This made my angle towards them above 60 degrees. My armor plates everywhere are 27mm, which is high enough that the 380mm guns of a Bismarck cannot overmatch it. Therefore the Bismarck could only get ricochets off of the hull of my ship - or some minor damage from my superstructure. If that Bismarck had been the Massachusetts instead with her 406mm guns (like you see at the end), then her shells wouldn't ricochet. When you're angling you want to angle in a way where enemies ricochet as much as possible.

@spectrumwarships8501

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aerroon Thanks for explaining it to me. This seems very hard to do I'll probably have to play a lot to understand it completely

How do you get to demount module for free??

Honestly the buffalo , if not for the HP heal , is a downgrade of Baltimore . Sure, a tier8 Buffallo against tier 10 will have a though time , but when you are top tier, oooh man, you are scary in that ship.

You should have been more active in killing dds. You were initially poorly positioned to protect the dds, and were slow to respond to dd in the cap or detected. Even after nearly getting torped.

I hated the buffalo. So unyielding... I just used a ton of free exp to skip it

@MrAwol007

3 жыл бұрын

same its trash ship

dear @Aerroon - rec video how to play tallin the citadel eater :D

If you take the fire control mod 2, that puts you range out to 18 km.

Buffalo and Seattle have the same problem... But concerning buffalo I can tell u that 12 guns with great dispersion can instantly devastate a DD at low distances, Baltimore can't do this.

I don't what that friendly Monarch player was doing. How do you miss the broadside of a Massachusetts then follow up with HE?!

@memyshelfandeye318

3 жыл бұрын

Because the british BBs can't hit the broadside of a train station from the inside. In one match I was kiting away all alone on a flank, shooting at some BB coming at me. 5 full salvos, each time all shells landed around the targeted ship - at 12-15km ... . It was so bad that the targeted player asked in chat why I couldn't hit him ...

you ask how to play but i think you already said why you got killed in the end ..bcs you got greddy :) well iam not a pro at this game definitely not but if i can just say this maybe keeping the distance and not to agressiv would do the trick i mean its a crusier you cant really push unless its a heavy crusier ( i guess) and agianst bb at last bcs you did a good support and helped probably your mates with you know firing your guns so yeah i think you did well but its like in all crusiers stay away from bb they just delete you ... but thats just my litte contribution

I love how you have a great game, but still find the time to complain. Endlessly. J/k (not kidding)!

@blueangels111

3 жыл бұрын

It more is just a, feeling. I target shoot for fun. One time i shot a 49/50, but I just felt like I did awful. I dont know why, but the entire time I just had a feeling I was dojng really crappy, and not having fun

Ok, so i'm going to write this comment as i watch along, so it's prolly going to be disjointed and such, but ill put something more coherent at the end. So, the buffalo, imo it's prolly the strongest T9 tech tree cruiser (except for riga, cause i haven't played it yet), and i liked her a bit more than balti (though i do have a higher w/r in balti) So, you always want to keep all your guns firing, since all your armor is 27, it doesn't matter if they hit the bow/stern or casemate, it's all 27. Unlike other USN CAs tho, you also don't want to close in, play it somewhat like an american AP zao, without torps ofcourse. Which is one thing i'm noticing in this match, you have to use AP more, against the soyuz for example, anybody (except DDs) showing any kind of broadside? use AP unless you need fires, you'll do more damage than HE. In the buffalo you need to be thinking further ahead of the ship than the balti or the DM, so your maneuvers have to be timed earlier, and which way you swing your guns also has to be timed earlier, stuff like that. I also highly recommend using john doe or some such captain with the improved expert loader, My captain build is basically the same as yours, except with PM instead of IFA. I do use the concealment build though, with the rudder shift mod in slot 4 instead of propulsion, cause you want to always be moving, and while rudder shift in slot 5 would be conducive to that, i find the 10.7 concealment helps go stealth faster near caps, which i personally feel is important. I'll play a couple of games in the buffalo and get back to this comment. Having said all that, you actually did very well, just don't try to brawl like a DM or balti. Edit: ya, i honestly don't feel any different about this ship than before. It's still the long-ish range american zao.

@the_dented_NPC

3 жыл бұрын

Bro, are you from india? You have an Indian locomotive as your dp

@madmanthan21

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_dented_NPC Yes, Delhi infact.

@the_dented_NPC

3 жыл бұрын

@@madmanthan21 oh nice.. what server do you play on?

@madmanthan21

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_dented_NPC NA

@the_dented_NPC

3 жыл бұрын

@@madmanthan21 ah cool

I heard AutoBahns...then realized it is autobounce :D I should listen less Kraftwerk.

that....

I can't help you with how to play the Buffalo. I find her a poor ship, so I have just leave her in port and play other ships. She has no been out for months.

Finally!!

WG could fix this line. Wichita at T8, Baltimore at T9 again and Buffalo as a premium T9, for those who paid for Wichita get the Buffalo for free

@divide12903

3 жыл бұрын

Noo not my fav t8 up to t9, gotta say balti fits well into t8

maybe you should have showed a more representativer battle then, if you wanted to make a point.

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I don't know exactly what a more representative battle is. One where I just sail around not engaging anything, because I know I'll be blown up since enemies can't ricochet? I feel like that would be rather boring to watch.

Sneak up to a BB and ram it

go do spotter, there for the real pros

you play it by not playing it, FXP to the des moines

IFHE + BFT + ManSec park stern-in near a cap and profit

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

it has 12 turrets??? Holy shit! :-P

Any Tier IX cruiser CA sucks IMO compare to their tier VIII peers: they are barely better because of the heal and range mod, but have worse MM. think of Roon, or even worse, Ibuki, Brindisi. the only exception are Riga (casually) and Drake, because their tier X sucks even more! in the end, Buffalo is far from the worse of the bunch, with Radar, good AA, excellent HC and amazing AP

Judging by your last video on the Baltimore you shouldn't

In the end you were too greedy. If you didn't shoot the back guns in the end but stayed just a little bit more angled you could have had a chance.

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure. Massachusetts *can* go through my bow armor with ease. There is no ricochet mechanics there.

ever tryed to play as a torpedo boat? :P

@Aerroon

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! However, big guns kinda ruin it!

T9 is a low point for a lot of cruiser lines. Buffalo, Seattle, Ibuki, Roon... all worse than the t8s preceding them.

This is just one of those cases of a bad tier9. The RN CL line suffers the same types of issues with the Neptune. Tech tree hurdles are a mainstay of WG's income.

@camtheman32020

3 жыл бұрын

The Neptune is fucking fantastic tho?

@jozseftoth9368

3 жыл бұрын

@@camtheman32020 yeah i love shooting it👍

@madmanthan21

3 жыл бұрын

Neptune is pretty good, if you think this and the neptune are bad, you should play roon and the seattle, those are just awful ships.

@s.r.robinson500

3 жыл бұрын

@@camtheman32020 I personally like the Neptune. But relative to the edinburgh and Mino its out of place. Guns are an upgrade from Edi, but you lose concealment, rudershift, amor, and turning circle.

i dont get why people struggle with the buffalo, its literally just better baltimore i think

@divide12903

3 жыл бұрын

Well thats your opinion, but may i ask, did you ever play that ship?

i hate this thing

I dont like the Buffalo. Its an outdated ship.

The Baltimore is a crappy ship!

Ranting about the Buffalo ... puh, fix the Ibuki first, now a shit ship since the beginning.

This is like the complete opposite of the correct way of playing the Buffalo. You're playing to its weaknesses, not to its strengths. It has shitty ballistics, it's slow and handles poorly, but it's really tanky and has devastating AP at shorter ranges (under 10km basically). What this should tell you is that you need to take a position and hold it, not try to make it into some kind of long range open water gunboat, it'll never be good at that. Take reload mod and concealment, play the goddamned objective and hug your waifu harder.