Oh yeah Jingles? The Kurfurst died to the fires caused by the torpedoes of the submarine? Our old man is giving WG ideas: incendiary torpedoes.

@BPKPhoenix

2 жыл бұрын

Come on, we all know its _historically accurate_ that they had napalm torpedoes in the day!

@mattschm5486

2 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure torpedoes could cause some kind of fire if they explode in the right place….

@atigerclaw

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattschm5486 Flooding near damaged electrical lines equals sparks. Sparks start fires. The rest is history.

@anananandsdsdsds3486

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattschm5486 This is, indeed, almost certainly how HMS Barham exploded shortly after she was torpedoed by a U-Boat in 1941. She was in the process of capsizing at the time, so it was an added-insult-to-injury kind of deal, but yes, there is historical precedent for torpedo attacks causing fires on board ships that are hit by them.

@korbell1089

2 жыл бұрын

IJN Taiho has entered the chat.

Konrad nailed it. It was the competition to see who was the greatest potato … and the competition was tense

@thomaskositzki9424

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment the same. ^^ The Halland and the Montanna were glorious.

@vampirecount3880

2 жыл бұрын

Man i would love to hear the montana's perspective on the comments if he ever watches this

@shadowfox8748

2 жыл бұрын

@@vampirecount3880 “I feel bad for the poor little destroyer … merry Christmas little guy”

@Veloxyll

2 жыл бұрын

Even gamechat knew people were having rapid onset shit to the brains.

@benji-24

Жыл бұрын

Konrad himself isn't off the competition either.. that was way too aggressive at the beginning.

Submarines killing submarines actually happened more than once in the continuation war, even with one reported ram kill by a Finnish sub crew. A lot of weird stuff happened in the Gulf of Finland.

@prestonlee9965

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was referring to the one kill in which a submerged sub sank another submerged sub running away from it.

@keptinkaos6384

2 жыл бұрын

@@prestonlee9965 using torpedoes not suicide

@nazamroth8427

2 жыл бұрын

@@keptinkaos6384 What is a submarine, if not a giant torpedo...? Helm, ramming speed!

@gnomenorthofthewall1982

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! It was Vetehinen in 1942 that rammed Soviet submarine Щ 305

@therealcrisis8439

2 жыл бұрын

well, it's Finland, so weird stuff is to be expected, isn't it?

That final though: Submarine XO: "We are out of torpedoes, Herr Kapitan." The Captain: Puts on monocle. "Nein! WE are the torpedo!"

@gyrene_asea4133

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it hilarious that BOTH surfaced submarines chose to ram the GK as their final acts.

@firestarteronyoutube5542

2 жыл бұрын

@@gyrene_asea4133 now, they do say great minds think alike with good reason

@simselmore5625

Жыл бұрын

He must have been a Japanese expeditionary captain lmao

"he died to the fire set by the torpedoes" Old man, the minotaur got the last kill.

@erratikaze2524

2 жыл бұрын

"Fire set by the torpedoes" Oh old man never changes

@fighter0894

2 жыл бұрын

Usual Jingles logic lol

@ggkavlos

2 жыл бұрын

Let the old Man to believe that he was right 🙃😉

@arkadikharovscabinetofcuri3465

2 жыл бұрын

Whether he is right or wrong, he is right 😂😂😂

@haroldbenton979

2 жыл бұрын

Fire did happen from torpedoes. Contact explosion on a fuel bunker of a ship will set a very nice fire on one. Or the shock damage of the boilers letting go would also do the trick.

The Halland doesnt use the Hedghog launcher, the launcher on the Halland would be the "Bofors 375mm anti submarine rockets"

@stephen1r2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but you forgot the "Actually Jingles," part

@joca1378

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, at 6:50, Jingles said it wasn't a Hedgehog launcher or am i missing something

@kampfsau9997

2 жыл бұрын

@@joca1378 Yes and no, he refers to it over the entire Video as a hedgehog launcher but says it isnt in the sense that "WG fucked it up because it fires depth charges"

@joca1378

2 жыл бұрын

@@kampfsau9997 I guess it was a softer "actually Jingles" :D

Reading the chat roll was a hoot! One player commented (when the Monty fell to the Halland), that is was a game to see who was the greatest potato.

@Xiphactinus

2 жыл бұрын

That's how you know you're watching an NA server replay lol

"...technically died from the fires set by the torpedoes from the submarine." Wait wut? They can inflict fires?

@anonnymousperson

2 жыл бұрын

No, he actually died from AP shots from the minotaur. The submarines just ramed the BB.

@selonianth

2 жыл бұрын

Not only can they not, and the german actually died from the Mino, but Jingles is actually talking about the Kurfurst killing the OTHER friendly submarine with fire.

I try to play this game.. just can’t put up with the toxicity.. Your videos are the only things that keep me interested in the game.

@tomstech4390

2 жыл бұрын

PVE my dude, it can get repetitive but it can be good to embrace the grind of trying new ships and upgrades on your own terms.

@midend

2 жыл бұрын

Pve to master bot spawns and the ai behaviour in scenarios, then maximizing exp and credits without hitting high damage numbers and topscoring in a frail ship, is an art form. Give it a try.

@RyandeSilva

2 жыл бұрын

I watched jingles videos quite some time before even installing the game. One day I felt that I should try. And several times I gave up simply because I was not good at playing. But somehow I found a few players ( in a random match) who taught me to play and ever since I am enjoying the game. It's not the best game nor it has the best player base but just like in real world if you can get along with the right people and you're okay with shitty stuff this could be a good place to have fun. (And the players who guided me now are one of close friends)

@MyH3ntaiGirl

2 жыл бұрын

Thats why i no longer play WG PvP For tanks, i play Armoured Warfare, they have great PvE and special operations (but ill put a stop to playing them due to the invasion of Ukraine, they are owned by Russian) WoWS PvE is so lacking, even in operation with only tier 5 6 7 But hey, at least it is so much better facing bottomhugging f*g and sky cancer To be honest i rather get HE spam all days and bullshit shit rather than any CV or sub, f*ck them and every single person that even touch them

@sirbattlecat

2 жыл бұрын

Just have to not give a fuck.

Pretty sure the "Hedgehog" launcher on the Halland wasn't actually a Bofors 375mm anti submarine rocket, which has both contact and hydrostatic fuses and will detonate based on depth as well.. hilarious!

@forcea1454

2 жыл бұрын

For those who are interested, here is a Bofors advertisement of the weapon system in question. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q2ZqyrGldbOdgbA.html

The Halland is like the M4 Sherman: jack of all trades master of none.

@KittyFoxKitsune

2 жыл бұрын

i mean, master of AA, but considering actual AA effectiveness across the board, that's like saying im the master of sight because i have 20/20 vision and Stevie Wonder doesn't.

@duvagr007

2 жыл бұрын

@@KittyFoxKitsune This is one of the greatest things I've ever read thanks for the laugh.

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

@@KittyFoxKitsune Well that is a Similar thing to the Atlanta it is designed as an AA cruiser but because of how AA works in the game it is more of a heavy destroyer

@hagostaeldmann

2 жыл бұрын

Among destroyers, it has the best AA in the game and It has the best torpedoes in the game. I wouldn't say it's "master of none."

@emberfist8347

2 жыл бұрын

@@hagostaeldmann Not really the best torpedos it has terrible alpha damage. Even the weakest Shmi torps do double the damage of this thing. Also Jingles made it clear in multiple videos that good AA is purely cosmetic.

16:16 "Fires set by the submarines torpedoes..." Never change Jingles XD

Unusual timing for a video, but I ain’t complaining.

@jamesfisher5233

2 жыл бұрын

8am uk? That’s not unusual at all

@JoshCreepa

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfisher5233 well it was around 5pm AEST, normally it would be later, like around 7 or 8pm.

@NoLandGod

2 жыл бұрын

He usually posts 3am for me which is about right. Cause it's 3:25am now

Gronigen has forward depth charges as well, but it doesn't have torps and 360 degree rotation on both guns

@rileychu4489

2 жыл бұрын

smaland or freisland do as well i cant remember which tho

@berryrijnbeek5938

2 жыл бұрын

@@rileychu4489 Friesland

@bismuth8394

2 жыл бұрын

Ragnar too

@timriley4434

2 жыл бұрын

So does the Alexander Nevsky and the Smolensk

@naggarond

2 жыл бұрын

Groningen and Friesland use the same rocket DCs as the halland does, designed by the same manufacturer

Hearing Jingles talking about ASW reminded me of Greyhound, the Tom Hanks ww2 movie that came out last year, and made me wonder if Jingles has seen it and/or he enjoyed the movie if he has seen it.

@captbumbler5356

2 жыл бұрын

It was Tom Hanks winning the war in their first convoy action.

@therealcrisis8439

2 жыл бұрын

I've only seen the Trailer to that movie and that alone was enough for me to say "Yeah, no, I'm good, thank you..."

@haakonsteinsvaag

2 жыл бұрын

He probably has seen the movie, but I wish he had not. Because historically it is horrible. The DD ASW actions is fine, it is just the german submarines that are complete morons, so that Tom Hanks emerge victorious.

@gonotgone1

2 жыл бұрын

If you want to watch an actually decent film about anti submarine operations in WW2 I would recommend The Cruel Sea 1953, no great CGI but much better written.

@patraicemery

2 жыл бұрын

@@haakonsteinsvaag i wouldn't say it was inaccurate, more they got a bunch of different encounters and meshed them together.

Those aren't hedgehogs. Halland never had them, instead it was built with 375mm bofors anti submarine rocket launchers. also you can see them on the Friesland and Gotland in game. It's a weapon system still in use today.

"He wasn't even really aiming his torpedoes at the GK". Well actually Jingles he did have the GK targeted and was hovering around the prediction line, when he launched the torps, so he may very well have been, especially given the Smolensk had up to that point not shown an inclination to poke out too far from the island (hence only the single hit previously).

@arrrgee

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they were definately dual purpose torps, he went for both GK and Smolensk, but Jingles videos have to have these little comments in them to keep us talking in the comments section!

@Thermalions

2 жыл бұрын

@@arrrgee Jingles is the king of generating engagement by subterfuge. 🕶

I could literally feel my braincells dying during the last minutes of this match...glorious! :-D Watching it again with the potato song in the background now.

“Johnny” Walker’s group utilized a random attack method, in which two destroyers steamed in trail, with the after “can” maintaining sonar contact with the submarine and signaling the forward “can” to drop over when directly over the unsuspecting/un-maneuvering submarine, with often very bad significant emotional events upon the submarine crew. B-T-W They, Walker’s group utilized a creeping attack in which a deeply operating submarine just sailing along minding it’s own business is subjected to a (often deadly) depth charge barrage provided by several parallel destroyers, steaming slowly, remember the sub’s quite deep so the depth charges will not therefore damage the dropping vessels due to the very deep depth setting used on the depth charges. Lastly, while not overly accurate per se, depth charges provided s cumulative damage effect upon the dub, which was often enough to force its surfacing. Also I believe that the ‘Squid” which was a forward firing anti-submarine device (similar to the Hedgehog) but could be set to detonate at a selectable depth setting was also used in WWII. The advantage of maintaining sonar contact, while still being able to more accurately aim and subsequently incur damage to the target even by an adjacent “near-miss”, was obtained.

Actually most of the Pan-Euro/Clod German DDs have those forward launchers. Haland, Smáland, Ragnar, Friesland, and Groningen have it for a fact.

It's hillarious to watch the autogenerated sub, filling in the Hallands name with anything but Halland.

The laughter makes the silliness worth it.

We all live in a nuclear submarine, Reactor's sprung a leak, Now we're glowing green.

What a great vid. Exciting and informative.

This game was immensely fun to watch. More WoW strangeness in one game than anyone could expect!

I found this line really easy and enjoyable to grind. What you lose in torpedo alpha damage you make up for in consistency. Heal is also always great for any misplays and you get them from tier 4 I believe.

I have been waiting for this ACTUALLY JINGLES ! Friesland has forward launching dept-charges

This is where you understand that "Random" battles have a deeper meaning

@Pincer88

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, delete skill, ship's and captain capabilities or coordination - let's have the dice deciding. One might as well go to the nearest casino.

Than you so much, Evil Gnome, for explaining the distrust towards the Hedgehog so clearly, and the advantages that eventually helped it secure respect... I've seen documentaries all about the Hedgehog that didn't make any sense of that. Well done! You note that the Halland can't fire the forward turret directly ahead... this is interesting modeling from WG considering that battleships like Iowa and October Revolution can fire dead ahead at low elevations, which they weren't able to do IRL. Especially in the case of the Iowa class, this wasn't considered a serious drawback, due to the expected range of engagements. 12:53 typical fail-team behavior: most of the team milling around, almost sailing in circles in the same spot in open water, while the enemy team goes in and gets things done. Looked pretty bad at that point. Extra props to the captain of the friendly Salem, who was clearly paying attention, and made sure that enemy after enemy actually went down instead of surviving by the skin of their teeth.

Halland torps I believe (if swift fish increases torp speed by 10%) you can get them to 94 knots.

@timmyingelbrecht6977

2 жыл бұрын

95 even

“It is a competition of the who is the greatest potato” ~Some guy in chat~ 15:27

IMHO, right now other ships with the airstrike have an easier time sinking subs than destroyers in this game. The sub/ DD interaction is broken.

I don't play World of Warships very often (ok, not very often is less than accurate I've played like 5 or 6 matches!) That being said, I really enjoy TMJs commentary; it is informational and fun to listen to. Thank You Jingles.

Good Goon reference Jingles, excellent movie

Great Play By Play! Jinglerific!

A bold yet clear video title

Thanks Jingles.

I think the Friesland is also forward firing depth charges edit: "Died to the fire set by the Submarine's torpedo" never change Jingles

Depth Charges had the added benefit of phycological warfare as well. There are recorded instances of crews surrendering after prolonged depth charge attacks on every side of the war. The US Navy had "depth charge rations" where after being depth charged the crew would receive a shot of whiskey or a beer.

The way hedgehogs worked, according to my Dad who used them on North Atlantic convoy duty, was they had a position-sensitive fuse that would arm once they started sinking straight down and would detonate when they landed on something (eg. the sub) and tipped over. The shockwave from that first explosion would activate the fuses in the rest of the pattern and they'd all go off at once.

Jingles... Halland has ASROCK launchers, not hedgehogs, and ASROCKS are basically just rocket propelled depth charges. Now, notably they're fixed forward in game, which isn't accurate. In real life they're able to pivot and elevate, giving them a nice range or distances to be fired.

@jrsviking215

2 жыл бұрын

They were even guided to a limited degree i think, it was to make sure one set blew up over and one under the submarine

@TheFreaker86

2 жыл бұрын

ASROC isn’t just a rocket propelled depth charge, it launches a Mk. 46 homing torpedo

@jrsviking215

2 жыл бұрын

Nope i looked it up, it's not the ASROC but a Swedish made 375mm M/50 unguided rocket launcher, the strategy used was to launch one lsuncher under the target and the other over it

@user-nd9jp2lj2r

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, those are the Bofors 375mm, which are proximity fused rockets

Im a DD main in game but I'm more of a Halland player. Mostly due to the quick reloads of the TP & Im trying to get the most TP hits by a DD in 1 game. Anyway I enjoyed the history lesson. Good stuff mate good stuff.

depth charge are just sea mines with timer, so imagine a halland irl is just laying its own mine field and sail into it.

@naggarond

2 жыл бұрын

Technically they weren't depth charges, they where acoustic fuzed anti submarine rockets, its just weegee that can't implement it that way... Would make the game to complicated probably

Jingles I just got the Jervis recently, should I spec it into a gunboat build

Highly entertaining to watch. A nightmare to play in would be my analysis.

" An Idaho Potato Farmer ". Would had a field day in that one for sure.

“Actually, jingles”. I’ve so wanted to say that… Hallands had 14.5 inch (ish) 4 tube asw rocket launchers (bofors). Two of them. They did not saturate a zone like a hegdehog/mousetrap. More like a squid or limbo launcher. However, I think they were acoustic fused, so your point about ‘no sub no bang’ is still true.

The great thing about Hedge Hogs is that they go out in a large pattern. So if you are close, you have a pretty good chance of a hit. Like you said... it only takes one.

Nice again... And good facts..

With all the discussions of hedgehogs I kept expecting David Attenborough to appear.....

Thanks Mr. Paul!!!👍🏻😎

Jingles...The Kurfurst dies to the Mino's shells...plus torps/rams don't set fires.. *Shotgun shells being loaded*

@lonemarkkingoftypos3722

2 жыл бұрын

I got confused at his statement lmao, glad i wasnt rhe only one hearing it right.

i got stuck on the Montana logic, is next lvl

Great video

Hey Jingles! Subs killing Subs was a very common thing in both World Wars. Especially the Royal Navy Subs proved to be very successful. A quick look into "U-Boote im Duell" by Harald Bendert even shows that HMS Venturer took out 2 German Subs, U 771 and U 864 in WW2. Ah yes and great Video as always!

Well this beginning of a halland at low health looks really familiar for some reason.... I think you gave us a video with a case like that as well (only then we did not have any subs)

outstanding, confusing but enlightning

the Friesland and Groningen also have these forward facing hedgehog launchers

I just reversed in the center of 2 Brothers in the Yorck and was able to follow the sub into our home cap, and then I got him with close quarters after he was forced to surface. I only got 2 or 3 Depth charge hits, but boy did that Close Quarters feel great. I think they should force subs to stay at periscope depth when torps are under way.

It was, especially with commentary, entertaining.

"I don't know what that battle was..." It's any given battle on any given day in WOWS

great video

The Halland-class was the first non-Soviet destroyers with anti-ship missiles. The two Rb315 SSM was mounted on the aft torpedo tubes.

Speaking of the efficacy of hedgehog mortars, I suggest looking up the exploits of the aptly named USS England, becoming famous for killing submarines with a single salvo from the hedgehog mortar

What a cluster fudge of a match

just a quick note here " Died by the fire set by the torpedoes" dies to mino guns. yep watching jingles

That was a PERFECT Title!

That Montana at the end.. Jesus .

Well this was mildly entertaining.

Actually Jingles, Friesland also has those forward firing hedgehog thingies. Oh no. He’s getting out his force multiplier.

Halland is supposed to have two hatches in the stern of the ship, but not modelled ingame

5:20 Halland is not the only ship with forward depth charges if you were wondering. Her sister Smalland also has them, as does Ragnar, Alexander Nevsky, and both the Friesland and Groningen. Also, none of these listed ships actually have hedgehogs. All of these except Nevsky are anti-submarine rocket launchers. Nevsky I think may have the Russian equivalent of a hedgehog though.

The Groningen/Friesland also has deptcharge launcher to the front!

What's with the supersonic torps crossing at 90 degrees at the start?

Beginning - with all the explanations reminds me of Scottish Koala featuring Ostergotland in a video like 2 years ago (Trigger Finger or something like that). He basically said the same things about it as you about Halland. And it's still one of my favorite WoWs videos of all time. After watching it I finally decided to play the game. I'm a potato, but what confused me was that there was CV tutorial and it didn't match what I was supposed to do in the slightest. Because of course it was done before CV rework and not updated since. BTW - if you ever want to watch absolutely gripping WoWs game - watch that video. Player's name (from memory, so it isn't 100% correct) was I think Ermanaamer.

Goodmorning jingles. Early on the vid, no mind just good content awaiting

I've been looking for a video for a while now and haven't been able to find it. Can anyone help me find it? It is a replay of an unknown ship on an unknown map (srry for that) what I do remember is an exceptionally high number of aircraft kills (100+). I think it is hard to find because the video has a more generic name with no direct reference to the number of plane kills. Thanks!

Friendly Salem played quite well and racked up a few kills.

I saw a video on reddit of a submarine ramming a dd, and the sub lived with half health. The DD was near full health

You make a much bigger deal out of the ASW launcher blocking the turret than it really is

Captain ! We ran out of torpedos !! No, we ARE a torpedo

I think this match broke my brain.

Yay got my replay featured a second time! Note to self - Jingles seems to like the bizarre more than the refined ;) (I’ve sent him lots of intense ranked matches where all the players are playing super well) it is funny to watch wacky plays!

His first mistake wasn't shooting, it was coming around that island in the first place.

Actually Jingles... it was quite common for submarines to torpedo each other during WW2. A submarine on the surface could easily be torpedoed by another at periscope depth. The unusual thing was for a sub to sink another sub when they were both submerged; that only happened once.

The torpedoe that causes a fire 😂 just when you thought jingles was going to do a full videos without been shit 😂

@ThePhoenix198

2 жыл бұрын

Explain HMS Barham then, and the number of merchants vessels that caught fire after being torpedoed irl. Which kind of makes you look the fool rather than him, doesn't it?

@bambirambo466

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhoenix198 here come the internet hero 😂 the game is NOT real life tho is it make you look like a fool rather than me lord help me 🙏🙈😂😂

Today I learned that in an emergency, a submarine can be used as an armor penetrating torpedo.

The Friesland/Groningen also have forward launching asw mounts

Okay this title makes it seem as if this video will be really fun and maybe even a bit wierd We shall see

The Groeningen and whatever the hell it replaced (Friesland?) also have forward firing hedgehogs.

The Nevsky also has forward firing ASWs aswell

Fires from the torpedoes? Uh Jingles....

Friesland has them too @The Mighty Jingles 😉

DAMN IT JINGLES(places Admiral of the fleet stars on your shoulders)...

It's pretty typical for a Random battle. DD fighting for a cap. Meanwhile, his teammates, 2 BBs and a Radar CA are heading for the next map and allowing him to be ambushed by an enemy Smolensk. The Smolensk was not detected by any of the three other ships because they were lined up behind an island and that includes the Salem who was too far from the cap to make any use of his radar when the Smolensk smoked up. Random battles for DDs have become a case of taking a cap and then immediately handing it back to the enemy for lack of support ...or taking a cap and dying while defending it alone as your support runs to the other side of the map.

I play on the Legends version of the game on the Xbox, I was in a game earlier this week where I spotted a new DD, the Västerås. Turns out that supertesters are testing that and the Skåne at tiers 5 and 6. I've been hoping for the Halland since I first saw it.

To be fair, a submarine can be used as a massive torpedo... once

Sub on sub torpedo kills happened more than once in WW2. Jingles should check the record of the USS Batfish.

Much of the strangeness in this battle is a result of WGing making the ships so convoluted with their skills.

On November 28th, 1941, Dutch submarine O-21 sank German submarine U-95 in the Mediterranean Sea, off the Spanish coast somewhere, East-South-East of Málaga.