Just to clarify, I still do enjoy WoW and this video does not apply to all WoW players and doesn't reflect my views. It's obvious that so many people still really love WoW! This video is designed to be thought-provoking and attempt to explore why some people may not enjoy it anymore. It may not apply to you. This isn't a 'one size fits all' video and I encourage you to give the video a chance before commenting. With all my videos I try to stay mostly objective and echo the consensus to discuss about, rather than make a pure opinion piece where there's no room for anything else. It's all in the balance. These videos are all for discussion, entertainment and opinion, so whether you have quit WoW or are still loving it, please leave a comment explaining why!

I can relate to optimizing the fun out of a game. Once that happens, the game is virtually a job at that point.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

It's all about identification. The game is for sure demanding but some of it is just self-inflicted these days.

I have had such a great time playing the game in the 12ish years I've been a part of it using an extremely simple method: I don't play if I'm not having fun. Even in the worst times there is almost always something to do, and when there isn't I'm fine with taking a break for a few months.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's a very healthy and sensible way of looking at it. I can't really sum it up better. I think fomo is a big part of it all too. If something stops being fun then you absolutely should take a break, but some people feel as though they have to continue otherwise they may miss out on certain rewards etc.

There's an angle that also needs to be considered: the story. I was a roleplayer first, everything else second. Yes, I quested and did dungeons, but I did it primarily to immerse in the story. I first left because I hit a tough financial spot. I had planned to return, but then my friends also left. By the time I had gotten to a better place, BfA happened and it left a strange taste. I could still be a fan but I stopped really wanting to explore it. Then Shadowlands happened and... yeah. Dragonflight wasn't bad but it also solidified what I had come to accept: it wasn't for me anymore. More power to those who enjoy it, but I am so sick of shallow, sizzle-reel MCU moments and heartfelt family therapy sessions. I fell in love with it when it was about being badass, heroic, monstrous, tragic, and larger than life. At least Iridikron is a cool villain, but all the rest just leave me feeling hollow. I definitely changed, too. I won't cop out of that. After I left, I started to really appreciate stories that had a beginning, a middle, and most importantly, an *end*. Our media has become so consumed by the need to prop up shows for as many seasons and sequels and prequels and spinoffs and on and on and on that it has left me mentally exhausted. WoW feels tired, and the fact that the design philosophy going forward *was* stated to take its queue from the MCU was heartbreaking.

@edd_TV

28 күн бұрын

Shadowlands was extremely jarring. I can understand where you're coming from there and I empathise. I played WoW primarily for the story. I wasn't a roleplayer but I loved the story and it was hugely important to me. I can relate to what you're saying with Dragonflight too. I tried to invest myself in it but something felt off, and I can't quite figure out what. I don't want to put it down to being a 'story for children' or 'disney' or something like that. I just didn't feel the story was remotely gripping. Maybe it was the Dragon Aspects. It's really hard to say. I think you are bang on the money with the MCU correlations. A lot of people preferred it when it was heavy metal. If you read this reply, I recommend you check out my video 'The Mourned Identity'. I think you will relate a lot! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, feelings and experiences!

I was a mythic raider and high keys on m+been playing since 2008 but then one day I got burnt out and I wasn’t having fun and realized I haven’t been for a while now. So I concentrated on getting away from the meta and became a collector. Now I have 40k+ achievement,1002 mounts, 887 toys and every pet in the game minus a couple of blizzcon murlocs. And best part is I’m happy. Play the game how you want to don’t listen to anyone but yourself and you can spend the time doing something you love or like instead of something you feel forced to do.

@edd_TV

18 күн бұрын

I felt the same during Shadowlands. There were obviously so many dark points about Shadowlands, but I was progging Castle Nathria and we were about 8/10M and I just thought to myself 'What's the point? I'm not enjoying this.' I just felt compelled to play, it was so routine to me and I really had to break that cycle. I'm so jealous of your collections! I'm sitting around 34k-ish achievement points and just got the 500 mounts achievement courtesy of WoW Remix! It's great you had the awareness to make the changes needed to find happiness within the game still. Identifying the problem can sometimes be the hardest part. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings!

I played from Vanilla to WoD before quitting. I now set up a private vanilla server to play with my wife and kids. It is still as much fun as I remember. Much more than I enjoyed everything after Wrath.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's really great. You can relive your old memories and create new ones with your family! Thanks for sharing!

@AzadC

21 күн бұрын

I also several years ago started with WOTLK era and cata those were golden times

Loved the video man, I agree with majority of everything you said. WoW as well as anything someone chooses to do for fun is going to be more enjoyable when you choose to engage with it the way that appeals to you most/actually go into it with the intention of having fun and looking for things you enjoy in it. I do a bit of everything personally. PvE, PvP, Mog/Mount Collecting, socializing, enjoying the stories/zones, a bit of mild RP, etc. And i still get pretty strong endgame with my toons, as early Mythic+ keys, lfr/normal difficulty raids, pvp, and other ways you can get gear thats pretty good even if not the absolute top gear you can have. And personally I find that fun enough. And i do it without following metas, such as specific talent builds, using addons like WA/DBM, or taking the game too seriously. I don't think it's wrong if some people want to follow the meta, or do that highest tier end game content. But it would be nice if some people understood vice versa, not everyone wants/needs to do that to enjoy the game. Personally I think people should just enjoy it however they may and let others enjoy it how they choose. Different strokes for different folks. Cause as you said and we all know, fun is subjective. I have played WoW since I was a kid, almost for 20 yrs now off and on. There's been things I disliked that they've done as well as stuff I've thoroughly enjoyed. Playing WoW in so many different states it's been in, and retail doesn't have some of the things that older iterations may have... But tbh, being an adult working to provide for my family, retail has so much I can do with very little time invested. Call it easier, more convenient or whatever. But when trying to play anything before maybe Cata, is so slow and I feel I never progress anything in the amount of time I have to offer to the game. And being so much more alt friendly like WoW is now as an altaholic with little time to play the game, who also enjoys so many different activities in the game... Retail is just what I enjoy and am happy playing the most. And I wish that older/ex players of WoW would just give retail/its players a break and stop hounding anyone just cause they enjoy retail. I respect if someone doesn't enjoy it and it'd be nice to get the same courtesy from people who prefer it in it's classic form or aren't fans of the current game. Rant over. Love the video again. Keep it up. 🙏🔥

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, feelings and your experiences! I think you said it best with 'Different strokes for different folks.' There really isn't a 'one size fits all' for something like this, and we're all so very different and have fun in different ways. I really appreciate your engagement and support with the video. Your passion is admirable and I love the way you speak of the game. Thanks again! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Phenomenal video! I have been playing wow hardcore since WoD, raiding and doing raids for gold. But I've burned out during BfA. Year ago I somehow decided to return but only with one rule in mind - no hardcore. So, I started to play casually and... oh boy, what a joy it is! Understanding that everything will eventually end, and you don't need to be "the first" to play is amazing. I slowly reading quests, talk to people, do LfR and M+ and feeling that I am doing all right, no pressure. I have good gear, I see the story and all the content at my own pace. Simply great . Same problem was with Plunderstorm. People were forcing themselves to play it for "rewards", they don't understand that playing it itself was a reward. Uhh

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Glad it resonated with you so well! Thanks for watching!

You just put into words everything I've been thinking about WoW for years now.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear it resonated well with you. Thanks for watching!

Many years have passed now since I got burned out on WoW and MMO's in general, I used to search for games that would give me that old feeling of "the good old days", but I have accepted that I wont find it again sadly :) I have a family and house and other responsibilities now, what little free time I have now mostly go to single player games. I very fondly remember the good old days in the Everlasted guild, they were some of the best moments in my gaming life. Now I just hope I will find some game/games to play with my son some day when he's older :)

@edd_TV

28 күн бұрын

Big up Everlasted! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and memories Tev!

I've noticed this. I am older, I have a better idea of how I want to spend my free time. WoW is still enjoyable to me, but my focus has shifted. I'm no longer bothered about chasing for gear and doing tough as nails raiding. Now I just want to enjoy the story, slow my pace, take in the environment. And I'm not afraid to take breaks to go play something else for a while.

@edd_TV

18 күн бұрын

I think that's the best mentality to have, Luke. I think we have all been guilty of going really hard at WoW at one point in our lives, and I don't think we regret it either! But it obviously wasn't sustainable as we grew older. I feel the same as you do. Whilst I still enjoy pushing keys in retail and so on, I very much do just want to do what I want to do; farm achievements, collect things etc. I think your final sentence as well is extremely important and I think it's something a lot of WoW players struggle with. They feel compelled to play the game regardless of what state or shape its in and won't play anything else. It's something I think FFXIV does really well. FFXIV and Square Enix will encourage you to take breaks and play other games, whereas the philosophy of WoW appears to be more fomo so you feel stuck. There are so many great games out there right now, I shamefully still need to start FF7 Rebirth. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings, as always!

@LukeStrife

18 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV Funny you should mention it, I think it was playing through FFXIV that taught me to savour the experience of simply just playing. It sounds daft to say it out loud, but it is something we need to remind ourselves about, that games are supposed to be fun and that our idea of fun changes over the years. I've only just gotten around to playing the first FF7R game, thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm stubbornly waiting for the Steam release for Rebirth!

@edd_TV

17 күн бұрын

@@LukeStrife I definitely have plans to release a video about that in the future about how FFXIV changed my perspective of how I play/played WoW. I think XIV changes a lot of people's perspectives on other games! Glad to hear you're having a blast with FF7R!

There is only one raid I actually cleared on mythic while it was relevant and that was siege of orgrimmar after the prepatch of wod. Before that I had a lot of fun of doing 10 man hero during cata and mop and I hate that ithey changed that system with wod.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I played Mythic the most in Legipn. I would love 10 man back as the hardest difficulty too!

One thing that helped WoW in the 2000s a lot was the social aspect. But that’s gone now. Some can blame new systems like LFD and LFR, and while I somewhat agree that those additions have been detrimental in a way, I believe the main cause is the rise of social media. If you wanted to hang out online you could do it completely in game, it was a perfect stage for something like a Halo 2/3 Xbox lobby. But smartphones and social media started taking all those conversations and interactions outside the game delivered in a far more instant gratification manner. And now at this point in the games life almost a full 20 years from launch the player base has become insanely talented at perfecting the gameplay. The top end world first guys are beyond gigabrain and that would be ok if that mindset stayed at the top end but it doesn’t. Very average players will see what the top guys are playing and then demand that their own groups do the exact same thing even though the disparity in play quality is wider than the Grand Canyon. The group finder will demand MDI comps and strats without anywhere close to the level of skill of the people who created it all. Back in the day it was totally fine that a raid like vanilla Naxx came out and only 1% saw it but now there’s so much entitlement that’s been built up in our modern culture that Blizz could never even think about doing something exclusive like that. WoW changed because the mindset of the people playing it changed because the culture and society outside the game changed. We can never go back to the way it was but in recent years Blizzard has seemed to learn how to best please as many people as they can by introducing so many different game modes between retail, classic, classic hc, classic sod, and now seasonal fun events like plunder storm and mop remix that all fall under the umbrella of the same $15 a month sub. WoW had to evolve with the gaming times and while some evolutions were very painful others were definitely more positive. Lots of old players have left but the game still draws in an insane amount of newcomers trying it out. WoW isn’t dying anytime soon for sure even if it understandably became unrecognizable to some of the long term old school guys who grew up and grew out of it.

@edd_TV

24 күн бұрын

Really, really great comment. You have summed up everything really well here. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings.

I've played wow since launch and I mostly only play classic and sometimes retail. I love the early to mid level progression. Just leveling does it for me so I make tons of alts. My current goal is to make enough alts with all thr professions and basically make all my gear solo. I love soloing classic at a slow pace.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I think levelling in classic is one of the most satisfying things the game has to offer. It's definitely my favourite part of classic. That's a big goal you have planned!

I have been this game since vanilla, still hyping with it… hell i bought the pre-purchase war within. My family and friends has been asking me why are you still playing a game for more than 15+ years? You video was a simple explanation, i grow up with this game, im now a father to 2 girls, i play wow because i having my own fun in it, i actually also release all my life stress because its a video game that i can have my freedom. Saying that, my family and my friends got hooked to the game now, and it the most fun i had since i started wow, i mean my wife and my work colleagues are with me online , bunch of grown adults enjoying the laughs and adventures So i keep telling people, its a game and the purpose of it is to have fun, no one is forcing you to play it, you dont like it leave it

@edd_TV

3 күн бұрын

It's really amazing, isn't it? I've had the same questions. I've even had conversations with my mother who remembers buying World of Warcraft Game Cards for me when I was a teenager. It's honestly incredible the game is still going and thriving more than ever with various versions these days! It's a massive part of our lives. I think that's really great that your family have grown to love the game too. You'll create some great memories together! You're absolutely right. It's all about having fun and if you don't like it, you can take a break or play something else! I think sometimes people struggle with identification and why they aren't enjoying things like they used to. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts, feelings and experiences. It was a very heart-warming read!

Agree with so many points. I think for most online games playing with friends make it much more enjoyable and keeps you active.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I think so too. I think you can make anything fun with the right people!

the players optimised a lot of fun things out of the game, but blizzard doubled down on that mentalilty and cater to it. As you said, mythic raids being heavily overtuned for the race to world first its just pointless to 99.9% of the player base. WoW should never be an esport, if the game is good then people will watch it regardless but forcing it to fit an esports mould just turns into an evironment where something like Archon can even be considered worth making.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

100% agree!

@2o3ief

Ай бұрын

I don't understand that mentality. There's 3 other tiers of raiding. I don't feel like my platinum game in league is worthless because I'm not in challenger. If you don't want to do the hardest content don't do it but what harm does it existing for others do?

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@2o3ief I think people WANT to do the hardest, but the barrier to entry is challenging and unless you're in a well run guild with good admin, it can be quite difficult with 20 people. I think some people are just a bit tired of heroic because it's easy for them, but that bridge to mythic is just a bridge too far. That's just my take on it anyway. I absolutely believe there is prestige there.

@2o3ief

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV interesting, I just do PvP so cant speak to how stark a gap there is there but that makes sense to me. I always figured it was because people still wanted the best gear in it of itself even if they're not interested in hard content because unlike league this is an RPG.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@2o3ief I think PvP is different because it has to be competition right? I think I would argue that PvP should be the ONLY competitive element in WoW, but again that's just me. I understanding parsing and dps meters, and it's always fun to have a race with your friends etc, but it does feel like it's getting a bit too egotistical. As far as PvP is concerned, I think it's absolutely fine to go as hard as possible and be as competitive as you can, the goal is to win!

Very interesting and true video on the situation and the ageing of the first players. I gave myself a bit too much to the end game when I was younger, in terms of raids and guild management. And my time has become more and more precious with working life and its responsibilities. So I couldn't agree more on this state of affairs, which some naysayers seem to overlook or don't want to admit. In my case, I continue to play WoW solely for the immersion of the universe and its narrative content, capturing in images my journey, the quests, the landscape... that's what motivates me most to continue this adventure with Blizzard entertainment. As for the end game, I now prefer to focus on PvP as an element of challenge, which I find less stressful than raiding or mythic+.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I think I was the opposite. I was quite lost in vanilla and just happy to be taking in the world and such, TBC was probably my true first taste of raiding and by the time of Wrath and Cata I was fully established and committed. Legion was the pinnacle for me I think; Legion was when I tried my hardest, and surprisingly probably had the most fun! I'm glad to hear the video resonated well with you, and thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings!

Absolutely spot on! I still really enjoy my time in the game because of the particular community I'm in. When I too tried classic, all was well while my circle of friends remained (Playing 'retail' and classic). When BC classic launched it highlighted the issues and we went back to retail permanently. We have to admit, that players have changed and that Blizzard have been trying to cater to the mixed messages received. Dragonflight, for me personally, gives me great optimism for the future. The general populace does not.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's great to hear. I think community is everything! What do you think changed with the jump from TBC as opposed to Classic for you? I'm totally with you there, I think Dragonflight provides huge reasons to be optimistic and I'm really excited to see what's going to happen with The Worldsoul Saga! The elitism will always exist but you hit the nail on the head, it's all about communities and finding what is right for you.

@svhr1959

27 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV At the start of classic I didn't really notice the level of 'tryhard' going on as I was in there with a mass of mates...however when BC came out, there were far fewer friends there. The chats in the general channel spamming hellfire dungeons (LFG) reminded me what I detest; Min-maxing the fun out of the game. Bit like ultra processed food really, it soon becomes crap.

I'd say it's maybe 30% the game, and 75% the players. Like you said, we're all older now, and free time is much more valuable. Way I figure it, the minimum amount of time you want to have for one character in the game is about 10 hours a week. This is assuming you're playing the "right" way and not buying gold. 10 hours a week for one game to a guy with a job, wife, kids, etc., is a lot of time. Especially since a good chunk of that time, the raiding time, is ideally uninterrupted. In addition to the time requirement, the grind just gets old after a while. After playing WoW for about 12 of the last 17 years, I'm just tired of it. Single player games I can play at my own pace are the future for me.

@edd_TV

18 күн бұрын

Very valid and fair assessment. I agree with you. I need to rekindle my love with single player games as similarly to you, I think I've been in the grind and rat-race for too long. I still love WoW and I'm very excited for the Worldsoul Saga, but there is so many games I still need to catch up on, like Final Fantasy 7 Remake for instance! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

Great video man

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!

I’m having fun and enjoyed all of dragonflight. Enjoyed SL but not torghast. The end of SL and bfa were great. Dragonflight has been sick.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I quit Shadowlands during 9.1 but I came back during the end for the Fated stuff and definitely enjoyed it more. Especially because they began the new formula with bringing other Mythic+ dungeons into play, that was a really smart move! Dragonflight provides huge optimism for the future I think. Thanks for sharing your experience!

I definitely still think retail is fun, but I’ll admit that I don’t enjoy playing classic because how I approach the game is not the same as it was when those expansions were first released. Retail WoW is great, but it’s not the same game it was because games evolve, and some people want that and others want the thing they love to always stay the same. Can’t please everyone

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Very well said! I think there is still bags of fun to be had in retail, but it depends on what fun is to you.

I am an Old. As a lass in her 40s I was NOT a kid when WoW came out. I was in college and working a part time job. I had less free time then than I do now. But I still loved WoW because it felt like a huge virtual world I could get lost in and explore. Every achievement felt meaningful, even just leveling up, because questing and the world were dangerous. Leveling was part of the journey, not the lobby you waited in until endgame. When Classic came out I enjoyed that very much, just like I did when I was young. I appreciated it even more as an older gamer. But since the game is so well known now it really got min/maxxed to death. People can get booted from content for NOT being engineers and this was content we were all able to clear back in the day as much more clueless gamers with worse internet connections and dumber addons. I dunno, it's sad.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's such a brutal truth, describing it as a 'lobby you waited in until endgame'. That's really well said. You make a good point about Engineering too in Classic. It's very sad. Thank you for sharing your story, thoughts and your feelings!

Also our possibilities and freedom have changed, when you are an adult you can do much more stuff. Because you have money and freedom. Friday night as a kid, you can only play, you can't go out drinking. Or do bungee jumping on the weekend.

@edd_TV

4 күн бұрын

That's actually a very good point! I think with both growing up and having a job too only fueled Blizzard's idea of introducing the WoW token. They know their audience well and the age demographic; players are older now, they have less time...but more money. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

@nikroth

4 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV I love the token, no more using gold sellers.You can't make me grind gold, I would quit the game. Meanwhile my cousin loves farming gold and the token gives her a purpose.

@edd_TV

4 күн бұрын

@@nikroth I was initially very much against the idea of the WoW token. I was always of the belief that things should be 'earned', but as time has gone on it does make much more sense. It's also very much just a 'If you can't beat them, join them' philosophy. You can't ever really stop gold sellers. I've never bought WoW tokens personally, but during lockdown I did actually farm several of them so I could buy the Shadowlands epic edition for free, haha. I think that's a good comparison with your cousin too. The WoW token may be for you and it's easy and accessible, and then here are other people such as your cousin who prefer to farm it and earn it. I suppose again it comes down to mindset, right? How do you want to get things done? etc. It all makes you think!

@nikroth

4 күн бұрын

​@@edd_TV Absolutely. There are always services that people buy, in some games it's gold. In others, boosting. People are buying services to get you out of ELO hell in LOL for example. And if there is a weekly gold cap, like in Lost Ark, people make many accounts to sell it... The only working solution is real ID accounts, 1 account per person, and if you get banned, it's over.

1. I do have fun: - Good storylines (when they are good) - Incredible music and art - Challenges such as myth raiding - I just like pressing buttons 2. I don't have fun when the game design is bad. Good thing now it's improving.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear it! This video isn't calling everybody out, it's more a video essay for people who feel they can't find enjoyment in the game anymore and attempts to explore why that may be. I do agree with you though! Whilst the story has been disappointing in recent years, it has always been the biggest draw for me. And the art team and music has just been phenomenal throughout, even in the darkest times they have been superb. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@AlexKosSaheli

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV 🎉😊

@AlexKosSaheli

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV Sadly they leaned too much in a soap opera direction, wow lost a lot of musculinity. Even the new Khadgar's face proves that 🤌😂 I recently thought why I like Khadgar so much. And the answer is pretty much the same for Gendalf. Musculonity. Standing for something. Stoiciam, being competent, serving not only themselves.

@AdriusFrostglare

28 күн бұрын

The music and art have usually been a fixed point of wonderful quality in WoW.

Excluding Classic launch. Torghast is the most fun i had in wow in recent times it's just a shame it got such a sour reputation. It's the Best idea Blizzard ever had with the worst execution.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

So very true.The potential was crazy good. I hope they try again with it in time!

@oskardanigsecher9906

29 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV I was hoping that would have been the outcome of torghast with new environments and New enemies on top of that some kind of completely random endless mode.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

@@oskardanigsecher9906 I LOVED the idea of Torghast, and when I was watching people covering it during the beta and whatnot it looked really great. I think they have no doubt learned some harsh lessons and hopefully if they attempt it again, they will realise that it doesn't need to be gated by power or incentivisation. It just needs to be a fun experience and if people are interested in rogue-likes, they'll play it! It's an ace in the hole. It's such a popular type of game and I think it's something they can tap into better with more thought and better execution.

This video also applies to myself and FFXIV. The main talking points are borderline spot on!

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

FFXIV still feels quite new to me right now as I stared late Stormblood, but absolutely you can apply it to anything!

I think all games can become a chore if you play to much to be honest. Got that way with CS mixing; but shouldn't take away from all the fun times we had and stuff like that. Every memory is unique; that clutch, that wan deag, that dodgy fountain plant. The community of friends you build around it. When something becomes routine it starts to lose its appeal and people drift off in search of something that's fun again. For WoW in particular I think the increased focus on dailies probably made the game feel like that - Mists in particular for me - just felt that it was more about keeping me in the game than me achieving a goal and then the cynicism crept in. After that - especially around WoD the game felt like it was definitely being tailored for people who had a higher toleration of that kind of thing and probably far more dedicated to endgame content. Think it's probably a difficult position for Blizzard because raiders are consistent subscribers whereas casuals are not. Focusing on content more geared towards hardcore raiders also means that the game is less accessible to newer and returning players. One of the problems with the subscription model I think. Which is another topic entirely.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

Such great memories. It's interesting that you felt this change in MoP. I do recall that was when the increase of dailies came in, but I can't remember feeling like I was going above and beyond with it in Mists, besides The Tillers farm, I was mad for that! I felt like Legion was really asking for a lot, but because WoD was so lifeless I absolutely loved it. You are right though, it's clear to see the design to keep players active. You make a good point too with who Blizzard choose to cater to/prioritise. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings!

Great Video!

@edd_TV

23 күн бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for watching.

I'm likely an outlier player. I picked it up when I was 16, played day/night ever since on my own schedule. School didn't get in the way, nor did work (worked from home). The game changed, not me. I used to read quests, collect transmog, then SL came out and they just added what felt like 100s of recolours which were all too tedious to grind for. Compared to hitting exalted and buying 4- 5 recoloured mounts for 2K each. You'd grind once a week RNG WQs or NPC spawns... just stupid. Just to keep you subscribed. It moved away from being able to grind and achieve your goal for the effort you put in, to the game gatekeeping objectives from you.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's commendable of you, I respect that. I think it's so important to take in all aspects of the game and not just the typical endgame approach. I do agree with you in regards to Shadowlands. Everything felt tedious about Shadowlands in truth. Reputations have felt poor since BFA I think, possibly even more. I can just remember the reputations being important in BFA for the Allied Races. You are right though. The game is quite predatory in that sense and fomo is hugely prevalent. You can still see it now with the likes of Plunderstorm and WoW Remix. I think both of these ideas are really cool, but it's a shame they are limited time events which kind of force players hands. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts and feelings!

I feel like the general mindset part extends beyond the MMO genre too. There is simply too much information out there and it is too normalized to look up every bit of information before enjoying the content, taking away the exploration part of new systems or environments. Nowadays when people want to play a class, the first thing many do is look up builds for said class. It makes sense because those builds are better, but back when we didn't have that information we had many people running around with many different (albeit mostly terrible) builds of said class, making everything less uniform. New content is known before it is released, opinions are formed about said content based on watching a stream or video about the content without even trying it. I can see this happening even with the upcoming Elden Ring DLC, where many people are going to instantly look up a build to clear the content with and not even consider other stuff. Taking away from the exploration and excitement of finding a new weapon because its not part of the build you picked.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Very true! You can absolutely apply it to any game. I don't think it's something players should be marked down or penalised for either. We're all different. I just think the prevalence of it all is so grand, and a lot of people are so easy to say the magic and mystique is dead, but don't have the awareness to see that it's their mindset that may be contributing to this a little. This was a really good comment. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and thank you for watching!

Those times with everythjing before WOD was golden era times imo while others are saying WOTLK and Cata era those were too golden times

@edd_TV

21 күн бұрын

I’m currently on such a nostalgia trip with MoP Remix right now!

For me, it was definately friends dropping off that killed my interest. At the height of my time on wow, i would always see like 10-15 people ready to do stuff. By shadowlands, i couldnt even scrape people together to do dingeons. Wow was a social game for me, and as soon as it was no longer social, that was it.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I relate a lot. Some people have just moved on or fallen out of love with it. I enjoyed Dragonflight, but it was a real struggle for me playing it alone. The majority of the people I played with checked out around BFA and Shadowlands was the last thing that could have brought anybody back from the brink.

simply, younger, innocent, clueless 1- for younger ppl, every experience have more emotions and surprise envoling on this, because its the first time (You can't step into the same river twice) 2- Clueless ppl can enjoy things without needing to think things outside the game (your mind is focusing in enjoying, not worrying) 3- social aspect back in the day is important cause we dont have social media like those days ( game works as a GTA rp but with magic and orc in the past, also, works like a facebook but instead of a feed, its a world)

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

This comment is perfect. Really well said!

@flix1179

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV we change, not the game

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@flix1179 I think a bit of both, but we have definitely changed more!

@flix1179

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV yeah but its the same game in essence, what change is the goal we put in there, if today wow launch in the past, will be the same feeling as today, "the old good days", the days today is the good days tomorrow

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@flix1179 I agree. The game (and the day) is certainly what you make of it, and I think players can often be their own worst enemies without even realising it. I appreciate your engagement with the video and your stance on all of this. Knowledge is power!

I only play the game to be competitive and I love it.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That's fair enough! Whatever is fun to you! Competition breeds excellence.

I'm not having fun cause everyone is buying gold and bots are taking care about everything, there's just no point going and do stuff out there

@edd_TV

27 күн бұрын

I agree. The WoW token really spoiled a lot for me. I can understand its design to counter bots, but I just think being able to buy gold really ruins the integrity of the game. The economy got so crazy during WoD and was simply never addressed leaving the WoW token to be the ultimate 'solution', and it's a shame. I haven't had bad experiences with botting personally, but I know how profound it is and I can remember how crazy things were in BFA. It's just not something that is cracked down upon enough sadly.

People who say that modern WoW is too easy or easier than it used to be straight up don't know what they're talking about and have never played any actual end game progression content.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I agree. Mythic is harder than anything we have ever seen before. I wonder if perhaps they mean the way questing and the open world is now; you can do most stuff alone etc. You don't have the 'elite' quests anymore and so on.

They can still bounce back with Classic. While SOD seems to be going downhill? Private servers like Turtle WOW have proven that it can be done. Blizzard is missing out. Remix has been fun, But for some reason, Blizzard has no interest in it at all with a Vanilla Plus.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I think in time Classic+ could come. Turtle WoW seems to be making serious moves with it in that respect. I think maybe SoD is just getting an idea what the players like/dislike. I think we could see further seasons maybe as they continue to experiment. It’s hard to say. I'm going to try Remix soon! I'm looking forward to it.

RAGNAROK ONLINE MUSIC!!!!!!! This man is a true MMO player

@edd_TV

10 күн бұрын

I'm glad you recognised it! Thanks for watching!

@chronicalcultivation

10 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV it's the only game I've played as much as WoW lol Wish it had gained more attention in North America. Such a pleasant surprise to hear it in your video. I was brought here by Pyromancer, he just covered it on stream btw

@edd_TV

10 күн бұрын

@@chronicalcultivation I have so much love for RO! I was a Blacksmith! I used to love setting up my shop in Prontera and just chatting and meeting new people. Such timeless memories. Oh that's really kind of him! I hope it was enjoyed. Thank you for engaging with the video, I appreciate that!

I completely agree about people taking the game much too seriously and feeling like they MUST play the game in this gotta-go-fast efficiency-minded way, and that Mythic+ and high end raiding is all the game has to offer. I've thought about doing a video on this myself to remind people that you can play the game however you want and it has much more to offer than those things. I will say though that the game is far from perfect and Blizzard does encourage these behaviors themselves (for example, why does Chromie Time become unavailable the moment you hit 60? Let people play in whatever expansion they want!), and I hope it's something Blizzard addresses in the future, as the director has recently said that they hope to reach more casual and midcore players in the future.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Very much agree with everything you have said. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

My personal problem with WoW is how 99% of the content is irrelevant to the current 'patch'. I for one couldn't care less about 'balanced' classes in a pve focused game, yet for some reason 90% of the focus for the next expansion is changing the classes yet again. As someone who hasn't played WoW until Legion, I was looking forward to explroring old zones. I originally thought it would be akin to GW2, where everything you do contributes to your overall progression. You can imagine my disappointmment when I realized there's 0 reason to visit any of the old zones unless you're going after achievements. I would love to see a version of modern WoW where old content is somehow relevant in terms of progression. It would be an insanely difficult feat, but not impossible. Fated raids, Timewalking dungeons and the recent M+ addition of older dungeons are a great start, even though the devs are still so hesitant to change their 'seasonal content treadmill' philisophy. I would love to actually 'explore' WoW, but as it stands, the game doesn't provide any relevant reason to do so. But then again I might be in the minority...as players reportedly hate the concept of revisiting older content and are only keen on speedrunning the latest patch.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

I recommend you check out out my 'Island of Irrelevancy' video if you haven't seen it! I'm totally with you on this. It's such a damn shame that so much of the world gets left behind or becomes irrelevant because the game 'needs to focus on upcoming stuff.' It's something FFXIV has done so well, and I'm hopeful Blizzard can learn of it going forward with the likes of Delves and such. I can't imagine how it must feel for you if you started in Legion, and I really do empathise with you. I really love your thoughts and ideas. There is SO much more they could do with both Chromie Time and Timewalking; Timewalking really could do with a fresh coat of paint I think because there are some great possibilities there! I sadly do think we are the minority in this sense, but I'm totally with you and I know many more are too! Thank you for taking the time to watch this and sharing your thoughts and feelings. I resonated with your thoughts a lot.

@AlexandarJankovic

29 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV Thank you for your content! Just checked out the video you recommended because it sounded familiar and as it turns out, I have actually seen it when you first uploaded it. Spot on assessment!

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

@@AlexandarJankovic Thank you! I really appreciate your engagement and it's so nice to hear players share similar views and opinions. Like you say, we may be the minority but we do exist!

I started this game when it came out (still have my 10 year anniversary orc statue) and all I can say is it's too difficult now. It was easy and tedious back then, making it a simple time commitment and not a feat of ability. Now it's too fast-paced, too overcomplicated and not fun. No matter what I do on my ret paladin, I cannot reach the same numbers others do, even with better gear. It's just not fun for me to do any group content, since I'm always at the bottom of the meters. Raided in AQ and Naxx, but now I barely touch LFR. Hopefully delves help with this, as it seems like that kind of content is geared to me. I hate tryhards, kind of always have, and they've made the game for those people now. Hopefully it dials back somewhat. I don't want to play remade classic, have almost 20 years put into my retail characters, and I want to play them.

@edd_TV

23 күн бұрын

Very cool that you have that orc statue! I do agree with you. The game suffers dramatically from bloat and a desire to get things done as fast as possible. It's an ethos and philosophy that has seeped deeply into the community. It feels like Overwatch levels of speed in an MMORPG, and I just don't think an MMO should ever be that fast or be that competitive. MMO's are supposed to be comfy. I'm really hopeful for delves too; they look like a combination of Mythic+ and Torghast, I'm pretty hopeful they will be a lot of fun. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

I have fun on private server. Retail is expensive and bloated af

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

It's not something I would partake in personally, but I have read about the likes of Turtle WoW and such.

With the Cata Classic pre-patch the other day, I felt the specter of falling out of love again with WoW, and it did make me think back. I stopped playing, other than to hit level cap before the next expansion came out, in mid-Legion until Classic came out. TLDR: It's my fault and it's WoW's fault. Drama, less free time, two significant game design changes. A lot of the faults of my losing the thrill of retail are personal: a guildie passing away; guild drama with deciding to just take December off because we already knew two or more people would be missing each week; other parts of my life limiting the number of hours I could play (if I can't put in 2-3 hours at a time, minimum, it isn't worth spending any time). But there are parts that are WoW's fault, and it took the pre-patch to show me. There was a reason I never liked playing a warrior, rouge, or to a lesser degree a warlock back in the day: the builder/spender mechanic. Once I saw that Holy Power resource show up on my classic paladin I jumped to a shaman. And that made me realize just how much I hate that style of gameplay; it was almost instant PTSD. In retail Cata I stuck it out with the paladin, but was playing a shaman on the side, then in MoP I went full shaman and just kept the paladin leveled out of a sense of devotion (ironic). Then Legion gave the shaman Maelstorm, another builder/spender. The other part of WoW's game design that I never liked was Challenge Mode, which evolved into Mythic+. Time-attack modes in games were always my least favorite part of any game. I'd rather gather 10,000 resources than do 5 speedruns a night. So, I changed, and WoW changed. Sometimes relationships just aren't meant to last. Any yet, I still try to keep up on all the lore, thanks KZreadrs.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

Did you try Dragonflight? I think you are right. I think we could play the blame game with who or what changed, but ultimately a lot has changed - both the game and us. A lot of it simply comes down to identification. I'm so sorry to hear about your guild member passing away. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and being so candid about your experiences with the game. Your engagement with the video means a lot to me, so I appreciate that and thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

@WillDawg01

29 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV I was excited for Dragonflight... and haven't played a second of it. That is mainly because of real life, my daughter was born a few months before launch. Though I did level up to 60 during the pre-patch event, but still didn't like how my characters played. It's like meeting up with an ex after a few years just to confirm that while it can be nice to catch up, it was the right call to break up. WoW is still a part of my life, obviously, and I try to keep up with lore, but now it's WoW Classic for 2-4 hours on a Saturday night with my wife and friends just running dungeons and goofing off.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

@@WillDawg01 Congratulations on your daughter! That's a great analogy you used there too. It's nice that you're still able to get your WoW fix with Classic, however brief it may be. Thank you for being so open and sharing your experiences and feelings!

WoW is consuming a lot of time for too little reward. I work from 8:00 a.m to 4:00 p.m and i come to home at 6 p.m . I have 6-7 hours to spend in home and i can't waste it to farm one item in m+. Finding group takes around 25-30 mins as dps and 25 more minutes to complete the dungeon. I have to waste my 1 hour to get a item(prob i won't get the item i want and dungeon reward will be just 50 gold).It was okay for me when i was university student but now hell no. I can't spare my all night for 3-4 dungeons. This is why i quit playing wow.Now i am enjoying more casual games like helldivers 2.

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

I do think life has gotten in the way for a lot of players, but also like you say, it just may not be worth it to some players now anymore. I think you have made the right decision for yourself, and there are plenty of other games out there that you can enjoy if WoW doesn't tick that box anymore. I've heard good things about Helldivers 2! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

i get what you're saying, and to some degree yes we are all older and its harder to find that sense of exploration and mystique. but i still believe blizzard has just been pushing out terrible products. ow2, wc3 reforged, d4, shadowlands, forgettable dragonflight. som. they just suck at their jobs honestly, and we keep giving wow a chance because every mmorpg has been a fail in the past 10 years.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Oh no doubt about it. I think the products have been below par too in recent years. I can't speak for Overwatch personally, but Warcraft III reforged was a slap in the face. I was really disappointed with it. I trudged through BFA, but Shadowlands is ultimately what pushed me away from WoW for the longest time. I have no issues with Dragonflight personally aside from the story being a bit forgettable like you say, and just not very engaging. I think we keep giving WoW a chance because it's so important to us. We love it and we can be critical of it, not because we hate it, but because of how MUCH we love it and we want it to be great again. It's just important to understand that for some people they feel like they are in those glory days now, whereas some players feel they are truly over with. I would like to be hopeful with the Worldsoul Saga, but we'll honestly have to wait and see. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings!

The game has changed more. I did wonder at times if my memory of Vanilla was nostalgia but recently I gave Season of Discovery a go and right from the start the Vanilla game play model worked until some of the retail additions popped up and it was clear as day how the retail model ruined the game. All the problems you raise come down to poor game design and could be fixed if Blizzard wanted to, but the current model is about making money not a good game.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

It's definitely a bit of both for me. I had fun with my brief stint in SoD. I did Phase 1 and 2 and decided to call it a day. You are right. It's definitely more about this sort of battle-pass/seasonal/fomo approach to make money. I don't think people want the design of Classic WoW to change too much though as they feel that would ruin the spirit of the game.

I have fun

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

So do I. This video is in relation to those who don't have fun anymore and attempting to explore why that may be. I do state that many people still enjoy WoW more than ever right now. I recommend watching the video first, lol. Glad to hear you're enjoying it!

The game became a job instead of fun, as the system of gear became grind= reward with time. Now the time factor has been pushed so far right that the grind became work. Wow was the escape from work. So once one became the other well... I get paid from one and pay the other for actually nothing but pixels.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

This comment cuts deep. You speak a lot of truth. It's a bit of a blame game I think with the optimisation. The players started it and Blizzard drew on that. I think the job side of thing is tough. People obviously want to be the best they can be, but the price players had to pay to achieve this (From Legion to Shadowlands) was really gruelling.

Pog

Disagree if you change the developers you will change the game. It would be like seeing a tribute band to Led Zeppelin and then telling everyone you've seen the real Led Zeppelin. All of the of the game devs left around 2014 to 2015

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

That is very true, and that shows with both character development and the storytelling. It's definitely a factor for some players. It feels at times the developers don't understand the characters and there is a rapid change in tone. I still think it's important to acknowledge that growing up was a big part of the enjoyment experience though.

I'm having fun though

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

So am I. This video isn't targeted for every player. Many people enjoy it, as I state in the video! This video is designed to be thought-provoking and attempt to explain why some people may not enjoy it anymore. Glad to hear you're enjoying it!

Eh, can't relate. I play the game like 3 months each year and have a lot of fun. Its delusional to pay 12 months and hope every month is gonna give you satisfcation.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I agree. I think it depends on what interests you too and what you deem satisfying. We all get that dopamine hit in different ways. There is definitely plenty of fun to be had, but for 12 months consecutively? That might be a tall order for some, and there are so many other games out there too. Breaks are important.

surely M+ will be removed after AWW, right guys ? ...riight?

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I think it's in for life at this point, which I suppose I don't mind but at the same time I think it needs reinventing or needs to evolve. It's too focused around gear, and I'm not sure if that's just a me problem. I would like to want to do mythic+ but for other things: transmog, achievements, mounts etc. It would be nice if they could provide challenges on certain weeks for instance. It's such a core part of the replayability now, it's hard to imagine it gone.

@Hedidit

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV Oh for sure, I'm on copium here, I'm a minority that doesn't actually like how we are forced to farm mythic+ just so we can raid. funnily enough I was a big fan of challenge mode however, probably cuz of the reasons you listed, mount/mog/title and once you had done it, you were done.

@RobtheStampede

Ай бұрын

​@@Hedidit they've been forcing people to raid to get closure on story for 20 years. Turnabout is fair play

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@Hedidit It's strange because you don't even need to raid anymore with something like the creation catalyst now. You can just acquire gear from Mythic+ and convert that into tier pieces with the catalyst, which I feel really conflicted about. I think it's good for casuals to still be able to acquire 2/4set because it's so powerful for Mythic+ and such, but it seems quite damaging to raiding. Outside of the story, raiding to me was always about acquiring the tier set (and of course the community aspect of it all). Now it feels like the only real reason to do the raids is to get the really powerful trinkets you otherwise wouldn't be able to get. Maybe that's just the cynic in me. I agree with you on the challenge modes. They were a nice reward to shoot for but like most things, there was no desire/need to return to them after you had achieved what you wanted.

8:27 I defiled mine hated every moment of tbc classic.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that. I was very tempted to play it but I knew it was going to be a struggle.

But...I am having fun?

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Then this video won't apply to you in that sense! It's not a 'one size fits all' video. It's designed to explore reasons as to why some people don't enjoy it anymore. I recommend reading the description and watching it first, as I state that there are many many people still having fun, including me! Glad to hear that you're enjoying it.

From Conan to Crynan.

@edd_TV

27 күн бұрын

Haha! He oddly reminds me of Thor with his new look! Whilst a lot of people really do hate the whole 'cry baby Anduin', I'm really excited to see how he develops in The War Within. I hope it won't be too samey and if anything can be a bit more darker and serious.

The problem with wow is its been going on for so long that nothings new. In vanilla it was old god wotlk old gods mop cata bfa sl df and now the new expansion old gods zzzz.

@edd_TV

21 күн бұрын

I do think they need to get the Old Gods right after how poor BFA was, but I agree to some extent. It’s very stale/samey, but I think the worldsoul saga intends to wrap up almost everything a best it can, and then we'll see that new era of WoW ushered in, hopefully!

The game changed. Classic is still fun

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

It’s all still fun I think, it’s just all about your preferences and your goals. We all enjoy different things and I think it's really great that there are multiple versions of WoW now so people can just play their favourite.

That thumb nail is cheating 😂😂😂

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Haha, I think it's the perfect illustration of how some players feel about the game. Not all though! Some players love it now more than ever.

@user-gq5cn4eu3k

28 күн бұрын

lol are ya winning son?

I'm just here to be a rogue and stab people. As long as i can buy my pvp gear with points I get in pvp, i am happy.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Sometimes it's the little things! Glad to hear it.

Bald man?

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Maybe. We'll see.

It's not necessarily that WoW or gaming in general were better back then (they were), the issue is a product of the fact that gaming has become so mainstream and sweaty for lack of a better term. Looking up every detail about a game and having spreadsheets typed up before the game was even out used to be something only basement dwelling neckbeards did; everyone else just jumped into a new game and learned as they played.

@edd_TV

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, I agree. It's just the common rule of 'If players can do it, they will do it'. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it does feel quite tiresome.

The game used to be made for the players. Then a bunch of people got hired because they checked boxes and expressed very important opinions. Then Blizzard got outed for being degens, which opened the door for the activists who had been hired to take control. Now the game is being designed to please the activists who make and adversary so AGAINST the players. Just look at how many gratuitous and hamfisted gay side quests were added in Dragonflight. Romance was usually not highly focused upon prior to this, but in Shadowlands and Dragonflight a giant spotlight has been shown on it and almost all of it is gay. Because the game is designed to please the activist creators and frustrate the chud player base

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

Very brutal assessment but there is some truth there. It's a real shame that none of the original team members are around anymore, because I feel that character development has suffered dramatically. Some obviously had to go though, Afrasiabi etc. I feel that the current team just simply don't understand the characters at times, and a lot of people question if they even play the game, because some decisions can be so random and feel very left-field. I'm absolutely fine with the romance/emotive stuff personally. I feel if we can see that in TV shows and other video games, it definitely can have a place in WoW too. But you are right in the sense that we didn't see this kind of stuff 5-10 years ago. It was more of a heavy metal vibe. I recommend checking out my 'Mourned Identity' video if you haven't seen it. I think you will relate a lot to that. It's really tricky when the conversation becomes about agenda and tick boxes, but it's something that players feel is quite prevalent in recent years. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and feelings.

This seems like cope. I still enjoy Classic Era and Classic on private servers such as Turtle wow. The game and audience changed with it, it's no longer an RPG. Season of Discovery also proves the retail mentality in the game. I think it needs a total reset ala World of Warcraft 2, a game where addons are bannable and keeping the woke stuff/awful lore away from the game (The last point is virtually impossible with Nu-Blizzard).

@edd_TV

29 күн бұрын

I'm not sure if cope is the right word. A lot of people still enjoy various versions of WoW. The video is designed to just explore why certain players don't enjoy it anymore. It doesn't reflect my views on the game. I still enjoy retail (although I did have issues with Dragonflight's story) and I've played Classic/SoD too and had fun with those. The game has absolutely changed and I agree that the RPG elements have been swept aside. I agree with your thoughts on SoD and a WoW 2 seems inevitable. I think it will hinge on how well the Worldsoul Saga performs. I definitely stand with you in the camp of banning addons at this point. The 'woke' stuff is a difficult conversation because of the world we live in today. I talk about this in another video of mine 'The Mourned Identity' if you're interested in checking that out. WoW used to be this sort of 'heavy metal' MMO and it feels like its lost that. I have no issues with emotion in WoW or being made to feel something, but I do understand where you're coming from and I know you're not alone with these thoughts. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings!

@andrewjackson7511

28 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV Thanks for the kind response! :) In terms of what I mean by woke I do not mean that I can't feel emotion or that quests should be emotionless. What I mean is that World of Warcraft (like many other games) used to be an escape from the real world, now you are reminded by it. And modern sensibilities change all the time. One particular thing is that classic at times is more woke than modern retail. While a trans character in Shadowlands shows that the creators "think correctly" but it does not say anything truly political. It is lip-service. In Classic the Defias storyline is quite captivating. A union striking that threatens the status quoe in the city. I think that World of Warcraft, retail atleast. Is no longer made for me. A shame really since I played up until WoD basically.

@edd_TV

28 күн бұрын

@@andrewjackson7511 You're welcome. I appreciate your engagement! You make some very good points with both realism and storylines such as the Defias. I think the Defias storyline is really memorable and slept on! It's very difficult to know who WoW is for these days. A lot of people suggest they are just checking boxes for their agendas and it's more of a machine these days than something authentic. I think The War Within will hopefully provide a lot of answers on this but lip-service is a very strong and valid phrase! I think WoD is a good example to look back on, when you compare what the basis of WoD was and where we're at today, and just how much the tone and narrative has changed. It speaks volumes.

I'm going to be real. I'm a story person. I think the game isn't fun to people because the combat is dated and sucks now, and I think most wow killers died. Because they copy Wows dated combat. Just to give example. Look at destiny, for a third person game. Their are tons of good 3d person rpgs. In dragon flight. People where flipping out over holding a button for a spell. Bitch! That's in Minecraft! Your telling Wow just got that! Also I think new content is added in a bad way. Like playing as a goblin shouldn't be made to be linked to Classic. Also you have the dated story telling, and Reforged being bad fucked them. Btw Asmon says that raids are to punishing and they need more players. I assume you agree with that. Btw I think you should have Single play, Normal, and Hard.

@edd_TV

7 күн бұрын

I still think WoW's combat is probably better than any other MMORPG, it's a real selling point I think. Blizzard have always been known for 'copying' other MMO's too and essentially making better products. Everybody talks about how they 'stole' Dragonriding from Guild Wars 2 etc. I do agree with pretty much everything you say here, and yeah I think Mythic is too much in regards to how hard it is and needing static 20 players. I would never raid Mythic again personally, not unless they introduced a 10 man version of it.

@Hot_SpicyGrill

7 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV i tried the free tial during bfa. I started as a dwarf ranger and then a undead warlock. I started with a dwarf and was just standing bored. Then I switched to undead. Still bored. A goblin on a motorcycle passed me by, and it gave me an existential crisis, and I closed the game. The thing is wow isn’t competing with mmos anymore. They’re competing to Fortnight.

@edd_TV

7 күн бұрын

@@Hot_SpicyGrill The tone definitely has shifted quite a lot in recent times. I'm not sure who WoW are competing with or if that's something they even think about anymore. Most people would just compare them to Disney at this stage I think.

@Hot_SpicyGrill

6 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV Oh I forgot to connect those ideas. Sorry. Multiplayer games and there technolgy have gotten so much better. That the line between a MMO and Multiplayer game is extremally thin and no longer maters to most players. Now Plunder storm looked pretty dope. So we could see combat over haul. I mean why play Wow when you could play on a Minecraft sever.

your wrong if blizzard were to just add new content to kalimdor and eastern lands it would be exactly like the good old days, only reason we cant feel those things again is because we have already done it and there endless access to knowledge on it. ive never played wow with others as im a ghetto emo outsider whos not usually accepted by nerds even tho i fw them. ive been playing since 2006 and im a full time stay at home parent now. i make money at home, alot of the week i can spend 14 hours a day if i want so it cant be that. the loss of adventure is lost because wow went woke and is holding a thousand different prnouns for itself. wow doesnt know what it wants to be. its very open to new ideas. where as the wow we knew was already balls deep in lore and gave it a certain vibe. if they would just add new quests, raids, and player homes to regular azeroth, and worked on the places we care about instead of adding somthing new everytime we would still be able to get that feeling. im so tired of seeing these videos . dragonflight is probably best modern expansion right next to leigon, but i could see leigon matching the lore, art style, armor themes, weapon themse making since in wow, dragonflight seems straight from another game, literally feels like guild wars 2..

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

It’s all subjective, not everybody is going to feel this way. It’s more exploring why people MAY feel this way. It’s possible Classic+ could provide that experience, but not for everybody. There is no right or wrong on this because everybody is different and digests content differently. It’s lifestyle and mentality that is the most important. You are also proving my point a little by wanting new content in the older world. It’s that nostalgia and attachment. There is nothing wrong with modern WoWs zones or continents. It just doesn’t hold up to your memories and experiences of the past. I do agree with you that the dragon riding was taken from guild wars 2, but I would say it was arguably dragonflights biggest win. I think you speak a lot of truth when you say that WoW isn't sure what it wants to be anymore either. It's felt like it has been transitioning for a while now, but hopefully The War Within and Worldsoul Saga will cement that.

@deeznutssz0

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV no not even classic plus just base the content around the regular game and stop risking a hit or miss making it an entirely different game everytime, we know what does and doesnt work and we should build off that, and i wasnt even talking about the dragon riding bro your just stating stuff off every video people have said on youtube, the entire artstyle of dragonflight looks like it was ripped straight from guild wars 2 down to the enviornment your walking in. im making a classic plus with an alternate time line right now they would never do that but the could continue where it left off, mmorpg is almost a dead genre i feel like its time to be preserved for true mmo fans instead of making it great for people who play it for 20 minutes and drop it, and at this point paying 80$ for every preorder and 15 a month is insane considering one day servers will shut down and all your stuff will go bye bye, which is actually why i made my own server. i no longer support modern blizzard in anyway. and ill never pay for world of warcraft again, and ever since i made my own server and expansion ive been having the time to explore without a sub, and ive been getting those feelings from when i was a kid, im not wrong, people tried it every was aside from the way im speaking of and any private server who did these ideas where almost more popular at times then retail.. im so tired of the my truth bs, its not speculative what works and what doesnt work is just that simple 2+2=4 kinda simple, if it doesnt work stop using the same method, they pull on nostolgia somtimes with certain features making some expansions a bit better than other, and dragonflight was real first gameplay enhancement in any expansion. honestly it doesnt need to have any gameplay or mechanics changed, that would be completely pointless and at that point we should be looking at world of warcraft unreal engine 5/6

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

@@deeznutssz0 It's preference though, right? And they can't please everybody, and that's why WoW is now splintered, so it can attempt to cater to players who love Classic and love Retail. Of course you're going to have the feelings from when you were a kid because you're playing the game you played when you WERE a kid. It doesn't matter whether you do that on Blizzard's servers or a server of your own. The nostalgia hooks you regardless and that's what I'm trying to convey in this video. The idea of WoW expansions are that they expand the game, and that is naturally going to mean new continents and zones. The world (lorewise) is too big to just remain Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. The interesting part is, they will rework those zones (and Northrend) for the Worldsoul Saga. I think if your mentality is that 'this is all going to be for nothing' then you shouldn't play or do anything. This is a pretty morbid take, but we're all going to die one day, so by that meaning life is futile. It's all about doing what makes us happy and if the game doesn't make you happy anymore, that's fair enough, but you're going to lose everything one day. So just do the things you enjoy while you're here!

@deeznutssz0

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV bro, the goal isnt to please everyone..the goal is to please fans of wow..people who are going to keep giving away more than 200$ every 8 -12 months.. things are so backwords.. you should really look into this new petitionw e all gonna sign for the sake of gaming, cause the people thinking stuff like this is okay is why it happens..

@deeznutssz0

Ай бұрын

@@edd_TV na man i see what your saying but with the cost of the game, and the amount of effort and time it takes to play, you have to spend a third of your life doing that shit.. im able to play and enjoy the game fine now because i dont have to commit to money/sub. also i wouldnt mind playing retail if they did things like make iron man hardcore mode free to play. i dont ever feel like i get my moneys worth from wow. its not just me that feels this way. its not just you that feels your way either because ive seen at least 5 different tubers make this exact video...

Story has become too agenda driven by modern "ideologies"

@edd_TV

25 күн бұрын

It's a very tricky subject, but there is definitely a careful discussion to be had about it. I know the story of Dragonflight and the way WoW is perceived generally in recent times has upset a lot of players. I talk about it a lot in my 'Mourned Identity' video if you're interested in checking that out; how Warcraft has gone from being the 'heavy metal' of MMO's to what it is now.

@Dryzual

25 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV Its amazing we have to tip toe around it carefully lest we be silenced and censored into oblivion.

@edd_TV

25 күн бұрын

​@@DryzualThese are the times we're living in, yeah. I often draw from Disney and Star Wars when it comes to agendas; as a die hard Star Wars fan I was furious with what they did with the sequels. I had no problem with Rey as a female lead, but it was the character development (or lack of it) that really did it in for me. I think it's all about execution. There is nothing wrong with gay questlines/characters in WoW or whatever but a lot of people think it's excessive. I think for me the question is: why are we seeing all of this now? Whether that be gay characters or romance in the cutscenes etc. There's nothing wrong with any of it, but it's suddenly appeared in abundance which leads believe to believe they are just box ticking at this point, and that steers them away from the game.

@Dryzual

24 күн бұрын

@@edd_TV The future kzread.info/dash/bejne/faursJekp82npLQ.html

@edd_TV

24 күн бұрын

@@Dryzual I forgot about this

Blizzard didn't optimize the fun out of the game players did. Nostalgia and being children definitely affected why people used to have fun and now don't. But you also have to consider the competition. The new generation of gamers isn't getting raised on these slow grindy games like MMOs they're playing mainly survival games orr extraction shooters games or battle royale games. The type of slow exploration gameplay style has fallen heavily out favor. You mentioned veterans knowing what we can expect for The War Within. Of course we do. The games been out 20 years. They've changed classes multiple times, they just revamped professions, they even revamped the leveling and flight systems recently. All that said, the actual core gameplay can't be expected to be changed. People play wow for wow, whether that's raiding with their friends or doing world quests in a cutesy cartoon game and collecting mountains of cosmetics. If blizzard just decided to upend their formula for success they'd fail. And that's what all modern games are, formulaic. You might not understand the formula or algorithm but they all have one if you want to optimize the fun out. This commentary piece could have been about 4 mins shorter without losing relevant points, you said kids played for 10-12 hours a day like that was a regular occurrence after school, all of your points circle around the three points commonly beat to death ( nostalgia for classic, gamers too focused on going fast for endgame, game is predictable based on expacs adding zones dungeons raids). I'd give your piece here a 3/10.

@edd_TV

Ай бұрын

I wasn’t expecting a grade lol, but thanks for watching all the same. I’m not expecting nor asking for the core gameplay to change. I have no problems with the way World of Warcraft is. The video is designed to explain why some people may have fallen out of love with it and attempts to explore why that may be. It doesn't apply to everybody and by no means is the silver bullet or means I'm right. This video doesn’t necessarily reflect my views either, which is pretty obvious I would say.

Some? MOST!

@edd_TV

24 күн бұрын

I think there is definitely still fun to be had, but it can be quite challenging for a lot of players for various reasons.

Im sorry, how dare you tell me what i love most about the game still exists? IS LEVELING TAKING A YEAR? NO? Then im sorry but being max level takes a week and is literally meaningless.

@edd_TV

24 күн бұрын

I think that's an unrealistic expectation given the direction and format of the game. Levelling will never be a long process again because of an expansion's features and Blizzard wanting people to participate in it, but you can still enjoy questing and levelling in any of the zones regardless of experience gains/increases. It all still exists. It's how you choose to perceive it and what you are expecting in return from it. If all you care is is experience gains then that's all questing is going to be for you.

we are getting old bros, thats the main problem we are getting old.

@edd_TV

25 күн бұрын

We really are. It's a big part of it, for sure! I'd never sit here and deny that WoW hasn't changed because it clearly has, but our growth, mindset and goals are also responsible for the way we view the game now too.