Mike, thank you. You're an absolute godsend. I recently discovered your channel and I just want to say that while I consider myself reasonably tech savvy, I love the way that you portray and deliver information in such a clear and concise way, no fluff. Keep doing what you do!

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

thanks William Faucher, very encouraging feedback.

Loving your content! It’s nice to see more stuff about PCs that aren‘t about gaming

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching. Send a link to all your friends......

@maxhughes5687

3 жыл бұрын

I'm in a gang of one. I call it all purpose PCs. Onward and upward. I get 7nm, 60 CU, HBM2, 128 cpu GEN4 lanes, GEN4 NVMe drives and 8 channel ram, I'm never going backwards.

Almost finished with my visual arts degree. I was mind blown when I started to look at the cost of a workstation vs. my gaming PC.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

with the cost of GPUs in the open market, prebuild workstation is not a bad choice right now.

@KiraSlith

Жыл бұрын

You're not going to run into the limitations of a "gaming rig" he mentions unless you're running some obscene workload like hours of 8k footage in a timeline, or long 3D animated movies with ray traced lighting and hair physics simulations. You can get up to 128gb of 3200mhz DDR4 into most "gaming computers", those 16 lanes dedicated to card slots are switched between slots depending on your config (and aren't shared with NVMe unless you go beyond the top slot), and the only GPU to utilize all 16 lanes at PCIe 4.0 is the RTX 4090, a GPU you wouldn't want to cram a second one of into any tower anyway. You won't need more than gigabit networking either unless you're working from some form of network attached storage and need to maximize bandwidth. If you DO need all that, consider the used market for the core rig. Sure the per-core of 3rd generation Xeon Scalable CPUs like a pair of Xeon Silver 4114s isn't as good as the Threadripper 2990WX, but you're still getting the same features within the same ballpark of performance for less than just the Threadripper CPU by itself.

I had so many questions before watching this video and after the video, I got all the answers. Thx for putting this together.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Glade I could halp out Mark Lapasa thank for watching

Thank you for that explanation!!

Helpful through experience ! Thanks a lot !

The best explanation i have ever heard about Desktop and Workstation -

@mikebrown9826

7 ай бұрын

thanks

Way over my head lol, but I did get the overview answer I was looking for. Well done, thanks,..

Great contents! Love it! Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

thank you sir.

second vid ive been recommend and im enjoying the content. You have sold this channel to me with out clickbait which is rare to find on youtube thank you for streamlining the information.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Birdie1991, thanks for watching. I could use some click bait to help grow the channel, but its moving slowly and at 150K views across the entire channel. I am still happy I could help so many people.

Great video! Love your channel 😄

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

thanks Paly

*Nice and clean comparison* 👍 *Can you make a benchmark/review for EPYC series* ?

Oh thank you sir, very well explained

Sir thank you for your in depth explanation, this old timer learned something new today. You gained a subscriber here. Best regards and stay safe.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Luis, thanks for watching.

Very Incredible video!

@mikebrown9826

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support.

Your channel will grow fast soon. Great content.

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the kind works. send all your friends a link,

@worthapost

3 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices sure

Thank you very much ❤️

Good video - Thanks..

Great content!

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

thanks Wilison. I will release a new video on rendering with dual GPUs later today. Please watch and share on your Facebook.

That Threadripper build is pretty awesome! My 5950x and 5700xt does OK with my 3D art and video editing.

It amazing how educated we've all had to become regarding technology/computers. Youre average guy (or guyess) who hasnt even been to college/university to study i.t mostly likely has a huge (relatively) amount knowledge on the subject.

Can you do a review on the EK Fluid Works workstation?

Workstations also usually have components that have greater endurance than regular consumer ones (for situations when they’re rendering for days on end) and come with better support options like next-day onsite warranty options

Woa😲....can't believe I almost dropped similar coin for a "top notch" gaming laptop that's totally outclassed by this thinkstation... you saved me. Big time. Thank you

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

I tell people all the time don't use Laptops unless your a mobile artist that is moving around everyday. They are way less power than a workstation/Desktop system. Even if they are marketed as the same specs. As an example, a mobel RTX3080 is not the same as a RTX3080 discrete GPU. There is not as much power/wattage in the laptop to feed the GPU and CPU to get the full performance. Check the fine print when buying. Thanks for watching and don't forget to share on your FB. Check out my new video on rendering with two GPUs in Blender. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mnagrpSTdrW9o6w.html

Man this channel is what I was looking for for a long time probably the only channel of it's kind on KZread nobody does workstation PC stuff mainly I appreciate it sir.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

thank you G

Thanks for sharing your experience. Cool vid.... I have an idea for a part 2 of your video. Before I share that idea.... I do want to thank you for reconfirming that my desktop approach is more than enough for what I do. At the same time, here is the idea.... I think there are 3 items that were not covered in this video that would be a great part 2..... I just received the dreaded email from Microsoft that my computer is too old and is not compatible with Windows 11. Although the good news is that Windows 10 is supported through 2025, I still need to buy a new computer. It is actually a pretty strong computer with 3.7ghz CPU, 4 cores, 32 GB ram, etc. More than enough for what I do. 1) Idea#1 - You did a great job of describing the differences between the workstation and desktop and the upgrade/scalable path for each, but what happens when Microsoft says in 10 years that your motherboard is not compatible with Windows 12? Is that motherboard upgradeable or universal or swappable or rated to compatible for 20 years? 2) Idea#2 - Is the motherboard swappable for a current motherboard? And if so, how easy is it to do that swap? That is some major investment to upgrade the internal components and add all of those hard drives over 10 years just to say buy a new workstation when it is not compatible with the new operating system. My assumption is that the person would just end up buying a new workstation and then gutting the original system for the components that can be transferred to the new workstation. 3) Idea#3 - I just figured that all of those internal components will generate their fair share of heat....... So it was cool that you mentioned your concerns about the power supply, but if you opt to do a second video, you should consider discussing in more detail if the system uses air cooling or liquid cooling or some new innovative technology to accommodate all the heat generated from all of those component upgrades and add-ons. In either case, cool vid. I think this is likely my 3rd or 4th time watching it in its entirety. I am not that technologically advance so I have to keep getting refreshers on why I am not investing in a workstation. lol.... In either case, have a wonderful day.

If you have the money, ALWAYS go for a Non Integrated Heavy GPU Workstation. They’ll never disappoint. Even for Gaming.

I will be building a workstation PC... As for now I will work with what I have. A Threadripper is on the menu in the nearest future...

I would add that prebuild workstations have proprietary parts which makes it much harder to replace parts since they are locked into the vendor e.g. quite often the power supply. For companies with support contract that doesn't directly matter but I think it allows the vendors to push for their expensive prices rather than cheaper standard components. Workstations can also be build without a third-party vendor.

@chiluditospro2

Ай бұрын

Hey man, I was just thinking about thits, I want to build c workstation. Do you know any websites/companies who akllow you to build your own stuff? Like, they give you way more options to choose from

Which model corsair case in glasse Thx ?

If I want to build my own work station, could you give me best specs with suggest company name to buy the computer parts

Is it true about the leak of the rtx4000 series coming out in October? Good video btw thank you for the clarification. I'm looking to upgrade I'm not sure to wait or buy. I need something for animation 3d but I also use Kontakt and best instruments a lot for music creation. Any thoughts? I would gladly appreciate it.

@subrodiproy7789

Жыл бұрын

well yes, it might delay or maybe come earlier too! but the 4000 series is coming this or next year!

Exactly what i needed Will you consider a video about building a threadripper pro pc?

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

yes, i would and will. I am looking at the ASUS WS WRX80E Sage wifi motherboard build, but need to get ASUS to loan me the equipment first.......

@nguyenbui90

3 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices great. I want to build one but all retailers here in tokyo refuse to build a threadripper pro for me. And i don’t want a workstation with a quadro on it :))

@maxhughes5687

3 жыл бұрын

@@nguyenbui90 In the US the TR Pro and the Asus WRX80E are one of very few items that are available at list price.

@sinnombre5466

2 жыл бұрын

@@nguyenbui90 why not quadro?

Well said 😆

I always wanted a youtube channel where these kind of stuff would be explained. Thanks for creating this channel and giving us these useful information. I do product rendering and animations is it ideal to have 2 RTX 4090 or 3090 on x570 motherboard? I'm using aorus x570 pro wifi with Ryzen 9 3900x. how much faster would be my renders than my current 2080 super? is it worth getting 2 4090 or 3090 or just get 1 of them to make my pc faster? Btw I use Octane renderer for almost all of my projects. Thanks

@MediamanStudioServices

11 ай бұрын

Hi Fahim618, if you use Octane, it works well with multiple GPUs. This issue with using two GPU in a x570 is the PCIe lanes are reduced to 8x for each GPU. This does not affect the render as much as it does, say game play. But there is a reduction in PCIe bandwidth. But the main issue is getting the GPU to fit on the motherboard and cooling. If you have room to space the GPUs and supply enough airflow, then get two GPUs. But one 4090 will provide 3-5x times more render power than your current 2080. Thanks for watching.

@fahim618

11 ай бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices thanks a lot for your reply 😍

Can you do a 32gn vs 64gb ram comparison in blender, Davinci resolve etc. Please

Very impressive workstation, but what would it cost?

Can I change workstation in desktop

What tower is that desktop

Regular KZreadrs can get away with 5600x and 3060 or a2000 and 32gb of ddr4 ram that should do 4k editing really well and do 1080p fusion animation np

GREAT GREAT VID!!!! I was going to buy an HP z640, z840 or a custom machine because I'm just so used to my HP xw9400 (a dual cpu system). I am stuck on should I get a single or dual processor. I'm a photographer and graphic designer who uses 3Ds, Maya, and a bunch of the Adobe Creative Cloud applications. Do I even need dual processors for After Effects and small animations?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Simple answer is to get a Threadripper pro system. you can get up to 64 cores. But the best system to get is the 32 core TR-Pro for its higher clock speeds and a shit load of CPU cores for AF and animation workflows

@zephronic1062

2 жыл бұрын

not sure if u mean dual core or 2 separate processors (I might be the dumb one here) but you should probably get at least quad core at the bare minimum. 6 or higher would be recommended

@mikebrown9826

2 жыл бұрын

@@zephronic1062 hope it's more that dual core. Need as many cores as we can get for content creator

@constantinosschinas4503

Жыл бұрын

For After Effects CPU render with heavy scenes you will need maxxxxxxxed out RAM. At least 4GB per thread. Otherwise adding more cores will end up making your rendering speed much, much slower. Believe it or not.

P620 is not to hot?🤔 Thanks

we can get a test video with blender and the p620 ?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Babacar Toure, check out the other videos on my channel as the P620 is my main testing system.

Does switching out or adding a GPU to the workstation improve gaming FPS? Curious how this would do for work with a bit of first person shooter games on the side

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

only some Games use SLI so if you just add the second card and it is not connected vis Nvlink/SLI, then no improvement to FPS

@viperdemonz-jenkins

Жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices when did Pop ask about SLI? your response tell me you do not know much at all about computers.

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

No. I tested this. It actually makes the FPS slightly slower. But it does double the speed of things like Blender.

@pop2522

Жыл бұрын

That's ok guys I went in a different direction. Thanks for the help!

I love that a bunch of threadripper & Ryzen CPUs and a few copies of 3ds Max are laying around 😆 also that video thumbnail was gold 👌

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Again. Thanks G

I wanted your opinion on something. I have a P620 with the 16 core processor as well. I have 64 gigs of ram 4x 16GB sticks directly from Lenovo. I want to go to 8 channels and 128GB but that ram for Lenovo, although on a slight sale from time to time is still very expensive. Amazon had some compatible 16GB modules from NVTEK that meet the specs. I asked them whether their memory worked in the P620 and this is what they said: "Hello, Yes its compatible, but it is recommended by Lenovo not to mix other modules when installing a kit." So the question is: Has this been your experience as well? The memory is half the price!

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

well that's a hard question to answer. in the past I mix RAM all the time. but with faster RAM speeds, it has become more important to match the RAM specs and timing. So I would recommend that you use CPU-Z app to check your RAM specs and make sure your vendor can supply the same specs/timings, if you are going to purchase non Lenovo supplied RAM

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

also make sure you Match the same RAM in the same memory channels

@webdesign6776

3 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices Thanks for these tips!

@MediamanStudioServices

3 жыл бұрын

@@webdesign6776 Hey web design, can you make me a web site for the mediaman studio channel?

@webdesign6776

3 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices yes contact me via contact for at WeBuildWebsites.ca

most small to medium size enterprise doesn't need super high powered server. :( my previous company had 7 production lines running 24x7 with MES and HMI but didn't even have dedicated gpu. They only used med-grade xeon with 24 cores and 32gb ram and 4tb hdd. I suppose, high powered workstations are more for company that does a lot of video editing or cad works. even then, they most likely give out individual high powered desktop. maybe high level big tech company will use high powered workstation but as for rest of us small frays.. we are good with desktop. :(

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John, thanks for your comments Please keep watching the channel.

Is a pro wx 9100 worth keeping

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

yes it is, not as fast as the current lineup of GPUs but still have enough Vran and power to make compelling content. Good luck. Thanks again! Please share on your FB to help the channel grow.

If I put 2rtx 3080 with my 3950x it will not scale 100 percent??

@SriramaBhamidipati

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is possible with nvlink but with 3090

It is the cost! Usually 3-4 times more expensive for a workstation.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Harry, currently I can get a Lenovo 12 core P620 for about the same price as the 5900x desktop system. So the two systems in the video are around the same price. thanks for watching

@bluebell2334

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServicesIs the gaming performance of them comparable?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluebell2334 sorry, I do not really do gaming benchmarks, but check out Hardware unboxed channel as i think they did comparisons.

@cliffberry

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluebell2334 Threadripper is adequate for gaming but just keep in mind it will be slower that enthusiast builds on Ryzen because single threaded speed is slower than its consumer counter part. Not that its not acceptable but its not the best. It can introduce a slight bottle neck but its not as noticeable if you are playing above 1440p.

Imagine maxing out the workstation only to play Minecraft with 4k shaders

how are the thermals on that workstation i wonder. not much room for the fans to get cool air. and i know the 3080 is power hungry. its nice to get a pro animator's take on the needs on both use cases.

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

It is actually pretty good. I have two of them. GPU temperature on my 3080Ti rarely goes above about 55°C. On my other machine, the 3060Ti which is idle because the computer is currently doing a CPU-heavy workload, it is currently 40°C. Room temperature is 29°C. The front panel is pretty much entirely ventilation holes.

@thedailyracecar2064

Жыл бұрын

@@katrinabryce so u have 4 gpu's 2 in each pc?

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailyracecar2064 Currently, one has a GTX 3080Ti, the other has a GT730 + a GTX 3060Ti passed through to a virtual machine. I tried the 3080Ti & 3060Ti in the same computer to see what would happen. Before I did the stuff to pass through the 3060Ti to the VM, the hypervisor host could see both the ancient GT730 suitable only for providing display-out and the actually decent 3060Ti. Nether worked properly because there isn't a version of the Nvidia drivers that works with both.

@thedailyracecar2064

Жыл бұрын

@@katrinabryce ahh, yea my original comment mentioned thermals specifically due to them being together in the same pc and with them being so close and not allowing airflow. moreover in a high workload system with out much space left in the case for air travel. while ur scenario makes sense it doesnt really answer my question at all.

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailyracecar2064 As I said, I did try the 3080Ti and 3060Ti in the same computer for a while. There was absolutely no problems with thermals, just that most of the stuff I do on it was exactly the same speed as having the 3080Ti on its own, and some things were slightly slower. Blender was a lot faster, but I don't actually use it for anything other than benchmarking.

This threadripper is for rich workstations. For us Athlon 3000 g is sufficient nu

That P620 you are showing doesn't look like you could get two more GPU's in there and as for RAM , I can't see any bigger than 32GB RAM sticks anywhere so you'd sure have a big pile of RAM sticks back there ! Where would they go ?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

ya the P620 does not have a lot of space in the case to fit more than 2 GPUs, but there is 8 ram slots. See 6:27 of the video. thanks for watching

@katrinabryce

Жыл бұрын

If you look hard enough, you will find 64GB sticks for about €1,000 each, and 128GB sticks for about €8,000 each. Obviously they are silly money at the moment, but in a few years time they will come down in price.

It is a shame that you didn't cover the in between option. The non Pro Threadripper. I feel that it is the better option for a 3d artist that wants a workstation at home that is very capable for modeling, animation and rendering. My Threadripper trx40 build can take up to 256gb ram, a 64 core CPU, quad gpu's etc for a lot less than the Pro models cost.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Matthew, I totally agree with you, The TRX40 platform is almost the same as the TR-Pro but with less memory and PCIe lanes, and is classified as a workstation system. so that is why i did not touch on this topic too much in my video. I did mention the TRX40 in my video at 5:30 . I can't cover all of the systems in one video, it would be too long and no one would watch it...... But you have given me a idea for a new video TR vs TR-pro. thanks But it is unclear if AMD will continue to offer the TR in the next release of there CPUs. We will need to wait and see in the next month or so when they announce the Gen3 TR CPUs. They may only offer the TR-pro CPU. Thanks for watching

@3drocket

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices I can't imagine AMD dropping the TRX40 after only one generation. Lisa Su said that they would support the platform for multiple generations when they introduced the TRX40. I do understand that they will eventually need to move on for ddr5 and pcie 5 but I believe that is still a year or two away because they are not being pushed by Intel.

@beebeedeluxe

Жыл бұрын

@@3drocket sadly this assumption didn’t play out :(

The Problem I personaly have with TR Systems, is the much slower single core power. C4d needs single core power. So if you are an animator TR systems are not the best choice.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Planet_Motion, I agree with you totally. As I mentioned in the video, if your an animator. You should be using a Ryzen 5600 as you do not need cores. As as far as Much slower. the 12 core TR is clocked at 3.8ghz so that is not much slower. But is is slower. thanks for watching

Time is money in producation

Hi , i am trying to get a more powerful computer for my Blender rendering for a film. i know previously stated in the videos you recommend the P620 but we also want to instal our 2 3080's in it. need some help building this p620 harambeaknuckle - Today at 6:59 PM ^^Machine would be used for fluid sims/environment builds for film comping. We have hit the ceiling of what 1 3080 can do 🙂

@mikebrown9826

2 жыл бұрын

I do really like the P620, but for two things. The power supply is only 1000watts, and the available space to I stall GPUs. It is a little hard to fit two thick GPUs in the case. You can do it. But it does not leave much room for airflow. The 1000 watts should be enough power but you at at the top limit of what is required. The ASUS, sage wrx80 motherboard is a better choice for multi GPU system

@MASTECH91

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikebrown9826 this is extremely helpful thanks mike, yeah seems we have maxed out potential on our single 3080 so we want to double up and cut some render time in half. I see a thread ripper would be needed for this guy as well.

@mikebrown9826

2 жыл бұрын

@@MASTECH91 or you could buy render time on a cloud service. My company offers this service?

@MASTECH91

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikebrown9826 we have looked into something like that but they require a base of 260 dollars in credits, would only need it for a couple hours .

Workstation is designed to work weeks nonstop and have redundant resources like cooling psu better ssd etc

@MediamanStudioServices

11 ай бұрын

and you are saying a desktop can not run for weeks at a time. I run my ryzen 5900x 24/7 for weeks at a time and have never had any issues. And my desktop has better cooling than any workstation I have ever seen.

@Teluric2

11 ай бұрын

​@@MediamanStudioServicesAs far as I know running a pc for sustained load call for enterprise ssd. Have you used abacus nasys ? What workloads do you run ?

@KeikoFXDesigns

20 күн бұрын

@@Teluric2 He's a Film and CGI artist.

Is a workstation or a gaming pc better for unreal engine 5 and blender software ?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

they are both good, it depends on what hardware you want to install into the system

@aniketanand7848

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices thanks for replying

@coffeehousephilosopher7936

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices I have a first gen threadripper as my first build... mainly for virtualization purposes. I'm waiting on the market to allow me to upgrade my gpu.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@coffeehousephilosopher7936 they are still good systems. Getting a new GPU would help

You mentioned that there is a ceiling on how many CPU cores that a desktop can have given it's socket. Correct me if im wrong however I do not believe that to be true at all. The maximum cores on 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen were 8 cores and that was doubled to 16 starting with 3rd gen Ryzen. They are all on the same AM4 socket and the motherboards (depending on the vendor) allow you to swap the CPUs without needing to buy a new motherboard.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi T1E6X1, yes everything you have stated is correct, but this is the last gen of CPUs for the AM4 socket so the current CPU core limit is 16 cores with the Ryzen 9, 5950x. I problem is that this is the last CPU that will be released for this AM4 socket. There is a small refresh due in Jan 2022, but it will still be capped at 16 cores. this is what I was stating in my video for Desktop having a limit for cores on a AM4 socket. The AM5 socket and the Ryzen zen 5 CPUs maybe 16 or 18 cores but there is not information released for the next gen CPU as of yet.

I wonder how it does in 24/7 rendering in that tight case, few fans and low airflow.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Vitalis, I agree that the case is limited to the amount of Fans, but this does not mean low airflow. I have rendered for over 24hrs on the system and it never got passed 95 degrees on the CPU and 90 degrees on the GPU. So the case is not have the best thermails, but it does not reduce the performance. This Fans are just loud when they ramp up to full speed. But more air flow is always better but there is overkill in some systems. Like my desktop system that have 9 case fans. It is quite but do I need all the fans to keep the system cool. No not really. but it looks nice with all that RGB lighting...... Thanks for watching

the one thing I don't understand is why they did not make the chassis bigger and roomier . Why do they insist on giving so many options for such a tight space . It's almost like the car you can't fix anymore because it takes a mechanical engineer with special tools and knowledge to even get to the spark plugs.

@bocahdongo7769

Жыл бұрын

Because surprise surprise, pro use also need space saving for their qubicle or server rack. Space renting is expensive, espescially on office area building. Also those GPU (Quadro and Radeon Pro) is already had super undervolted from factory, so it doesn't need extra cooling anyway

@bocahdongo7769

Жыл бұрын

And also the exact same reason why server CPU has less clock but far more core Instead running of multiple computer, you can just run 1 computer with multiple VM to save space and power.

@zonaeksperimen3449

Жыл бұрын

@@bocahdongo7769 dasar Bocah Dongo ! Wkwkwkwkwk bercanda :v

You have that workstation decked out, geez

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Alphahydro, I built that system myself. It was my first water cooled system.

@Alphahydro

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices beautiful

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alphahydro thanks

You don't actually get all 24 PCIe lanes. 4 of those are reserved by the processor for the chipset. So unless you run your second M.2 through the chipset, you're stealing PCIe lanes from your GPU. Kind of a bummer considering this make RAID 0 pointless.

@gregdaweson4657

Жыл бұрын

You can still use sata

@EienRozen

Жыл бұрын

@@gregdaweson4657 which is 6.5 times slower than M.2 PCIe

@gregdaweson4657

Жыл бұрын

@@EienRozen Oh no, that's terrible, god forbid your games load 30% slower. I still use hard drives and am perfectly fine with it.

@constantinosschinas4503

Жыл бұрын

@@EienRozen 6.5 times? more like 13 times slower.

AMD is fast Intel is powerful.

I priced my Lenovo P620 and it was over $32,000. I suppose I will have to save my pennies 🙄

@lipstick318

Жыл бұрын

Me, too, as if I had pennies to save... $32,000, I'm out of hear... What happened to Fry's??? I guess, I will have to wait for the RTX 4000 series and maybe buy two, plus what ever it takes to run that... As if, I new???

But! Can it ru crisis?

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

sure can.

$32,000, I see, why You have a Desktop... How much did you pay for Your Desktop... Can I order a Desktop like Yours???

Maybe this guy is just trying to sell the Lenovo system or he just doesn't know any better but there is some misinformation in this video. As another commentor mentioned a workstation is just a role of a PC. In this instance of the Lenovo workstation vs the custom built PC as far as CPU goes with that particular CPU socket, yes that is the max number of cores and best CPU for video editing that you can buy however what he failed to mention is that if you build an AMD CPU that socket that AMD uses lasts for several generations, his AM4 socket has been around for 6 years, that means that you can build an AMD platform at the beginning release of that socket and get a new CPU into the PC every year. The real benefit of workstations and server motherboards have over a traditional PC is that you can multiple sockets and they use server grade CPUs so you can have two or more CPUs in one system doing the work. Which is why he also says there are more PCIE lanes because of more CPUs. Another thing he also failed to mention regarding CPUs is that there is also a thing call performance per core. Just because you have a bunch of cores doesn't automatically make it better, for example a server CPU from 2010 might have more cores than a CPU today but the CPU today would out perform it because of performance per core. That CPU isn't going to "automatically scale with your business". RAM and PCIE lanes are also the same as I mentioend above, there are more than a desktop because you have more CPUs. Imagine two gaming desktops merged together that is what you're getting with the CPU, RAM and PCIE Lanes. You also need to have a CPU in each socket for you to even utilize that memory. I would still prefer workstations in the one that he has in a business environment because many times there is redundancy built into them for example, dual power supplies and management cards you can access remotely and also the ability to drop in more CPUs.

@MediamanStudioServices

11 ай бұрын

Hi Yayo685, thanks for the detailed comments. But I would like to refute some of your comments. Having more Sockets does add more cores, but with the release of 96-core server CPUs, most of the content creative applications can not take advantage of this many cores, there is a point of diminishing returns. Take for instance Maya or Premiere Pro, both of these applications are not great at utilizing a mass amount of cores. and the performance will be degraded when using a system with over 64 cores. In fact, Maya is a single-threaded application; when interacting with the application, you can only really use 1-4 cores depending on the task. The same rule applies to rendering software: more core does not equal faster performance. You are better off rendering two jobs on most dual CPU systems than having one job use both CPUs at the same time. As long as the scene file fits with in the CPU and Memory limitations. Some applications benefit from the fast single-core performance, and Desktop CPUs offer way faster clock speeds than any server or workstation CPU on the market. As for memory, this is not dictated by the number of cores. As an example, the AMD server CPUs have a range of 12 cores, all the way up to 96 cores, but they all support the same 12 channels of memory. A desktop CPU can have 2-16 cores and only has, dual memory channels or 4 slots. This is controlled by the memory controller on the CPU itself. PCIe lanes are also controlled by the CPU controller. On a desktop system like the Ryzen 7950x, this CPU only has 24 PCIe lanes. The server and Threadripper Pro CPU offer 128 lanes of PCIe. These lanes can be used for M.2 SSD, PCIe slots, and the Chipset that controls I/O and other connectivity, depending on the motherboard configuration. So in closing, some artists will benefit from the single core speed of the Desktop chip and also have the 16 core for workloads when needed. Other artists need mass cores for their workloads, like Lighting or FX artists using Katana or Houdini FX, these workloads need a lot of cores for creating simulations. But they also need the fast drives and I/O that they can get from the PCIe lanes to swap the large amounts of data required for this work. So, this workstations vs Desktop video was to help artists in the search for purchasing the right system for their workloads and not listen to people telling them to just buy the most expensive workstation and think that that is going to last them 5 years. They should in fact buy the CPU and platform that suits their workflow. and know that the systems in three years' time will be way faster than the system they are buying today. So don't waste money and upgrade in the years. it's just a fact. Thanks for watching.

I5⏰4460 COMPUTER

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing with the channel.

wait til lthis guys finds the 96 core epycs

@MediamanStudioServices

Жыл бұрын

i have found them, and they rock. I am working wiht some new servers with dual 96 core AMD cpus and the rip thru anything I throw at it.

@charles.3187

Жыл бұрын

@@MediamanStudioServices very nice

@Teluric2

11 ай бұрын

​@@MediamanStudioServicesWhat do you do with dual 96C blender,maya?

@MediamanStudioServices

11 ай бұрын

@@Teluric2 I carve up the server into smaller 60vCPU VMs and run the job on the nodes with Deadline render manager

So in layman terms, a workstation is a PC with a big ole pair of bollocks.

@edwardmacnab354

Жыл бұрын

no--a workstation is a pc that literally costs a fortune . A volkswagon vs a lamborghini

Desktop is a computer. Workstation is a furniture. The best workstations are made by Altwork.

you forgot ABOUT THE 4 LANES TO THE CHIPSET. so you can only do 1 M.2 NVMe

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Enrique Padilla, The chip-set has a PCIe switch built in, so it handles more devices that just one M.2 drive. But yes, there is a limitation with Chip-sets also. Desktops have limits, and is good for most artists, but if you want to have more device options, get a workstation. Thank my Ryzen 5900x system, I love this desktop and it works great for my workload. But if I wanted to add 4 NVMe drives and two gpus, there would be limits to the amount I can add. thanks for watching

they both are desktop computers, just one looks cooler.

dude your trying your trying to say intel e52699 is not a workstation chip yes it's old tech but it's still it's still a workstation CPU! also ho is going to process 8k video that's whole different type of workstation this video is all about marketing he is miss leading ignorant for profits and sale for new workstations because intel 5&6 generations intel chips are still relevant you can still run cad engineering software like e5-2680 v3 with at least 32gb- 3200 non-ecc or ecc of memory on a x99 platform with Quadro card with something he say is true ,I'm saying he is being miss leading about the desktop now the fact is yes if your going to process 8k video your going to need way more memory but for most users that's not the case unless your in high tech animation

128GB max? No, not true. A lot of modern motherboards can have up to 256GB of memory like a ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore. 24 PCIe lanes max? No, not true. An Intel Core i9-10980XE has 48 PCIe lanes. I could build a water-cooled desktop PC that would easily crush a ThinkStation P620 workstation.

@MediamanStudioServices

2 жыл бұрын

hi Andy, this is true, you just picked a HEDT CPU that supports over 128 limit. But standard Desktop CPU can only support 128gb. Picking one exception does not make something untrue. It just points out that there are a few other options available. The Intel® Core™ X-series Processors are not standard desktop CPUs www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/sku/198019/intel-core-i910900x-xseries-processor-19-25m-cache-3-70-ghz/specifications.html

Cmon really lenovo is the lowest system that ever existed, at least hp sorry but lenovo will give you a lot of troubleshooting costs

@HiddenAgendas

Жыл бұрын

LOL you stupid? Lenovo has been the only OEM that offers AMD Threadripper Pro. HP is pure garbage. I would never own a HP ever again lol. My X1 Carbon Gen 3 is still running strong! If I didnt' build my own PC a few months ago, I would have gotten the Lenovo P620 workstation.

@adriancoanda9227

Жыл бұрын

@@HiddenAgendas your opinion but y have statistics and another thing y make my living with that domain if you wanna embrace lenovo be my guest there is nothing that can hold you

@HiddenAgendas

Жыл бұрын

@@adriancoanda9227 HP is trash. Lenovo is reliable and used by professionals.

@adriancoanda9227

Жыл бұрын

@@HiddenAgendas shoud y send you pictures on how many organizations have mountains of trashed hardware organizations buy lenovo because the are cheap not because they are good ok

@HiddenAgendas

Жыл бұрын

@@adriancoanda9227 lol cheap? x1 carbon is the only approved laptop to be used in space.

This video is a poor explanation. Workstation is one of the role of a computer. The computer atop a cash register used by a cashier is a Workstation the same way a bank tellers computer atop her desk. The workstation presented here can also be made by using consumer parts since there are Threadripper motherboards sold to common people. The workstation could be a desktop or a rack mount system or even a laptop..

@ChinchillaBONK

Жыл бұрын

i believe the term "workstation", within this context, was quickly defined and established in the beginning. This video is referring to studio/production workstations. He also did mentioned that Threadripper is more of a "hybrid" between workstation and home desktop.

@reach745

Жыл бұрын

Nah.. he did a great job.

@bocahdongo7769

Жыл бұрын

Pedantic

Would be nice to mix pure ad with some information. That is just garbage video.

So shouldnt inuse the asus turbo geforce rtx 3090 on a computer? Are they only for computers?