Something I forgot to mention in the video is that I added garage door weatherstripping to the exterior of the garage door. This drastically cut down on the air draft that will rob energy out of your heating and cooling setup. amzn.to/2kILQmT

I live in north Alabama and I know what you mean about the winters. I use a few ceramic disc heaters set up in zones to heat my old mill house. These are probably the best electric space heaters you can buy. Due to the fine mesh heating elements, they heat ALL the air that passes through them. The thermostat doesn't cycle on and off, instead it throttles the fan to keep a constant temperature in the room. The only drawback is they can only throttle down to 400 watts, and won't shut completely off. I use a WIN 100 controller and a high current relay to shut off the power to the heater if the room temp goes above my setpoint. But when we have a 3 or 4 day run of cold weather, they whisper along and keep my house cozy. One benefit is they are incapable of producing ignition level temperatures, so are very fire safe. Best price I've seen was at West Marine.

@TheWoodWerker

7 жыл бұрын

Hey! I'm near Huntsville! How far away are you?! Thanks!.....Gus

Thanks Jay. I live in an area with moderate winters. The well insulated shop rarely dips below 60. However we have hot low humidity Summer's where it stays in the 90s. The shop stays near 80. Working with hand tools 80 is just unpleasant. I can do it but don't enjoy it. I work much less in the summer (by a factor of two or three). I tried a portable AC unit that I vent outside. It's not enough by a long shot. As such, I've started saving. Labor is high here so it will be spendy (have a quote). It will be worth it. Woodworking is by far my biggest home. We bought this home specifically so we could age in place without needing to move Your video really helped when you said how cool you could get it. If I can keep the shop at 70, it will be fine. I will be making sure they proper size, erring on the larger size btu unit is installed.

Wow! All your videos are so precise and informative. You do not leave any questions unanswered. Thank you for sharing all this valuable information.

I live in Houston, TX. Hot and Humid from May-September, mild the rest of the time. My garage is a 2 3/4 car garage, total square footage is 550 sq ft. The ceiling is 8 ft over the standard 2 car area, the 150 additional sq ft is 10ft ceiling. The Garage door, most walls and ceiling are insulated. The only non-insulated wall is the 35' wall. I installed a 2 ton (24000 BTU) Mitsubishi mini split HVAC. It includes heat as well. It is awesome! Makes it possible to work in the garage during the summer. If you live in the humid south, and work in the garage...DO IT! I paid a little more than Jay, but you really have to be careful. One quote I received was for $9000! I installed a complete 4.5T dual speed compressor HVAC, w/variable speed gas furnace and coil for $9000. I literally laughed in that man's face and called the company to complain of attempted robbery.

Mini split w/heat pump for me also. One car garage - 11Kbtu unit. Several years ago, we had the siding replaced on our 35 yr old home, so we insulated the outside wall. Then we bought an energy efficient insulated 10 foot overhead door...and had 11 inches of insulation blown in the ceiling. Never gets hot or cold (Houston, Tx) and I am very thankful for that.

Thanks Jay! We're working on converting our single-car garage into our woodshop, so this was super-helpful!

Dual (heat/cold) Split system is definitely the way to go! And at $2600 installed is a bargain! Cheers

Had one of those in our 2 room shipping container in Baghdad and they worked great for both cold at night and heat of the day! Very quiet also!

To put it another way for those unfamiliar with the climate around these parts, we have 4 full seasons here: Pre-summer, Summer, Second Summer, and Christmas.

@TdrSld

7 жыл бұрын

Plz lol I live on the coast of south Texas we have been in the 90's twice in the last week with 85%+ humidity, yall dont know heat lol :P JK anything over 75F with 75%+ humidity is miserable.

I heat my workshop with a single one of those electric heaters you showed, no problems keeping it heated to the 5-8C I keep it at during winters, even when it's -25C outside. Insulation really helps, the floor slab too is insulated. It is maybe 30% smaller than your workshop I think. Air comes in low near the floor on the south facing side and exits on the other side up high, creating a natural draft and keeps humidity low. I place the heater near the inlet. The slab and the machines retain most of the heat. I am also adding home built solar air collectors to preheat intake air, i made a small one that I circulate indoor air through to heat it when the sun shines and it's really effective. I can delay using my heater a month in the autumn and turn it off a month earlier, all from that little collector. My goal is always to use less energy and save money wherever I can. p.s. Oh and in summers, when it gets up to 25-30C here (Finland) the shop is nice and cool and is not heated at all. The solar collector is wall mounted and the sun is much higher in summer, so it's not really a problem, and it's most efficient during the winter when the sun is low and hits the collector nearly straight on. I also fitted a filter box on it and it does double duty as an air cleaner.

Good overview. I lucked out to have most of my garage insulated and was able to pull some ducts off my blower unit to put two vents in my garage. It doesn't keep it toasty or cool, but definitely brings the extremes into the bearable range. Being in Memphis I totally understand the miserable summers.

I installed an 18,000 BTU WindAire in my fully insulated 26 x 26 shop here in Nova Scotia in November 2015. I left it on 62F since the beginning and the average Monthly cost has been $27.00 Canadian ($16.00 US!) Cost of Unit and Installation was about $2,200 Canadian.

Thanks Jay. I am installing a mrcool 18000 btu mini split in my Nashville garage shop next week. I very much look forward to getting all of that nasty humidity out of the shop.

Thanks, Jay. This is good info. I am in the Dallas, Texas area and we probably don't have the same consistent humidity that you do but we do have some and we always have the heat in the summer that is unbearable. And winters have 20 - 30 or so probably three or four weeks. I have no heat or air in the shop right now and when it's 25 out, I have about 10 minutes in the shop before my hands are useless. I also have zero insulation above. I am going to look into insulating the door now. Sounds like a good idea.

With weather like you have I'd look to move out of Mississippi. Lol. Info was great, thx for sharing.

I just got a mini split unit installed in my 36x36 wood shop. I alive in Central NC and have a humidity problem sometimes as high as 80 percent in the summer. I would recommend it for @ $2600 i have a shop I can enjoy and not loose working time. My power bill has only gone up Like Jays @ $30/50 a month. Its quite and no odors. Go for it if it is your budget.

im in middle georgia (no not atlanta LOL ) and our weather sounds like yours. Humidity is unbearable during summer months outdoors. Ive been looking at the same thing and that sounds like the way to go. I will need two of the units for two different rooms one for the garage shop and one for my radio room. Also I have r30 in my attic and you wouldn't believe how much that has helped on hot days not allowing the heat to radiate down thru the ceiling keeping it much nicer even on the hottest of days here. Thanks for sharing Jay looks like the way to go.

Thanks!! Just the info I needed to finally make a decision about my shop. Excellent presentation!

Awesome! This video is very timely as I ordered one of these yesterday for my shop. This makes me more confident in ordering it... I'm in East Tennessee so it's pretty humid here as well. It got so hot in the shop last summer it melted the chip strips off my guide rails. It gets too cold for glues and finishes to dry properly. My shop is 25x30 detached from the house so I went with the 24k btu. It's good to know you have had good luck with it. Thanks!!

@keenejunk697

4 жыл бұрын

hey bud I'm also in East Tennessee Johnson City area how's that working out for you ? I'm really thinking about getting one of these for my garage to

This reminds me that I should look into some type of cooling unit for my garage. Since its now February, that means its the start of summer here in AZ, only a matter of time before triple digit weather is upon us. Here's to a cool summer (haha, yeah right!)

Jay, thanks for the info on your setup. It's really great! It also sounds really affordable.

Here in central Virginia I use two 30,000 BTU unvented propane heaters in my 30 x 48" shop. One is hooked to a large outside tank filled by the propane company. It produces no objectionable odor. The other is temporarily running from standard 20 lb cylinders. No matter who I have fill them, that heater (same brand) produces more odor. I suspect that they are putting more odorant in the propane used to fill portable tanks. Next winter will have both running from the outside tank. Thanks for sharing your info.

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

Interesting. It would make sense for them to put something in the smaller gas bottles to prevent people from taking them indoors.

great information and your timing with this video is perfect . ive been looking into insulationing and heating my garage/shop. but my 1st priority is getting more power run out there..

Thank you for this video! Here in Bay Area California we have very similar climate and my garage is very similar!

Jay, I've got a stand alone shop, 14X20, just north of Atlanta. Roughly the same climate zone. Useful info. Thanks

Nice insight into the heating and cooling, Jay. I guess Iv'e been lucky keeping my shop somewhat comfortable since it's small, but you're right about the humid summers. Sometimes it's just unbearable and I'll go a month or two without going out there to do anything. I'm getting ready to install two mini split systems in my finished attic space. If they work out well, I might consider a third unit for the shop.

I love those ductless ACs I'm I've installed a few of em now, and they're great. Have one going in my garage for car work in the texas summer as well as the wood shop cause, yep, again super damn hot. What I ended up doing for the garage door was rolling in some fiberglass bat into the door panels. Securing that with some of that aluminum duct tape, and then I cut the aluminized foam panels as backing for the individual garage door sections. Works amazingly well and also dampens noise. I locked one of my pneumatic impacts in the on position and by the time I was at the end of my relatively short driveway at the street I could not hear the impact. I'm on a relatively quiet cul-de-sac as well.

Thanks for the info. It was very helpful. I live at about the same latitude, but in TX and also have my shop in the garage. I have been doing some thinking about how to make things more comfortable, but on a budget. Your video may actually prod me into taking some action.

Thanks for this. I've been putting off a/c because I thought I needed to add insulation. My garage has a little bit more insulation on one wall than yours so I'll be adding the garage door insulation and not worry about the roof and other walls. I live in central CA so it's over 100 degrees most of the summer no humidity though. I haven't found a need for heat in the winter. I'm excited to think I'll be able to work in my shop year round!

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

Something I forgot to mention in the video is that I added garage door weatherstripping to the exterior of the garage door. This drastically cut down on the air draft that will rob energy out of your heating and cooling setup.

Nice shirt. (In before someone complains about it.)

@michaelwillettidaho

7 жыл бұрын

It is unfortunate that you have to mention that before someone complains about it.

@6stringsandapick

7 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone complain about Ohio?

@latherookie

7 жыл бұрын

I agree, the shirt is in line with what we all need.

@dzuverink

7 жыл бұрын

No complaint here! I fully support home defense.

@TheOlsonOutfit

7 жыл бұрын

Apparently they have conquered the land all the way down to Mississippi. :-p

I live in Calgary and thus winter is been really cold with tepmpeture down to -30°c I use an infrared heater that I picked up for like 50 Canadian pesos or so brand new. So far my shop is at 70°f constantly. the good thing about infrared is that is cheap and efficient. my overall electric bill for the month of December was 76 dollars. that includes Christmas lights and 5 ppl living in a 4 level split house. I can't recomend more those little things.

Thanks for the info Jay. I've been using my garage as a shop and cooling as been my biggest issue, I'm in Mississippi as well. I'll be looking into that split unit before summer rolls around again. My window unit just doesn't quite cut it.

a bit of insulation in the attic should be pretty inexpensive. walls can be filled with blown insulation too. Could cut the $50 bills in half.

Insulate first condition air is second. This would extend the life of your ac unit by 10 years easily as in those hot humid summer months the ac would work much less and in winter you could bring temp up to 60° and shut it off and maintain with the radiant. Also you can right it off as a business expense!

Central Texas 15'x25' 12' ceiling steel building with R-45 insulation wall and ceiling use 1500 watt electric space heater and a small 1500 watt ac unit works like a charm.

I'm in the middle of building our new shop (same dimensions as you) but totally different climates.. It is currently 10F in my shop but in the summer it never gets above 68F and winter can hit -30F. So I'm insulating the walls / ceiling and putting in two 5000 watt 240v electric heaters. One is on a therostat and the other has a simple on/off switch and will be mostly used if I have to quickly bring the temp up if I'm opening the garage doors.

It must be nice! This year I putting AC & heat in my garage. Think I have found a hanging unit. A friend has one just like the one I found on internet. It's a split unit. Can't wait to have it up and running. I live in Saint Louis area. Yes heat and humidity make life suck. Lol

I been looking at ways to cool my garage gym, live in Phx, AZ. And the mini split definitely seems like the way to go.

Thanks the advice Jay. I'm in Jackson, MS and have a similar size area that becomes unbearable in the summer months. Garage door faces east, so it gets a lot of baking in the afternoon - evening.

@floyd923

7 жыл бұрын

unfortunately the cost of unit + installation puts it way out of my budget for a part time hobbyist. I'll have to look into cheaper options, or just learn to suffer!

I live in Rural England and thank my lucky stars I heat both the house and my workshop on wood. I would struggle with an AC environment. In the UK you don't really see Heat Pumps in the domestic setting only in office spaces. I would invest a little time and money on insulating your workspace, will help with evening out the temps and also a good sound insulator.

Lots of great info Jay! Thanks for the video!

Jay...have you thought about insulating your garage?

If you insulate, not only will your costs be less, even though they are small and you'd be more comfortable overall and you'd add value to your home. You can have what is call Dense-pack blown into the walls from outside and either loose cellulose or thick batt fiberglass or both in your ceiling joists unless there is a floor above the ceiling then dense-pack would be needed. Most of your heat escapes through the ceiling and most of the sun's heat and radiation enters down from the roof. Also, if there are windows, can't remember seeing any, though, remove any trim and apply spray foam from a can around the perimeter of the casing.

Very informative. I'm the same way with comfort.

Really cool/hot Jay!

Good information. I am looking to put in a mini split unit like this in my garage shop in the coming year probably. I have one in the bonus room that spans the entire length of the garage upstairs, and it does just fine. With the garage door insulation, I really wish those kits came with a higher "R" rating. 4.8 is not very high, when you consider the basic stuff you put in the walls is R13, I believe. It sure does look nice though.

Thanks, Jay. I'm glad to see you coming up with content while you recover. How much longer until you can get back to it?

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

I'm already "back into it". Working on upgrading the dust collection at the moment. I doubt I'll be making 1 week projects anymore though. It's just not what I want to do going forward and is not what benefits my business the most.

I am in Brazil. Just about to have my woodworking shop installed. And I am going to install a mini split for cooling. Now, the BIG QUESTION is: how to prevent too much sawdust entering the inside unit and clogging the unit filter? How to make a pre filter for this type of mini split?

Interesting that your propane heater did that. We have had the larger version of the heater for 10 years without any issues. Maybe you got a lemon or I got a Golden Egg. ;)

You could move out here to Oregon, where the weather is just about perfect.

Any plans to put insulation in the walls and ceiling to smooth out temperature swings?

Were you given any options on a lower base setting (e.g., 40-45)?

Do you also have an air filtration system in your shop? If you do, how do orient it in relation to the heat pump? Any concerns about affecting the performance of the heat pump? Thanks!

I'm in GA and have a two car garage shop. Summers SUCK

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

I hear ya.

I love the tshirt!!!!

I had the same situation in my first shop if you're going to insulate without tearing out the walls or anything use that thick foam insulation and puzzle it in and anchor it to the walls you can even anchor It 2 ceiling it also will soundproof it. by the way would you be interested in a sticker swap with me?

how about dust? How often do you clean the filters?

Jay, How has the dust affected the mini-split? I'm currently building my shop and I'm considering a mini-split, but I'm afraid the dust will damage the unit. Any thoughts?

@lisag2771

7 жыл бұрын

Cole Dunlay I haven't had any trouble. I wash the filters and vacuum the inside unit from time to time.

Can you replace your thermostat. In my Garage I could not get the forced air heater to drop down below 10 c (50 f) with my old thermostat so I bought a new thermostat and have it set as low as it can go 4.5 c (40 f) Which i have it set to seeing i share the garage with... god forbid the car!!! lol When I am ready to work out in the garage i turn the temp up to 15 c (59 f) let the garage warm up for about an hour then go out. its a bit chilly but fine with a sweater or light jacket.

Jay thanks for the video! Very informative. I just moved to Texas and am in the middle of building a new shop and your video certainly gave me some new insights on my HVAC choices. I do have a question though where did you find the dust collection pipe for sketchup? Thanks again! Jeff

Great video Jay. As usual, you have put out a well informed video that covers about all of it. I to have an un-insulated shop and it is too big to insulate for my wallet. I have a loft, but it is not complete to all walls. (I probably will finish that soon). The working side of my shop is 28 x 28, so i am looking for a bit bigger unit than yours, but I am happy to hear I am not alone with this and since you've been using it for a few years without complaints, I am less afraid to go for it. Only I do have a question. Have you had any trouble with mold?? I am in the Tampa Bay area and mold seams to be quite a problem here.

If you have no insulation in most of the walls, and the internal skin is just Gyprock/drywall/plasterboard, then removing it, insulating, and replacing will probably pay for itself in a year or three.

Perfect timing on the video! Just moved to north-east Australia so now I'm practically in a tropical rain forest. How often does the filter on the split system need to be changed, considering the dust?

How do you find it handles wood dust? I know you are very meticulous about clean air so your answer may not be very relevant to me, but the heat pump we have in the house needs to be cleaned (disassembled) twice a year to really clean the fan and this is a low dust setting. That is what concerns be about using on in an above normal dust environment.

Mrcool has a diy ductless kit for like 1k you can install yourself just need an electrician to run the power for you.

Hi Jay, thanks for sharing.. When you say 2600 p&l what did the actual unit cost? Thanks.. Been looking for one for my basement and garage..

@bigmoguls9359

7 жыл бұрын

Jason, you can find them online starting around $1800, but some of those don't have heat.

Thanks for this Jay! It was good news to hear that you have no insulation behind your walls or ceiling, so there is hope for me yet. I live in Ohio, so it'll be colder, but I tend to like it that way anyway. Also, do you know if there is any major difference (insulation wise) between drywall and OSB for walls/ceiling? I like the idea of using 1/2" OSB, so I am able to just screw into it as long as I don't hang anything too heavy. Thanks again!!

Hi, I'm an amateur radio operator. Do you know how much noise and RFI these units give off? I'm hoping they don't interfere with my equipment. Thanks.

Jay, I've been considering the the same type of unit. How does the unit handle the Dust? Is there an intake on the Blower unit, are there Filters, etc...? Thanks!

HAve you thought about having insulation blown into the uninsulated walls?

Jay, did you put any air filter above the intake for the ac unit to keep the dust out??

@JayBates2

6 жыл бұрын

No

THUMBS UP but how is the dog ?

If you have to open the garage door, how fast does the unit re-cool the work space? I live in central Florida(The REALLY DARK BROWN AREA on your map) and have thought a lot about doing something like that in my garage also. I'm just not sure if it would be functional for me since I don't have a regular door opening other than the Garage door.

@bigmoguls9359

7 жыл бұрын

John, my 2T unit cools 550sq ft in Houston very quickly. I also don't seem to have issue when the garage door is open for just a few moments. For a Garage shop in the gulf coast, this thing is more valuable than a table saw.

@johnmcdougald1238

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input. I appreciate it.

Okay, gonna start something here: AR or AK?

Don't believe what they say on the package of a mr buddy heater. Those things can be dangerous. Carbon monoxide poisoning Love your videos Jay :-) Greetings Erik

How much do you pay in the US for one Kilowatt of electricity? Greetings from Belgium Erik

how did you determine 18k BTU for cooling? based off most websites they recommend about 10k BTU for 400 sq ft and 10% more if lots of windows or otherwise?

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

My ceiling is 10' tall. Most ratings are for 8'. And I don't have insulation in my walls. It was $100 difference for 12k BTU vs 18k. I'd rather go on the safe side then spend the money and it not keep up with the space.

Funny i live in the U.P and its a white out with a temp of 16 but feels like 1

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

I don't miss that stuff :)

Don't go by watts. Go by BTUs.

@MegaMetinMetin

7 жыл бұрын

bloggermouth fuk off

These are 220 volt units .. I do not have that animal in my shop ... Did you?

5:34 "michigan or alaska or minnesota or canada". "tiny state, or less tiny state or tiny state or MASSIVELY, HUMONGOUSLY, TITANICALLY, TRANSCONTINENTALLY HUGE NATION".

Jay, please checkout Wesley Aring's channel!

I live in Orlando, FL. Wanna trade humidity horror stories?

Aren't you a RedWings fan? You gotta feel mighty lonely down there...

Quietside is a cheaper brand

oh no, a propane heater in a wood working shop...... Moister content is vastly increased. big no no up here in canada land. Your wood swells to much

@MrLibertyordeath

7 жыл бұрын

Good point Tom. I would have thought a wood heater would be a no-brainer.

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@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

Congrats.

@ieatgreenfleas

7 жыл бұрын

Jay Bates 2 i know, right? funny how i think its dumb saying first. BUT, im layingbin bed with a broken ankle, and literally checked your channel two minutes previous, and there was no new video. then i went over and watched april wilkerson screw up her axe handle and got your notification. yep, this is my life right now. bedridden

@JayBates2

7 жыл бұрын

Good luck with the ankle!