I like to imagine Klingon escape pods, all have boarding mechanisms. After learning that trick from Kirk.

@That80sGuy1972

Жыл бұрын

They are probably "emergency pods", which are like manned work bugs with more guns than tool limbs.

@hanshawks5088

8 ай бұрын

Klingon ships do not have escape pods.

@jtjames79

8 ай бұрын

@@hanshawks5088 Technically correct, the best kind of correct. 👍

I'd also say the Mogh class exhibits design philosophies from the Starfleet Defiant and Sovereign classes; likely based on Worf's personal experiences on those ships. Most 24th century Klingon ships were ships for tactical battle, but the Mogh and -Samurai- Kurak class are ships for strategic war. Honor and Glory to the house of Mogh. (Haha, that last part at the end about barrels; rivaling only tribbles for being the greatest threat to Klingons).

@dragonsword7370

Жыл бұрын

Makes me want to warm up and put to slip my old warehouse in STO. The USS Worf's Barrel.

Glory to you and to your house

I think what you said at the end is perfect, a more methodical and professional way of waging war. Just like Worf. The cunning Warrior will always prevail. And while the Klingons may have stagnated a bit, I think Mogh is a wonderful design, a true return to form for a battered Empire. Nicely done.

Oh my, I'm in love! The Kurak looks so brutally effective. It's tied with the Vor'Kang as my favourite Klingon warship by pure looks alone. If the Vor'Kang looks like a crossbow, the Kurak looks like a hand-held disruptor, with blade wings❤

Klingons being mindful in battle and not idiot suicider-gloryhounds like the generations that came before? Will wonders never cease. My respect for them just increased.

One of the things that makes the STO original designs such a wonderful addition to Star Trek lore is the amount of thought and detail that goes into their designs. Even though there isn’t much hard canon on these ships, there is always something to read deeper into. Your interpretation of the Kurak-class’s prow as a sensor array made me think of the “Miracle Worker” arrays on the Gagarin-class. I initially thought of the Gagarin as primarily a warp and slipstream interceptor and pursuit cruiser purpose built for the role the Cheyenne fulfilled in the 24th century. The nacelle design and the cyclical slipstream drive convinced me of this, but your reading of the Kurak as an aggressive reconnaissance vessel made me think of the Gagarin’s affore-mentioned arrays and their similar placement. It might be possible that the Gagarin could also be designed for this aggressive recon role. Thanks for another video and keep up the good work!

@sigurdrr1015

Жыл бұрын

I must admit. Sometimes they miss... ok... but they hit the spot more often than i would.

I think in sto . Martock restored the house of mogh and kurn as its leader. Wolf remained in the house of Martock. Undoing gowron acts

@Twitchguy

Жыл бұрын

Not possible kurns mind was wiped forever in ds9 a few episodes after way of the warrior & a family friend call mogra took him as his son so he could live as Klingon with out the dishonor of the moug name when worf opposed Galron in the carrdasian war. & worf still identified himself as of the house of martok in Picard season 3. It’s possible martok pardoned the house and gave it to Alexander for his service in the defense forces in the dominion war or simply gave the ship the name as respect to worf though

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@Twitchguy2011 actually not impossible, Bashir said it was unlikely. Or it would be difficult and unlikely to get sll his memory back. It would probably be like amnesia. . ( really world)

@js3599

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me, in STO, Kurn's memory was restored... I could be mistaken, as it has been quite a while since I have played the game...

@Twitchguy

Жыл бұрын

@@js3599 I’ve never played so you could be right about this for sure. Good old plot armor lol. Bashir says irreversible once done. STO says but it fits the narrative this way so poof scientific method to reverse the irreversible lol

@js3599

Жыл бұрын

@@Twitchguy I played it casually for a time, and I am certainly not an expert... As far as it being irreversible, It seems to me Bashir was not so sure it would even work at all, which, ofc, it did... Then again, it takes more than just being in STO to make something canon...

The crack about barrels is so great. I like that Worf got a warship and that he basically was like "Hmm the Defiant, a warship with a cloaking device, what if you really designed a ship to make use of that."

Honestly its nice that its recognised that Mogh was an honourable man as were all of Worfs family. Especially given canon has it that Worfs grandfather defended Kirk and McCoy and got a partial win in geting it only to the life sentance when it was meant to be death. Despite the stacking of the deck in the trial. Also an advocate of the accords as im sure Worfs father was. Its quite interesting how that house end up determining a lot of Klingon politics from the late 23rd century onwards despite probably being seen as a bit odd for their value on the human like internal instead of external honour.

I *LOVE* the Kurak. It's stunning, beautiful even, in it's hard angular geometry.

At this rate, Venom's going to have enough head canon to do the Federation-Klingon War in the 25th century.

@alanmike6883

Жыл бұрын

Would be cool.

😂😂😂 barrels omg!!! The only threat greater than tribbles to a Klingon warrior. Also great video as always

We need some ships from the "Children of Tama" Maybe "Darmok" class

So, the Wiki says it has more firepower than the N'egvar, despite being smaller. I would actually believe that, since the Mogh is a much newer ship, that incorporates much newer technology and was designed to incorporate more advanced systems going forwards, while the N'egvar is decades old by the time of STO and was built at a time when Klingon technology was generally lagging behind the Federation, which to me puts a serious cap on how far you can upgrade and modernise it as a platform. It's the difference between trying to upgrade and modernise legacy aircraft, trying to keep pushing a platform from the 60's as far as it'll go, VS building a brand new next generation aircraft, that can do most things that the older aircraft could, but far more efficiently and has new capabilities that the old platform didn't have and could never have, no matter how hard you tried to push it.

@digitalis2977

Жыл бұрын

In addition to all that, there's the fact that the Negh'Var was built to be as much a weapon of Terror and Intimidation as it was of War; the Big Scary Unknown hanging at the edge of the battle that you didn't want to engage, but also couldn't take your attention away from. While massive in size for its time, with the exception of its siege cannons, it was surprisingly undergunned...a dinosaur of Klingon wing formations and Always-Forward battle doctrine that completely lacked the speed and maneuverability to execute that doctrine.

@sigurdrr1015

Жыл бұрын

All your arguments are valid and on point

@bigbrain4117

Жыл бұрын

We also know that that a smaller ship can pack a very very large punch as we see with the Defiant, so its not unfair to say that Worf applied some the same ideas that made the Defiant so powerful into the Mogh

@nekophht

Жыл бұрын

@@digitalis2977 I am now imagining Colonel O'Neill holding up the Negh'Var and Mogh while discussing weapons. "This is a weapon of terror. It's designed to intimidate the enemy. THIS is a weapon of war. It's designed to kill the enemy."

@weldonwin

Жыл бұрын

@@nekophht O'Neil, Dismissively holding the Negh'Var between two fingers and dropping it to the ground with a comedic CLUNK sound. But yeah, the Negh'Var was the Klingon Empire's first truly high-tonnage warship in about a century, coming out of an age of technological stagnation. It's going to be crude and clunky in comparison to Federation ships of its time, where as the Mogh, is incorporating all the newest innovations and Worf's own experiences of Federation starship design, to create something that does everything the Negh'var was and more, but in a lighter, more compact and more efficient platform.

Woe, What a ship? How much of a Military Juggernaut is this behemoth?

Loves these STO ship break downs. I've never played STO, so all these ships are new geek eye candy for me. Plus your own take and opinion on them is always welcome and interesting.

@dragonsword7370

Жыл бұрын

If you play video games at All, you should try it once at least! It's old, but keeps up to date as it can and low end pc's can run it decent these days now too. And free to start and play.

Since the Federation is an Allie, did the federation give many materials and construction bases use support in showing their gratitude for the Klingons standing by side by side, even when things are going bad during the war? This might by another topic to be used!

When STO describes something as a "Cruiser" or "Battlecruiser," they are referring to a combination of the Mastery package and what other abilities are available. There are many different classes of ships beyond cruisers. Also, in STO, the Mogh and Kurak are actually modular, though mixing parts from both can lead to wild designs. Mostly, I just use the Mogh skin for the Kurak. Interesting that you classify the nose as a massive sensor, given the Kurak's Intel specialization seating. If it were full spec Intel, that would be even more applicable. Neat video.

The Mogh Class is a pocket battleship ... like the real world Bismarck when she was new ... and the Warp naceelles look very Jem-Hadar

When Kempeck announced Picard as the Arbitrator of Secession, in reality he appointed Worf.

Nice

wa'SaD Hegh DaHotDI' DughIj wa' Hegh You feel a thousand deaths by fearing one. Honestly, these ships make sense but not for the reasons given. You could argue the mogh was designed for survival, but I believe it is meant to endure rather than survive. As others have said, even the escape pods could be used offensively. I will give a modicum of credence to 'scan-under-fire', but a rapid response of heavy firepower is far more practical. Instead of waiting for a report from a scout, the quraq captain can respond to an enemy detection personally and with a mogh not far behind, it would be a formidable response indeed. Otherwise, the designs in and of themselves are exceptional. They encourage warriors to learn from their mistakes rather than die by them.

"tough little ship"

Do the Vo'Devwl!

Don't forget the warp drive is also the source of power. It's very likely the Mogh will sacrifice speed for power. Would make sense to me that those large warp engines produce enough power to make sure that whilst the Mogh is smaller it should be able to fight head on with bigger ships. Similar to the defiants role, and lets not forget Worf captained the defiant during the Dominion war. To me it explains the classification and fits perfectly with the Klingon psyche, why have big engines to run when you are already smaller and more manoeuverable, why not just cripple the enemy before they can run.

Aggressive Recon is such a Klingon concept

Too bad Worf never made the Typhon in canon. He needs his defiant. Also we now have a complete NX to Akira lineage thanks to Star Trek Online, NX- Ranger class - Matsumoto class - Akira - Armitage and then Alita.

Great ships!

size and fire power don't always go hand in hand don't forget the defiant is positively tiny but packs a huge amount of fire power most Star Trek ships have a lot of space dedicated to non combat equipment things like the Avenger, Defiant, Mogh etc are purpose built warships so they are packing more guns and more armor with less other gear getting in the way

Would love more videos about Star Trek online ships and the Klingon demographics.

At least the House of Mogh got reincarnated as a ship class.

Cheers

13:20 The Light Brigade was a futile charge that got annihilated in that Valley of Death. The comparison you are looking for is the arrival of the Winged Hussars at the Siege of Vienna.

@gatness

Жыл бұрын

Charge of the light horse at Beersheba would also be applicable, one of the last successful cavalry charges of history.

If you mix the part right, and use the jem'hadar shield, you get a fairly decent dominion ship.

Dude, Worf is NEVER going to live that barrel thing down.

As chunky and thicc as this ship looks, i would think a ship like this would've been built sooner. hips before this seemed to vacillate between kamikaze machines (the sh!tbirds) to over-the-top showboats (the Negh'Var) with the exception of the Vor'cha but even the Vor'Kang as much as i love it leans toward the showboat category. The Mogh/Kurak in my mind is the perfect Klingon ship: built like a brick sh!thouse and enough weapons and gear to make Kahless blush.

@daanvos194

9 ай бұрын

Thats gowron for you

I would buy a legendary version :)

Worf- Admiral Picard. It is my honor to introduce you to my only son. Picard- Worf I've already met... Alexander- He's talking about the ship. Picard- Ah! I see. You must be very proud. Worf- Nothing in my life has ever made me prouder. *looks at Alexander* NOTHING!

I want a T6 version!

A leaner, smarter Empire.

I used to own the official Star Trek atlas. In that book, which showed all of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers at their fullest extent in the 24th century, the Klingon Empire was depicted as enormous. The only other political entity which could be compared to the UFP in sheer scale. There are two details that I've always wondered about which were never explained in any of my old source books. The Klingons oversaw a vast Empire, but it makes me wonder what other species lived there. And why they were seemingly never depicted fighting alongside the Klingons. Was there some sort of caste system that forbade anyone else from fighting for the Klingon Empire, or were the majority of other species simply wiped out and enslaved? Maybe both?

@gusty9053

Жыл бұрын

In some of the books they hint at other species being incorporated into the empire. Especially if they put up a good fight. It's probably more a case of klingons being the most enthusiastic species about fighting so the other species naturally fill the other roles (merchants, scientist, workers etc). And in STO canon at least, they incorporate the gorn, orion, nausicans and "the cat" species into the KDF forces to some degree.

those are not Escape Pods P'TAK! THEY ARE ASSAULT PODS! ALL HANDS PREPARE FOR DROP!

Gotta admit, I swore never to touch STO again after I got cheated out of a year long event completion by a multi-hour maintenance and missing last clear finishing by 1-2 mins in 2021. Some of your videos really tempt me to reinstall STO. I find it interesting how STO classifies ships. Is it a cruiser that can mount cannons? Battle Cruiser! Is it a battle cruiser with a hanger? Dreadnought Cruiser! Battle Cruiser with TWO hangers? Dreadnought Carrier! No size/firepower requirements except that. ...It's kinda refreshing if prone to initial confusion over the term compared to ship size.

Sort of wonder how it stakcs up to the Avenger. My impression is that the Mogh has heavier firepower, the Avenger has heavier armor. Avenger may also be more maneuverable?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the avenger is armoured and agile whilst the mogh specs into armour and firepower the kurak probably could catch it

Is the House of Mogh reinstated ?

MILOTAAAAAAAA

I thought the Borg wanted to join the federation. I think the final battle will be the Enterprise D- Titian A-& Voyager. They will end up needing saved. Who will come to their rescue but the other Borg who wants to join the federation. Who's going to be sacrificed? All the TNG crew. Not dead, but leaving on D for parts unknown

i think calling these pocket battleships might fit their size and role, pocket battleships like graf spee

I liked the video. Let me know if you agree or disagree with what I'm about to say? when you said both these 2 ships use the same skeleton, It didn't sound quite right. (Please pardon the pun.) But how does chassie sound? Alos you sad that the Mogh didn't Feel like a Battlecraiser, do to it size. That made me think that could battlecruiser type vessels have sub Is monacours like cruisers do; you know light, medium, and heavy Battlecraisers? Again, I liked the video.

Venom will you cover even if short the Borg invasion of the 25th century? 2409

Let's hope they don't put Beatty in charge of the Kurak wing

But how does it compare to the Vor'kang Class?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Not as agile or hi tech I would say

Aren't these heavy disruptors actually disruptor lances?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Kinda... technically lances are just beam weapons but klingon heavy disruptors can be set to fire beams and pulses and aren't tapered like lances.

@matheuscerqueira7952

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I thought that after the experience with the K'tinga, the Klingons built a ship to use this weapon from it's inception, and that would be the Mogh. With it's thicker neck the lance could be a lot longer and more powerful, finally giving them the ability to fight from long distance

I can`t help it, that`s a StarCraft Terran battlecruiser...

Are you ever going to do a romulan and earth fleet analysis like you did with the Vulcans and andorians?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Of the 22nd century... yeah I might revisiting that

@johnjesson9571

Жыл бұрын

Ok, cool, I’m not used to a creator actually responding to one of my comments.

Is there a duras class?

Venom Geek, does STO explore the other side of the Alpha & Beta quadrants? I'd like to know what is on the other side of what's left of the Cardassian Union and both empires.

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

I've don shipchats on both the cardassian Damar class and romulan aehlah class

@Cauin450

Жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I saw them, and what you did on the Columbia and the Titan. I hoped the game have fleshed out both. Thank you.

Is Star Trek online Cannon in the Venomverss

@matheuscerqueira7952

Жыл бұрын

Just a source

Anyone know if any Star Fleet ships have siege guns? Or can they just use phasers the same way..?

@nolgroth

Жыл бұрын

Fleet versions simply have more Hull and Shields plus an extra console slot. They do not have any inherent extra abilities. Indeed, they do not even come with the console or trait that the cash store versions do. In the Kurak's case, getting the cash shop version is a really good idea due to the Emergency Weapons Cycle trait. That will, in turn, unlock a discount (1 Fleet Ship Module instead of 5) for the Fleet version.

Could this be considered a “pocket battleship,” like the Deutschland-class?

@venomgeekmedia9886

Жыл бұрын

Possibly though I'm not sure how you would define that within trek.

Did they whiteface Worf in Picard?

@digitalis2977

Жыл бұрын

No. Klingons tend to lose pigmentation as they age (both in hair and skin.) The precedent was solidly set in both TNG and DS9 with the old Warriors and Masters featured in the various episodes...even the old women and nursemaids.

@neganrex5693

Жыл бұрын

Since a Klingon can live 150 years or better should not be showing white hair and face so I believe he is racist or a Michel Jackson fan trying to make a statement. LOL. Either way Dark Klingons and middle class young white Klingons that went to woke socialist Federation collages that had all honor brainwashed out them will try to sale you on the BS that only all white male Klingons and honorable white female Klingons that stand by their warrior are racist. LOL. Sounds like earth.

Worf-fare!😅