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Happy we finally started our boiler series. Can’t wait to see all the crazy videos we come up with.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Indeed brother!

The comparisons are cool. Before I started running an outdoor boiler I had the plan to run the machine we already had, but upgrade in a couple years to a gasification unit. Now that I’ve been running my classic, I don’t have much interest in making the swap. I’ve got plenty of woods and a sawmill that produces plenty of slabs, and neighbors that have trees they want cut or need cleaned up. And the routine maintenance on it is quick and easy!

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Thats the thing. I am NOT sold on a gasser... I like the simplicity. I have caveman brain, I dont want technology, I want basic fire lol

I like the ease of maintenance of my cl5036 compared to the gasification units, thanks for the content

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Indeed! Agreed!

This was a fun experiment you guys did. I have the central boiler 5648. Similar to yours. I've had it 20 years this year. I love it still. No patches and my water tank has no leaks still. When it goes I'll replace it with the same boiler. My neighbor had the central boiler in gasification model and has more concerns with properly dried wood. He also has more problems. I understand they are getting better. Nice job on the video.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you! I deff want to replace mine with same unit. If I can "legally" get one lol

This was as informative as it was entertaining. Both You and Trees to firewood produce high quality entertainment while piping out excellent content. Have a great day.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it!

@user-sp6ki8ty2j

7 ай бұрын

There is one thing I believe would be interesting to know. I am not sure how you would figure it out. What is the average water temperature returning to the boilers. @@HomesteadJay

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Depends on the heat draw in most scenarios. I have a plate style heat exchanger so the returning water is still 170+ for sure as its constantly circulating regardless of the heat draw.

Jay, why did you put in woodstove size wood. Your 6048 can take big chunks of 2-2.5 footers. I guarantee at 32° you could have kept your stove running for 24 hrs. Plus, you could have burned unseasoned or softwood . The classic, old school outdoor wood boilers are much better as you don’t have to season or split small pieces requiring much more work.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Hey there the idea of this series was to see the same "wood load" on two different style machines. I know I can burn dinosaur size logs and I love doing that LOL this video was to see how each machine handled the same wood with different heat demands!

@richarddabkowski2896

7 ай бұрын

If you are burning green wood, yes it will burn longer, as the fire also has to boil out all the water in the wood -- but those are BTUs wasted. Any energy the fire is wasting removing water from the wood it is not using to heat your house. Having smaller seasoned wood also means a much smaller response time and the boiler will get up to temp much quicker. Although, with the classics design, using perfectly seasoned wood cut into good pieces might be overkill as the ability for a classic to absorb that energy is smaller, and a lot of that heat will shoot right out into the night sky. Which is why you always see Jay not overload the boiler and scrap the wood as far forward as he can.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Now theres someone whos paid attention lol yes you are 100 correct Rich. The only benefit to running small split wood in my classic is a fast recovery rate but I dont think thats a big deal (in my opinion). If the boiler cycles 10 or 20 times a day it doesnt matter. Theres no more or less "wear" on the machine if it cycles once or 100 times lol

Good stuff. Interesting

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Thanks Hank!

Good Evening Sir, Keep Up Your OUTSTANDING Wood Boiler Classic Videos Cheers 👍😇👌Cheers 🍻

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Thanks Dave!

I like your new video today this was fun you Have a nice fire going good jop on your outdoor wood stove video today I love your video God bless too you guys buddy 🔥

Had a eclassic 1400 for 12 years. The cleaning, creosote it made was horrible. The eclassic 1400 also used more electric with a blower and 3 solenoids. I switched to a cl6048 titanium model and love it. No more splitting or needing perfectly seasoned wood. Can also burn spruce, pine and poplar. The eclassic couldnt do that and would plug up and the fire would go out. The classic line is the way to go.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Thats it! Im Sold ( again ) the amount of comments recently ive gotten with people reverting BACK to the classics as overall easier just made my mind up again.I have had a few people upgrade to the gassers and STILL say the classics were easier. I do not want a fancy wood boiler. I will beg steal and borrow whatever means I have to get another classic boiler even though they are "banned" now LOL

This was an awesome video! We also learned not to burn small split wood but I get it was for demonstration purposes..I have used both styles of boilers and ill never go back to a gasser..I absolutely love my 6048. I have a spray foamed house so my wood usage isn't bad..keep up the awesome videos...jay the only thing I'd do and you could possibly do is maybe get a 5036 in the future since neither of us are heating 10k sq ft but man it's nice to burn a car if you want to

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

The classics now are considered "non residential" now so ill have to "find one" when the time comes to replace mine hahah I dont want a new gasser! Long live the classics brother!

@brandoncase4952

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay yea I believe that started around 2016 sometime but if it's for a farm or something you can still get em..either way yes I agree! Long live the classic!!!

I have a Heatmor CX 450 (2019) which is an old school boiler, no gasification. Less moving parts, less technology, less stupid (read expensive) shit to fix and you can throw in any kind of wood. I think gasification is for fussy people, people who lick bleach and scratch themselves at night and enjoy taking selfies in front of their pretty, perfectly split and stacked wood piles. The people who have gasification probably own a Tesla and we all know how the EV stupid shit is working out these days. I think the volume of wood consumption has alot to do with the design of the furnace. The straighter the line between the firebox and the stack the more wood you will burn because your heat is escaping faster. A good video, and like most of the comments it reaffirms to me i made the right choice with Old School. Thanks for your efforts.

@HomesteadJay

5 ай бұрын

This comment is beautiful LOL love it brother! PREACH ON! Old school all the way

I have been watching Matt's channel for about 8 months. Matt also has a snow melt he uses in the winter.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Yeah he sent me a timelapse of that last year. I was blown away hahah talk about using your boiler for EVERYTHING lol

@myronparks3495

7 ай бұрын

@HomesteadJay if he has a pool he might heat that to

I don’t think I have ever loaded my CL 5648 more than 1/2 high. I just thought it would not burn as good and may boil too much. I am running the blower fan on the door. I heat my house and my Brother’s next door. Nice comparison.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

FIlling and using all split wood like I do is a waste of wood lol but we did it for the test. As you know the machines love rounds and chunk wood. Perfect seasoned split 16 inch wood is like tooth picks in a campfire.

lmao at the clapping overlay when you showed the pic of your boiler. *continuing to watch, can't believe the boiler ate up all that wood going to have to go watch Matt's video now.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

HAHAH I was waiting for someone to catch that!

@richarddabkowski2896

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay after watching both your videos decided it was time to load up my boiler (G4000 - 3000 square feet) I put in 6 pieces of oak, but there were still a handful of pieces left from this afternoon so we'll just say there's 10 in there. That will be good to go until I check it around 8ish tomorrow morning. Just a bit south of you in MA

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Gasser or non gasser still cool stuff! Yes neighbor for sure, I remeber you said that before.

@richarddabkowski2896

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay so right, they are the best. So much better than bringing all that wood inside for a woodstove

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

We are putting a wood stove in within a few years LOL why not right at this point

Just went over and watched his video and signed up. Seems like an interesting fella. You may have mentioned but how are you heating your home. Is it a central heating unit.. did you ever do a tour of it.. you probably did but I'm drawing a blank tonight lol.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Hey Jimmie. The boiler PEX runs through a heat exchanger and then we have 6 heat zones (radiant baseboard) floor grid, and hot water as well. Rougly 3200 square feet.

@jimmieburleigh9549

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay oh ok. I was thinking forced air like a central ac unit. It would be nice to see a tour of all that. I say that because everyone is a little different and most guys run central forced air but that's probably of a previous standard central . I just seen a guy's video who just installed a boiler and runs straight to his new radiator heaters for now because he has no heat exchange so he's not even heating his water with it this season.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Gotta do what you gotta do I get it!

I have a classic model year 2001 it holds 385 gallons of water and I heat 3250sqft plus my hot water. I have 5 zones and heat our kitchen floor on the return water from one of the zones. When it’s 24 degrees I’ll put in about 15 split pieces of wood mainly ash,cherry,maple and my boiler will go 20hrs. 30 degrees to about 40 about 8-10 sticks. I cut my wood 20”-24”. I load evyday around 3-4 pm. I can’t imagine burning 40 sticks in 14hrs. Doesn’t seem very cost efficient.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

What model do you have? That doesn’t seem like normal usage for a classic model. My machine is designed for large chunk wood not small camp wood on a side note.

@bobsethbroc

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay 5648 model I believe. No fan on it just a damper door that opens when water temp gets low, the door stays open until water temp reaches 180*. The stove is about 50’ from my house. My lines are about 20” in the ground. Water is circulated from stove to the house to the garage back to the stove.

Don’t remember the last time I saw cherry for sale. Would’ve been nice for a smoker

@HomesteadJay

5 ай бұрын

The guy I sold some too had a smoker so I was happy to hear that. Matt and I only had seasoned cherry on hand so thats what we did lol

Very cool experiment!! I’m burning about 20 splits in 30 degree weather every 24hrs with my classic edge 760 hdx heating 3000 sq ft and hot water.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

I think thats exactly what I would get with the 760HDX based on the 40-50% more efficency they claim. You are spot on with same heat demand as me so that makes sense!

@ericwendel1258

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay you might get a little better efficiency b/c my house and detached garage aren’t insulated super good, but I’m working on that!

@ericwendel1258

7 ай бұрын

Very happy so far after figuring out learning curve from classic to gassifier!

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

I am sure you are happy. I just dont want a gasser for some reason I cant wrap my head around it lol

@ericwendel1258

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay I didn’t either but it’s really not as bad as ppl make it out to be with seasoned wood

Watched both didn’t watch any videos but saw him with a stihl big boy in his hand lol

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Hes a stihl guy lol

I’m having second thoughts on a boiler. I can’t believe it went through that much wood overnight! Wow

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Dont have second thoughts. MY boiler is not built for tiny wood. Think of toothpicks in a campfire. My unit does not burn 80 pieces of split wood in a day... the new style machines need the split dry wood. My dinosaur can slow cook a whole log all day like its designed.

Well he got me to subscribe here lol I’ll poke around on videos thanks for a good video

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Hey Moss! Appreciate it! Looking forward to seeing you around the channel!

@mossman7527

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay am trying to be a homestead guy here in Idaho but don’t start bashing burning pine 😂 that’s all we got to burn here

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

I love burning pine. My boiler loves it lol no hate there brother!

So the conventional used about twice the amount of wood to heat the same space as the gasification unit. That is about what I expected.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

No you have it backwards the gassed heated 2x the space with the same amount of wood the conventional did

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

He did 6,000sqft on 40 pieces for 12 hours. Mine did 3000sqft on 40 pieces for a little over 12 hours

@NorthForkHollow

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay Right, it's not backwards. I just stated it differently. Heating twice the space on the same amount of wood is the same as using twice the wood to heat the same space.

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Oh haha ok as long as we are in agreement lol @@NorthForkHollow

Could you please address the subject of the Federal Government outlawing wood burning boilers. Thanks

@HomesteadJay

6 ай бұрын

They are not outlawed entirely. They just have to meet an EPA standard which classics don’t meet anymore. So basically (pending your state or law) you have to get an EPA certified one. Unless you have a commercial account or non residential area use like a farm you can still get some of the older styles

Should of let the wood get wet when was raining u would of got more burn time out of the wet pieces,but was cool to watch , I still wanna see the video one green peice hole to one season peice hole ,

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Yes havent forgotten that one. What are you thinking? Both side by side same time? 1 at a time?

@shayn4220

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay yes

@shayn4220

7 ай бұрын

Side by side but same size peice

And the winner(s) are... The ppl that got the heat and did none of the work 😅😅

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

HAHAH Yupp both our wifes and kids LOL and them pets haha

Why not compare apples to apples and use Central Boilers gastification unit?

@HomesteadJay

5 ай бұрын

That’s of course on my list

@HomesteadJay

5 ай бұрын

This was the closest person I know who had similar machine total BTU output was almost the same. So it was pretty close just gassed versus traditional

do you change your cloths and shower after every opening of the door?..i would think you would smell horrible to family and friends with all that smoke spilling out on you

@HomesteadJay

6 ай бұрын

It’s my cologne and smells great!

There are so many things wrong with this comparison first of all, you should never stack your wood that close to the door second of all I noticed the pipes on the side of your boiler are not insulated or covered in anyway

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Wood closer to the door is more efficient then tossed in way back and the pipes could be, but dont need to be insulated. They are insulated underground all the way into the house through the foundation.

@nateolmsted899

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadJay putting the wood in the front of the boiler is how you ruin your door and the pipes not being insulated and exposed to the outside loses lots of heat

@HomesteadJay

7 ай бұрын

Your not wrong about the pipes of course. Prior to me turning it around I had a shorter run of pipes but this case I had to add the cross over sections. I could insulate them, it wouldnt hurt. The water is always circulating all the time so freezing isnt a issue It would keep "some" more heat in. @@nateolmsted899