The difference between “I failed society, as a woman” and “Society failed me, as a woman”.

@JhadeSagrav

7 ай бұрын

Yas_lady_clapping_and_crying.gif

@aloevera5600

7 ай бұрын

That- yes- we need this on a shirt or something

@jellysaur1234

7 ай бұрын

Most characters written by men are usually "I failed society as a person" and most characters written by women are "society failed me as a person"

@hassanmehmood9627

7 ай бұрын

​@@jellysaur1234 so the women produce accurate renditions of good people and the men create narcissistic and terrible individuals? Kinda really makes u think huh, maybe that's how society raises people based on their gender and that really affects how they function

@Kai-ob6hd

7 ай бұрын

Snaps for that one. Absolutely what's happening here.

“now im too old and no man wants me” and the character is always like, 27.

@yamairad1

7 ай бұрын

I legit stopped reading a book because she said something like that. She was 26 and used to be fat but is skinny now but hides it under all her baggy clothes. She wasn't a villain. It was a Christmas romantic comedy. I got it because I thought it was about cats that somehow help people.

@crunchevo8974

7 ай бұрын

A GROSS HORRIBLE FUGLY OLD OLD OLD OLD!!!! OOOOOOLLLLDDDDD VILLAIN *in walks someone who's prefrontal cortussy isn't even fully formed yet*

@shookyscousin

7 ай бұрын

Ikr??? I mean if it were set in the regency era (or something) that would make more sense, but definitely not in the 21st century 😭😭

@somanygoodfandoms

7 ай бұрын

And I always sideye the male writer in his late 40s, wondering why he thinks that 27 is "too old"

@abigailoconnell5873

7 ай бұрын

In the words of Charlotte Lucas, "I'm 27 years old. I have no money, no prospects. I'm already a burden to my parents "- pride and prejudice. That seems to be the age 😂

One of my most positive, friendly, pacifistic characters is no longer able to have children due to a work-related accident. She didn't even ask for compensation. You know who _is_ a villain? Her little sister, who grew up watching her only role model be manipulated and taken advantage of, and who became angry at the world on her behalf. BOOM! Realistic characters!

@Imserious184

3 ай бұрын

You're amazing, I just love that.

@octagonalpsycho4399

3 ай бұрын

Can you please drop the name I would LOVE to read that

@ruthshephard4459

3 ай бұрын

If you want to name drop your story that would be... amazing? :)

@minusculegremlin

3 ай бұрын

could you drop the name? this sounds so interesting. :)

@universallink791

3 ай бұрын

That actually is pretty good

Don't care what anyone says, Yzma literally just simply wanted power and was bitter she got fired and she outclasses 90% of so called "well written" female villains, not everyone needs to be super deep.

@user-xm5ry2ld1j

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, villan that is justifiably misunderstood because it’s actually society that is wrong is a valid trope but just as overdone as the can’t have children/lost a child thing. (And usually favors the heroes “change from within” narrative which is actually more likely to make a good person into a villain than the former attitude). You can just make your villains evil it’s fine.

@YesTodaySatan69

7 ай бұрын

And Yzma was absolutely getting her some Kronk, she just wanted himbo and power. Reasonable.

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

Kronk did the cooking, the cleaning, and took out the trash. Yzma wanted the lifestyle without caring for the man.

@doefarris2189

6 ай бұрын

​@@shanerooney7288A common W for Eartha Kitt. 👑❤

@Hi_Im_Akward

6 ай бұрын

Yzma only resembles the "male" written character at a glance. She was not bitter and villainous because she didn't have kids and wasn't getting laid. she raised kuzko, she clearly goes through boy toys (it is very much implied Kronk is the "new" one), and she did in fact have a powerful position. She more accurately was just a narcissist, and highly intelligent and her priorities in life were power, looks and glory. And yes she is possibly one of the best villains to have ever existed.

I want a male villain that can’t produce or have fatherhood and becomes a villain because of it

@a.g.2562

7 ай бұрын

...Well, I have a psychiatrist who did not experience family love, he is an orphan, and although he was adopted he did not have a correct relationship with hisarents, they were distant, so he did not develop empathy as he should. That only led him to carry out different experiments because of the problem with empathy, plus, Focusing on his studies to satisfy his parents kept him out of romance and, in effect, he was unable to develop empathy for other types of social relationships, does it count?

@strawbzzzombie

7 ай бұрын

LMFAO@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004

@Arkein05

7 ай бұрын

Henry VIII

@PotatoGurlSasha

7 ай бұрын

If you're interested in Visual Novel, I recommend Olympia Soirée. If you're don't think you'll be reading it anytime soon, I'll give spoilers. TW Rape. Death. Spoiler Bad ending if you pick the green dude. Orange haired dude lost his dick due to a disease and forces his brother to have sex with a woman he couldn't bang. Context of the story, the people live in a world where you would go after you die, but you are separated by hair colors. Primary are nobles, while secondaries are lower status. The main character is from an island with white haired woman, but men are not allowed to live in it due to how pure the color is. The daughters are born white, but the sons are born with their dad's hair color and gets sent to the main area. One day, a man came into the island did some shit that caused all the women, except the protagonist to kill themselves, thus she is the only one with white hair. Because of her status, she is forced to marry a guy to make white haired girls, but they gave her a year to decide since they still want her to have a happy marraige. The dickless loser has Orange hair, but because he's a secondary color, while his twin brother is a primary color, he got demoted in status. Then there was a disease that was killing the people and he got in contact with it that it took his dick away. Not only that his primary color brother fell in love with another girl that is a secondary color, thus ruining the family clan. He got super jealous and told the authorities because secondaries are not allowed to be with primaries. This caused his brother to lose his status and his girlfriend gets executed. When he heard the protagonist needs a mate, dickless asked her hand in marriage, but because of the one year rule, she didn't take his hand immediately. She choose a green guy and if you mess up the story, then the ending I just told you happens.

@T-rexMan69

7 ай бұрын

@@PotatoGurlSasha that actually sounds interesting, thank you!

i once tweeted at a male author asking if he ever met a woman who was infertile because of how annoying his villain was-

@M.S.-3106

7 ай бұрын

Damn!!! What’s the name book? I want to see if it’s that bad.

@triple-AAA-battery

7 ай бұрын

why do I get the feeling he blocked you after that

@leonie1048

7 ай бұрын

did he answer😂? And which book?

@maruchan.sabor.cotufa3847

7 ай бұрын

Commenting because I wanna read that

@veronicadrysdale8066

7 ай бұрын

I never read the type of book that was written with the female villain ark described in the video, anyone fill me in on a few titles?

“I’m to old and ugly* Also her being drop dead gorgeous and like 25

Female villain written by me: "i just dislike people."

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

Female villain "Divine Empress" written by MisterVii "Kowtow before me! Those of you not kowtowing, kill each other to save me the hassle."

@themis467

3 ай бұрын

Based

@rubysparks4915

2 ай бұрын

Yup. Mine is: leave me alone or I will take over the world so you will HAVE to leave me alone.

@DayDreamingWriters

15 күн бұрын

Meanwhile mine Female Villain: Just person who hates Magic System and wants to make Purge, for Technology.

And then the middle... A male write with a female co writer's woman villain who a fusion of both as she got her motherhood ripped away from her hands due to the very corrupted and flawed system wanted to basically make that child into a living soldier and took her child away, who turns out to be the protagonist to the book :3

@GhostsFae

7 ай бұрын

I love this idea

@NoOne-jc2wm

7 ай бұрын

It's a whole trope buddy

@TheRavenousWolfe_27

7 ай бұрын

Those are the good ones

@RiverThief

7 ай бұрын

I want this story

@user-kj6mb5ir1i

7 ай бұрын

sounds kinda like bahubaali with the kid getting taken away by a cruel system but the mother is not the villain

Every male Hollywood writer

@steph_matarazzo

9 ай бұрын

😭😭

@KarnTheStrong

7 ай бұрын

So a bad writers.😂

@hangsthemighty912

7 ай бұрын

Them: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!

@veronicadrysdale8066

7 ай бұрын

Example please?

@crispydinonuggie

7 ай бұрын

@@veronicadrysdale8066that’s what I’m saying 😭 I honestly can’t think of one female villain like that

"Then I can't have children" girl, adopt

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

I would, but... I don't think I'm allowed. Not after I killed my ex-boyfriend for breaking up with me 🤔

I found out I can’t have kids years ago. I had no idea that was my villain arc origin story. BRB. Doing crimes.

@AdorableFloof1999

2 ай бұрын

I have no children and do not want any, I was also unaware this us leading to my villain arc. My dogs will be so disappointed.

when the female villain made by a woman nearly says "girllll you got a problem!" 😅

The irony is, that lack of romantic relationship is a much more realistic villain arch for a man.

@kushalkarmakar8248

7 ай бұрын

I appreciate you and your comment. God bless you. Live in joy. I don’t know you. But I love you.

@Foreverbabironi

7 ай бұрын

NPC ENERGY

@BrinIoca

7 ай бұрын

Honest to god, women don’t go committing terrorist acts because boys reject her 💀

@mrzenox9835

7 ай бұрын

LMAO a perfect summary for the incels and anty feminists "alpha males" XD

@sherlockholmes4059

7 ай бұрын

When you see what some men did because of rejection ,that’s just what would happen if they were rich.

My antagonist (Queen) became like that because she lost a kid she adopted and got attached to past 4-5 years. It didnt just randomly died due to sickness or that, her son was suffocated by pillow while she wasnt there. She became extremely paranoid of her people and started executing everyone who made an extra move lol-

*aggressively tries to remember if I’ve any book from a male with a female villain but all I’ve read is books with children as main characters*

Ahhhh so my infertility is my villain origin story. Got it. I'll start organising my henchmen now.

@mae1062

6 ай бұрын

👀😂

@Hargazer

6 ай бұрын

I'd like to audition for a role

@axosrain4825

4 ай бұрын

Wait...then what's the goal? Destroy anybody who is fertal? Find a cure? Live a life without changing diapers? 😂😅

@magicturtel

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 good luck on your journey! Don't forget to emphasize how much the luck of children is your only motive in life!

@mursi2734

4 ай бұрын

Can I audition if University isnt working out? I will say I will need every command to be verbally said or written down,I do not take Initiatives.

I find it funny when the villains have some terrible thing that's happened or a bad upbringing that made them that way. In my experience the people I've met who are most like villains have had wonderful lives, great parents, siblings and lots of friends. From a family who never struggled financially. They never really developed empathy, understanding and patience with people and were incapable of recognising they grew up lucky.

@jemuzu3065

7 ай бұрын

I love villains who don't have any real motivation, ngl. It makes them a lot more threatening, and I enjoy their stories way more. It's certainly a lot more realistic.

@krei-ations

7 ай бұрын

@@jemuzu3065yeah I like those villains Especially when everyone in the story questions the motive and they’re just like “idk I was bored lol”

@fobija1378

7 ай бұрын

Trolls 2 has that kind of villian 😅

@HotaraTakeo

7 ай бұрын

@@jemuzu3065 Alfread said best "some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." People like that are like nature itself. They go through the world doing what they do and your only salvation is not meeting them which is genuinely terrifying.

@krei-ations

7 ай бұрын

@@fobija1378 you mean trolls 3? (I’m genuinely asking)

Comparing my two writer friends when they make a believable villain is always fun. One friend is always “I’m not enough without this one specific person!” And the other is “I do this because I’m bored and Mag City is right there”

Women do the same things to male villains they write: "I am so evil, such a killer...all because my woman died or betrayed me. All I need is the spunky, perfect female protagonist to love me, and I'll be whole again."

@Amy_the_Lizard

4 ай бұрын

I think you're confusing "male villains" with the "dark, angsty, and clearly incredibly toxic - why the f*ck do you people think anything about this is hot - male love interest" trope

@killme5630

4 ай бұрын

Lol lowkey true

@deadded5793

3 ай бұрын

​@Amy_the_Lizard the same way this video confuses female villans made by men with female villans nade by bigots or bad writers?

I’ve read a book about a mother who was forced to evacuate with her children and they all died as a result, so she became the villain and kidnapped the children of the people who forced her to leave, and that makes sense. She was traumatized and the one part of her life that made her happy was stolen from her. This caused her to be blinded by hatred and revenge, which makes her fueled by a family aspect, but not just for some petty little reason. Also yes, this was written by a female.

@xiyue-554

7 ай бұрын

I need the name now 😭

@Daelyah

7 ай бұрын

That one's valid.

@radioactivepower600nanaspersec

7 ай бұрын

Can we get a name, please? :0

@Fennecfoxesshow

5 ай бұрын

​@@xiyue-554 It's literally just La Llorona

@mariedit9935

4 ай бұрын

The grief of infertlity and losing children in fiction, I prefer it from a female perspective tbh

I was so ready for Woman Villain Made By A Woman to go "You know adoption is a thing, right-?"

@tripleg2513

7 ай бұрын

Thats not the same

@Daelyah

7 ай бұрын

​@@tripleg2513I hate this to no end

@tripleg2513

7 ай бұрын

@@Daelyah that you may but its the truth. A hard truth to understand and that is unpleasant but the truth nonetheless.

@violetfox2444

7 ай бұрын

​@@tripleg2513of course it is.

@ncrest4365

7 ай бұрын

and then there's a lot of women who don't want a child.

While it shouldn’t be overused, infertility can make some women VERY bitter. Mix that in with some legitimate parent issues and you have a realistic villain. As a woman, the baby rabies can be like a psychological itch you can’t scratch. Not every woman feels that way, but it’s not uncommon.

I'm a dude and I wrote a female villain who was abused for her magical power for hundreds of years by her father (who is something like an emperor). She becomes a villain (her father is too obviously) because due to her lack of control over herself, she gains a desire to control others with her power and get revenge against her father and entire family. She thus falls into the cycle of war that the series is about. Its a drama epic following that family and how them fighting each other tears apart the world so bad that they have to go to another world. That female villain falling to the cycle is the final straw. The meaning of that is up to the individual, but I see it as motivation for women not to fall into the oppressive positions of men while trying to fight for feminism and their indepenence. At the end of turning the tide, it can become really tempting to embrace the same oppression inflicted on you but upon your oppressors. Thousands of groups throughout history have fallen victim to this specific problem of overthrowing and becoming a new problem rather than the solution. There's lots of layers to this story. The thing that makes this so different is because its society failing this character. But what is highlighted is that like the main character, she has the choice to break the cycle and doesn't. So she does fail the few good people in the world.

@camilleroblin5005

23 күн бұрын

Feminism isn't about oppressing men. Those who believe that don't know what feminism is or are not feminists. Your character is interesting though. I love the fact she wants to control others to compensate the fact she can't control herself. You made a very complex character so be careful because they're not easy to handle. As for breaking the cycle, the problem is victims can normalize abusive behaviour to survive. It's terrifying but some victims of abuse act like this. That's why it's super important to let abused children get therapy, free therapy, paid by the State. It seems your character just doesn't know how to be different. It could be super interesting to have your villain confronted to someone who was abused but didn't become an abuser.

To be fair, I know of some stories where the male villain wants to destroy everything because they lost their wives

@rachelguderjahn2231

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, the hero of those stories is usually motivated by the villain killing someone in their family.

@Arachnick

7 ай бұрын

Someone you already know and love dying ≠ not being able to conceive.both can be traumatic, but this trope reduces woman(and other afab folks) to their ability to give birth.Not the same

@Suhuva

7 ай бұрын

First instance that comes to mind is Dracula from Netflix's Castlevania 🤔 But the execution of that was excellent so I don't think that qualifies 😅

@LIsa_Shi

7 ай бұрын

Dude. That's not the same

@sklynn

7 ай бұрын

That's fridging usually, it's quite different from what she's talking about.

The irony is too good 👍

@steph_matarazzo

9 ай бұрын

Thank youu!

Not every villain is justified

@user-xm5ry2ld1j

7 ай бұрын

“Justified” villains always either resort to the villain making ridiculous stupid-evil decisions to keep them in the “villain” box or taking a “no such thing as good and evil” arc over the whole story which is not fun for the audience to not have someone to root for. It can be done well but it’s so fucking overdone.

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

"I stole the money because I deserve it." Villains have to justify it to themselves, even if their villainy isn't morally justified.

@christopherbennett5858

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@user-xm5ry2ld1jHappens a lot of social change villains. RWBY’s White fang and Falcon and the Winter soldier’s Flag smashers are big examples. And a bigger cliche is the reveal that the leader doesn’t really believe in their goals eg Amon from legend of Korra, Ghetsis from Pokemon black and white. And that’s more just so that no one actually has to debate things.

One of my favorite book series (“The Villains Code” by Drew Hayes) has a female protagonist that is a villain and she has an amazing backstory and everything. I highly recommend reading it.

@douglasleal4924

4 ай бұрын

But is she still the villain? Like do you love to hate her ?

@crowbarjones6238

4 ай бұрын

@@douglasleal4924 I can really only tell you to read the book because it is hard to explain without spoiling the entire thing. I will warn you though that the first book in the series is about 27 hours long.

@patrickwheeler5701

3 ай бұрын

aw for fuck sake here i was scrolling thru yubtub .....trying & failing to get my food cooked and i get this.....this ....uh ....duology [is that a word? don't care] i've read the blurb for both books and added it to 'i'll read it later' mountain...fucking yubtub shorts

the only time “infertility as a villain trope” works is with Lilith. being created to be the mother of all humans and then having your creator curse you to bear only stillborns and demons and long outlive any and all of your children is a villain backstory. but regular infertility shouldn’t be demonised.

@triloization

7 ай бұрын

And only because she did not want to be dominated. In this story is God the villain. He often is in the old testament to be honest. Who tf kills children and can be seen as good?

@beth641

7 ай бұрын

@@triloization Old Testament God is a marker of the ancient world, where Gods were cruel and fickle and prideful more often than benevolent. It is definitely odd, what with pride being the worst sin. Maybe it’s that only gods can be prideful?

@HotaraTakeo

7 ай бұрын

I'd disagree. Them being demons don't make them any less her children. I've seen plenty mothers stand by their kids who might as well be demons. Motherly love has no bounds.

@beth641

7 ай бұрын

@@HotaraTakeo yeah, they’re still her kids even though they’re demons. we don’t disagree there. i’m saying that works as a villain origin for her because her children being doomed to live as lesser creatures of hell when they were originally supposed to be the start of the human race (a race now populated by a more “obedient” woman) would be traumatic af and give her so much motivation for villainy

@tictac9229

7 ай бұрын

I mean I would definitely be furious if I my balls didn't work

The can’t have children part is legit Yennefer throughout all for The Witcher 💀💀💀

@bumbleB1

7 ай бұрын

Honestly all of the female characters in The Witcher either want children, are lesbians because "they got bored of men", or they just hate men. Mr. Sapkowski please stop

@savannahcoleman5672

6 ай бұрын

I was searching for this comment and then she becomes “good” when she is able to be mother like to someone 🥴.

@doefarris2189

6 ай бұрын

That was the part of the show where I just stopped watching.

@sharkisco

6 ай бұрын

Yen's arc in the books is a little more complicated from what is shown in the series. At least all sorceresses are infertile (obligated to). The show just shallows it down to make Yen not "a" but 'the" principal character 🙃 Even during the games development (there are 3) developers were afraid of including Yen because of her complicated personality so they delayed her character appearance to the third game only. And then Netflix butchered her personality, narrowing it down to an extremely superficial character.

@zabirdy181

5 ай бұрын

She's better writen in the books, Netflix butchered the characters, conflicts and storylines, Gonna start with the first book later

As someone who writes as a hobby I am proud to say I write female villains completely outside of those 2 tropes... I usually give them a goal that makes you go "Well... They are not fully wrong..." or at least that is my intention... Greater Good kind of villains are the best... Or "Do it because I can and am bored" can be fun...

I love the subtle detail of the villain written by a woman having a more detailed ‘design’ to show more effort had been put in.

There're some amazing tragic female villains based on the concept of going to horrible drastic means to have children, especially in fantasy. The classic child stealer witch trope comes to mind but also some science fiction. Out of all that was mentioned it's the only one that doesn't deserve to get knocked. Games like Bloodborne and haunting grounds show the visceral horror and tragedy of motherhood and femininity quite well and feel uniquely terrifying to me as a woman.

@exhaustedpunk1477

7 ай бұрын

The problem people have is that most of the time horror and tragedy for women in media is ONLY related to their womanhood, theres the million analogies for the "first blood", rape and vengeance, motherhood/infertility, pregnancy panic, virginity and purity, etc etc. Women in these stories are reduced to only that, their whole story revolving around their sex, which is not on pair with male led stories of the same genres at all and mostly just a cheap tear jerker from lazy writers. Like, of course having your period is like a horror movie, but also why can't girls be monsters and villains and it having nothing to do with the kids they can't have or their sex life? and can I please go through a horror movie where the female character doesn't experience said horrors sexually or targeted at their womanhood or the men in her life? I'm tired of playing bingo and winning every time. Bloodbourne is great tho, you're right.

@Born_to-Die1989

7 ай бұрын

ahem Scarlet Witch MOM ahem

Adoption: Am I a joke to you? 😭😭

@marinapogorelova

7 ай бұрын

Won’t work for everyone tbf

@christopherbennett5858

7 ай бұрын

Worked for Mystique and Destiny.

@MarkelMathurin

6 ай бұрын

Not for everyone

@SabertoothedTiger69

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't keep a woman's uterus from wandering

@christopherbennett5858

6 ай бұрын

@@SabertoothedTiger69 I’ve heard of a prolapsed uterus but not a wandering one.

No one ever makes fun of the unrealistic males written in female romance novels...

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

That's because nobody reads female romance novels.

@dDoodle788

7 ай бұрын

Don't know about that. The frequently used phrase "still a better love story than twilight " kind of disproves your point. ( used for good reason though, twilight was terrible)

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

@@dDoodle788 But I bet most people who say that watched the movie and didn't read the book. And some of them may not have even watched the movie.

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

If anything sometimes professionals in mental healthcare comments on toxic relationship models. But I've never seen any pseudo-feminist talking about it. Or analyzing Voldemort, whose probably most toxic trope for villain ever. Because woman wrote it, right?

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

@@shanerooney7288 I nearly cowritten one as joke but after reading 1st few pages decided I won't bully handicapped kitten.

As a woman, I would love to read about a female character who becomes a villain because a man betrayed her and she can no longer have children or perhaps she lost her children due to the betrayal. It hearkens back to the "what extremes will you go to for your loved ones?" trope that works so well in thrillers and action flicks. She might work better as an antagonist than an actual villain though, unless there is more to the betrayal that would lead her to be okay with harming innocents for the sake of revenge.

She’s not a villain, but roughly my reaction to Black Widow when she told the Hulk she was a monster too because she couldn’t have kids. Not what the writers meant, but it was 100% how that line was written. I have sterile and infertile characters of multiple genders, it has had caused a shockingly low amount of desire to burn the world down.

@EA-by2he

7 ай бұрын

multiple genders?

@rachelguderjahn2231

7 ай бұрын

Multiple character who each have their genders. Look for the "s" in original post.

@veronicadrysdale8066

7 ай бұрын

That's not what was said, she believes she is a monster because she let them do that to her to make her abetted killer

@waffleaffle231

7 ай бұрын

​@@EA-by2he men, women, trans characters, nonbinary characters, etc.

@mokko759

7 ай бұрын

That Black Widow line is exactly how I interpreted it too. Husband was confused as hell when I brought it up because he thought it was only referencing her training as an assassin/spy. That line was the final nail in the Damn-I-Hate-Black-Widow coffin, for me.

Certified method to know if it's a man writing about woman: "No man will ever want me, I've wasted my fertile years sleeping around with hot guys instead of becoming a wife of this one good guy at age of 15"

@omaimaf9963

7 ай бұрын

“It’s the 21st century but I decided I’m a spinster for not having children before thirty even though I have at least 10 more babymaking years ahead of me and I’m hot af”

@joshsass3067

7 ай бұрын

​@@omaimaf9963are you really or do you just think that because people simp and kiss your ass? Follow up, you know it's way harder to conceive and bring to term at that time right? Enjoy villainy🤣

@ghosttheprogram6973

7 ай бұрын

Funny how you probably can't think of 5 stories that used this trope

@pheonixrises11

7 ай бұрын

@@omaimaf9963my parents definitely didn’t think my mom would get pregnant as easily as she did when they were both in their 30s

@ghosttheprogram6973

7 ай бұрын

@@pheonixrises11 do you understand what a general rule is? How probability and likelihood work? Your mom was very fortunate that nothing went wrong because after 35 it's more prone that something will go wrong especially involving the development of the child itself

This reminds me of “The Baby” on HBO. One of the main supporting characters/antagonists is looking to adopt, but is refused a child, and is very bitter towards her sister who has been saddled with an unwanted child (also not biological) and how ungrateful she is for something she wants so badly and is still refused. Great watch! I should rewatch it soon

Actually, while I do love the female villain written by a woman, I don't mind certain aspects of the other one (as a woman). I love it when the villain has daddy issues, or a past lover, (not the infertility of that no man actually wants her or whatever) because I feel like it adds an understanding to the character. Because heartbreak, and being misunderstood are really relatable I feel like it humanizes the villains.

My female villains: we got tired of societies bs so here we are. Don’t even hate the heroes that much it’s mainly just the people who did things wrong to us. Anyway want to join a knife fight? Either that or “If I was normal that would be boring so why not make it fun!”

@kacbcd

7 ай бұрын

Both? Both. Both is good.

@shadow_leaf7965

7 ай бұрын

My female villain: Evil is fun The male villain from the same story: yeah! Evil is fun! And they became best friends and never have romantic interest in each other

@AnglosArentHuman

7 ай бұрын

The leader of the group of outlaws my D&D party encountered last session became a criminal solely so she could get revenge on the baron who killed her sister. She was willing to give up a dragon hoard to get her stuff back. Then again, my wife does say I write my characters like a lesbian so 😂

@BoristheromanianBadger-sz7ng

7 ай бұрын

Second reminds me of azula from avatar the last airbender. Btw avatar last airbender was made by multiple people all men

@-Galaxy-2695

7 ай бұрын

This is all of my villains lmao

Every female villain I make has either a super detailed traumatic backstory or they're just evil because hehe ✨ chaos✨

I have read The Reckoners by Brandon Sanderson and it has this one female villain named Regalia that is smart, manipulative, and always one step ahead, her death in the end was actually her goal and that made her one of the most terrifying villains I've read about.

I was writing a story where there were 2 women villains and 1 questionable one. 1 of The villains backstory involved their sibling tormenting the other, and how her family fell apart giving her an awful life lesson, The second involved her being persuaded at a young age, she hadn’t known a key detail and her teacher accidentally mislead her into a path of questionable morals.

And my fave type of villain: I’m just bored and want to cause chaos. Like Lord Dominator from Wander over Yonder

The “i cant have children one” happened in SO MANY books WritteN BY WOMEN

@user-xm5ry2ld1j

7 ай бұрын

And the “jealous of other girls/women who are prettier” Every female written romance novel has a minor villain who is either jealous of the protagonist for being prettier than her or jealous of the protagonist for NOT being prettier than her but getting the hot guy’s attention anyway

@Alwaystired8568

6 ай бұрын

She always tries to defame male writers and show female writers as superior even though they are no less. Or equally or more bad.

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

Also multiple male characters are written like that. Berengar, that one Witcher in W3, in fact Geralt has infertility issues, but solve it constructive way...

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

@@Alwaystired8568 you've just described sexism. Trying to nitpick examples to push view that one gender is better than another is definition of sexism. Ironic, right?

@Alwaystired8568

4 ай бұрын

@@Petaurista13 yeah. And that's what she (the video creator) does many times.

"I can't have children" Adoption: baby I'm just a hallucination THIS ALWAYS bugs me

damn villiain written by a man just sounds like something my mum would write lmao

Literally described Regina Mills

@CadiaMichal

9 ай бұрын

Facts😂

@Jordy1310

7 ай бұрын

😂

@queerqueen098

7 ай бұрын

I lowkey love Regina mills tho lmao

@cozmolocke

7 ай бұрын

@@queerqueen098 not a day goes by, that I don’t wish to be her 👑

@Kingj-pn8qf

7 ай бұрын

Ór harley quinn Its a great storyline just it’s not her just being evil it’s based around her love

I find some villains written by men to be better and more interesting than some villains created by women. At the end of the day instead of trying to turn everything back to gender it’s important to know that anyone can make a good villain and anyone can make a bad villain.

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

Woman wrote in fact one of most toxic villain trope. JK Rowling's Voldemort. Why he's evil? For few books it was simply "he is power hungry". Then his conception was revealed and trope was changed into "love potion children can't feel true love" so basically "if you're rape child, you're evil" Woman literally claimed that in her lore every rape child is born w/o ability to ever truely love

@christianm7250

5 ай бұрын

@@Petaurista13 Jesus Christ I didn’t even think about that.

I think one of my favorite villain arcs is the one is The School for Good and Evil lol. But really it looked at that whole system viewpoint instead of “backstory” and like someone else said usually a real life villain is someone who hasn’t had time to develop empathy or never got to heal from something traumatic to their personality. 🤷‍♀️

The third and my fav type of villains: "I KILL BECAUSE ITS FUN. CHAOS = ENTERTAINMENT. WHAT'S LIFE WITHOUT THE FUN? WHY SURVIVE IF BORING. BLOOOOOOOOOOOD. MANIPULATION BECAUSE ITS EASY, WINNING FEELS REWARDING. ALL I WANT IS BLOOD AND CHAOS"

I have a character who’s a lady who can’t have kids but still wants kids. So instead she spoils her boyfriend’s pet snakes as if they were her babies. She then goes out and adopts a snow hognose she calls Banshee.

@javacat5471

7 ай бұрын

She’s goth but she’s no villain. She lost her ability to have kids due to an injury and she turns to adopting pets.

@Hargazer

6 ай бұрын

I would recommend her an Atheris Hispida. They're very poisous, aggressive, but are very colorful and look like dragons

@javacat5471

6 ай бұрын

@@Hargazer lol. She’s a beginner to snake ownership when she adopts Banshee but maybe eventually. (I have heard that Hognose’s are good for beginners)

@javacat5471

6 ай бұрын

@@Hargazer just googled, and you’re right. That is a pretty snake.

You can say Yennifer, it's okay 😂

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

Yennefer. And she's not villain

@darkriku12

4 ай бұрын

Netflix Yennefer maybe lol

DEREK LANDY IS THE BEST MALE AUTHOR FOR THIS REASON. HE USES LITERALLY NO STEREOTYPES AND HIS CHARACTERS ARE PERFECTION

Truth to be told, I like neither of both villains in this short. Basically "society is bad, woe is me" vs "I've let someone else define who I am, woe is me"

Somehow this reminded me of when I came up with a tragic backstory for a female villain in a text-based rpg. When she gave birth the weather was bad which (in the world setting) was commonly interpreted as a bad omen so they decided that her offspring must be dangerous and therefore killed. So her conclusion was that the system is malicious and blindly relying on omens and prophecies and therefore must be destroyed. And of course personal revenge included.

My favorite villain is a villain due to ✨disrespect✨. They could have been their greatest ally. Fear and prejudice led the "good" side to not do one, SIMPLE, show of respect they granted to those beneath the would-be ally. Even still, the now villain still saved their child and gave them freedom that their own parents would happily have taken. Can you guess who?😈

@MiaFreeman-ps7pq

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like Maleficent.

@CherrySweetBlossoms

7 ай бұрын

Gotta be loki. Respect was given to Thor despite Thor being a much worse ruler at the start. Then Loki allowed Thor to be free and stay with earth, which Odin never would do.

@srutideka2894

7 ай бұрын

Omg I don't know about the last part. But in Mahabharata this is literally the story of Karuna. I have always felt sad when I read his side of the story

@silverlinedheart

7 ай бұрын

Burr from Hamilton?

if written well, the trope of 'woman can't experience motherhood & therefore becomes bitter' cqn be a really good villain story. unfortunately it being written well is rare

You just made me think of a villain that wants to destroy the world because, when they were 5 years old, someone called them a "Stupid nincompoop." they took it very personally(they're like 40 now)

Honestly as a girl/woman I would make the character completely evil. No tragic backstory. Why? Because I can. Even better make them funny but in a mean way. Like I like the cool woman tropes but sometimes you need an evil, funny villain to make your life fulfilled.

@BerriBerriLunchbox

7 ай бұрын

I love these *types of characters I feel like too many characters are "Oh no I'm broken so the world must pay" what about just... pure evil?

@WeFightForever

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. Both characters in this clip sound boring.

@MissCatraEverdeen

7 ай бұрын

My main female villain was just spoiled and ended up having immense power leading her to lash out when her perfect life began to crack.

@queen-monarch

7 ай бұрын

I don't understand why people think making the female villain correct about the society she's trying to destroy is progressive?? If that's true then why the hell did you make her the villain!? Why are you bragging about your story being pro-establishment?

@gersontejada8760

7 ай бұрын

You just described Enoshima Junko

So, I wrote a book with 2 POVs (about assassin). The main female character first and the main male character second. The female character is focused on the mission and doesn’t really focus on the setting and other characters. Mostly just the plot. And the male character… is a simp for the female charcter.

@CherrySweetBlossoms

7 ай бұрын

This sounds exactly like that tiktok creator who made a story about her talking to her main female lead. The lead is focused on the story and mission, while the author keeps trying to force these romance moments with the male.

@sk8rboy

7 ай бұрын

im sorry but mlb?

@Book_musical_art_lover

7 ай бұрын

@@sk8rboy what is mlb?

@bgos4727

3 ай бұрын

​@@Book_musical_art_lovermiraculous lady bug

It’s sort of a double standard: when some male writers write female characters it doesn’t sound good, and when some female writers write male characters it also doesn’t sound too good. What I'm saying is that some people just aren't good at writing the opposite gender, whether male or female.

The Scarlet Witch was a beautifully written and fantastic blend of the two of these.

It'll be fun to thik what would be the characters of Harry Potter series or those characters in Stephen king's books would be if gender of author swapped.. intresting content series it can be😂

@Deadpool4president

7 ай бұрын

Voldemort is incapable of feeling love because he was conceived using a love potion, which is pretty much a date r*pe drug. Bellatrix's secondary personality was being in love with Voldemort (primary being evil and insane). Molly Weasley and Narcissa Malfoy's personalities are being moms. I could go on. If a man wrote the book, I'm not sure how much would actually change.

@HotaraTakeo

7 ай бұрын

@@Deadpool4president For one Hermione would be way hotter and talked less. Same for female professors. And other women lets be honest. I bet a lot of love related magic would be cut and replaced with something manly like friendship between dudes. Date rape thing is way to feminine too so Voldemort would be evil just because he wants to rule the world and make it "better". And Molly/Narcisa wouldn't matter or be dead. In fact Narcisa being dead would be the reason why Draco joined. To take revenge because that's manly.

@omaimaf9963

7 ай бұрын

@@Deadpool4presidentit’s ok to have mom characters being a loving mom can be realistic (also remember that molly had other character development moments like when she hated hermoine for the reeta article) but what’s not ok is when every single character is a stereotype. Harry potter is not perfect but I don’t see this as a flaw.

@christopherbennett5858

7 ай бұрын

Interesting enough, Rowling does tie all the major adult female characters around on Motherhood. But not in a nuanced matter. More in the case of who is a hero or a villain.

@Alwaystired8568

6 ай бұрын

​@@HotaraTakeo no. It would have been like that if any woman other than JK Rowling would have written that. It's truth that these kinds of women characters are written more by women than men.

Written by a man deadass described Yennefer of Vengerberg😭

@HotaraTakeo

7 ай бұрын

Or Black widow. Or Regina.

@breakingsky

7 ай бұрын

HELPP THIS WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT 😭

@Evija3000

7 ай бұрын

Haven't read the books, but in the show it was a bit weird. She decided to give up her ability to have kids because of the beauty and power she would gain, but then turned all bitter and said the ability to have kids was taken away from her and now it was her life's purpose to get that back. Until she again was ready to sacrifice her semi daughter figure to gain her powers back. So what is her main goal? Being a mother or wanting power? ... her character was written so messily in the show.

@omaimaf9963

7 ай бұрын

@@Evija3000and she was willing to adopt a baby when she discovered her “mother instincts” but when that baby turned out dead she didn’t go the obvious “im gonna adopt a baby route” which could’ve lead to a compelling arc for her, instead decides to sacrifice everything to gain back something she willingly gave up.

@Evija3000

7 ай бұрын

@@omaimaf9963 Yeah. Just goes to show it was less about her actually becoming a mother and more about fixing something that made her deficient or inferior in some way.

My favorite female villain is a goddess who broke away from the universal law of balance and is desperately trying to kill that system permanently so that she can become omnipotent, but that law always reincarnates and finds her.

WHY IS NO ONE MENTIONING THEIR OUTFITS??? Its literally so important how male vs female writers dress girls too

This is so accurate omg😭 can we also talk about how annoying male love interests written by (SOME) women are that’s a whole other can of worms😭 Edit: 1. I’m in no way saying men write BETTER at writing female characters than women do for male characters because that just isn’t the case. 2. I’m specifically referring to the “booktok” female authors. Sorry I didn’t specify but that is what I meant. If we are talking about books outside of booktok, female authors usually CAN write male love interests. 3. “booktok” female authors can mostly write male characters as long as they don’t act as love interests. I’m specifically referring to the male love interests. I’m not 100% sure if this is what some people thought I meant (because tbh I skimmed a lot of the long replies). But just so I make it clear, this is what I said, and meant. A lot of men can’t even write female characters love interest or not. Hence why I said that men are not better at writing female characters than women can with male characters. 4. I saw someone saying smth about how when women complain about men people always have to bring up smth women do. That in no way was the intension. Idc that some male love interests are written poorly it doesn’t affect me. This comment was very light hearted. I brought it up because it connects back to the themes of this video. If the roles were reversed and the video was somebody complaining that “women can’t write male characters” (which like I stated above I don’t believe that’s the case) I’ll bring up the fact that female characters written by men are usually much worse. There’s no gender wars here. I am a woman myself guys👋😭 Hope I cleared things up. I didn’t think people would be taking this simple comment so seriously but here we are! 😅

@LovelyplantF3

7 ай бұрын

Am a woman and I agree sometimes it's just-🫥

@jerm-gv9rv

7 ай бұрын

Ehh no worse than the way men write female ANYTHING

@3kojimbles895

7 ай бұрын

his abs glistened moistly as his eyes shimmered as the midday sun in the basement of his megacorp, as the woman writing this gives him 5% of the personality of a regular human person for the sake of wish fuffilment. Ignoring the actual amount of work all the things in his life would actually take up, for the fantasy of pants feelings

@MarkelMathurin

6 ай бұрын

​@@jerm-gv9rvWomen can't write men

@jerm-gv9rv

6 ай бұрын

@@MarkelMathurin lol we’re talking about the extremely specific romance genre then love interests sometimes can be written in unrealistic ways But Women are more likely to make a love interest be anything besides a grooming tycoon And that’s the usual concern with women writing men, a lot of the other tropes people complain about are often written by men as well

If we put all of her… Ickiness aside, Deanerys (or however the hell you spell her name) was actually a pretty good lady villain. She truly believed she was doing good by the people, but she become what she sought to destroy.

@namedrop721

3 ай бұрын

The plot was setting her up very very well for this and I will never forgive D&D for fucking it up because they just stopped caring, rushed the whole damn thing and were like ‘i dunno she cray woman and dragon go brrrrr?’

@lucascarroll4859

2 ай бұрын

Eh idk if she makes a good lady villian, a lot of it leans on genetic determinism which I find to be extremely lame.

@PabbyPabbles

Ай бұрын

She's been wandering the Green Sea for 12+ years now, waiting for some version of her Season 6 moment, eating the wrong berries and drinking the wrong water

Being evil due to a system enacted onto them and primarily as a "I'm a product of your actions" falls more under anti-villain than a villain

You can have a woman villain who happens to be filled by romantic revenge or motherhood based revenge but it has to be done correctly or it does fall into this trope of "I failed as a woman"

Me when characters with BPD are written by ppl without mental health issues

Boosting for the algorithm 🙌 Love your work, keep it up! 🌻🐝

I once made a female character who's big motivation was having kids, but like, she was literally genetically engineered to be good at taking care of kids and watching over them. It wasn't specifically about her failing to fit society, but not being able to do what she wanted most. Her ideal life was a nice quiet one with a child or two to cherish and care for. She was very complex, and while she was ultimately unable to have a biological child, she was able to get a job helping children.

I think the second storyline could 100% work in a setting of medieval times, where she fights back against the patriarchy, in which the hero believes in. Eventually the "hero" is reformed onto the antagonists side and they both fight against the true villain, society!

Not a villain per se but this gives me major yennefer vibes

@MWladimirovna

7 ай бұрын

I get what you mean, but to be fair Yennefer doesn't really want to take care of a child, especially an infant. she wants to be a mother without actually the mothering part. she didn't disagree with that statement as she got called out by Gerald and instead insister on her right to choose for herself 🤷‍♀️

@mokko759

7 ай бұрын

Yennifer is such a garbage character and I really do believe she is a villain. She's certainly never been a good person. She's cruel, manipulative, deceitful, hypocritical, selfish, arrogant, narcissistic traits out the wahzoo. She absolutely believes that ends justify the means and she will use anybody and anything she can in order to do as she pleases. But people are supposed to like her because she's hot and occasionally does something not completely horrible.

I’m sorry, I’m a man and I don’t think I would ever wright a women like that. Though I have DEFINITELY met a lot of guys who have.

@Chris-hx6tm

9 ай бұрын

I'm actually curious, what kind of writing was that of those guys?

@victoriadevleming4572

7 ай бұрын

Had us in the first half, not gonna lie

Ngl I'm stealing that backstory for written by man...Best thing I've ever heard

I honestly like a happy medium between the two.

Unable to find love or a family is a trope regardless of gender. Almost all of your tropes go both ways

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this female villain written by men before… can someone point me to an example??

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

The evil Queen from Snow White? Not a one-for-one match, but jealousy because a younger woman is more beautiful fits the theme.

@Alwaystired8568

6 ай бұрын

​@@shanerooney7288and?? That's the end of list?? So we judge all male writers on the basis of one bad writer?

@shanerooney7288

6 ай бұрын

I was giving the OP an example that fits the *very strict criteria* of a female villain written by a male whose motivations are a lack of motherhood. I'm not making any sort of judgement on male writers. And I believe the OP's intention was that this particular a characterisation is unfitting due to how rare it is. That being said..... An extended list: "Hannibal" (TV series) "The Girl on the Train" (2015) "The Handmaid's Tale" (TV series) "The Light Between Oceans" (2012) "Snow White and the Huntsman" (2012) "Maleficent" (2014) film is written by a female, but is based off the works of Charles Perrault's "sleeping beauty" and Brothers Grimm's "Little Briar Rose"

@jimcannibal4911

6 ай бұрын

@@shanerooney7288 But is the evil queen from snow white an unrealistic character? That literally happens in real life.

@shanerooney7288

6 ай бұрын

@@jimcannibal4911 Lots of things happen in real life. Something can be realistic without being representative. Take for example the fact that she is a queen. Queens are real. Yet queens are also a very Very _VERY_ small percentage of the population. As such, they are not representative. If in the movie a plane crashes from high altitude and the main character survives without the use of a parachute, This would feel very unrealistic. Despite the fact that such things have happened before in real life. Regarding the evil Queen specifically, a jealous narcissist who ruins someone else's life because they are prettier than them ... That's painfully realistic, unfortunately.

"I'm *barren,* so the world must pay" 🤣🤣🤣

One of my female villains that is like that cuz she loved her mother. Basically her mom was a nymph who got kidnapped and r@ped by sorcerer then the mom got killed for protecting her. The sorcerer did also give living tattoos to her against her will, basically living vines. Anyways she eventually kills her dad and lives a nice life as a gang boss. She found some good friends during a war and they made a gang to support and protect whoever needed it, the people who needed it just had to pay them back by doing some service, like cooking, stitching, fishing, pretty much whatever they were good at and they could leave whenever they wanted

It’s so funny Ik they usually aren’t but this video portrays that male written is sexy and tough with male issues whilst female written is thoughtful, independent and genuine- even sometimes morally right. I have NEVER seen this, rather (or atleast in my reads) the male written villians are developed and thoughtful, strong and caring, when female written are “fuck you im gonna shoot you” and relies on EVERYONE ELSE 😂 (I’m a female writer, speaking from experience.)

@saraha.1336

7 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

@kermitthefrog5446

7 ай бұрын

every male written villain i’ve seen was so poorly written it made my eyes bleed every time she was in a scene. your experience is not fact for everyone.

@korral5805

7 ай бұрын

@@kermitthefrog5446 Sorry, but I’m pretty sure I DID say that it was “atleast in my reads” meaning at least what IVE read. Not everyone, me.

@kermitthefrog5446

7 ай бұрын

@@korral5805 i’m just saying lmao. you’re speaking like it’s a common occurrence, when for most people it’s not.

@korral5805

7 ай бұрын

@@kermitthefrog5446 Yeah, mostly depends on the genre but I see where you’re coming from. I typically read fantasy/thrillers and that’s typically how they act so I’m just speaking from experience lol. Happy new years 🫶

Ok, but honestly infertility could be my villain origin story

@srutideka2894

7 ай бұрын

As a pharmacist in a hospital, I have seen many infertile woman and trust me when they have good support system, they have always gone for adoption and turned out to be some of the best parents ever.

@tripleg2513

7 ай бұрын

​@@srutideka2894 key phrase, "when they have a good support system"

I co wrote a female villain for a webcomic that never came to be, she was a scientist who built robots for criminals. She didn't even did that for the money, or for justice, she just lived things that smash other things.

Male villain: I was orphaned, then bullied for most of my life and the system failed me hard. So now it's payback time! Female villain: I just can't have kids lol.

@Petaurista13

5 ай бұрын

Male villain written by woman: is rape child - born w/o ability to love (Voldemort)

I think you forgot about being insanely jealous of someone who’s prettier than you?

Can't villains just be villains because they are just evil? Like, seriously

@TheDiaryOfBella

7 ай бұрын

That’s how I’ve written my villains for my tv series and I also added the aspect of mystery by them not revealing the whole of there plan making it harder to foil

@pumpkinpatch7841

7 ай бұрын

YES!!! Honestly I miss villains that are evil just "because".

@heroawesome8495

7 ай бұрын

Maleficent really cursed a baby because she wasn't invited to the christening. Pure spite and pettiness. Then Disney had to go fuck it up in the reboot.💀

@whaa6894

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@heroawesome8495the Maleficent movie was good. They focused on villain who was “evil just bc” and gave her some more realistic depth.

@heroawesome8495

7 ай бұрын

@@whaa6894 nah I liked her when she was just evil for the sake of evil rather that having a tragic backstory. It's a decent movie in a bubble, but I personally didn't like it.

I think Regina Mills lies somewhere in the middle. Her "Evil Queen" persona is a self-protection mechanism following all the trauma she suffered from her patriarchal upbringing and all its harmful energy channelled directly at her by her mother. Regina was so well-written.

When they both have valid reasons for being evil because motivation is personal and to each their own

So female villains written by females actually aren't villains but misunderstood heros held down by the system?

@shanerooney7288

7 ай бұрын

Did you expect females to take responsibility 😂

this is so real

@steph_matarazzo

9 ай бұрын

😅 thank youuu!

@BoristheromanianBadger-sz7ng

7 ай бұрын

Not really, C.S Lewis wrote good female villains. Also good female villains from avatar the last airbender. (Which was all written by men) also J.R.R Tolkien. Gareth hinds. There’s lots of good male writers also good female ones.

This was two girlbosses talking about maximizing their slay and then it got awkward 😭

Getting flashbacks to the scarlet witch

Now kiss

@untitledchanneI

7 ай бұрын

YES

Every real example I can think of, of the one written by a man, is actually written by a woman

'I'm sorry, what?' - you said it, lady.

I'd add "If I can't experience motherhood, then I can't experience womanhood". And yes, that's something I've heard.