Wo Long Fallen Dynasty - DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S vs Last-Gen Consoles!

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A comprehensive tech review of all every console to receive a Wo Long release. The PS5 and Xbox Series X versions get the premium treatment here: running at up to 1440p at 60 frames per second with boosted visuals. The same however cannot be said of the Series S, which targets 60fps but with glaring cutbacks to its visuals - often putting its textures and effects in line with a last-gen experience.
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  • @gregoriolorenzo8771
    @gregoriolorenzo8771 Жыл бұрын

    Thank God they added a resolution mode on the Series S, so we can chose between 900p or 900p!

  • @bloodgodalucard4769

    @bloodgodalucard4769

    Жыл бұрын

    If they ever did a Switch port then you'd get to choose between 480p 60 fps or 720p slide show modes. XD

  • @pleasuretokill

    @pleasuretokill

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bloodgodalucard4769 lol. There's no way the Switch could do 480p/60fps. It would probably be 480/30 at best. Nintendo REALLY needs to upgrade that pos.

  • @bloodgodalucard4769

    @bloodgodalucard4769

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pleasuretokill Facts. The Switch is basically a toaster. It desperately needs an upgrade.

  • @zZiL341yRj736

    @zZiL341yRj736

    Жыл бұрын

    That's a nice Nintendo Switch.

  • @kasjamm

    @kasjamm

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@bloodgodalucard4769 The switch is a handheld, the series s isn't.

  • @volatilelyle5170
    @volatilelyle5170 Жыл бұрын

    This game honestly looks fun... But if we're gonna be honest, the graphics even on the current gen consoles look like last gen. The graphics don't justify the level of performance.

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes but the series S is holding back gaming like developers and playstation fans said in 2020. Now 3 years later digital foundry is talking about it .

  • @honkabonka3548

    @honkabonka3548

    Жыл бұрын

    there are better looking games on last gen than this how is series s holding devs back this just says bad engine and optimization

  • @chrisg.6509

    @chrisg.6509

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spiritualsoul2711 cyberpunk runs in 1440p 30 and 1080p 60 on the series s while looking much much better. The Series S is really not the problem in this case, the developers didn’t optimize the game well. 1440p 60fps without ray tracing for these graphics on PS5/Series X is an absolute joke.

  • @kf1243

    @kf1243

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spiritualsoul2711 lol stop give poor excuse to team ninja's lack of technical capabilities

  • @apgdanielricardo8196

    @apgdanielricardo8196

    Жыл бұрын

    Graphics aren't everything, that's what people don't understand.

  • @dodgykebaab
    @dodgykebaab Жыл бұрын

    Well done Tom, that must have taken a very long time to investigate considering the amount of platforms and graphic settings.

  • @KarlRock
    @KarlRock Жыл бұрын

    I think I’ll wait for a few patches. Seems to be the way these days!

  • @youtindia

    @youtindia

    Жыл бұрын

    Aah.. the guy who ratted out Yify.

  • @westernshitt732

    @westernshitt732

    Жыл бұрын

    Wait*

  • @stephonhines6554

    @stephonhines6554

    Жыл бұрын

    Just got a patch

  • @zesli350

    @zesli350

    Жыл бұрын

    Félix!! I Love your videos!

  • @gamesfor655

    @gamesfor655

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stephonhines6554 500Mp

  • @martinantelo7086
    @martinantelo7086 Жыл бұрын

    It's a really crude game, technically speaking. Massive requeriments for what it puts on display and lots of slowdown, just wait for later bosses, also lots of enemy and texture-detail popping... Nioh remasters were handled with more care. It's time for Team Ninja to reevaluate their tech. Still, the game is really fun.

  • @OrtadragoonX

    @OrtadragoonX

    Жыл бұрын

    They desperately need a new engine.

  • @danielvillanueva3792
    @danielvillanueva3792 Жыл бұрын

    Series S owner here, I didn’t realize it was only 900p and I have a 4K tv! Anyway I’m still having a blast!

  • @HereComesRockire

    @HereComesRockire

    Жыл бұрын

    I know, I’ve been loving the game and having a great experience on my series S also.

  • @RedEyedDRAG00N

    @RedEyedDRAG00N

    Жыл бұрын

    Sad

  • @jeanmartin7166

    @jeanmartin7166

    Жыл бұрын

    You need to stand quite close to even see a difference

  • @jeanmartin7166

    @jeanmartin7166

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wizzenberry said the npc without knowing the difference between ppi and ppd

  • @sidew8ys

    @sidew8ys

    Жыл бұрын

    It looks so bad man. Its blurry as shit. Maybe I only realized because I played the demo on my PS5, but I’m actually going to buy the game for PS5 instead of playing on gamepass on series s because the visuals are unbearable in comparison

  • @realgamer1998
    @realgamer1998 Жыл бұрын

    Very nice to see that the developers targeted stable framerate and not resolution. Drop in resolution is not that much hurtful during gameplay as drop in fps is. But graphically, we have seen better looking games at FHD even on old consoles.

  • @stevenchorlton6217
    @stevenchorlton6217 Жыл бұрын

    To beat that first boss 11 times for your art shows a level of dedication that I could never even begin imagine : D

  • @juliansalazar7097

    @juliansalazar7097

    Жыл бұрын

    The boss isn’t that hard…

  • @brusik66

    @brusik66

    Жыл бұрын

    Tom didn't have to kill it 11 times, Xbox saves are compatible witch each system as this is gamepass game. PS4 and PS4 Pro are also the same save files, so realistically it was 3 times.

  • @stevenchorlton6217

    @stevenchorlton6217

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brusik66 I know. Can you imagine that I was daft enough to just try and have a bit of fun with it? Thanks so much for clearing it up for everyone though.

  • @alexsandell8260

    @alexsandell8260

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@olskid9546 can you give me some advice? I've never played nioh and the first boss is giving me a migraine.

  • @joemurphy9247

    @joemurphy9247

    Жыл бұрын

    You think my boy Tom Morgan isn't a true gamer???

  • @snaek12
    @snaek12 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Tom! Great review!

  • @EDUB9X3
    @EDUB9X3 Жыл бұрын

    If anyone is still struggling on the first boss, just stand still hold the left bumper all the time even at the second phase and when the animation starts when he is about to strike just press circle or B, then press triangle or Y when a red marker appears at the centre of his stunned body...............easy days.

  • @toranders32

    @toranders32

    Жыл бұрын

    This works asf.

  • @kaikiske7436

    @kaikiske7436

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly. It's weird seeing people having problems with this (while not blocking) 😂

  • @rodneyabrett

    @rodneyabrett

    Жыл бұрын

    The game got a LOT easier for me once I realized that you can still parry while holding the block button. It was similar to The Surge 2 once I realized that the directional parry didn't require precise timing in order to still work.

  • @sergioa2011sa
    @sergioa2011sa Жыл бұрын

    Given the level of visuals on display it feels as if the developers half-assed all versions except the XSX and PS5 :(

  • @Rufnek2014

    @Rufnek2014

    Жыл бұрын

    Reality Check - they half-assed the XX/PS5 versions, which translates into an even worse experience on old consoles...but that's ok, as MSoft has set the bar for a 720/900p experience on the Series S as the standard potato to hold back this gen.

  • @cody3335

    @cody3335

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol if you play consoles and you don’t have one of those two…..then idk what to tell you other than get one because it’s been 2 years.

  • @gmorgcyborg

    @gmorgcyborg

    Жыл бұрын

    The pc port is def not good

  • @Youraveragegamer_97

    @Youraveragegamer_97

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Rufnek2014 that's like devs on pc using DLSS as an excuse to release unoptimized games

  • @jay-one1984

    @jay-one1984

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Rufnek2014 it's running on the Xbone and PS4 too, you cant use the Series S scapegoat for this one buddy lol.

  • @sterlingkart9562
    @sterlingkart9562 Жыл бұрын

    From what it looks like, team ninja might be working on too many projects at once, I appreciate the solid mechanics. However you can almost tell that they are struggling to maintain visual fidelity on each title post nioh 2

  • @proassassin8473

    @proassassin8473

    6 ай бұрын

    There engine is pretty dated. The pop in is always horrendous

  • @cody3335
    @cody3335 Жыл бұрын

    Soulslike game engines be like 🥔

  • @Lock2002ful
    @Lock2002ful Жыл бұрын

    Yess!! Finally! Have been waiting for this one.

  • @Lumilicious
    @Lumilicious Жыл бұрын

    I really hope that the other game they're working on runs on a new engine.

  • @theversatilegenius91

    @theversatilegenius91

    Жыл бұрын

    Rise of Ronin and It's an open world 😰

  • @sloth9210

    @sloth9210

    Жыл бұрын

    Doesn’t look like it, combat is the same as nioh/wo long and it looks just as aliased as those games too- it’s certainly the same engine

  • @SEMARPE

    @SEMARPE

    Жыл бұрын

    time for unreal

  • @monkfishy6348

    @monkfishy6348

    Жыл бұрын

    The engine really isn't too bad. They just struggle to put out a quality product on all of the many platforms. Once we move to current-gen and PC only things should improve.

  • @crazykenbei

    @crazykenbei

    Жыл бұрын

    What new engine? There's a reason they can crank these games out yearly. Lol

  • @lindugger4781
    @lindugger4781 Жыл бұрын

    The least they could have did for resolution mode on the series s was make the resolution 1080p, and make the graphics settings a mix of high, and medium. Instead the mode is so pointless they could have just focused on performance mode entirely and leave the resolution mode out.

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    For a console that's holding back gaming? Should shut up kid and be content with what you get. Either that or upgrade.

  • @lindugger4781

    @lindugger4781

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spiritualsoul2711 Sure, let's act like last-gen consoles still aren't being supported and blame it all on the s. Good job showing how ignorant you are. A console with the same cpu as ps5/seriesx albeit clocked slightly slower, same ssd as the x, capable of ray tracing with it's weaknesses being the weak gpu, and ram is not holding back gaming since if that was the case than low tier pc's are holding back gaming as well. Also calling someone a ''kid'' doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a try hard. Also pretty ironic your username is ''spiritualsoul'' yet your a asshole lol!

  • @nlikeflynn8837
    @nlikeflynn8837 Жыл бұрын

    The latest patch for pc fixed all the issues I was having. Having a blast with this game!

  • @JKSmith-qs2ii
    @JKSmith-qs2ii Жыл бұрын

    I love Thomas' videos! Great review Tom!

  • @kuba_wasikowski
    @kuba_wasikowski Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tom!

  • @Andrew-wb2zq
    @Andrew-wb2zq Жыл бұрын

    I don’t understand what about this game is so taxing that it can’t even lock 60 FPS. We were promised serious performance with this new generation!

  • @jasonf7072

    @jasonf7072

    Жыл бұрын

    Well part of the reason is devs have to try & optimize for too many different platforms & modes. “This new generation” still tries to make games that work on old gen so everything suffers because of it

  • @Ayoul

    @Ayoul

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jasonf7072 Yes and no. It's not like it doesn't have some impact, but at this point these engines should be mature enough to run well on old hardware and cross gen releases aren't a new concept.

  • @mozzergaming4826

    @mozzergaming4826

    Жыл бұрын

    I knew it was going to have dodgy performance and/or visuals when I heard it was going into Potato Pass Day One, LOL

  • @jasonf7072

    @jasonf7072

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ayoul Yes cross gen isn’t a new concept but games now are also more complex and harder to make than they were back then. That’s why we generally see larger gaps between sequels (or just games from the same studio) than we did in the past.

  • @nonyabusiness6084

    @nonyabusiness6084

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@jayroman3384 The little boy is just looking for attention and you gave it to him.

  • @johanstenborg1465
    @johanstenborg1465 Жыл бұрын

    Will there be a video covering the PC version?

  • @3diamonds524
    @3diamonds524 Жыл бұрын

    I can't get enough of this game. I'm almost done with new game plus and hitting the level cap. It's hard at first but gets easier with practice. It's fun and addictive once everything clicks.

  • @dingo535
    @dingo535 Жыл бұрын

    Always happy to hear Tom on the call ! Pretty cool that this game is on gamepass

  • @goldmemberpb
    @goldmemberpb Жыл бұрын

    Man, seeing these brand new games meant for the ps5/series x on ps4/xbone feels like we are back to the old 360/ps3 days with really bad frame pacing, near 720p resolution, and barely hitting 30 fps.

  • @Andrew-wb2zq

    @Andrew-wb2zq

    Жыл бұрын

    Great point. Everything runs terribly and doesn’t sewn to have the visuals to justify it.

  • @cutiepieya6501

    @cutiepieya6501

    Жыл бұрын

    Lazy ass developers, with PS3 graphics, this game is running at 1220p on the PS5 and Xbox One X. What a joke. The PC version is in shambles, and the Series S version is completely compromised. Even as a Nioh fan, I am not going to pick up this game until it is in $5 trash Ben.

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    It's 30fps as digital foundry just said it's the frame pacing. Got a problem upgrade ..Team ninja isn't catering to last gen decade old consoles!🤡 If you want 60fps go play stranger of paradise.

  • @lordspalse0062

    @lordspalse0062

    Жыл бұрын

    I've actually stopped bothering with buying games. I'm done with the nonsense going on with the gaming industry. The pathetic current gen consoles and cross gen support doesn't help matters either.

  • @bigdaddynero

    @bigdaddynero

    Жыл бұрын

    It's made by a lazy Japanese dev with people that most likely can't be fired regardless of how terrible of a job they do. Team ninja was virtually inactive after their attempt with Ninja Gaiden 3, which was garbage. The studio was probably budget cut and replaced with a bunch of old-school devs who don't understand the new tech nor how to optimize their games.

  • @arsonal3
    @arsonal3 Жыл бұрын

    Been enjoying it with Game Pass on the Series S. Good fun, and after seeing the comparisons, I think I"m fine with this version. Sure, it is paired down, but It runs fine in my book.

  • @jousefrabti162

    @jousefrabti162

    Жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @jamescole3143
    @jamescole3143 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you DF !

  • @FLarezzedits
    @FLarezzedits Жыл бұрын

    Any plans for a pc port review of this one?

  • @thanksbetotap
    @thanksbetotap Жыл бұрын

    Can anyone share how the DualSense support is in this game? Does it have “real” haptics, or just standard rumble?

  • @mananalwadhi9011
    @mananalwadhi9011 Жыл бұрын

    At this rate, we might end up seeing 480p games by the end of the generation.

  • @abhi_sh3_k

    @abhi_sh3_k

    Жыл бұрын

    FSR 9.0 to the rescue

  • @pleasuretokill

    @pleasuretokill

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it's time for devs to start dropping support for the OG Xbox and PS. We are simply past what they can do. Those CPUs just can't keep up nowadays.

  • @finalfrontergaming

    @finalfrontergaming

    Жыл бұрын

    Team Ninja has never been that good at optimizing bro. Ni-Oh 2 should run at native 4k at 60fps with all the graphical fidelity features the ps5 can offer but it doesn't. Ni-Oh 2 runs at 720p to 900p on a ps4 to reach 60fps. Team Ninja is just terrible at optimizing. None of their game are lookers and something people praise for visuals. Shit, Rise of the Ronin is a ps5 exclusive and a 2024 release, and Ghost of Tsushima on ps4 looks better than that game and it's a 2020 release. Imagine what Ghost of Tsushima 2 will look like as a ps5 exclusive.

  • @applehazeva2739

    @applehazeva2739

    Жыл бұрын

    @@abhi_sh3_k ya'll noticed that since DLSS and FSR Support grew, System specs for Games became more High End for no valid reason? Almost like NVIDEA pays Devs to make they're Games shitty so they can excuse their expensive cards with DLSS

  • @mauriciochacon

    @mauriciochacon

    Жыл бұрын

    Unreal engine 5 will be 1080p30 with luck on these consoles. Even fornite ue5 is like 1080p60 lol

  • @yanayana5408
    @yanayana5408 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for the video.

  • @DenzilPeters
    @DenzilPeters Жыл бұрын

    Honestly for a game that looks like this I would expect 4K60 locked. Not native 4K even just some upscaling method to get the resolution higher would do the job but stable 60 should be possible considering the power of the current gen consoles.

  • @SquintyGears
    @SquintyGears Жыл бұрын

    So they only really made 2 settings and everything else is scaled through resolution. This cuts out massive amounts of testing but it's disappointing for those that aren't on PS5 and X because the 4pro, oneX and series S could probably each look better with tailored settings.

  • @guybrushthreepwood8174
    @guybrushthreepwood8174 Жыл бұрын

    my experience on series X so far in FPS mode has been pretty good, turning on Freesync seemed to help a little. Also, getting a frame drop during a deflect or critical attack animation is not as bad as getting the frame drop right BEFORE i'm supposed to deflect. i have only made it slightly past the first real boss, (General of Man), and i have heard some players say they got crashes and greater performance drops later on in the game.

  • @rodneyabrett

    @rodneyabrett

    Жыл бұрын

    There's this level in the sewers with this pinkish water that for some reason occasionally makes the game drop frames to the point where some areas move in slo-motion for me, but that was the most egregious performance issue I ran into

  • @ultrasliberi8897

    @ultrasliberi8897

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@rodneyabrett from Xbox series x ?

  • @shinramiddlemanager7949
    @shinramiddlemanager7949 Жыл бұрын

    I wonder how the graphs would read for the Hidden Village of Mt. Tianzhushan. I swear that open area totally tanks something on my Series X. Certainly as I climb up the tower to the Golden Cicada Shell guy.

  • @nlikeflynn8837

    @nlikeflynn8837

    Жыл бұрын

    Some areas of the village and the level with the same type of greenery slows my beast pc to a crawl. But it doesn’t happen in any other area of the game. So weird!

  • @Alexander5R
    @Alexander5R3 ай бұрын

    Are you using the Men in Black music from the first movie?

  • @alephnole7009
    @alephnole7009 Жыл бұрын

    I would love to see a comparison between the PS4 version of Wo Long and the PS4 version of Nioh 1. To see if they made any actually improvements compared to a game made for that console that actually has a 60fps mode.

  • @GrindingGhoul

    @GrindingGhoul

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too. I played the Wo Long demo on PS4 and I thought it ran and looked terrible, sadly. Nioh was much better in every regard.

  • @alephnole7009

    @alephnole7009

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GrindingGhoul played Nioh 1 on PS4, thought it ran and looked great for the time and hardware. Playing 2 right now on PC and it still looks pretty much the same as a last gen console game. Runs better but that's about it. Can't even boot Wo Long demo on my PC. So...

  • @melxb

    @melxb

    Жыл бұрын

    I think Nioh on PS4 definitely looks better than Wo Long on PS4

  • @ussessu

    @ussessu

    Жыл бұрын

    Nioh runs great on ps4 while Wo Long runs very bad.

  • @77-7-

    @77-7-

    Жыл бұрын

    wo long loading time is really bad

  • @bcd398
    @bcd398 Жыл бұрын

    "Looks like a last gen title but with 60fps, and improved loading times" .. Honestly, last gen was visually appealing, especially toward the end. It was always the choppy 30fps that killed the experience for me. This game could do worse. I actually think it looks slightly better than last gen, but plays extremely smooth in comparison. Gotham Knights remains the worst case scenario - last gen graphics with last gen performance. I will not shame devs that give us 1440p and 60fps. I know we were promised more, but this is very acceptable imo.

  • @xtr.7662

    @xtr.7662

    Жыл бұрын

    are you kidding on the series s and last gen consoles it literally looks like a ps3 game

  • @bcd398

    @bcd398

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xtr.7662 I disagree, but to each his or her own

  • @xtr.7662

    @xtr.7662

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bcd398 it looks worse than sekiro a similar type of game and many other 2010s games and in some ways against its predecessors nioh 1 and 2 but on the series s and last gen consoles the texture quality is certainly that of x360 and ps3 games

  • @pleasuretokill

    @pleasuretokill

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xtr.7662 no. It literally doesnt look like a PS3 game. Not even close. The PS3 would explode trying to run this game at 360p. You need to look up the definition of "literally"....and then educate yourself on what PS3 games looked like. The texture quality is light years better than PS3/Xbox 360 games....jfc...

  • @bigdaddynero

    @bigdaddynero

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bcd398 Get some glasses. This isn't a matter of opinion.

  • @lordspalse0062
    @lordspalse0062 Жыл бұрын

    It's wise to stick with your 1080p Tv for ps5 and series X because that's where we're heading shortly.

  • @BABBALUCCI315

    @BABBALUCCI315

    Жыл бұрын

    Smh… no excuse for poor optimization on current gen consoles.

  • @DrJones20

    @DrJones20

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what I've been doing. Not gonna buy a 4K tv.

  • @lordspalse0062

    @lordspalse0062

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DrJones20 The industry as a whole is just playing stupid games with gamers' intelligence.

  • @ascjn
    @ascjn Жыл бұрын

    Some later areas has significant more performance issues than initial areas, at least on PC, not even capping at 30 fps with everything set to maximum performance solves the problem, this on a rtx 3070 and ryzen 5700x.

  • @stardomplays1386

    @stardomplays1386

    Жыл бұрын

    Pretty weak GPU in today's age

  • @carlososorno

    @carlososorno

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@stardomplays1386 weak gpu vs a ps2 game lul

  • @stardomplays1386

    @stardomplays1386

    Жыл бұрын

    @@carlososorno YEP. That's the reality known as the modern PC tax. You need enough headroom to brute force shit optimization

  • @ApotheosisDivine69
    @ApotheosisDivine69 Жыл бұрын

    Tom's reviews are always well done and I love his style! Another great review by the best member of the D.F. team!

  • @craigspalding2622

    @craigspalding2622

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Mr Morgan

  • @dhivydhimanth1960
    @dhivydhimanth1960 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly this game is such a blast. The combat is just tightly packed - not too much to make it overwhelming and not too simple to make it a breeze. It's just a lot of fun on the series S After the first boss, I honestly expected the next bosses to immediately be 3 phase and 4 phase bosses, but nope. Turns out the tutorial boss is the hardest boss (atleast till the 4th stage) This is my first souls type game and I have to say, I always thought these games were just rock hard designed for masochists (and some of them are definitely that), but this game has such an interesting combat system that I ended up recommending it to literally everyone of my friends. I've awakened to this absolutely fair challenge of a game and my next game purchase is definitely Elden Ring!

  • @cutiepieya6501

    @cutiepieya6501

    Жыл бұрын

    Lazy ass developers, with PS3 graphics, this game is running at 1220p on the PS5 and Xbox One X. What a joke. The PC version is in shambles, and the Series S version is completely compromised. Even as a Nioh fan, I am not going to pick up this game until it is in $5 trash Ben.

  • @dhivydhimanth1960

    @dhivydhimanth1960

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cutiepieya6501 I understand your concern, But resolutions aren't everything. Sure they help with legibility, but a low resolution image with good post processing can look better than just a clean high resolution image. So maybe give it a try - it's a ton of fun. After the first few minutes, your eyes adjust to it and it doesn't look bad. I've honestly never cared about having high resolutions or the latest graphics or anything. If a game is fun, that's all that matters to me. And also, the game is on Xbox game pass. That's how I tried it out, and I highly recommend getting game pass for just a month if you're interested in this type of game but don't feel like spending full price on the game

  • @Jadfisk

    @Jadfisk

    Жыл бұрын

    This being your first souls is impressive. The enemies are extremely aggressive and in your face, so until a new player (or even a souls veteran) understands the parry deflect move, they are going to have a bad time. Well done sir 💪

  • @dhivydhimanth1960

    @dhivydhimanth1960

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Jadfisk Wow Thank you good sir. I've always been the type of player who learns everything there is about a system, and then engages with it. Plus I just love parrying lol. So one of the first things I learnt was the parry. It definitely helped that this game has a good robust combat system with telegraphed attacks so they're challenging but fair to react to. It's a testament to the skill of the developers. It's a ton of fun and the unique mechanic of the "Morale" system meant if I died, I just had to grind it out a few times to increase my morale rank and then go forward. This is besides the point, but holy shit this is my first interaction with someone related to video games which has been positive. I wish everyone was this positive. But reality is that literally all comments are either console warriors or something. So thank you for being positive!

  • @cutiepieya6501

    @cutiepieya6501

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dhivydhimanth1960 bro I am pc user 😭 😭 and this game is literally unplayable on PC.

  • @TrazisBack
    @TrazisBack Жыл бұрын

    3 days on the first boss here. Finally GOT HIM.

  • @Mister_Superfly
    @Mister_Superfly Жыл бұрын

    I think the problem is also again trying to make it for last gen consoles too, it doesn't appeal visually like an upgrade to the engine they use, of course its a nightmare but it will make more sense to dedicate it to current gen platforms. Great video.

  • @HaroldTheWizardCat
    @HaroldTheWizardCat Жыл бұрын

    Every day I regret getting the S over the X

  • @leon6257
    @leon6257 Жыл бұрын

    I still believe Nioh 2 (Including DLC's) was their best game. Wu long gameplay feels like ,a prototype for what Nioh turns out to be. I think Nioh 2 has a + on every aspect of gameplay.

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    Comparing a sequel with all expansions to a brand new iP less then a week old is laughable. Considering Nioh 2 base game was a Worse game with no dlc. The dlc transformed it into a different and better experience.

  • @raminMTL

    @raminMTL

    Жыл бұрын

    Totally opposite feelings. I prefer this in all respects to Nioh

  • @Superdazzu2

    @Superdazzu2

    Жыл бұрын

    agree

  • @kaikiske7436

    @kaikiske7436

    Жыл бұрын

    @@raminMTL agree. Wo Long >> Nioh (imo)

  • @envoyofrot7046

    @envoyofrot7046

    Жыл бұрын

    Wo Longs Sekiro-style gameplay feels much better to me than Nioh

  • @rainbowisticfarts
    @rainbowisticfarts Жыл бұрын

    When we asked for more soulslikes we meant estus and checkpoints! not bad frame pacing too!

  • @zhaf
    @zhaf Жыл бұрын

    When will the consoles let us lock 40fps and use 120fps refresh rate. Then resolution mode will jot just be there for taking pretty screenshots.

  • @Mo-pt2ml
    @Mo-pt2ml Жыл бұрын

    The visual downgrades on series S is unacceptable. The series S isn’t that weak a machine to get last gen like graphical quality.

  • @Roknavas
    @Roknavas Жыл бұрын

    The more time passes, the happier I get I sold my s and got the x

  • @razor15593

    @razor15593

    Жыл бұрын

    Of course man!!! I say many times better buy xsx cause what gain buy xss? Hard cut spec console with problems in many games and looks bad and this going to worse and worse by time, xsx is invest for all generation good quality.

  • @Starless85
    @Starless85 Жыл бұрын

    Yeah i switched from fr mode to resolution on my PS5 and was confused cuz it was still very smooth. Makes sense now. I have VRR so I’ll just stick with Resolution mode.

  • @01afj
    @01afj Жыл бұрын

    I think the resolution mode was left unlocked for people with vrr displays and when the ps5 pro launches

  • @seydaneen8970
    @seydaneen8970 Жыл бұрын

    definitely a B team effort while the main crew works on the rise of the ronin

  • @andrethevegan_
    @andrethevegan_ Жыл бұрын

    Optimization is needed everywhere

  • @numnuts44
    @numnuts44 Жыл бұрын

    I don't wish Alex to work on projects he gets no joy from but I wonder if a PC port as bad as this one should warrant a short demolition from him. Either included in the main video or on DF Direct, from which you could cut for a possibly upcoming clips channel?

  • @ItsAkile
    @ItsAkile Жыл бұрын

    what a undertaking for one video, Tom you can sleep now

  • @husix8876
    @husix8876 Жыл бұрын

    We live in a time where 2023 Games look like they could have released in 2014 with those visuals

  • @beef-o-juice

    @beef-o-juice

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JamieRobert_ not the issue

  • @raresmacovei8382

    @raresmacovei8382

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm sure this looks better than both Dark Souls 2 or Lords of the Fallen

  • @edh615

    @edh615

    Жыл бұрын

    and runs like crap on a i9/4090

  • @Coxy_Wrecked

    @Coxy_Wrecked

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@raresmacovei8382 But those were bad looking games when they launched. So🤷‍♂️

  • @sishirshrestha1783

    @sishirshrestha1783

    Жыл бұрын

    Fr tho, this game looks worse than dark souls 3 released 7 years ago

  • @FranzKafkaRockOpera
    @FranzKafkaRockOpera Жыл бұрын

    I love the Souls games and I agree that "Souls-like" is a perfectly fine descriptor if you want to communicate the basic feel of this kind gameplay as succinctly as possible, but I gotta say it stings a little to see a Team Ninja game described that way considering how long they've been doing these types of tough, deliberate action games that require you to commit to actions. (The Sekiro influence is hard to dispute, though!)

  • @zZiL341yRj736

    @zZiL341yRj736

    Жыл бұрын

    The Dark Souls games gimmick on endless death makes sense in term of the world. These copy cat "Souls like," games with human enemies coming back to life needs to just stop, because it doesn't make any sense.

  • @ultrachocobo4795

    @ultrachocobo4795

    Жыл бұрын

    Ninja Gaiden is closer to dmc than it is to a souls like, Dead or Alive is a completely different genre and in the 2 Warrior Games as well as Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 you had to commit to nothing. Only Nioh and Nioh 2 are tough, deliberate action games that are unique enough not to get called a souls like albeit similiarities. Wo Long is a lot of fun but its very clear that this is closer to a sekiro or even a traditional souls game than it is towards nioh or strangers of paradise which is why calling it souls like is absoutely justified imo.

  • @FranzKafkaRockOpera

    @FranzKafkaRockOpera

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@ultrachocobo4795 That's fair. I was thinking more of the original sprite-based Ninja Gaidens but I realise it's starting to become something of an ancient reference at this point. The fact that they've gone from arguably inspiring FromSoft to being inspired by them is pretty indisputable at any rate.

  • @iurigrang

    @iurigrang

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zZiL341yRj736 That’s gotta be the silliest reason for disliking a game I’ve ever heard. I guess you also puke when you quit the game and the characters stop existing, because that doesn’t make sense? Or maybe you thoroughly dislike every game with a pause button, because you can’t stop time according to the lore? Actually screw that, what’s up with having UX at all? The world has no explanation for a health bar existing, or a tutorial message, let alone a menu.

  • @iurigrang

    @iurigrang

    Жыл бұрын

    it’s not even like the death mechanics are 100% air-tight lore-wise in these games either. Pretty much every boss phase transition is pretty irreversible (With limbs being cut out and all), yet, if you die to the second phase, all that is miraculously reversed.

  • @trafalgarlaw6549
    @trafalgarlaw6549 Жыл бұрын

    Boss in series X making the same special is 44fps while in ps5 is 51fps having more objects on screen. Saying Ps5 is less stable than Series X, watching this scene I mention in your video, makes me think that you lied in your statement.

  • @cristiansalinas4436
    @cristiansalinas4436 Жыл бұрын

    They are not going to put together a special of the new remastered of Fatal Frame?

  • @facuuaf
    @facuuaf Жыл бұрын

    We've reached a point where last gen versions of new games look worse than actual last gen games

  • @pool842
    @pool842 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly, after playing Eldon ring I don't think people who buy these games played for the graphics. We could probably have no graphics and look like stickman and people would still play and say it's awesome lol

  • @akiri1976
    @akiri19768 ай бұрын

    Some later missions has constant fps drops in performance mode on XSX. It’s so bad I had to continue playing on Pc.

  • @rydoggsc2
    @rydoggsc2 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the informative vid. Would love timestamps to make it even better

  • @marcinbrak7052
    @marcinbrak7052 Жыл бұрын

    I wish you'd address issues like pop in which is pretty aggressive - I usually don't mind it but in Wo Long, it's sometimes just comical, with major details like fire or light in some windows popping in and out based on the distance. Also, it's a perfect example why some games should be tested for longer than a few hours each, as in the later parts of the game there are some boss fights that put the framerate well below 50fps and even just looking around at certain spots results in serious hitching and fps drops. In most games I don't care but the combination of Wo Long looking very much old gen and in later parts running like an old gen version of a new gen game even on Series X, it's just bad.

  • @rosco3866
    @rosco3866 Жыл бұрын

    I got this on release day on Gamepass. Ran like absolute crap on a 3090Ti, so I paid 70 euro for the PS5 version. I dont regret it. They also need to put this last gen to bed, its has had its day in the sun. Time to stop diverting resources to ancient hardware

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    I have 1060ti And runs silky smooth 🥰🥰

  • @waterprincess6444

    @waterprincess6444

    Жыл бұрын

    You got robbed for $70

  • @davidandrew6855

    @davidandrew6855

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spiritualsoul2711 I did not know they made a 1060TI

  • @tfhud4398
    @tfhud4398 Жыл бұрын

    So should i play it on my base ps4?

  • @felisasininus1784
    @felisasininus1784 Жыл бұрын

    Great pronunciation of Wo Long. It means crouching dragon btw.

  • @sonnieslim5973
    @sonnieslim5973 Жыл бұрын

    Pretty obvious developers just aren’t bothering to do any work on series s. It’s way more capable than this result

  • @Rebelscum264
    @Rebelscum264 Жыл бұрын

    Is it time for next gen yet? 😭

  • @oliverman6168

    @oliverman6168

    Жыл бұрын

    Ue5 overdue

  • @MaxIronsThird

    @MaxIronsThird

    Жыл бұрын

    Nah, it's time for people to learn to code properly.

  • @fcukugimmeausername

    @fcukugimmeausername

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@oliverman6168 UE5 will only mean back to 30fps for consoles.

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@MaxIronsThird you don't even know how to code yourself fool. That's like telling a professional football player or whatever sport to learn how to play the game when he's making money off throwing a ball around. With the series s Holding back gaming you shouldn't expect much!

  • @MaxIronsThird

    @MaxIronsThird

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spiritualsoul2711 Damn, everything you said is wrong, first i do code, second you don't need to play footbal to know someone is bad at it, third Series S ain't holding anyone.

  • @xilonqmb
    @xilonqmb Жыл бұрын

    Of course we gamers, as consumers, have the right to demand the best quality of the products we buy. But I also understand that game development is f***ing difficult and, if they can deliver a very good game with okay visuals and performance, I'm good with that. I still have some games on my backlog before Wo Long, but I'm excited to put my hands on it.

  • @kharlopena7512
    @kharlopena7512 Жыл бұрын

    Team Ninja used to be GODLY with tech side of their game design. Hard to believe this is the same developer that once gave us Ninja Gaiden Black and Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate. I guess, technically, it's not the same team makeup but...

  • @HEROm7
    @HEROm7 Жыл бұрын

    PC when?

  • @ninjashrimpgaming2657
    @ninjashrimpgaming2657 Жыл бұрын

    Really liking the gameplay

  • @JamieRobert_

    @JamieRobert_

    Жыл бұрын

    Stop lying to yourself

  • @spiritualsoul2711

    @spiritualsoul2711

    Жыл бұрын

    Click on "Jamie Roberts" profile icon to look at his recent comments. This is a weirdo loser in summary 😊

  • @T.O.Wallee
    @T.O.Wallee Жыл бұрын

    Should have cover the loading time as well. Team Ninja didn’t optimize this

  • @stephonhines6554

    @stephonhines6554

    Жыл бұрын

    That's probably why he didn't show it

  • @thanasispinkflo
    @thanasispinkflo Жыл бұрын

    I play it on series x and i have constantly frame pacing issues

  • @keoki101
    @keoki101 Жыл бұрын

    To put it bluntly, this game is not optimized very well

  • @Mickice
    @Mickice Жыл бұрын

    PS5 the way to go this gen.

  • @dao.y4460
    @dao.y4460 Жыл бұрын

    no loading times tested?

  • @theversatilegenius91
    @theversatilegenius91 Жыл бұрын

    Please tell me they are not using the same engine for Rise of Ronin

  • @KingfishWatch
    @KingfishWatch Жыл бұрын

    This is one of those games where i really need to question why even have 2 really not so different modes at this point. It's like Red Faction Guerrila remarster on Xbox One X where you have 4k\30 option and 1800p\60 (this is not a typo)

  • @xtr.7662

    @xtr.7662

    Жыл бұрын

    did you even watch the video the performance one is much more stable

  • @AlexAnteroLammikko

    @AlexAnteroLammikko

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xtr.7662 Right, which is why you should only have the performance mode as the resolution mode does nothing but make the game worse without improving......resolution.

  • @KingfishWatch

    @KingfishWatch

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AlexAnteroLammikko It's not even that much of the improvement (like, performance res is like 10% of 1440p image?) Why not make like proper 4k\30fps for people who want that (which is weirdly enough exactly what they did on Series S version)

  • @KingfishWatch

    @KingfishWatch

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xtr.7662 You just scrolled to framerates and skipped resolution comparison didn't you?

  • @deadeye_john
    @deadeye_john Жыл бұрын

    What about the PC version?

  • @CZProductions

    @CZProductions

    Жыл бұрын

    Awful don't touch it

  • @samuraienggine

    @samuraienggine

    Жыл бұрын

    PC version is hella broken. Like every game that came out for PC Graphic bugs, bad perfomance, camera control bug.. it's just bad on PC

  • @paulocezar8833

    @paulocezar8833

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely trash port

  • @Praxss

    @Praxss

    Жыл бұрын

    Its fucked up thing

  • @deadeye_john

    @deadeye_john

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@samuraienggineI want Digital Foundry to say about it. Not you

  • @litmcgee5900
    @litmcgee5900 Жыл бұрын

    can you look at the PC version?

  • @fossilfern
    @fossilfern Жыл бұрын

    Team Ninja has been one of my favourite developers for years but lately their tech hasn’t been keeping up which wasn’t always the case in the past. Oh well the game is fun.

  • @almutama9453
    @almutama9453 Жыл бұрын

    It has glimpses of next-gen with the dense and tessellated geometry and pretty nice materials here and there, but the inconsistent shadow maps and odd bugs are pretty off-putting. Hopefully they'll patch that out soon.

  • @bhargavapothakamuri4218
    @bhargavapothakamuri4218 Жыл бұрын

    Never had so much PTST watching the death scenes in this video. No footage of Lu Bu.

  • @JC-kl3uc

    @JC-kl3uc

    Жыл бұрын

    Lu Bu is something ellse. My favorite duel since Genichiro.

  • @bhargavapothakamuri4218

    @bhargavapothakamuri4218

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JC-kl3uc you can get good with that, that’s Sekiro, it also has surprisingly decent stealth mechanics. This Lu Bu fight is just really bad. The windups doesn’t help on parry timing, makes it inconsistent. Out of 5 critical moves by him, I learnt to parry 4 and the 1 thing where he revolves the the spade around his head and hits. I miss it every time. And it eats away my health.

  • @SolidBoss7
    @SolidBoss7 Жыл бұрын

    10:26 poor One S didn't even get character shadow

  • @Ceredante
    @Ceredante Жыл бұрын

    As a Series X player I had to stop playing due to the frame pacing when the game drops below 60fps. Stuttering EVERYWHERE.

  • @mozzergaming4826

    @mozzergaming4826

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what $10 a month buys you my friend, half assed games stuttering EVERYWHERE, LOL

  • @itsmorbtime2536

    @itsmorbtime2536

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mozzergaming4826 Nice narrative fanboy,ps5 is same as xbox version and falls behind a bit,any stutter on xbox would be worse on ps5 and you guys pays 70$ dollars for it lmao

  • @TheBean87

    @TheBean87

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mozzergaming4826wow you guys really don’t have a brain eh?

  • @mozzergaming4826

    @mozzergaming4826

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheBean87 Clearly not cos I don't know what you're on about...

  • @TheBean87

    @TheBean87

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mozzergaming4826 glad we agree.

  • @Episode_13
    @Episode_13 Жыл бұрын

    Looks decent :) but I think a few more patches are needed!

  • @matthewjuarbe5826

    @matthewjuarbe5826

    Жыл бұрын

    PC Port is even worse constant Shader Compilation stutters. uneven frame pacing poor cpu utilization due to poor DX12 implementation Alex is gonna love it.

  • @capcomfan82
    @capcomfan82 Жыл бұрын

    Im enjoying the game but I remember being blown away with the trailers and now that im playing it, the graphics are lack luster. Its not terrible but it could be better. Demons souls looks absolutely stunning and these games are very similar, they could have stepped it up.

  • @stephonhines6554
    @stephonhines6554 Жыл бұрын

    That first boss is something else

  • @brusik66

    @brusik66

    Жыл бұрын

    Not if you know how the game mechanics are working. You can stack morale up to 20 level or higher on enemies before the boss. This will make the encounter a lot easier as you will do a lot more damage.

  • @cosmosofinfinity

    @cosmosofinfinity

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brusik66 Are you really meant to grind on mob enemies for that long every time there's a boss gate you didn't win the first try on?

  • @brusik66

    @brusik66

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cosmosofinfinityyou don't have to but otherwise the boss will be a lot more difficult. Second boss is easy in compare, I've beat him up on second try without using a single potion.

  • @billygunn6185
    @billygunn6185 Жыл бұрын

    Series S is a huge mistake

  • @Radek494

    @Radek494

    Жыл бұрын

    5 more years of it holding us back. In few months cross gen games will stop coming and XSS will hold games back. In fact most games after Q2 are skipping last gen.

  • @osskeet
    @osskeet Жыл бұрын

    I just don't understand. These next gen consoles are supposed to be so powerful but they can't even hold solid 60fps on a lot of games. Why? Maybe in 2037 consoles will hold a solid fps

  • @OrtadragoonX

    @OrtadragoonX

    Жыл бұрын

    Developer optimization. Or lack thereof. That’s the biggest problem. Not the hardware. These consoles were the best we were going to get somewhat affordably. Developers have received good hardware. But many of them aren’t leveraging it correctly.

  • @michaelstandeven1353

    @michaelstandeven1353

    Жыл бұрын

    @@OrtadragoonX I agree with this, Japanese developers have always been notorious for their lack of optimization. I think games where these devs can focus on one console end up really solid, but thats about it. Game design and mechanics over everything else.

  • @lordspalse0062

    @lordspalse0062

    Жыл бұрын

    The ps5 is a white ps4 pro with ssd. Stop deceiving yourselves. This is no current gen console. Nice corporate scam from Sony though. 1080p 43fps for actual current gen games.

  • @OrtadragoonX

    @OrtadragoonX

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lordspalse0062 Dude the CPU blows the old Jaguar out of the water. That is what held the old 8th generation back so badly. The underpowered ultrabook class Jaguar CPU cores. The Pro’s CPU refinement was very minor compared to its GPU enhancement. The GPUs are also a huge upgrade, though. The PS5 is roughly in line with a RTX 2070 Super. A huge upgrade over the PS4 Pro, which is somewhere around a GTX 1650 (maybe even a GTX 1050ti) when playing at 30FPS. Both PS4 Pro and PS5 can punch above their weight class thanks to how optimized console games are compared to their PC equivalents. But the point is that from a hardware standpoint, it’s no contest between the two. It’s developers. Not the hardware. These are the most balanced consoles (PS5 and Series X) developers have ever received in the history of console gaming, with very few obvious bottlenecks. But they have got to optimize them correctly.

  • @90lancaster
    @90lancaster Жыл бұрын

    +8.08 I had to double check the video settings, that looks like KZread on 240p mode to me.

  • @valk5041
    @valk5041 Жыл бұрын

    The battle of Hulaogaun mission on performance mode on ps5 is where i noticed the most frame drops when the fire and snow was on the screen at the same time

  • @Silikone
    @Silikone Жыл бұрын

    Wo Long Johnson.

  • @mozzergaming4826

    @mozzergaming4826

    Жыл бұрын

    Woah! Long Johnson!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @RegalPixelKing
    @RegalPixelKing Жыл бұрын

    It's insane that the base Xbox One S isn't even HD. I thought we were does with sub-HD visuals once the 8th generation began.

  • @OrtadragoonX

    @OrtadragoonX

    Жыл бұрын

    Nope. Although to be fair this is mostly a lack of optimization.

  • @doyouthinkitsdead
    @doyouthinkitsdead Жыл бұрын

    Guess I'll wait til it's sorted out a bit! Looks fun tho!

  • @SlayerSeraph
    @SlayerSeraph Жыл бұрын

    Video could benefit from Timestamp Chapters for each big part and machine tested. Also the fact this game doesn't have 120 fps VRR mode support is a huge shame.

  • @Lloydo111
    @Lloydo111 Жыл бұрын

    Such a brilliant title! Team ninja do some of the best gameplays.. it has depth as always and just mindless fun , what i wished they changed here was the loot! It was so much in nioh so why not try something different, but other then that i loved the atmosphere, IU design and the feel of combat is masterful!

  • @Kewickviper

    @Kewickviper

    Жыл бұрын

    Totally disagree. The combat feels like a severly budget and stripped down sekiro. Combat is literally just wait for an attack, press parry on the obvious and easy timing, follow up with Y/Triangle. Rince repeat until the boss is dead within a few minutes. The spells are bad and there's basically no reason to use them, same with the martial arts since parrying and using the finisher does the most dmg and is very easy to pull off. Outside of that the combat feels extremely budget and arcadey, its not smooth or fun at all. Having dodge be the same button as parry is so stupid as well, there's almost no point in dodging in this game so on the odd occasion I use it accidently it's annoying because I could have parried.

  • @xtr.7662

    @xtr.7662

    Жыл бұрын

    its a fun game like strangers of paradise however technically its still bad lol

  • @Superdazzu2

    @Superdazzu2

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kewickviper agree, it's also a lot more boring than nioh combat, at least nioh had stances and better spells.

  • @sakuragi1062

    @sakuragi1062

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kewickviper To be Honest even Sekiro’s combat isn’t all that complex either besides the Mikiri counter and deflect mechanics Sekiro’s combat is very repetitive and basic you cant do different builds in Sekiro and you pretty much stuck with 1 main weapon and just prostetics for secondary weapon and the skill tree is very underwhelming too.Atlist in Wo Long you can have variety of weapons to choose from and you can do different builds in Wo Long base on weapon types.Alot of Fromsoftware fans wouldn’t admit this but Team Ninja does makes better combat in Nioh,Final fantasy and Wo Long than any Fromsoftware games.The only Fromsoftware games does have advantage was the enemies and boss fights design and the level design but besides that Team Ninja is far superior at combat in general

  • @wallywest4727

    @wallywest4727

    Жыл бұрын

    ​​@@Kewickviperf you're just standing around parrying and doing nothing then your fights must take ages. Spells are not bad at all you're just not using them right, the various buffs and element counters make later fights much easier. I get the impression you're early in and haven't reached Lu Bu yet.

  • @divinitymode9364
    @divinitymode9364 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely love the game. Looks and runs great on Series X. It’s hard but not Sekiro hard. Hugely recommended :)

  • @mozzergaming4826

    @mozzergaming4826

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Aaron Greenberg, LOL

  • @peattisma1489

    @peattisma1489

    Жыл бұрын

    this game could run on the 360/ps3, it's not that impressive at all in terms of visual.

  • @HeelPower200

    @HeelPower200

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@peattisma1489 Utterly incorrect.

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