For such a cool process, it’s pretty darn boring to watch

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

It's Electrical Discharge Machining. This means for every spark the wire makes in contact with the material it's removing material. It's crazy slow BUT insanely accurate!!!

@skmetal7

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a pain in the ass to set up.

@Freekniggers

3 жыл бұрын

@@skmetal7 yeah, but it way easier than a file or grinder.

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@Freekniggers How is that even relevant?

@ex0duzz

Жыл бұрын

Because the guy said it's a pain in the ass to setup. Compared to doing everything manually by hand, "the pain in the ass to setup" is not a pain at all but a life and time saver.

This makes me appreciate the automatic threading and cutting of the machines I operate a whole lot more.

@douro20

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't some of the older Fanuc wire machines have semi-automatic threading?

@letsgoBrandon204

3 жыл бұрын

@@douro20 All the machines I operate have auto threading. Two 10yr old Charmilles ones are great, but the Fanuc we have from 2000 is a bit hit and miss at times. Probably my fault with the maintenance, or lack thereof.

@douro20

3 жыл бұрын

@@letsgoBrandon204 I believe it was Fanuc who developed the technology in the first place, and still have the fastest threading machines in the industry.

We still have a couple HS-300's in our shop. still very precise and both .006 & .010 wire

Great video, i only thought these machines drilled holes in things, im blown away. I try to learn 1 new thing a day and this it lol. Thanks :)

Great job. I love the old green display. Shows how long good machines are useful for.

@6themaker

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Barnett lol the hearts

@warrior4christ777

9 ай бұрын

What was the cost compared to lathe and milling?

Wow Ive never seen an EDM in action before thank you

Love the HARTS.......;-) It's little things like that that brighter ones day....

Wonderfull! I guess the Brother HS 300 doesn't do plunging of the wire seeing how you have to rethread manually. The plunging cutters seem more practical I guess where they just feed the wire out again by themselves and catch it once it passes though. I guess it's a cost thing?

Good job. You can make more videos like this in Wire Cut EDM.

Cut the wird with a pocket lighter. Stretch it a little bit and then start the Pocketlighter. It is much easyer to put the wire in the down nozzel.

Wow! Shaublin cnc , I would have made the whole lot in the wire edm , if there was enough capacity, Keep up the good work!

incredible, i love wire edm!

I got the lexus for this machine, type : Seibu M 50. With fanuc M8 controller.. all was automatic even for feed and cut the wire.. Honestly, this is 1st time I had to work on Manufacturing Corporation, and see how person could able to type, read, and make the manual G-Code is really astonishing.. Hopes I can learn fast to read the G-Code while make it at post after draw it on mastercam..

Woah, had to center it, then cut the wire again to move to the outter radius.. That must be fun to do all the time. Amazing results, so worth the tedious nature.

@russellmitchell9438

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was watching. Do you think it's using electrical continuity between the part and the wire, or the mechanical displacement of the wire?

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

@@russellmitchell9438 continuity of course. This is an STUPID accurate machine!!

Great video! How much wire does a part like this use up?

AWESOME!

Wire electroerosion with water (WEDM). It is a process of cutting metal, extremely slow, but highly precise.

Done one for my big Kirloskar lathe, worked perfectly

Awesome finishing..

71 teeth.. That's the answer for the question we might have in our head..

What would you say the surface roughness of this gear must have come out to be?

This is the first I’ve heard of this machine and would love to see more videos of it

@wrecksandtech

4 жыл бұрын

@Fernandes correct. I have never heard of or seen this machine before.

@umutk5614

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@DavidArnold2God-Glory

4 жыл бұрын

I ran them for years. Mitsubishi, Sodeck, many others.

@extradimension7356

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidArnold2God-Glory What would the cycle time be for such a part or gear in the video ? I'm interested in Wire EDM (for our applications) but I am deadly afraid that the cycle times would be just too long ?

@mTcMattMaster

4 жыл бұрын

i have three edm machines (wire, sink and drill edm) I was thinking about making videos of it.

This man has a high science skill in fallout based on how he’s operating this terminal

Pretty cool vid but a couple things 1 the time to set the machine each time 2 waste wire having to thread wire in to center then cut the wire and thread it again to do the cut Is it possible to use a small rod of sorts like a 5mm tig electrode and put it in for centering and initial setup as long as the ends were fine enough points and centered and just adjust the program to take into consideration of the larger diameter of the rod that way you can do 3 things at once 1 reduce scrap and waste wire 2 reduce setup times 3 confirm the arms are lined up as the rod won’t bend and if top or bottom of the rod are not touching the Material when centering you know a arm is out of alignment I’m assuming the idea of threading the wire through the center is to run a charge through the wire and price and when they connect and complete the circuit it knows that’s an edge and makes it’s center point based on where forward back left and right meet material edges so a larger rod shouldn’t affect it as long as the rod is center The idea comes from things like large micrometers where in order to make sure they are calibrated correctly you have to have a precise spacer to make sure the measurements are correct

very good videos...wire cut is nice machine

Hmm how flat are they? You dial them in each time or check the flatness of each rotation? Or does it not matter to print?

Thanks! 👍💪✌

I'm not sure what the hell just happened but it was pretty cool!

slick gear uve cut there mr flo :p

Keep it up..I always want to know how products are actually manufactured in the industries. There are very less videos on automation n digital Manufacturing process.

So how quickly can EDM manufacture such a piece? I know it's bout detail, but how slower/quicker it is in comparison with mill/drill/tap cncs?

Great Job

8:30 it was like I'm playing fallout

Well done

How much current and voltage for cut through the wire?

Can I ask: Is the gear now ready to use or does it need final polishing to match other gear wheels? Also, is the metal hard or does it still require hardening?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

The gear wheel is used as it comes from the EDM machine and also there is no hardening done. It´s only a change gear (? maybe wrong translation) for a hobby lathe and is only used if some strange pitches are needed.

@ferrumignis

4 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 "Change gear" is exactly the right description.

@Tumbler054

3 жыл бұрын

its the spark that erodes the material not the wire.

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tumbler054 correct. Electrical Discharge Machining. Insanely accurate!

Good job!!!!!

How many feet of wire dose a typical job use up?

Great video, thats how i used to run our old sodick a600w, the wire threader and cutter was busted, lot of hard work and labour. what type of machine is this?

@carlospereira7601

4 жыл бұрын

It seems like a Mitsubishi wedm.

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Brother HS 300

the perfect wirw for that processing is BORACUT by Tfe

Very nicely done, I've never seen it done that way but it's a nifty fix. I would have wired it complete out of a block so you could go all the way around but if you only had a piece of round bar stock to work with this does it very well. Plus I've never seen anyone cut their wire like that, I use a lighter with the wire pulled tight, it doesn't leave a burr that way. What make and model is it?

@joanzzer

4 жыл бұрын

How do you hold the finish piece from falling down once the circle cut is near finished ?

@chrisblight6069

4 жыл бұрын

@@joanzzer Magnets usually. Most times I don't bother as it isn't that much of an issue unless it's something heavy. Occasionally you will get problems where the parts drops and gets caught by the wire before it can reverse alarm but not often. If I need to I use a magnet.

@joanzzer

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisblight6069 I have a 6" dia x 1" gear I want to try out. Do you use a specific magnet ?

@chrisblight6069

4 жыл бұрын

@@joanzzer It's a small, thin, round magnet, very powerful for its size. Only around 15mm in diameter and can hold something pretty heavy. You can buy them I've noticed but I can't give you specifics. If you have an old hard drive you could take that apart and use the ones in there, they aren't round but they are thin. Sometimes I used to wait until the job was partially cut, stop the machine, then apply the magnet where the wire wasn't going to cut.

@chrisblight6069

4 жыл бұрын

@@joanzzer Yes, very small and thin, but also powerful. Around 15mm in diameter and maybe 10 thick. It came with the machine to be honest, I haven't bought one myself. You put it on the part as the wire has partially completed its path, where it won't collide with the wire as it finishes. You might be able to buy one, or take a hard drive apart and use the one in there. They are larger but thin, might do the trick.

So beautiful

That screen when programming looks straight out of Fallout

@court2379

3 жыл бұрын

You must have been born after 1990... They were the only screens in the early computers. They all looked like that. It is before my time too, by the time I got my first computer it was super vga. I played on some older machines though that were the 4 color cga. Screens like this were probably older than around 1985. Though they might have been popular longer than in general use because they didn't need to be multi-color.

@sladeb6036

2 жыл бұрын

@@court2379 close but before 1990

Una pregunta cómo le puedo hacer para un corte con 2° grados de inclinación

Keyway cut - What was the difference between the rough cut and finishing cut? I am new to the whole subject of EDM, but as far as I can see its contactless so was quite surprised to see a two cut process

@vizionthing

3 жыл бұрын

Ok ... Now I know about big sparks and small sparks :)

To what accuracy is the profile machined ?

@flo_5235

8 ай бұрын

I dont know, good enough for the purpose.

@Flo _ Nice video ! What was the cycle time on the gear ? Thanks !

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

5 Minutes/tooth, so about 6 hours for the complete gear wheel

@extradimension7356

4 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 Wow... Thanks for that ! Really appreciate that.

Nice job

Do you keep the off-cuts material from those gears? I have some cool ideas for them

@take1one

4 жыл бұрын

What kind of plans? I toss out cut offs of D2 similar to this all the time. However mine are a bit thicker and start from a 9" round.

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

@@take1one I would absolutely buy one of these on eBay! In a heart beat! I use to work for a defense contractor and was passing through the machine shop one day. I came upon the EDM machines and was just so fascinated by this and the operator asked me if I wanted a remembrance piece of titanium. I absolutely said yes and I still have that piece to this day. That was back in 08. So, yes, I'm willing to purchase something off you if you wanted to create an eBay auction or just communicate via email and I'll do PayPal or whatever. 👍

I run 4 Mitsubishi wire EDMs all day long

Very cool

Just found one of these with the exact same 'ring' on the CRT, not sure what causes that :) Also what is the largest wire you can run on the HS300 ?

@flo_5235

4 ай бұрын

The largest wire guide I can get over here is for 0,3 mm wire, the smallest for 0,2 mm wire. I have guides for 0,2 and 0,25 mm wire but I only use 0,25 mm wire.

@texastad1989

4 ай бұрын

@@flo_5235 I think I will use .010/.25mm wire here. Machine shows up tomorrow :)

Silly question maybe, but how do you measure the amount of spark used for the different size of meterial being burned. Is this all controlled from the cnc? I'm new to this obviously lol

@flo_5235

Жыл бұрын

I have a folder of datasheets with settings for different materials and cutting heights.

i wanna ask is the same like ELECTRICAL EROSION TREATMENT ? like Dies and electrodes but on this the wire is doing the job ?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is the same principle

@CaskStrength777

Жыл бұрын

Dies are made with that other type too I used to run- often called ram or diesinker EDM. That's the kind that does 3D shaped electrodes for cavities but I always thought wire was cooler

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How much wire is consumed? How much wire did it take to make the gear? I thought the wire in EDM was stationary 😕

@flo_5235

3 жыл бұрын

About 1.7 km of wire for this gear wheel. On the spool are about 8 km of wire, the machine uses the smalest typ of EDM wire spools.

I’m not a machinist I just enjoy watching these videos to see how things are done, other than measuring and obtaining center of the gear with that wire what other purpose does that wire serve?

@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left

4 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for the Electronic Dance Music. 😎

VERY COOL

What was the reason for recentering on the bore after turning the half-cut blank? Were the dowels so loose?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Just to check, got only a few micron difference.

@TheWireEDM

4 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 That's a nice jig then :) Too bad it is rare to get any production runs, typically only see one-offs and always hoping the jig can be used for something else later.

@FilterYT

4 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, I wonder what is more accurate, dowel pins or re-touching? How repeatable are the touches if you do the touch one after another?

@TheWireEDM

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilterYT Retouching is more accurate, as the dowels have to be sliding fit to be able to remove the workpiece, thus they are 'loose'.

@karlssonengineering

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWireEDM yes, but it only corrects the y-axis. what if the gear have been turned (in the margin of slope in the dowel pins) clock wise or ccw, then it makes no sense to re tounch. Best would be to have a tiger dowelpin.

What are all the sparks from? How do these things work? I would have thought the wire is abrasive and moves past the material no?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

The sparks come from a generator whichs sends power pulses to the wire. The sparks ´jump´ between the wire and the workpiece where both are nearest so that on this spot some material is removed. (Not the best explanation.)

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

The sparks are the removal of the material. Billions of sparks going on very, very, very minute amount of metal is being removed. This is why it takes so long. But it's accurate to the micron.

Great now I can see what EDM machines are capable of. See lots for sale where I am based.

@SuperEye2eye

3 жыл бұрын

Are you in the US? We have virtually no EDM for sale in Canada. Would love to know where they are for sale. Thanks

Was a good video. Can you say me what is the gear's material? Is for class. Thanks you

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

In the ISO world its called 16MnCr5 (1.7131) but material was provided by the ´customer´.

@andreasuniaga3643

4 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 thanks you man

No wire cutter ?

what software do you use to run this? just auto cad? can you do 3d machining too?

@flo_5235

2 жыл бұрын

For simple conturs I can write the code on the machine, for complex stuff I use Fusion. 3D machinig is not possible with this machine.

Awesome

Grossartig. Wenn ich das sehe, fang ich an zu sabbern :-). Wenn ich nur wuesste, was schruppen und schlichten bei ner EDM unterscheidet. Koennte man nicht direkt mit Schlichtwerten durchfahren? (Ich kenn nix vom drahten, wie man merkt)

@flo_5235

5 жыл бұрын

Beim schruppen schaut man auf den höchsten Abtrag damit es möglichst schnell geht, Oberflächengüte spielt dabei keine Rolle. Ist bei meiner Maschine aber nicht so schlecht, die Verzahnung ist mit einem Schnitt gemacht. Beim schlichten wird dann die Oberfläche vom Schruppschnitt noch ´geglättet´, dabei nimmt man nur noch einige Hundertstel Material ab. Die Schlichtparameter würden im Vollschnitt noch langsamer laufen als es eh schon ist ;-)

@udowillkomm1173

5 жыл бұрын

Danke Florian. Ja, das trieb mich eben um, ob man nicht besser direkt im Vollschnitt mit Schlichtgeschwindigkeit faehrt, weil die Gesamtlaufzeit (und die Arbeit, die Du damit hast) am Ende so vielleicht geringer ist, als wenn Du alles zweimal abfaehrst.

@Daniel-hh8fi

4 жыл бұрын

@@udowillkomm1173 Die Agie Vision V2 an der ich arbeite kann im Schlichtgang kein Material voll schneiden, ständig Drahtrisse (Die Parameter werden zu fein sein um viel Materialabtrag zu erzielen), Beim Fräsen oder Drehen ballert man ja auch nicht mit nem Werkzeug ins Volle wenn man Schlichten will... Die Technologien die Agie einem zur Verfügung stellt sehen das auch nicht vor. Schruppen ist beim Drahterodieren auch sehr relativ zu betrachten, wenn ich mich jetzt nicht täusche schafft die Agie mit einem Schnitt (also nur "Schruppen") eine Oberflächengüte von Ra 1,8 bis 3,2 (je nach Material und Werkstückhöhe), Drahten ist auch nichts was mal eben schnell geht, das dauert seine Zeit Das Maschinchen in dem Video ist auch echt sau alt, ich persönlich würde das komplett aus einer Platte schneiden, schön über Nacht laufen lassen, natürlich hab ich auch den Luxus eines 3D-Modells über das ich ein Programm erstellen kann ;)

bánh răng của bạn có đường kính là bao nhiêu? mất bao lâu để cắt xong bánh răng đó? How much is your gear diameter? How long will it take to finish cutting that gear?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Diameter is 91,25 mm. Just roughing, no finishig cuts.

What is the cutting speed for aluminum job? Rough cut? Thanks

@flo_5235

Жыл бұрын

Cutting speed depends on the material thickness

What is the reason for this? Is that gear used for gear rolling? or just for accuracy?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

It's 71 teeth (prime number) so you can't mill conventional it in a easy way

I was hoping that in the end he would place the cut-offs on the finished gear, like a jigsaw puzzle, to showcase the astonishing level of detailed cutting, wire edm can achieve... but good video anyway

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

I have another video where i cut a gear wheel out of flat material, there you can find the puzzle ;)

you are s master at writing g codes manually

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

Years and years of work.

i've made a gear on a Brother HS 100 , but i didn't cut a blank that i had to rotate .. i just made a bigger blank, and cut out the entire wheel in one go..

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

I´ve cut another gear from flat stock. But if your stock isn´t big enough its a way to cut the gear. By the way, would be great to the see some vidoes of the HS 100!

Video won a subscription from me! New to the machining world (work), so I am curious to see what others are capable of. May I suggest: (a.) 16X the entire video? (b.) Instead of captions, let us hear your voice? Do not mean to intrude at all, just think it would send it right over the edge ;) obviously the talent and audience is there. Also, I cant steal the idea. I love watching @jimmydiresta videos and think his (older) videos would suit your type of work. Let me know what you think. I humbly suggest this :)

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Well filming the edm process for time lapse takes a lot of time so it's much easier to do captions. And also it's get pretty boring after watch it a few seconds. I have a few videos where I talk a little bit, but I think I like the videos with the captions more. Talking in english isn't that easy for me ;) Not sure how the next video will be.

@christophercolumbus8944

2 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 how do you charge per hour? per job? can you cut through any steel? specialty metals at all?

Where is my Electronic Dance Music?

I am not a machinist but I don't understand the advantages of this machine and the process overall compared to regular milling that is done seemingly much much much faster than this. Wouldn't it be much faster and possibly cheaper to make such gear on normal milling machine?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

Well you can machine almost sharp-edged inside corners as well as fine/tiny profiles which are difficult to machine in another way. Like small inside splines or something like that. The gear wheel has 71 teeth, 71 is a prime number and so its not that easy to divide on a manual milling machine.

@Ujeb08

2 жыл бұрын

Also, with the wire edm you can cut, with ultra high precision, prehardened steel or even Carbide. This way you don't have to be concerned with warpage during a hardening process.

Why you cut the wire after cutting 32.. the zeros are on same spot

@jimmccorison

3 жыл бұрын

Assuming that the locating holes are perfectly spotted, and the dowel pins are perfect, and the mounting plate is perfect. Anytime you remove a part and change is orientation you want to be 100% certain of registration. Off by .005 in registration would ruin the gear. Safer to just recenter after flipping the part.

Curious why you didn’t cut the key way while the wire was in the bore at the beginning?

@shedtime_au

3 жыл бұрын

The inside of the hole is used to centre the wire, so it has to be cut last.

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

@@shedtime_au yep!

Owesome! Which is the material of the wire?

@flo_5235

3 жыл бұрын

It's brass wire

how much time did it take. the WHOLE machining of that gear?

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

5 Minutes/tooth, so about 6 hours for the complete gear wheel

Can u share the machining parameters... Yhat will kind help full for me.... Li ke ip,vp, ton, toff..

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

The Brother control doesn't use those ´classical´ edm parameter. At 8:20 in the video you can see the command mode, the first 7 settings are changed for different materials and material thicknesses.

Hi! How much time did you spend for to finish the work completely??? and the wire it's expensive???

What type of fluid is the wire Submerged in?

@kevinconful

4 жыл бұрын

Dielectric fluid

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

deionized water

What is the real advantage using this method ? compare to classical milling machine ?

@flo_5235

2 жыл бұрын

The gear wheel has 71 teeth. 71 is a prime number, so you can't mill it that easy on a manual milling machine.

@CaskStrength777

Жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 yeah, you'd need an astronomical dividing head to do it.

What's the best way to learn G code please any help appreciate it.😊

@at0mix197

4 жыл бұрын

Reading a few books can help but best way I know is just watching the machine run while viewing the program

How long it took to make one gear ? Can u do helical gear as well ?

@flo_5235

2 жыл бұрын

About 6 hours for this gear. No helical gear possible with my machine.

Why wouldn’t you cut the gear out of a larger piece? You could set it up press start and walk away.

@flo_5235

8 ай бұрын

Well the raw material was round stock.

Doesn't have a venturi water jet to suck the wire down like a Mits?

@flo_5235

4 ай бұрын

No

How long did just the EDM process take from start to finish? For the entire job?

@flo_5235

3 жыл бұрын

5 Minutes/tooth, so about 6 hours for the complete gear wheel

@dnomyarnostaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 would gear cutter be quicker and accurate enough? What's the main benefit from of EDM in this situation? Cheers.

@SergeiPetrov

3 жыл бұрын

@@dnomyarnostaw You can cut tungsten carbide gears. "5 Minutes/tooth"(С)

@dnomyarnostaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@SergeiPetrov that's what Flo said, but a gear cutter on a lathe can do a tooth in under a minute.

@SergeiPetrov

3 жыл бұрын

@@dnomyarnostaw with which cutter are you going to cut tungsten carbide?

PipBoy3000 lvl skill!!!

The CRT screen reminds me of pipboy from fallout. 😆

Let me understand. You thread the wire up through the center of the gear blank and then proceed to cut the OUTSIDE TEETH. What happened to the initial setup that I assumed would be cutting the gears KEY WAY?

@flo_5235

3 жыл бұрын

Zero for the code to cut the outside teeth is in the center of the bore.

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

He has to center it first before he cuts the teeth.

First... use a lighter to cut your wire..makes threading the machine that much easier.. also, keep an eye on your water conductivity. .I think It is rather high, as rust build up quickly on your part.. Nice machine.. brother HS-300 right? I have an HS-100

@flo_5235

4 жыл бұрын

It's a burr free cutter, this works quite well but I know a lighter is common. Water conductivity should be ok based on what the machine says. It stays about 5 and some times some water goes through the resin. And yes it's a HS-300, maybe you can make a video of your HS-100, would appreciate.

@JanBinnendijk

4 жыл бұрын

@@flo_5235 Water Conductivity at 5?.. mine is as well at the moment.. but for me that is time to change the Resin.. i have it set at 3.. no rust at all.. as soon as it hits 4 or higher.. rust becomes an issue.. I'm planning on making a video of my HS-100 soon.. stay tuned to my channel..

Cool

Why did you have to measure the diameter of the bore before cutting the outside?

@flo_5235

3 жыл бұрын

Center of the bore is the zero for the g-code

Fine. Thanks

I'm curious to know as how this wire Cuts this metal

@cameronistheone8710

4 жыл бұрын

@@the.bog. cool thanks for responding awesome vids to btw

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

@@the.bog. exactly correct.

there was no need to probe the bore a second time. the part was located via the slipfit pins

@flo_5235

4 ай бұрын

Better safe than sorry.

Sinto dizer mais é muitmais preciso vc pegar material cerrar o furo e já cortar o extremo muito mais preciso e muito menos trabalho. Abraço

Edm's do fine work but my God they're slower than molasses!!!

@JF32304

3 жыл бұрын

They are stupid accurate though. IFFFF you want accuracy... That takes time.

Manatp bro