After watching this, I immediately downloaded Linux and start playing with it. New era starting, thanks.

@Sk4lli

4 жыл бұрын

Would be curious how your experiences have been. I switched to Linux full time at home at the beginning of the year and only booted Windows twice since. Very few problems, less than with Windows before. (Used Arch.)

@kosmasraptis8374

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sk4lli Arch was your first distro? Damn, you're tough. I only used Arch after using Ubuntu for a year (and spent most of my time toying around with commands.)

@Sk4lli

4 жыл бұрын

@@kosmasraptis8374 Yeah, it was a deliberate decision though. I thought, the best way to learn my way around the system is to install it by hand at least once. The Installation guide was really great, and while I really like Arch on my next computer I'll probably use Manjaro (based on Arch). Still no regrets, great system.

@Sk4lli

3 жыл бұрын

@Game Over yeah, I'm stuck with Manjaro on my desktop and very happy with it. The few problems that appear are usually in AURs or applications and not really connected to the OS. I've started using it on my work laptop too, curious how that goes. 😊

@Jst4vdeos

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sk4lli depends what you do for work 😂

The first step I do when I install WIndows 10 "Uninstall Candy Crush"

@onesandzeroes

4 жыл бұрын

The first step I do when I buy a laptop with Windows 10. I uninstall it. :)

@lelanthran

4 жыл бұрын

The first step I do when I install WIndows 10 "Use the computer."

@EdLrandom

4 жыл бұрын

Said to read, it's like buying a car and uninstalling a homeless person that lives in your car.

@arielfrigoli

4 жыл бұрын

@@EdLrandom lmao!!

@todornikolov1473

4 жыл бұрын

WTH! It's true. I have it and didn't even know.

Hardware and software developers REALLY need to start building their products around Linux, it's time to put an end to the Windows/Mac duopoly.

@karlstein9572

4 жыл бұрын

Linux is already compatible with a lot of hardwares even the latest (nvme, RTX, thunderbolt... ), also a lot of servers are running on Linux, as small devices like android smartphones, watches, routers, raspberry pies...

@PistonAvatarGuy

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlstein9572 I mean that hardware developers should support Linux directly (and with open-source drivers). I've had more than a few hardware issues that I'd like to see resolved, especially with audio hardware.

@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767

4 жыл бұрын

Linux is still horrible for non tech people. Doing simple task like installing chrome or any other apps are quite unintuitive

@PistonAvatarGuy

4 жыл бұрын

@@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767 Uhhh... no, installing Chrome is almost exactly the same as it is on Windows, you just go to the website and hit download. i think that there's one extra window that you have to deal with, but you just click one button. Anyway, people are growing up with computers now, computers shouldn't need to be made for people who don't know how to perform the most basic tasks.

@lalnuntluangachhakchhuak5767

4 жыл бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy I need to use dpkg -i command last time I installed chrome.

Dang, I always knew rendering on Windows was slower than linux due to driver access issues, but totally did not expect CPU intensive tasks to be hit that badly. Kudos for testing.

You've gotten so good in front of the camera and production man! Always had super helpful videos but I just noticed at some point over the years your production and showmanship has seriously grown natural. Hope you get a regular show / sponsors, you really earned it 👍

Next year that Win7 support ends, I'm moving to Manjaro Linux. edit: Since a lot of people are still commenting under this one, I should update this by saying that I went from Manjaro to Artix to OpenSUSE to now Garuda.

@ZaberfangX

4 жыл бұрын

Good pick.

@yash1152

4 жыл бұрын

why did u pick manjaro? I am also thinking about switching. But i rather chose fedora. Although, i will switch after doing some research about DESktop environments.

@ZaberfangX

4 жыл бұрын

@@yash1152 I think you should pick what you like. I picked Manjaro as it's close having cutting edge and comes with AUR if I can't find software I need with out doing to much work.

@ErebosGR

4 жыл бұрын

@@yash1152 Last time I tried Fedora was close to 10 years ago, so I don't know what it's like now. I chose Manjaro because it's based on Arch (AUR ftw) but it's noob-friendly. It plays nice with basically all desktop environments (I pick KDE). You can switch kernels from a menu. It has a big community and extensive documentation.

@ThylineTheGay

4 жыл бұрын

Good

With Geek mentioning Candy Crush I decided to take a look in the installed programs list. Yes, that malware got reinstalled, I removed it again. I also removed Skype, no use for that. I prefer Linux and it is my main OS but for gaming I still depend on Windows, unfortunately.

@fabiandrinksmilk6205

3 жыл бұрын

Hope steam proton can help!

@Nepoxification

2 жыл бұрын

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 wanted to say that too. His comment is 2 years old. I hope his situation got better with the exceptional development on Proton. Especially with the upcoming Steam Deck that runs Linux. Also some hardware allow full GPU pass-through for VMs on Linux. So you can atleast just use that few windows-needy programs without going dual boot

the box sad "windows 8.1 or better" so installed Linux.

@iangraham6730

4 жыл бұрын

😂 love it 😅😅😅

@ginglyst

4 жыл бұрын

That's odd, 20 years ago that joke was Windows 98 or better, so I installed Mac OS

@paulradford4100

4 жыл бұрын

So true.. lol

@AndersJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@ginglyst Oh, Mac OS 9. What a treat that wasn't... Not so fond memories shows up. Like talking about MS Windows 98 or MS Windows ME. Hated ME, for real. Got me to uninstal MS Windows first time. Since then, that has worked each time I got me a new computer with MS Windows pre installed. 😜

@666Tomato666

4 жыл бұрын

@@ginglyst yes, and then it changed to "Apple: costs more, does less. it's that simple"

There's more: Blender 2.8 will not work on Intel's HD3000 on Windows, but will run fine on Linux.

@YoloMonstaaa

4 жыл бұрын

Cláudio Pinheiro why's that?

4 жыл бұрын

@@YoloMonstaaa Blender 2.8 requires at least OpenGL 3.3. Intel Windows driver is 3.2, thus incompatible, despite the hardware itself being 3.3-compliant. HD3000 Linux drivers implement OpenGL 3.3, so Blender 2.8 will run. macOS is also capable of running 2.8 in HD3000 hardware.

@marcobonera838

4 жыл бұрын

Well, with that GPU you can't do much nonetheless

@phee3D

4 жыл бұрын

I use it on hd Intel 3k...lol

@tatsuuuuuu

4 жыл бұрын

fair warning though. linux intel HD support isn't the best. I'm a linux goer myself but I prefer to stick with Nvidia or AMD dedicated graphics card then onboard graphics because of this issue.

I am thinking of switching to Linux so this is perfect timing

@mikailkhan9166

4 жыл бұрын

If you need any help be sure to check out the archwiki: wiki.archlinux.org/ It's pretty helpful even if you don't use Arch Linux or its derivatives

@samuelmema4514

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikailkhan9166 thanks a lot i am getting into programming too (learned c++) soon will start with blender scripts

@samuelmema4514

4 жыл бұрын

@UCqCR4xCX6pz9xi3eMuw3QvQ isnt ubuntu better or is it just more popular?

@onesandzeroes

4 жыл бұрын

@@samuelmema4514 Ubuntu will surely be more beginner-friendly. If you want something user-friendly based on Arch Linux, try Manjaro (I'm using that). Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) is also very popular for regular users.

@daniele.7913

4 жыл бұрын

The speed of Linux goes to infinity, when windows 10 update kills your computer.

Thumbs up for all the work you put into making this video. Thanks. Very interesting results.

And Ubuntu isn't even the fastest distribution of Linux.

@ChrisD__

4 жыл бұрын

ClearLinux is ready to zooooom

@naws69

4 жыл бұрын

Which one is the fastest Edit: Thanks everyone for the suggestions

@ChrisD__

4 жыл бұрын

@@naws69 ClearLinux or Arch probably. That's desktop Linux at least. ClearLinux is only for Intel hardware though.

@callisoncaffrey

4 жыл бұрын

@@naws69 The fastest is the one you put together your own self obviously. Archlinux and Clear have both prerecompiled packages. I'd say Arch is better than clear, since it gives the user more choice. You choose all the packages yourself and doesn't come with Gnome or Xfce4 preinstalled. It's always better to make your "own" desktop environment. I just run Openbox, lxpanel, tilda, everything else I need I install when I need it. Anyway both use systemd though which is cluttered in itself. So if you don't want to get into it too deep I would recommend Voidlinux. Arch has the bigger community though and therefore more precompiled packages for you to choose, because of the Arch User Repository. Void is a lot smaller, though they package stuff for you if you ask them nicely, and they have a make your own package feature. Though if you do want to get all you can out of your machine there is no way around actually compiling everything yourself. So either go with Gentoo, where there is still a little hand holding, or LFS (Linux from scratch) where you only get a couple of pdf files to follow. Anyway, if all that is too much work for you, I'd say go with Manjaro. That's the simple man's Arch. It has the same packages since it's a fork but it's a lot easier to install. Not that Arch is that difficult. Was the one I started with and I had it running in a day. Now I need like half an hour, but that's because I can just copy over my config files to make it look the way I want without even touching any settings managers. Not that I'm installing Arch anymore these days. I too try to get away from systemd.

@naws69

4 жыл бұрын

@@callisoncaffrey Thanks bruh

12:02 How is this a doubt? It's a cold, hard, fact. Windows sends information to Microsoft, unless you go out of your way to pull that junk out.

@666Tomato666

4 жыл бұрын

...and re-disable that "feature" after every update after it gets "mysteriously" enabled

@mayteexxis

2 жыл бұрын

how do you disable it?

Outstanding work! Congratulations and thank you for sharing it!

I’ve been a Windows user for years, and tried Linux on and off. Installed Manjaro and i love it! I noticed the transfer speeds for my SSDs and USB sticks were so much faster.

@tbrg1965

4 жыл бұрын

Manjaro is the best option in my opinion. (Especially if you are looking for a great gui environment in Linux.) Very clean, Very fast, and Very customizable.

@pawelnachname7665

4 жыл бұрын

If you want customizable, it needs to be Manjaro KDE edition though.

@jdevcast6527

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, I didn’t know that. I’ll check it out in a VM.

@AndersJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@pawelnachname7665 KDE customization is what kills KDE for me each time I try it out. And yes, it is about as heavy as Gnome, so no gain there compared to Gnome. Gnome are better configured to begin with. I don't have time for customize things. It should work resonable from start. That is why I stoped compiling my own kernel and software in Linux 10 years ago. Because then it wasn't worth the Pain to do that anymore. I want to use the computer, not tinker with installations to make it "optimized". But, whatever rock your boat, as long as it isn't MS Windows. 😜

@pawelnachname7665

4 жыл бұрын

@@AndersJackson You seem to have been around for a long time, which is why I appreciate your perspective. KDE used to be slow compared to GNOME and it needed lots of tweaking to get what you could call a sane UX. Now however Plasma is objectively faster/more efficient (try researching recent benchmarks), it is much more rliable due to its more sensible architecture (In gnome the desktop runs in only one process) and its defaults are very pleasant. So the past you has made correct observations, but the present you should try reevaluating.

Blender is slow on Windows 10, because Windows 10 is busy with Candy Crash... 😆😆😆😆

@syloui

4 жыл бұрын

oh and background telemetry is real, its what they replaced their QA staff with among other purposes. Barnacules has videos on the subject since its what he used to do at microsoft

@SkyFly19853

4 жыл бұрын

@@syloui Indeed. I bet they also hired Candy Crash Software Specialists... 😁😁😁😁

@SkyFly19853

4 жыл бұрын

@GamingTV Oh, really?... if the OS is really useless and bloated... then, no matter what kind of hardware you use, it simply does not work... 👎👎👎👎

@SkyFly19853

4 жыл бұрын

@GamingTV As long as Microsoft continues to make useless OSes and being opposed to opensource... These troubles will continue... As for Linux, it will be the future...

@SkyFly19853

4 жыл бұрын

@GamingTV the reason why it sucks is the property source, because since it is closed source and people are NOT allowed to fix any problems in the source, it becomes a bigger problem... If Microsoft had made Windows an opensource, I believe people would come and fix these software issues... Since it is closed, nobody can fix Windows 10 or other Window OSes... But people still can solve any software issues in Linux since it is opensource...

Excellent video! But not a surprise for any Linux users watching.

@CorvusNumber6

4 жыл бұрын

@Caetano Veyssières True, it is good news though :) Even Windows games are seeming to run faster on Linux now.

@xox8717

4 жыл бұрын

Nah it's just Blender devs don't give a shit about Windows developement like any FOSS fanatics, it has been like this for many years.

@CorvusNumber6

4 жыл бұрын

@@xox8717 I'd beg to differ - I'd say these inefficiencies are at system level, not API. I've no proof of that though.

@xox8717

4 жыл бұрын

​@@CorvusNumber6 2.79 no big difference on any OS, 2.80 had major changes under the hood even performance is worse than 2.79 so who is to blame,? of course the ones writing blender's code, doesn't take a genius to figure that out .

@CorvusNumber6

4 жыл бұрын

@@xox8717 That's interesting - I've never used Blender before but I read (or watched?) somewhere about great speed improvements in 2.8 I suppose it should be possible to spot differences between Windows and Linux versions from the code base saying as it's FOSS. If what you're saying is correct, then the windows version should get the speed improvements in a future update. It still leaves the question though, of why some native windows software (read 'games' at the minute) runs faster under Linux. (Ie; The windows version running on Linux). Mind you, after working in Windows system support for 15 years, you soon realise what a badly designed, poorly implemented resource hog windows actually is.

I left Windows completely back in 2014 and have not missed it at all! I use Ubuntu 18.04 and use DaVinci Resolve Studio, Blender, and Gimp(and other little apps) and have absolutely no need/want anymore for Windows or Adobe applications!!

@aronseptianto8142

4 жыл бұрын

I'm considering davinci resolve is it any good? Compared to premiere Especially the stabilisation?

@PremierPrep

4 жыл бұрын

@@aronseptianto8142 Absolutely! I used to use Premiere at my day job up until a couple months ago when we switched to Resolve. And one of the most frustrating things in Premiere was not being able to adjust the speed of a clip and stabilize. In Resolve this is not a problem. You can change the speed and stabilize all day and the stabilization is not only good it processes about twice as fast as Premiere as well.

@rdoetjes

4 жыл бұрын

Aron Septianto I’m a professional compositor and I was in Nuke and premiere until last month. Now switched back to Mac as I’m also a developer (VFX doesn’t earn as much and in as all Country there’s not enough work for full time). And my customer is moving a lot to Mac so I decided to go back. And I’ve been using Fusion both for VFX compositing and Editing and I love it. I have not yet installed Nuke on my Mac and I don’t think I’ll need it for my projects. Only for customer projects that are on a Nuke pipeline. I haven’t run it yet on Linux but I assume you’ll be fine as well. I do urge you to either get a blackmagic camera or buy the Davinci Resolve studio. As the studio version has Noise Reduction in grade and 3D tracker, planar tracker and more keying tools in Fusion. Although I did run in some bugs. I work in OCIO (Aces) and when I rendered out a proxy of a composite to speed up subsequent comping and imported it, it came with a curve on it (I assume 709). I couldn’t get it back to linear, so I disabled Aces in project settings and set it back to Davinci linear. So there’s some inconsistencies in OCIO between Davinci and Fusion. But yeah, I canceled my 10 year long adobe license.

@Cyanwasserstoff

4 жыл бұрын

@Premier Prep: You might switch from Gimp to Glimpse, because GIMP is a offense name for a programm :P I am highly anticipating the results of the Glimpse team compared to GIMP.

@PremierPrep

4 жыл бұрын

@@Cyanwasserstoff I have heard of the Glimpse fork and plan to switch if it shows to be just as functional and stable. Obviously it's a direct fork so I suspect it will be.

Being a beginner in Blender, I have to admit CG Geek is the best tutorial I have ever seen on any subject, and I have seen hundreds. Everything is coherent, in laymen terms, and easy to understand. On Microsoft Windows, the best tip I ever got was to get rid of it. I did! After a few months on MX Linux I have accomplish more than I ever did in 24 years with MS. No more annoying updates, activation, viruses, buying software, and the Windows help that never solves anything, etc... Thank you CG Geek for using the gift you have to articulate, and teach without the presumptuous nature that most of us, have had to put up with for years.

@IzzyIkigai

Жыл бұрын

Why is it almost everyone on Linux seems to try to justify their decision to switch to Linux? Linux is my main daily driver work and I would never get the idea to recommend it for this kind of workload. The performance difference isn't between the operating systems per se, its in how the blender is compiled on both ends. I just tested Blender in WSL vs Linux native and it runs faster on WSL for me. With a very specific benchmark. Overall for my personal projects(lots of VRAM usage, more time spent in the actual render than in calculations on the CPU), Windows native seems to be faster, actually. But that might have to do with many things, none of which are even hinted at in this video. Blender settings, what you put in your frame, OS security settings, what kind of hardware you run, etc etc.

I just went dual boot to Pop Os (Ubuntu) as a result of watching this video. I have to say, its borderline upsetting how much smoother the Blender experience is on Linux. Just about everything works faster and more reliably, even thing that you might not expect like addons, rigs, undo etc. It ends up being a more creatively impulsive experience overall as a result. Thanks for taking the time to do a deep dive that helps all of us make better decisions!

Thank you for going to the trouble to do the benchmarks! Great info! NOTE: Singular for Vertices is Vertex, not Vertice. In know, English, right?

Now this is the kinda content I expect from someone named CG Geek. Great work on all the benchmarks!

@xox8717

4 жыл бұрын

You meaning Clickbaiting garbage?

@TheFlyinCowboys

4 жыл бұрын

@@xox8717 clickbait? well maybe a little. after all this youtube channel is his business, and you gotta make that revenue roll somehow. garbage? no haha, but i see your confusion. if i lived in a basement surrounded with twinkie wrappers i might also think everything my eyes see is garbage. but it's not, it's just you.

Awesome video. Amazing that someone actually did all those benchmarks

My laptop is in the corner scared of this introduction.

@autohmae

4 жыл бұрын

It might also be a happy Linux system.

@chairvergil4552

3 жыл бұрын

It's been 1 year now. What's it doing now?

Please dont Stop making videos. Keep Up the good work

Linux is great! It's snappier, doesn't have the obscure processes Windows has. We can change the world together for good! #SwitchToLinux

@mohanravi495

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah we can change the world for good

@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain

3 жыл бұрын

No DirectX No Games no nothing , i use linux before not alot of apps here even i tested benchmark linux is abit slower than win . Normally Linux is meant for either servers or hackers.

@renuxa

3 жыл бұрын

@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain well wine and lutris are pretty good for games. And for hackers? I study computer science and all the computers from my uni run linux, is just that much better for programing, just that.

@user-zl5cv6vw2m

3 жыл бұрын

@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain No games? You've clearly *never* used Linux.

@TomasLomba

3 жыл бұрын

@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain The thing with linux is that it is not for everyone. If you felt it slower than windows you probably weren’t using it right. Windows is like an automatic SUV, linux is like a manual BMW M2. Linux is lighter, faster and more efficient but you need to know how to drive/handle it properly.

GREAT information, Thank you for the great work.

Great research work, man!

Hi, a year has passed since this video has been published. I wonder if you would like to do this Linux vs Windows comparison again now with Blender LTS and/or the latest stable release! I mean, 2.80 was kinda "not completed" and there are so many things were missing compared to 2.79 since it was kinda rewritten/ refactored. I'd love to see you do this comparison again in near future. Keep up the good work!

@anzaklaynimation

10 ай бұрын

There would be the same results with the newer versions with minor difference.

I originally switched to linux when I was in 4th grade because I read on a minecraft forum that Ubuntu would run it at double the fps. I didn't know what ubuntu was but it had an exe installer back then and ofc I wiped windows by installing it to my C: drive since that's what I did for every program, but it was well worth it on my crappy 10 year old laptop

Thank you for being so thorough!

I'm watching this video once again and this was the video that encouraged me to check out Linux and other Open Source softwares. Thanks Steve!

@soham7510

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you should try them out, the open source world is just amazing

It would have been good to have an OpenCL comparison in there for all us Non-Nvidia users.

@SeanMcChannel

3 жыл бұрын

I loaded up Ubuntu and Blender 2.91 recently on my ancient PC 4930k 32GB ram AMD 5700XT. After getting OpenCL to work on Ubuntu 20.04 I found no significant difference in GPU render speeds for benchmark files... Compared Ubuntu 20.04 vs Windows 10 Pro 20H2. With Windows 10 given me slight faster renders so far. I am guessing perhaps speed differences are more apparent when using Nvidia GPU... Once PC parts stocks return to more normal levels I am updating my PC as some of my Sabertooth X79 motherboard Ram slots give me RAM errors and windows black screen lock ups. If only the large render farms and crypto miners would let us other users have some GPU cards!

Based on your result, I guess the windows build of blender has some issues with optimization on CPU part. Maybe a local build would be faster ( just like pypi build of tensorflow does not have AVX2 enabled)

@toddpeterson5904

4 жыл бұрын

I gave this a try with my system that has a Xeon 8160 (has AVX2, AVX512, etc.). It took forever to build, and it's 2.81 alpha, but I did run a couple of benchmarks to see if it was faster. On my system, at least, I had a gain of 2.4% on barbershop and

@JustKatoh

4 жыл бұрын

> python yikes

@004307ec

4 жыл бұрын

@moons Shadow that should be the reason! I just forget the lackluster msvc (which does not even behave well with valarray)

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

4 жыл бұрын

So, besides all the continual registry tweaks and other continual faffing around, you are now recommending that Windows users have to build their own software as well? This is why the saying goes, Windows is great if your time is worth nothing ...

@DFPercush

4 жыл бұрын

It's probably because they have to put an extra abstraction layer to make it portable, so windows can pretend to look like linux to blender. It could go the other way around, for example if a game was written in windows and later ported to linux, but I'm guessing it's just that the devs wrote it like a linux program.

Excellent video. I always miss the explanation exactly how measurements are done. In this video you tell me all about how you reach the numbers - great work! Now off to a webshop to get a new SSD and download latest Ubuntu while waiting for delivery. It would be great if you have the time and will to compare a few of the most common Linux distros as well!

This was great please do more like this in the future.

@CGGeek

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! My latest video covers more cores vs faster cores on CPU's in Blender. :)

I'm not even a little bit surprised. I've used Linux exclusively for more than 10 years at home (and Arch Linux for 5 of those, which is leaner than Ubuntu), and just about everything is faster. I have Win 10 on an external USB 3 drive, and whilst slower drive access will explain some of the speed increase, it cannot possibly explain everything. And to address your final concerns, GIMP and Krita used for texture creation and post, DaVinci resolve for video editing in additiion to Blender gives a significant performance boost across the board.

@catcollision8371

4 жыл бұрын

Wacom tablets work great on Linux as well, in Gimp, MyPaint etc.. Linux these days makes a great Graphics Workstation.. I recommend Linux Mint (mate or cinnamon) for new users.

@3DRMoretto

4 жыл бұрын

I tried using GIMP for a long time, but I couldn`t stand it. I`ve prefered Krita instead, even though it has some usability issues with the commands. For video editing, what about KdenLive? I've used a few times and found great.

@SpookyGamerVideos

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Hargreaves my windows was quite slow until I ran that one guys debloat script now it’s really nice

I learned this today after switching to a higher resolution ultra wide. I started noticing that blender was crashing while watching KZread videos and trying to do real-time rendering, so just out of curiosity, I switched to my Lennox partition, my primary OS, and started using blender and it worked perfectly, even faster. So I had to check what was going on. I've always done all my 3D work on windows because all my applications are on there, and I was under the assumption that Windows perform better for 3D applications, but wow!

Fantastic video thx!

Great comparison, thank you

Wow

Stuff like this is exactly why I use Linux for literally all of my development at this point. It's just more professionally built!

@Architector_4

4 жыл бұрын

Funny how a system made mainly by crowdsourcing work, i.e. by random hackers throwing their code at Linux and have some of it accepted, is just better than Windows, made by a huge organized corporation with a lot of employees paid specifically to work on it.

@FathinLuqmanTantowi

4 жыл бұрын

well "fair" and objective natural selection on linux programs and components did it

@autohmae

4 жыл бұрын

@@Architector_4 It's made with passion.

@autohmae

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrGincone not sure how significant that is, we are all made of space dust.

Interesting vid! Thanks for the info. :-)

I used to work for PC Magazine and we had a camera that did 100fps and simply recorded the screen for times. This was recorded on to a Pro S-VHS rack mounted deck. The crucial thing was being able to skip and shuttle back and forth to find the start and end frames like you can no in any NLE.

@Dutch3DMaster

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but...any NLE can do exactly that...if it has trouble doing so, it's probably working with a LONG-Gop videoformat which is known to be a resource and time hog due to how the codec works at the decompression stage.

I run a 2010 Intel Quad for modelling in Blender 2.8 with Linux Mint and so far, I get along fine.

Davinci Resolve runs well on my Ubuntu, making use of both, cpu and gpu when rendering. Very fast and snappy. Gimp has improved much recently too, now offering more gpu supported filters and functions.

great work. would be great comparing them in 3.0+ since it got much faster.

It would be interesting to see if increasing thread priority in windows 10 task manager helps with the performance. Anyway, awesome benchmark. Thanks for sharing!

@Dutch3DMaster

2 жыл бұрын

I have tested this a couple of times with the same scenes, only seeing a marginal speed increase per frame (think of milliseconds that after testing it 10 times were consistent enough of a result to be capable of noting it down to increasing task priority). The increase was about 5-10 milliseconds with higher task priority, with having the OS overall freeze during rendering was to much of a tradeoff for me compared to how "big" the speed increase actually was.

Anyone that has to render 3D animation videos, doing it in linux will be a big advantage, i mean just calculate saving that percentage per render... It´s a big chunk of time saved. Thanks for the video. Have to install a version of ubuntu and test this with my rig to see if I have better performance like you had.

@hanro50

3 жыл бұрын

Any results?

Apparently using Linux makes a big difference on my second get i3 potato laptop with no GPU.

@normanmai52

4 жыл бұрын

I have a i3 with no GPU and blender 2.8 is laggy as hecc

@EdLrandom

4 жыл бұрын

@@normanmai52 linux?

@nofabe

4 жыл бұрын

@N. Ibraimo whoosh

@iluan_

4 жыл бұрын

I run Void Linux on an ARM single-board PC with no GPU, runs like a charm.

@1ne8ighty

3 жыл бұрын

@@normanmai52 I have a dedicated gpu on my 9 year old laptop and the viewport is laggy as hell

great video, Thank you

Great video!

Ive been getting similar improvements with houdini. Also in terms of ram ive had sims eating up all 128gb on Windows where the same sim peaked at 70gb on Linux.

Wow just imagine how fast it could be on an optimized arch installation...

Great video! I'd love to see how Nuke performs in Windows vs Linux :)

Another important point is that Ubuntu (and most other distros) use ext4 for your partition. This, compared to windows ntfs, speeds loading times in programs and copying of files. In my experience spinning disks get actually a good boost by this f.e. when you load into games.

Given the simulations are (i would expect) compute-bound (and single-threaded, IIRC), it sounds like the 2.80 Windows release of blender is not optimized for your specific CPU and the Linux version is fetching a build for your specific CPU.

I already Use Linux. Been using it for years. LINUX IS AWESOME!

@BlenderBurst

4 жыл бұрын

@stillFLiP Awesome! Yeah I use Blender, Krita, Gimp, and all those software's too.

@akira9449

4 жыл бұрын

What linux distro are you using? I use arch btw.

@onesandzeroes

4 жыл бұрын

@Zinogg I don't know about AMD, but I don't think Nvidia drivers for Linux are inferior. Have you tried any benchmarks?

@akira9449

4 жыл бұрын

@Zinogg Nvidia and Amd support on linux is okey as much as on Windows. Did you know some *popular* games much better on linux? And Windows literally sucks. They do not even respect your privacy for money

@BlenderBurst

4 жыл бұрын

@@akira9449 I use Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.

Great video CG Geek. But I assume this speed comparison was in O(1). Can you do similar comparison but with different data sets and see whether the time difference between the two increases in similar ratio or remains constant

This is an interest thing to learn, thanks!

It's been known for a long time that Linux has much better memory management than other OSes. Back in the 2000s, some people found that running World of Warcraft under Wine on Linux gave you a few extra FPS than on Windows. Good to see this backed up with some evidence that is accessible and easy for the public to understand. Good job.

@Luxalpa

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, almost all other applications run much worse on Linux than on Windows :(

@zocker1600

4 жыл бұрын

@@Luxalpa really? do you have examples? I mean yes it's totally true when you speak of games, because mostly those are crappy ports or need sth like DXVK or wine in order to run but at least for me, production software like Davinci Resolve runs faster on linux, not by that big margin like blender though (it's ~10-15%)

Blender 2.8 Evee crashes all the time On my windows 10, But On my linux (Ubuntu) Everything is fine. I need to try Ubuntu Studio

@baldpolnareff7224

4 жыл бұрын

I've been using Ubuntu Studio for over a couple of years now, it's basically just Ubuntu with xfce and a low latency kernel (great for recording music), plus some extra software pre installed. Nothing special, it's just ubuntu, but still very nice.

@GaryParris

4 жыл бұрын

its not bad! but i'm using fedora 29

@DouglasEKnappMSAOM

4 жыл бұрын

I love Manjaro kde!

@ChrisD__

4 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend Pop!_OS or Manjaro over Ubuntu Studio.

@ped7g

4 жыл бұрын

For long windows users I would suggest to try various linux distributions in "live" mode (without installing them) to see how the default config of desktop feels to you (and how well it works with your HW by default), I would for example expect "Kubuntu" to feel lot more familiar to windows users than Ubuntu. (if you already installed some distro and now you think some other would be better, usually any distro can be reconfigured into similar state like other has default, i.e. it's possible to install also KDE5 desktop environment into regular Ubuntu, although then there may be few artefacts like having several text editors installed, etc.. which can be resolved by further customization and configuration of course... and usually it's no big deal to live with those artefacts for some time. And then I would suggest to reinstall whole linux after 2-5 years from scratch, the upgrades between versions usually work very well, but there's still some "cruft" accumulating in old config files, etc... Ideally if you buy new HW and run it in parallel with old, so you can slowly migrate.) To OP: same goes with going from Ubuntu to Ubuntu Studio, if you know you want to reinstall the box any way, you can first try to install package like `ubuntustudio-desktop` and its dependencies, low latency kernel, etc.. and you will theoretically end with Ubuntu Studio. Then you can check about those artefacts I'm mentioning above, maybe it will work good enough to avoid reinstall. Although fresh start with new knowledge about linux, allowing you to partition disks and config the install more in your favour is for me personally always interesting option. I did notice the upgraded/reconfigured machines after few years tend to be in tiny bit less consistent state than fresh install, most of the time it's not like having some faults or issues, but booting+login into desktop may take like half a second more, etc...

Very interesting thx!

Just imagine the increase if you were using one of the lighter Ubuntu Flavors such as Xubuntu (XFCE) or Lubuntu (LXQT) which is slowly becoming my favorite desktop environment for Linux. LXQT feels like a light version of PLASMA. Gnome on the other hand is more resource heavy compared to the other desktop options like, Mate, XFCE, LXQT, or a Plain Window Manager. This is a great video idea which gives me the idea to do a test like this for Audio using Avid’s Pro Tools. Granted most Modern OS’s with even low specs can chew through large mixing sessions with 100 tracks or more even on a laptop but, I think this has inspired me to give it a shot! Great video and thanks for the idea!

As far as I know, Linux is MUCH better at managing it's memory and data storage than Windows is. It's used by technicians, engineers, scientists and the like, because it's so much more efficient and not to mention stable than Windows.

@xox8717

4 жыл бұрын

Nah it's just Blender devs don't give a shit about Windows developement like any FOSS fanatics so they're to blame not the OS , it has been like this for many years.

@daveleitz9107

4 жыл бұрын

There are reasons why the world's supercomputers and data centers use the Linux kernel: It's faster, scalable, open source, and FASTER. There are reasons why the world's personal computers still use Windows: It's installed by default, has the majority of market share (for now), and consumer level applications follow the market. Oh and Microsoft

@aloiskleinestier1848

4 жыл бұрын

I'm one of these engineers. I got fed up with Windows and the bloated crap it was in 2006 and switched to Debian. So much nicer and more reliable ever since. I have never regretted the change and now see that I knew long ago what people are realizing just now.

@AndersJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@aloiskleinestier1848 I am also one of those computer users that ditched MS Windows ME when it ruined my Redhat installation the second time. Used and administrating computers professionally of different brands and os:es since 1984. All from huge multi user computers with up to a couple of 100 simultanious usesr down to MS DOS and 8 bit singel user systems. MS Windows never been any good, tecnically. Except for NT, which they changed into worse with each update. Personally I have uninstalled MS Windows since 2000 and professionally not used M S Windows on my work machine since 2002, or something. Used Sun and SGI workstations before that.

@sobreaver

4 жыл бұрын

And free ??!! nahhh that can't be =]

MX Linux - When I use this vs Windows the feeling is lightning fast. Like playing a 60FPS game vs one running at 25FPS.

@mahdi7d1rostami

4 жыл бұрын

mx is faster than ubuntu thanks to xfce rather than gnome

@khaled.aldajani

4 жыл бұрын

Endeavour is faster than them both because it's Arch :)

@mahdi7d1rostami

4 жыл бұрын

@@khaled.aldajani it seems intresting to me. i hadnt heard its name before and i was searching for an arch based distro with that features for a while. thank you for introducing it.

@khaled.aldajani

4 жыл бұрын

@@mahdi7d1rostami You are welcome Btw they are gonna make a net installer so you can choose whatever DE you want

@yash1152

4 жыл бұрын

what about fedora?

I figured out a powerful EEVEE render settings trick just yesterday. It solved my PC freezing issues while attempting to create a animation render of any sort. Will toss up a video on it soon. Thanks Mike for all of your tests you've made. I gotta purchase me a new machine soon to ever get to performance levels that are optimal. My gaming PC truly sucks. What did you set the Render value at for your EEVEE renders? It matters when it comes to render time for sure especially using EEVEE for animations.

Good vid !!

On one hand, Linux programmers payed way more attention to performance, but on the other hand, blender developers probably use Linux and optimization is thus based on Linux systems.

@aloiskleinestier1848

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt that, from what it looks like, most of them use Windows. It is simply that Linux is more efficient, period.

Thanks. Never liked Apple so I've been with Windows from the beginning. But, the more I experience 'allergic reactions' to Win10 'updates' and the more I learn about MS business practices in general (intentionally monopolistic) the less I like them.

@basedanetto

2 жыл бұрын

I've been windows most of my life till, till trying Ubuntu out in 2016. Came back to Linux in 2021 off and on. Only reason I use Windows is FL Studio

Great video, thanks for that. I'm sure a lot of people will find this both interesting and useful. It now seems a no brainer to use Linux for Blender, especially for anything likely to be time intensive, like rendering.

Would be interesting to see if it is possible to do a benchmark using Libre Office Calc with some calculation, or other software that exist for both Linux and windows.

Every blender *other than mac users* need to see this.

Disclaimer I am a open source dev. I was a bit sceptical about this video. Windows very optimized for nvidia. Linux is a bit behind in nvidia drivers. Using bloated ubuntu but fair beginner OS with older kernel? I am very surprised with the result. Thanks to the content creator for his time and effort. For me this a great win for the open source community. We need to attract more creators to our platform.

@uzefulvideos3440

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I also expected graphics performance to be slightly higher on Windows. I was really surprised by the speed differences in CPU rendering, seems like the Blender developers only optimize their software for Linux and also made a bad choice for the Windows compiler. The difference really shouldn't be that big. Not that I would really care, I run Blender on Arch Linux.

@ark_knight

4 жыл бұрын

@@uzefulvideos3440 Or Windows is just terrible and Linux is superior. As you should know, Linux is able to run games faster than Windows even when its not native to Linux.

@uzefulvideos3440

4 жыл бұрын

​@@ark_knight I very much doubt that this is true.

@ark_knight

4 жыл бұрын

@@uzefulvideos3440 Don't believe me, you can go check Forbes or Phoronix. I am just a messenger.

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

4 жыл бұрын

@@uzefulvideos3440 They use Microsoft’s compiler for Windows. Is that a bad choice? (Hint: What do they use to build Windows itself?)

Just switched this week. Great timing.

Yea i noticed the speed without benchmark ! I use other windows applications with linux wine and they run fast ! thanks for the video

awesome ! i would love you to compare other software to! like fusion 360, zbrush, houdini, cinema 4d. please!!

@onesandzeroes

4 жыл бұрын

Compare it to what? Those programs don't run natively on Linux.

@RuthwikRao

4 жыл бұрын

You could see Blender becoming pretty much unworkable at 2 million for sculpting. Zbrush can eat that shit up like breakfast, it doesn't break a sweat on my pc even until 10 to 20 million, this is the one major thing holding back sculpting in Blender imo and Pablo Dobarro knows this and is hoping to fix somehow.

@IronMan-yg4qw

4 жыл бұрын

@@RuthwikRao i am just talking about the speed difference of linux an windows and different 3d an other software. not debating blender vs zbrush.

@IronMan-yg4qw

4 жыл бұрын

@@onesandzeroes natively or not there are ways to run those software on linux.

@Lorriar

3 жыл бұрын

@@IronMan-yg4qw yup like wine

Linux terminal is insanely cool. It can apt-get whatever you want except a girlfriend.

@rexevan6714

4 жыл бұрын

just type "git clone girlfriend"

@hereb4theend

4 жыл бұрын

@Qushy will there be a Womanjaro?

@hereb4theend

4 жыл бұрын

@@rexevan6714 she wouldn't commit and keep merging with any dude with a vim editor.

@vincenzo3574

4 жыл бұрын

@Qushy try using pure arch...

@vincenzo3574

4 жыл бұрын

@Qushy an hour? Nah man, 20 mins is enough

Thanks for this

Enjoyed the discussion, but would love to see this with the "For those not able to switch" due to employer or other constraints - here are some Windows optimizations I tried that closed the performance gap.

@Dutch3DMaster

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the optimizing you can do on Windows will not get you even close to the performance on Linux, there's just so much bloatware on 10 (and 11 is probably worse) that can not be uninstalled without wrecking core features of the OS that make you unable to install or use certain software. I've wrecked 10 quite bad (deinstalled Cortana at one point) and while yes, navigating folders was better, the OS nagging that I should look at my internet connection, and all the applications that tie in to the Windows function of being able to contact Microsoft to let them know what's happening on your machine ultimately breaking, was to big a problem.

It would be interesting to see some results between different Linux Distributions, while Canonical has helped bring a lot of interest to Linux as a whole, but honestly Ubuntu is one of the most bloated of the Distro's out there, but in saying that, what Canonical has added has made getting a start into Linux a lot easier. I've never actually used any Adobe products (except Acrobat Reader, and even that is only on my phone), so you can certainly get away from using Adobe, it's only a learning curve.

@framegrace1

4 жыл бұрын

You are on a Windows mindset here. On Linux, bloat is mostly just used disk space. In this kind of workloads, it doesn't really matter much. All Linux distros run basically the same amount of services/daemons in the background.

@DiemenDesign

4 жыл бұрын

@@framegrace1 Trust me, no I'm not. I've been an IT Tech for over 25 years, in that time I've tried my hand at many Distro's, currently using Mint Debian Edition, I haven't touched Microsoft products for at least 10 years apart from helping someone with an issue, or wiping it off a preinstalled new system. If you look more closely at Distro's like Ubuntu they run background services to help the user experience, which in of itself isn't totally a bad thing if it helps more user get into using Linux, but it does run more services, and as most experienced users know, more services means the system is spending time doing more processing, hence bloat.

@aloiskleinestier1848

4 жыл бұрын

From my experience from rendering for a long time on Linux with Blender: Linux is put together pretty much the same on all Linux Distros, you will not find any significant preformance difference between different Distros, not on powerful hardware, which, BTW, you will need anyway for using Blender for rendering.

If you need Adobe set for work - the solution can be virtual machine with windows - it often runs faster than the regullary installed windows too :)

@Lumpiluk

4 жыл бұрын

How is that possible? I rarely have to start my VM, so almost every time I do Windows immediately wants to use at least 50% of my virtual CPU resources for searching for updates

@MilanRys

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lumpiluk I set off asking for updates and disconnected the VM from net - so it is rather "enviroment" for running Adobe set :)

@hanro50

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lumpiluk windows nowadays gets tested heavily on VMs. Since someone at Microsoft decided it was a good idea to stop using physical computers for Windows stress testing

One of the main differences with speed is probably due to Linux being priority number one on the Blender dev team with Windows being number two or three depending on where Mac sits.

Very nice, I am already using ubuntu studio and blender and also opentoonz

Windows 10 by default has too many stuff running on the background,, and add to it that most of the blender developers they code on linux too. So kinda expected.

Where can I get that shirt?

@theslashr

4 жыл бұрын

@Joel Berry Do you know what a shirt is?

@TheThirdLieberkind

4 жыл бұрын

@@theslashr well then, where can I get that shi*t?

@yash1152

4 жыл бұрын

i thought same, but then i thought that maybe i am more of a cad guy, then i ditched this idea lol

@retrodragon2249

4 жыл бұрын

@Prometheus 2019 Ah, yes, I use Shirt OS

Well done! Just a small thing though... you should probably Google what a kernel of an operating system is.

And to think I was about to drop 110 on Windows 10... Steve, your channel is the gift that just keeps. on. giving.

gcc on linux vs msvc on windows seems to be the reason for performance gap

@yash1152

4 жыл бұрын

whats GCC? (ignore this:-> #save for later blender developement msvc)

@SilverXLB

4 жыл бұрын

@@yash1152 software compiler

@MichaelPohoreski

4 жыл бұрын

Yash Pal Goyal *GCC* = Gnu compiler collection (open source) *clang* = another popular compiler (open source) *MSVC* = Microsoft's proprietary closed source Visual C++ compiler There are endless debates on the quality of code produced by the various compilers. In some tests msvc is faster other times gcc is faster. It really depends on what you are compiling.

Steve, I have to make this remark (it's my pet peeve). The singular of "vertices" is "vertex". As well as switching to Linux, tutorial makers should switch to the correct form of this word :-)

@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic

4 жыл бұрын

Pawelices, pedantic commenters sweating the small stuff is a pet peeve of mine. ;) When spoken - "Vertice" (sounded as Verticee, no 's' at end), as well as "Vertice" (sounded Vertiss - no eee) - many of us use either to refer to a singular vertex, among other vertices. Also, yes, sometimes used to mean a vertex, singular or singular among others. Language is not static, it's this kind of thing that is an example of how words are dynamic and not limited to academic renderings of "correct" usage. The reality is, it works, or it wouldn't be so common in tutorials, and frankly, common in the spoken vernacular among us in the trenches. If the teammate I'm talking with tried to correct me on this one, I'd be hard fit not to want to smack him for wasting both our time and focus on production stunting minutia. :)

@onesandzeroes

4 жыл бұрын

@@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic I know language is not static, but it doesn't mean I won't react when mans or womans like you slaughter it.

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

4 жыл бұрын

@Adam Richard “Linuxen”. ;)

Oh my god. thank you dear. I really love this video.

@cg geek Just out of curiosity , would that speed difference be the same on a 25frms render ? would it matter if it the scene is dynamic and not with static objects ? I am talking about the start phase that seems to be the issue , if you remove that from both the result is more or less the same . For my case (linux centos) I will like to use blender as an atmospheric (stuff) generator for comp stuff . And my software of choice is better in Linux than Mac . It's not in PC so I have to swap back n forth with C4D/Arnold as it is my main tool .

I use Linux since 2006. I use Kubuntu, but I disable many unneeded feetures so it becomes super fast and super friendly.

@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain

3 жыл бұрын

You know that linux company are partnered with microsoft right cause of Azure

@user-zl5cv6vw2m

3 жыл бұрын

@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain Linux isn't a company. Microsoft use Linux for their Azure servers.

@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-zl5cv6vw2m let me ask you what about thousands of hackers stalkers killers use linux?

@user-zl5cv6vw2m

3 жыл бұрын

@@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain Lmao what??

@Greetsfuckers-GamingMain

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-zl5cv6vw2m dont lmao me yet , what if they use to track people that what I was saying example hack into cctv or baby monitor camera?

Solid results. I've done the same analysis and did in fact throw out Windows just after Win 10 started infecting the world. I's really is hard to understand why companies won't support Linux better. Write for Linux, port to Windows is such a killer choice!!! ... and I'm saying that as a SW-engineer/-architect with 35+ years of experience of both platforms.

@rileyguy5892

4 жыл бұрын

I've been wanting to switch to linux and think it's definitely the superior operating system, but the only thing holding me back is my specific monitor configuration and VR. I have 1 monitor on my 2070, 3 on my 970 and one on my iGPU. Trying to get this specific setup running under linux with proprietary drivers was less than feasible for me. But if I solved those two specific problems I'd be perfectly fine. Any tips?

@jonasprintzen9508

4 жыл бұрын

@@rileyguy5892 I've had plenty of configurations but not exactly yours. I don't know where your specific config fails, but in general I think long-term. Switching may sometimes invalidate prior choices. But long term it's not the most important issue. There are always solutions.Early days with Linux (decades ago) this may not have been true, but today I always get it working if I build the system for running Linux, and with MUCH less fuzz.

@rileyguy5892

4 жыл бұрын

I'll have to tinker around with it sometime, though I think the graphical driver department is something that needs improvement.

@win8linux

4 жыл бұрын

If you use a Vive or Valve Index @@rileyguy5892, then you can play VR on Linux.

@rileyguy5892

4 жыл бұрын

Do valve's headsets really work well enough on linux to be able to play most VR games?

Yes, I fully appreciate your review, I am going with Ubuntu studio, for my editing, etc, just had some ridiculous problems with adobe as well. I have been running Linux with the USB stick before Installing it, ran without a glitch. I will eventually buy ATEM mini pro, hopefully, that works on Linux. I have seen some positive remarks.

I am using Elementary OS Linux Distro for blender. Its a clean distro to recommend.

This matches my experience, though I don't use Blender much. This was particularly noticeable for the original Quake back when Win95 was required to play over network. The Linux port was noticeably faster. I've been gaming on Linux ever since and everytime we switched to Windows for testing it's been dog slow. I can't imagine anyone having a good gaming experience on Windows.

@crisgriffin3042

4 жыл бұрын

Well Quake is an OpenGL game, just like Valve games and Minecraft. Unix and Radeon GPUs were always way better at rendering it.

@cheako91155

4 жыл бұрын

@@crisgriffin3042 The original Quake was NOT written in OGL, it was software rendered and it was awesome. There is GLQuake, but that came from after the source release.

nice! How about repeat this with Arch-Linux instead of Ubuntu and on a recent Ryzen instead of i9?

@fleefie

4 жыл бұрын

It will probably be extremely simmilar, contrary to popular rumors and such, linux is linux, the difference is barely noticable ;) Exept for source-based distros like Gentoo or some optimised stuff like Clear Linux for intel hardware ofc haha

@stunt_niklas452

4 жыл бұрын

you cant really compare archlinux because every install is different

Now I would be interested in seeing the difference between your base install of Ubuntu 19.04 which I believe comes with Kernel 4.15 and The same but with the kernel and and all packages updated to Kernel 5.0 or 5.3. As a linux exclusive user, I definitely noticed better performance on Kernel 5, but I don't do CG, just found this interesting.

Super cool!