Please pay more attention to GB and GiB, plus I like to see the real number, assuming your storage is 512GB I made the true calculation in GB: Fedora - 7.7 GB Arch - 45 GB Ubuntu - 49.2 GB Windows - 72 GB

@draftofspasiba2

3 ай бұрын

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@CA-JA

3 ай бұрын

Is arch using GiB or GB ?

@LordHonkInc

3 ай бұрын

@@CA-JA4:10 it shows GiB

@Batwam0

3 ай бұрын

I was quite surprised Ubuntu and Arch could take this much space. That didn’t look right 😮

@Mauzy0x00

3 ай бұрын

All of these tests with endeavor are taken with a grain of salt

Edge opens faster on Windows 11 because it was running in the background already.

Note that Edge on Windows 11 is always preloaded in the background at all times. You can disable this, but its enabled by default which means its still on your ram even if you don't use it

@aladdin8623

2 ай бұрын

Not only ram but it occupies vram like some other apps in windows. This results in less free vram for games.

@aladdin8623

2 ай бұрын

Especially ngreedia gpu owners may not like to have even less vram :)

@astronemir

2 ай бұрын

I mean we can also optimize the shit out of our Linux kernels never mind the desktop environment and distro. I think it makes sense to test vanilla like this. Was really informative

@arshkhanlm3086

2 ай бұрын

@@aladdin8623 NVIDIA GeForce more like NVIDIA GeNocide (They are building a supercomputer for Israel)

@EquaTechnologies

2 ай бұрын

Teams too, it makes your fan race, like really.

The reason things like kdenlive loaded faster on arch linux is because it ran kde plasma. The qt and other libraries are already loaded as they are used by other processes

@chickenbobbobba

3 ай бұрын

thats a solid point, itd be very interesting to see a comparison between windows, and a distro like fedora with different DEs / WMs (eg gnome, kde, xfce and / or lxde, and maybe i3 / sway)

@SloppyPuppy

2 ай бұрын

Makes sense, integrated tool chains.

The Python results are not surprising, because on Windows, Python can't use the fork() system call so they have to make an entirely new process for parallel computing.

@overlord1995

3 ай бұрын

That's a really interesting explanation, thanks. I remember for a uni class I had to create my own shell on Linux, implement some of my own commands (the coolest one was my simplified version of Neofetch), so I had to make a forking function to allow me to run my own shell Although of course, my shell was written in C

Great comparison, thanks for the video. However, if you are going to call EndeavorOS Arch Linux, you might as well call Ubuntu Debian ☺

@fireninja8250

2 ай бұрын

I'm on Debian switching from Ubuntu. They're basically the same so I don't get your point.

@AzureUnlinked

2 ай бұрын

Ubuntu is bloated as heck and uses snap, meaning dependencies dont get shared amongst packages. I guess thats about it​@@fireninja8250

@da_pwo

2 ай бұрын

@@fireninja8250 same with endeavouros and arch

@bibekshah3701

2 ай бұрын

​@@fireninja8250, most cases, yes. This video is a comparison of minor differences. It's entirely different. Also, KDE and gnome is a whole different thing, back when I used either of those, KDE was like giga slow.

@OkarinHououinKyouma

2 ай бұрын

If you enable the Ubuntu repo on Debian, you are basically using Ubuntu.

Just one thing, 435 Gib are equal to 467 Gb so windows is last 😢

@piman13_71

3 ай бұрын

I really don't get why windows continues to use GB when everything else seemingly uses ... idk which there called like we keep representing Gib as GB and that gets so confusing

@LaugeHeiberg

3 ай бұрын

​@@piman13_71It's metric vs binary Funny how metric is the one that makes less sense

@piman13_71

3 ай бұрын

@@LaugeHeiberg Ya but honestly what bothers me most is why we don't just pick Binary and go with it. OMG some idiot who didn't know now thinks he has more storage! THAT'S IT! nothing else changes because windows is the only one who uses the messed up version

@uuu12343

3 ай бұрын

Goddamn it, Gibi vs Giga strikes again

@darkiceywolf2953

3 ай бұрын

Well, no, there's gigabit, and there is gigabyte those are two different mesurments infact isps will usually advertise there speed in gigabit not gigabyte.

always love comparison videos like this, thanks :) tiny suggestion for next time: when you call out the time of one of the OS-es, stick that time in the screen of that OS. This way we can also visually compare them which is easier than running back the video to hear your voice. (and stop + remove the timer once the last OS has done its thing)

If I'm completely honest as a Linux user of two years, the differences aren't that high right now between distros and Windows, but when I started using it there was a clear advantage for Windows in most things while Linux was behind or close behind, but right now this isn't the case and that speaks really good for Linux devs and distro maintainers

@bobdouglass8010

2 ай бұрын

I have been exclusively on kde and macos for a couple years now. when I use windows i'm shocked at how clumsy the experience is, like system-wide freezes while explorer decides whether or not a network mount is viable

@demoonk420

2 ай бұрын

still bad support nvidia, flickering and other.

@kishirisu1268

2 ай бұрын

So you finally have workimg language switcher on linux after 20 years of development? I dont ask about multimonitor support, next 30 yeras and job done LOL

@Azertyyys

2 ай бұрын

​@@bobdouglass8010so shocking. Rare ass freezes when you do a super specific task, that linux is better at because its an ancient ass OS that still relies on terminal heavily.

@MF2_ETaube

2 ай бұрын

It's just crazy how good is GNU/linux.

windows losing in the read/write and other CPU tests can probably be chalked up to a couple things... mainly, linux dev hasn't focused on graphics cards quite as long as windows has, but also, windows is probably tying up a good chunk of the CPU and RAM bandwidth to compile and transmit every moment of your existence to Microsoft so they can sell it to advertisers

@looncraz

3 ай бұрын

The main slow down is undoubtedly from Windows Defender, every action is being scanned and monitored by an anti-virus that none of the Linux distros have.

@nahidahmed9153

3 ай бұрын

@@looncraz i am sure thats the reason

@edelzocker8169

2 ай бұрын

​@@looncraz clamAV is installed on my system and realtime protection is on but it always says 0% cpu...

@SupremeCodyGaming

2 ай бұрын

Good ole tin foil hat innit.

@kyledupont7711

6 күн бұрын

You will get better fps in linux because you cant figure out how to get your monitor to display at native resolution

I know that Endeavour is about as close to Arch you can get without being vanilla Arch, but it's a bit misleading to call it "Arch" in a benchmarking video, especially when you check things like boot speed, storage, etc. Also I think going with Plasma for Endeavour nerfed it a bit extra, I think either going with Endeavour default (XFCE) or GNOME would be more fair. Not saying you shouldn't have used Endeavour, just call it "Endeavour".

@KajuTheRudeMonke

2 ай бұрын

I agree

@iandieb

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's just like saying you are testing Debian while actually using Ubuntu.

@Kashim_o

2 ай бұрын

Endeavouros default is no longer XFCE, they switched to KDE a few months ago

@MisterZig0

2 ай бұрын

​@@Kashim_oI did not know that, my live/installer USB is still using xfce.

@OkarinHououinKyouma

2 ай бұрын

Lmao going with Plasma gave advantage to KDE

Honestly, have been playing on linux for 2 years now and the situation is really improving, some games are implementing the linux compatible EAC (example For Honor) so all it's missing is some open source nvidia drivers

@ShrootBuck

3 ай бұрын

Even those are getting pretty good, didn't the nvk driver outperform official nvidia drivers on some stuff?

@Timely-ud4rm

3 ай бұрын

Those open-source NVIDIA drivers do exist! They've recently added support for Vulkan, and while there are still features missing, the project is making significant progress.

@ProtossOP

3 ай бұрын

@@ShrootBuckiirc in some games it did by a few percent, nothing crazy though. Too bad initial support is for 16/20 series and higher, my poor 1060 is crying.

@medisshehi9335

3 ай бұрын

@@Timely-ud4rm I remember that we got them but are still at 60% performance on avarage, but at this point I can see them getting close to proprietary in 1-2 years

@justinchristy9047

3 ай бұрын

IS "GREEN LUMA " supported on linux? Also can we mod games in linux like skyrim, gta v etc?

Surprising battery result - great to see

@bkmnst

3 ай бұрын

yeah, really surprising, considering hw acceleration in chromium is not a strong point of linux

@absor2820

3 ай бұрын

​@@bkmnst Yes, I'm curious if it's a local video playback test with VLC and hardware acceleration on

@chickenbobbobba

3 ай бұрын

@@bkmnst iirc there is some work happening to make hw acceleration work nicely on linux, so really hoping to see when that comes out

@AndRei-yc3ti

2 ай бұрын

​@@chickenbobbobba acceleration already works in firefox apparently

@chickenbobbobba

2 ай бұрын

@@AndRei-yc3ti neat

Please do this test again after kernel 6.9 is released later this year! Would be cool to see an intel vs AMD laptop comparison as well as desktop etc

I really appreciate that you used proper benchmarking software like phoronix test suite! I would appreciate more charts with numbers that have more significant digits. IE 1.244K vs 1.2K. The charts you generated did look nicer! Keep it up!

Thank You So Much I Appreciate Your Efforts So Much ❤

Ubuntu did surprisingly well. Fedora and Arch are both running a lot newer kernel versions so I thought Fedora would beat Ubuntu in virtually every task since you didn't go for 23.10, but Ubuntu ended up getting a lot of Ws against Fedora!

Would be interesting (and useful) to see the benchmarks in wsl.

@theworldoffun8997

3 ай бұрын

wsl is a virtual machine, dude. Results are gonna be lower

@adonnen

3 ай бұрын

@@theworldoffun8997 Obviously. But how much lower? How much worse than bare-metal linux? Can it beat native Windows for some of the poorer-optimized workloads? These are really Practical issues. Honestly, just seeing a short or addendum would be nice, though I know it's not likely he sees this.

@BestSpatula

3 ай бұрын

@@theworldoffun8997 wsl is not a virtual machine, wsl2 is.

@emeukal7683

3 ай бұрын

​@@adonnenit's alot lower. But on any quadcore laptop u can use any terminal application just fine on windows. Or learn powershell and use remmina for ssh.

@BattousaiHBr

3 ай бұрын

@@BestSpatula wsl2 superseded wsl1, when people say "wsl" they are referring to wsl2.

Hint: When you copy stuff on windows and you click on "Fewer details" it will transfer faster, because it's not doing the caluclation for speed anymore.

GiB not the same as GB

I moved from win 10 -> win 11 -> Ubuntu -> fedora in a span of one week.Fedora is working smoothly for now.I did face some issues initially but it is fine now

I have a tablet (nabu) that runs Windows 11 and Ubuntu 23.10 (both aarch64), so this video came in very handy 😁

I installed Fedora 39 a week back. After setting up thr nvidia drivers, it is butter smooth, uses very less ram (2gb) as compared to windows 11 microwin (4gb).

@chickenbobbobba

3 ай бұрын

im on nobara linux (fedora based) and it uses 1.3gb idle, which is sooo nice on my laptop with 8gb ram. windows took 4.5gb on the OEM install

@MF2_ETaube

2 ай бұрын

On a 8gb laptop, using win11 is painful an extreme debloat still uses more gb of ram, compared to just a standart fresh install of GNU

@Zerahu

Ай бұрын

went to actual arch linux on my laptop recently and with hyprland loaded it idles at 600mb of ram. Insane difference from windows 😂

@MF2_ETaube

Ай бұрын

@@Zerahu I just recently installed fedora on my laptop also did some light debloating, because half of the stuff in fedora really isn't useful, like calendar, software center, virtual machine, ibus extensions. And now my laptop uses a whooping 1gb of Ram, compared to always 2,5gb on a heavy debloat of windows. Even with firefox, just 2gb

@Zerahu

Ай бұрын

@@MF2_ETaube nice man gotta love to hear it. Same with my system now, during workload with around 6-10 browser tabs open my system is chilling around 2-3G of ram which is so nice. Windows was maxxing out those 8gbs I got all the time. I used ubuntu for a couple months first though which also ran quite alright but arch is simply on something else ahhah

Is there a way to test for the most reliable or ‘available’ in terms of reboots needed, bsod’s or any type of outage, updates, etc?

Hey Techhut, it's good to know you are still making videos. 👍Hope everything is going well

@TechHut

3 ай бұрын

It's been busy! Content should pick up. Just graduated university.

@MannyGraal

3 ай бұрын

@@TechHut Graduation is huge, congrats! You must be feeling so relieved from that. Looking forward to the future videos. I'm currently excited to test out the pop OS cosmic desktop when it comes out to beta.

Nice tube, would like to see some video encoding results in test like that. Especially if you will do N100 benchmarks.

on EndeavourOS installing using BTRFS automatically selects zstd disk compression and it will be the smaller install from that point forward (yes, zstd is great)

great test, thanks for the work

Nice.. Also, these bots need to stop lmao

@matthewbass8152

3 ай бұрын

What’s ur worst job lol

@TechHut

3 ай бұрын

Right, like at least make sense lol

I use Fedora KDE variant and works nice for me + its installed on kingston sata SSD.

@gagangurung5297

3 ай бұрын

me too

Well done. All this extensive testing would have taken you ages.

Finally after a long time . This video i always want ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉

Would be interesting to see which filesystems the different Linuxes were installed to and if baremetal or LVM is used. I am sure this makes a difference in the test results.

about the file copying test, I have a computer running Linux, and my laptop on Windows 11. And copying anything to / from my pendrive is faster than Windows, BUT, WITH ONE QUIRK. Idk why but in Linux, whenever I finish copying files to my pendrive, it takes some time when I try to eject it. But in Windows, as soon as the transfer is finished, I can immediately eject it. So ultimately, In Linux, its transfer time + eject time. Where in Windows, its only the transfer time. If anyone has any logical explanation for this please clarify.

@iijj22gg

2 ай бұрын

The Linux kernel makes your file available at it's new location faster by moving most of the data and updating the filesystem, while in the background it's still moving the rest of the data (like from the USB to your hard drive). Why? Developer obsession. If you didn't want to detach the drive right away, you wouldn't notice a thing.

@SifatUllah-12

2 ай бұрын

@iijj22gg What is "Developer Obsession"? And it's this a bit misleading? Like it shows the copying is complete, but if you try to eject it, is says "Do not remove, writing data to usb". Why not just show the real speed in the first place? I'm guessing the answer is "developer obsession", so, I'd be greatful if you clarify this term also.

@iijj22gg

2 ай бұрын

@@SifatUllah-12 Basically the devs who worked on this were obsessed with storage management, to the point where people have made debatable decisions. Although to further clarify, an entirely different set of developers worked on the GUI app you used to drag and drop the file, and I've only seen one or two file managers with a lingering visual indicating the kernel is still cleaning up in the background.

what settings did you use for these? Both windows and fedora come with profiles which can heavily skew the results depending on what you're aiming for

What File systems and partitioning schemes did you use on the Linux installations ?

Copying in windows and linux is not the same. In Linux, the fact that the system shows copying completed does not mean that the process is finished. Even in the case of SSD, Linux still needs a few seconds in the background to save the cache. So unless you changed your configuration before the test, this one is not reliable.

@nipunamarasekara607

3 ай бұрын

I had the same experience. When windows says copying the file is done, it's done and device can be removed right away. But in linux systems it's still running in background for some reason. Until it properly finished user cannot safely eject the device.

@Dobaspl

3 ай бұрын

@@nipunamarasekara607 It's even worse when we talk about moving files. The system erases files from the source before providing a write to the target. If the connection is interrupted during this time, the files are lost (excluding recovery tools from the source). And if you turn off the cache, copying takes forever. But the cache is not the problem, Windows also uses it, the problem is that the GUI does not know that the copying is still in progress, but it should be.

@altosack

3 ай бұрын

@@dreaper5813- I last used Windows in 2000 before I quit that job (they were still using NT, not 2000). Now, if a company makes it a requirement to use Windows, (barely metaphorical!) red flags and blaring sirens keep me on the right path.

@Dobaspl

2 ай бұрын

@@dreaper5813 Which doesn't change the facts. The comparison of the copying process presented in the video makes absolutely no sense. In typical home use, Linux does not copy files any faster or better than Windows.

@ParasAryan

14 күн бұрын

@dreaper5813 skill issue

Great comparison. Wish you also do a side by side comparison with Linux Mint.

Fedora battery life should improve even more next release when they transition from PPD to tuneD, and it might be getting x86 micro architecture levels (x64 v1/v2/v3) later down the line, similar to SuSE, for slightly better performance

For arch, you can get a way lower space footprint if you install a more minimal initial packageset during the setup; e.g. just installing GNOME + base stuff, or plasma + base stuff - a base plasma system can take up less than 6GB in many cases. I have a feeling that using endeavouros may have also affected boot times significantly

What versions of the kernel did the 3 Linux machines have? If it is a new CPU, battery life should be better on new kernels.

Awesome video, thanks.

Could you give a pros and cons with twingate vs wireguard?

great report

It will take longer but you could consider calculating the storage of preinstalled programs to get a better picture of the size of the OS.

Another important measurement that was missed is how much RAM was occupied by system processes

I also noticed this when I wanted to choose my Linux distribution to replace Windows. I found the Fedora distribution particularly heavy and slow, I'm not sure why. So, "finally", i switched to Debian 12 + Gnome. It's not too bad for the moment.

Interesting. I have Windows 11 and Fedora 39 in a dual boot setup, and Fedora certainly seems a bit snappier. I know that something is causing my 500 Mb internet to slow to a crawl in Windows 11, that didn't happen in Windows 10, and I have yet to pin it down (lots of users got a similar experience). Fedora has no such issue. As a matter of fact, somehow it gets a blistering 630 Mb/sec.

@no-prophet

3 ай бұрын

I use Arch (btw) and I get like 5 Tb/sec when it's cold outside, every other Friday I get even 10 Tb/sec, but only if my dog had already eaten. I've heard that a lot of other users get the similar experience even if they don't have dogs. Weird, isn't it?

@ruelsmith

3 ай бұрын

@no-prophet I tried Arch (btw), and it gave my dog diarrhea, and he caught a case of Parvo, too, so I deleted that unholy satanic rectal exam distro and installed a more pleasant experience. Now my dog is feeling much better and actually behaves well. Wierd, huh?

@NotSeggsySage

3 ай бұрын

I think you mean Mbps/MBps or something. ( If this was a joke i didn't get it, don't blame me).

@ruelsmith

3 ай бұрын

@@NotSeggsySage correct. Sorry. Had multiple things going at a time. Brain fart...

Interested to see these benchmarks, but with wsl2 included

I switched from OSX and Windows to Linux as my work daily driver. There was a pretty noticeable increase in the speed applications would load and running especially using i3WM with very little bells and whistles. Unfortunately, Linux isn't perfect as a work daily driver due to the amount of Windows/OSX products I have to use like Active Directory and Horos, but it's still nice to get away from Windows and OSX for a while.

Why using Crafty instead of some other modern open source engine like Stokfish? The project has been abandoned a long time ago and very likely the code does not scale well on modern CPU or even older ones considering how much time has passed.

@TechHut

3 ай бұрын

I'll note this for future benchmarking videos. Thank you.

@chopin4525

2 ай бұрын

@@TechHut No problem, asked out of curiosity! 👍

4:12 have you cleaned old pacman packages on Arch based system?

@Zerahu

Ай бұрын

He was wrong here as there is a big difference between GiB and Gb in terms of storage

Great video!🎉🎉🎉

Great comparison, I love those videos, thank you! Also quite subjective, only some praising of Linux in there. What is missing is a good summary. All the numbers were quite over the place, my brain starts melting to compile this all to one coherent picture. I love the phoronix guys, they always put a geometric mean graph/table at the end, which will take all results and compile one mathematically fair summary out of it. Also gaming is very complex. There is so much going on, every game will behave different on the systems, so using one benchmark is not enough to make any conclusion that linux lags behind. I think that it still does, but not as clear as it seemed in this benchmark.

I did a fresh install of EndeavourOS a few days ago on a 25GB partition (I chose GNOME over KDE, changed nothing else regarding packages) and mounted /home from another partition. Installed nothing since then, did one update of packages and my root partition right now sits at ~7,3 of 25 GB. So you can get away with way less space then the mentioned 45GB (converted from the free space in GiB).

I other criteria than speed would make for a far more genuine benchmark

Any ideas about why that render was nearly twice as fast on Fedora compared to Ubuntu?

Love the video, it's great that your making linux related content, and in a simple format educational to less knowledgeable people, however I feel like you are missing the point with some of these, linux being just the kernel means that its so modular with what you can attach to it or remove from it as the whole OS, for example linux + gnu base which is common is running on all these distributions I believe, however not all use systemd, that can affect performance, another thing to note is that the file transfer test is mostly influenced by the file system used, endevour os by default uses btrfs, even though ext4 has faster transfer rates, endevour won out here, I don't know how you configured each. In conclusion I'd recommend talking about the specific parts of each system that might influence it, because linux in reality is like lego, it's programmer's/tinker's minecraft 2, you can create whatever you imagine, and you can hack it to do whatever you imagine. The video is newb friendly but I like to go into shallow detail just so the person listening has something to grip on to learn further.

would be great to run the arch test in gnome so we can rule out slight performance differences between kde and gnome

Do you run these tests more than one to get average

What was the testing methodology? Did you repeat the tests at least 3 times for each OS?

@TechHut

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I repeated tests for all the synthetic benchmarking. Also repeated the side by sides just to make sure there wasn't any abnormalities from the initial recording. I ran the geekbench tests three times and phoronix test suite does three runs and gives us the average. Computer had about 10 minutes of idle time between each benchmark.

You should try the graphics test with unigine dx11 running under wine. That was significantly faster than native opengl when I tried it (~10%)

Well regarding Gaming on Linux I saw actually a massive performance boost from Ubutnu compared to Windows or Fedora. In Monster Hunter World (MT Framework) (sadly only DirectX, although it was also released for Playstation where its using Vulkan ????) Im running at the game at 1440p Windows : 140-150 FPS Fedora : 160-165 FPS Ubuntu : 175-185 FPS that being said i used on Ubuntu btrfs and the xanmod Kernel (Xanmod Kernel boosts gaming perf a little bit, btrfs worsens it if you are using Proton which you have to with this game) I was able to observer Similiar Results In Capcom Games running on the RE Engine aswell as in Gotham Knights (UE4) and Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order (UE4) (at the time of testing i didnt have Jedi Survivor), Minecraft performed mostly the same (generating chunks and world edit where a lot faster and smoother compared to Windows). When it Comes to emulation : Every emulator except Nintendo 3ds emualtors runs better on Linux. -if mentioning this causes issues please ask me to edit the comment and dont block or report it thx. PS: Raytracing shaders in Minecraft worked just as good on Linux My PC is all AMD just to note Zen4 + RDNA3 Only Caveat at the time i set my system up Corectrl the Counter part(atleast for HW tuning) to MSI afterburner or AMD Adrenalin Sogtware is it didnt fully support RDNA3 yet (it capped my GPU at 2200 Mhz although on Windows it would run at 2700 on default / auto settings -- turns out after a lot of testing it runs between 2100 and 2400 Mhz the most efficient and typically the highest efficiency at 2200 Mhz) And when it comes to developing or even just scripting : Windows: Trying to setup Programming Languages with the whole strange way to add things to the path etc is such a pa!n in the a$$ , trying to set up a Dev environment or SSH / Server-Managing Environment up is horrible experience and for those suggesting WSL / WSL2 a yes but it mostly doesnt work (try it for 2-3 months and youll see) its really bad and technically a VM running a strange Linux Kernel Fork of Microsoft. On Linux in order to code in C C++ or Python you technically dont even need an IDE, setting up a new IDE/Dev-Environment is so easy and painless compared to Windows. When it comes to Server, SSH, SSL or Networking stuff - thats just so much easier on Linux running a command or two editing a cfg or config file and its done. Last thing to mention is if you use ubuntu LTS dont use xanmod or Liquorix Kernels it will break stuff ( Dont use Liquorix at all some of the tuning that one has undergone is too agressive and for most tasks it worsens performance quite a bit atleast on Zen3 and Zen4 )

One test that would be interesting to see but would take a lot of time: power off laptop, wait one week, turn it back on and see how long it takes to install updates from the OS.

@iijj22gg

2 ай бұрын

Windows might not have any updates at all (but Windows updates are annoying anyway), Ubuntu might have a few things, idk about Fedora. Arch would update like half the system lol.

@kruknimbalt2787

2 ай бұрын

@@iijj22gg Well, it's Arch's feature, so this comparison may be not a good idea to do

Oh yes I do notice - baseon my laptop: - estimated battery life watching video - win - 1h30, Linux- 6h (I may have had some driver issues with windows as I compare it to your results, but my laptop has nvidia 😀) - Updates used to restore all the bloat that I had carefully disabled and removed on windows - not happening on Linux - If I want to quickly check something on a laptop I have not used in a month it does not give me forced updates and 1h wait until I see desktop on Linux 😀 - If I want to install something I do not need to browse internet for hours to find the small tool that does it.

File transfer results not real. On Linux systems need "sync" command after copy/move because Kernel does not finished in background.

Recently there was a German article that found that most Windows games are now faster with Linux with proton, than natively. Also Endeavor OS, as any arch have different kernels, ZEN, LTS, and RT, and other distros too I suggest you to use these variants in benchmarks to show which are better for each task. Last but not least, copy ext4 to ext4, btrfs to btrfs, xfs to xfs, zfs to zfs, ntfs to ntfs and extfat to extfat, copy/write are available on Linux, and with WSL on Windows and you can also add cross copying to show how the OSs perform. I dual boot MS WOS and Endeauvor OS, sometimes I do not use MS WOS for months, and I have to update it, and each time is slower the update, compared to any Linux, and also it feels slower it seems the mouse latency is less on Linux and the browser (now almost all chromium inside) is faster.

@derekmin6592

Ай бұрын

Can you tell me the address of this article? Thanks!

@mitcoes

Ай бұрын

@@derekmin6592 COMPUTERBASEBETRIEBSSYSTEMBERICHTE Linux-Gaming: Mit welcher Distribution laufen Windows-Games am besten? if links are censored

Was core isolation disabled on win11? It lowers performace a lot

@timothygibney159

3 ай бұрын

Yep and memory protection made Linux look faster

Nice but it's difficult to compare Linux Distros. Different desktop environments come with different amounts of bloat, packaging formats are different and so on. And I would argue most distros don't have a "default" configuration. You are free to chose your DE, and often Distro versions with more up to date packages and Kernels. On every Distro you can install Flatpak or Snap or native.

I use arch (btw) with cinnamon on my laptop and i get into the gui in 20 seconds, this includes loging in to the CLI, launching the gui and logging into the gui Cpu: Intel i5-1145G7 (8) @ 4.400GHz

Surprising results for Ubuntu overall, I expected it to go last of the Linux distros

¡Excelente video! Gracias bro Yo me cambié a Ubuntu hace 4 años, y ha sido la mejor decisión que he tomado en cuanto a uso de mi equipo se refiere. Tú lo ratificas hoy con tus pruebas. Fuerte abrazo y bendiciones desde Venezuela

Not directly related to the video but I noticed you have a iMac behind you, may I ask what you use it for? Is it for proprietary software reason or something else? I'm curious because I also love Linux but I always have to keep either a Windows or MacOS pc around to use some software that I really really need like Lightroom, the VSTs I use to record guitar in Reaper which also work as standalone amps on these os and so on.

Most of the time, when switching from Windows to Ubuntu, there tends to be a lot of compatibility issues for me whenever I try to do a Linux sprint for a time. There's just not enough stability for imo for my use case typically. In terms of performance, I have noticed that generally Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora...etc, those tend to run faster overall on my machine (and take up fewer resources in general). Its just every time I try to setup drivers, specific games I want to play, and more (like my Index for instance) there is just always some compatibility issue with any Linux flavor I have tried that makes the OS a no-go for me (no matter how much tinkering I try to do to fix it). Love Linux when I've used it...but sadly Linux does not love me back lol. Glad to see though in general that Valve has been doing an excellent job getting Linux compatibility off the ground (and slowly growing market share there).

@MellowTheHusky

2 ай бұрын

Well that depends on the graphics card you have. If u have an nvidia u need to make sure to install the proprietary drivers. If u have amd u will be fine and don't have to do anything unless u have problems.. (wich most likely will never happen unless u didn't do updates for years) When it comes to gaming u can almost get any game running as long as it doesn't have easy anti-cheat. And yes some games WILL get u to your limit in order to work (but that's part of the fun (and the learning curve) I guess)

I switched from win 11 to linux mint during christmas. i7 7700HQ, 1070gtx in an HP omen laptop. but I changed SSD and ram (from 512gb ssd and 16gb ram to 4tb ssd and 64gb ram). so I cannot truly compare the two. I had a period of a bit over a month where I ran windows with 64gb ram, it worked better, and switching to linux + faster SSD just ramped up the speed again. essentially, what I can say to everyone who wants to try: just do it, it isn't hard.

I don't have comparable machines to test on, but I can say that Windows performance in the wild is vastly different than a test system. I support hundreds of users and it certainly gives me a jaded perspective on the performance of Windows. Decent systems, generally, but they often run slow. I tune them up to make them perform better, but they're not great. Now, I have a Windows computer I use sometimes, for games or to run the LogMeIn cliet that they've failed to provide for Linux for a decade. Mostly RDPing into it from my Linux main computer. And, it's an older PC with a 6th Gen CPU. It seems to run quite well for it's age. Of course, I haven't put Windows 11 on it, so that probably has some bearing. And it's my computer, so conforming to my standards and not loaded with lots of background bloat. Non-tech people using their Windows PCs are the biggest performance hit is what I'm saying.

Appreciated!

Pretty interesting video. I would like to see a comparation with Windows X-Lite (It´s a costume lite version of Windows)

May I know the device specs? At least I wanna know the battery capacity.

Can you compare between CutefishOS vs Deepin ?

Many of the tests like storage, battery and general performance can't really be measured on Endeavour OS to then say that its that way on Arch too because Arch is much less bloated.

I wonder if using endeavour xfce would make any difference 🤷‍♂

For gaming who are the best? OS or distros

Graphics performance is going to be somewhat dependent on whether it's amd, intel or nvidia, and what application it is.

Impressed by fedora small size. Ultimately I think most people choose os based on convenience. I had SO many problems with fedora in the short time I tried it I just couldn't keep using it and went back to my windows + Ubuntu routine. When I tried manjaro it was great for a while, until I let the machine offline for a few months and got stuck in dependency hell. Arch I only used for a uni project, performance was great on a very bad laptop, but instalation was too cumbersome and, against, convenience. So yeah, I don't think Ubuntu is perfect and honestly I have a lot of problems/disagreements with it, same goes for windows, but they are the simplest to live with for my use. It's really hard to try and bring people to Linux if they can't first, do their job, and second, keep the machine running for a long time.

My Radeon RX 7900 XT is 10% above the Windows benchmarks if I use Proton and even higher if something runs native... In games too...

What is that usb with the removable nvme called?

I swap between windows 11 and Nobara (Fedora) both installed in separate SSD's. Every chance I have I am in Linux unless I absolutely need to do something in windows. Its laggier. slower to respond. Animations don't feel as fluid. Of course both are on same hardware and 240Hz screen. I consistently get errors or common windows issues doing things. I try to spend my time in Linux.

i use kubuntu for music production, and the rt low latency kernel on it, and the performance on lowest latency its a win for me.

Copy a file over the network from a Linux Server (any Linux desktop distro will do) over SMB and Windows will beat them ALL hands down. Only way you can get Linux to come close is to pre-add the network drive during boot-up basically outside of the GUI. For whatever reason, Windows beats it hands down when copying over the network.

@kruknimbalt2787

2 ай бұрын

I don't think that this is the issue for everyday desktop for most of the users

mine fedora already has kernel 6.7.4 for few days ... i wonder when mesa 24 ?

I love linux I want to use it for my daily driver on my gaming PC. The problem is I do not want to dual boot just to play VR games (i.e. play them well and see my desktop, another issue is I use OVR Space Calibrator for some tooling and that doesn't work on Linux) :(

You need to disable memory protection in windows 11 to make it equal. It’s not fair as Linux doesn’t have this security feature

In my opinion Endeavor is a pretty bad experience, I rate it worse than Mankato. I just don't like the default behaviors at all and it's also bloated feeling. Regular Arch with the stuff I need, configured to my liking, is miles better than anything else

I was going to say at the beginning of the video that the title must be changed, as EndevourOS is not Arch, and later on, it got confirmed in the tests.

also this is before turning off journaling on ext4 and presumably with default ram settings. this is just the starting point of putting windows dong in the dirt

Still while using them...windows feels more smoother to use & not able to customize touchpad gestures which is complete deal breaker for me on linux

You really shoulda ran pure arch. Endeavor is nice for easy setup but you can get arch faster with a pure install. Linux-zen kernel is more lightweight for example. Running a window manager generally is also much faster. I run arch pure w/qtile on most of my machines & it boots in less than like 8 seconds

But, why compare the LTS version of Ubuntu instead of just Mantic Minotaur vs Fedora 39?

In the battery test looks like fedora was on lower volume than the others maybe helped with battery