The look is a near-exact replica of NeXTstep. I think it looks great!

@dlarge6502

10 ай бұрын

It is part of GNUStep which makes it a replacement of NextStep. In fact GNUStep is part of OSX/iOS these days.

@BrodieRobertson

10 ай бұрын

@@dlarge6502 that's not exactly the case, Mac OS was based off of much of the work done within the NeXTSTEP operating system, and what is now known as Cocoa was originally called OpenStep, GNUStep is a free software free implementation of OpenStep

@anthonycotter1493

9 ай бұрын

​@@dlarge6502no it uses WINGS which stands for WINGS Is Not GNUStep Why would apple use GNUStep for iOS or MacOS when they can use Cocoa?

I loved Window Maker back in the day and didn't find it confusing at all.

@marsdrums6298

10 ай бұрын

It was kind of neat to find something in Linux that had a GUI interface. That was difficult to come by in the early mid 90's. I remember my first Linux installation (probably still have that CD somewhere... AND I DO! Linux Runtime System... dated 1994). Anyway, I installed it, rebooted, logged in and thought, "now what? It looks like a DOS Prompt... I don't want this..." But Window Maker actually made Linux more interactive when it came out. I liked that. It wasn't great, but I liked it.

@CaribouDataScience

4 ай бұрын

How about fvwm?

@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb

4 ай бұрын

@@CaribouDataScience I used that a bit too. I used Window Maker more, though.

I find it hard to call window maker ugly. That's because i find most modern window mangers flat and ugly. Window maker and E16 as well other desktops environment/window mangers from the 2000s are appealing to me.

@friedrichmyers

4 ай бұрын

The older style had personality. Things looked different and goodm

I use Window Maker to this day. I don't find it hideous or ugly at all: it's beautiful and light weight.

@friedrichmyers

4 ай бұрын

I want to use it too. Which OS are you on. I was thinking of an installation on FreeBSD.

@320k

4 ай бұрын

@@friedrichmyers I use it on Free, Open and NetBSD. It also runs nicely on Linux.

@320k

4 ай бұрын

@@friedrichmyers I use it on Free, Open and NetBSD. Of course it also runs on Linux.

I love the fact that these options exist. true freedom always makes more options!

Wallpapers can be find in (11:23) Workspaces/Appearance/Background and if want some other picture to be wallpaper, put it in Home/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds - and it will show in location from above

Actually, the latest window maker 0.96 just released on 2023-08-05.

I don't mind DT posting videos about novelty distros such as this one 🎉

I actually used WMaker back in 1999 to around 2005 on Slackware Linux. Very fast and responsive on machines of that era, Pentium III, Athlon XP/64 and so on. Also very sleek looking using a nice theme (there are hundreds around for WMaker). Today i prefer XFCE. Just because it wasn't mentioned in the video, WMaker is more or less a copy of the NeXT Step GUI.

@dlarge6502

10 ай бұрын

WindowMaker is part of GNUStep which is exactly what it sounds like, a replacement for NeXTStep. The whole project is still active and is even used by iOS on apple devices.

@samsthomas

9 ай бұрын

@@dlarge6502GNUStep is NOT part of OSX/IOS. OSX/IOS use a descendant of legitimate OpenStep, which GNUStep is a clone of.

What makes Window Maker interesting is that it’s a clone of the NeXTSTEP interface from Steve Jobs’ company, the ancestor of today’s macOS.

WM was part of my first foray into Linux back in 1999. When I saw this distro of course I had to check it out in a VM. I ran into a huge problem with the repository paths being jacked up, tried to fix them with a little success but apt was still largely broken so I gave up lol. Had some fun playing around with the old girl for a while though, was fun reminiscing. Desktop & window management has come a long way but given the time back then, it was quite powerful and had some cool innovations. Virtual desktops in the '90s. Imagine that. Apple figured that out with OSX, Microsoft took another decade after them.

This is what got me on Linux way back when.🙂 I like that Windowmaker itself is still under development all these years later.

oldies but goodies ! that was the first WM I used back in the days, thanks for this blast from the past !!

The inspiration for this window maker. Is NeXTSTEP. Which is older than me.

Has me thinking: Perhaps I should get Motif/Lesstif installed and running again! 🎉 BitchX for IRC anyone? 😀

I used Window Maker for quite a while back in '99 when I first began running Linux.

Thank you very much for this video. It brought me back to the 90s when I used to use Wmaker on my Linux Machine. when I was in the process of switching my WM, thought about going back to WMaker but I settled with Qtile. Guess I'll consider installing it on one of my test machines.

Window Maker is great and so is Debian. Nothing wrong with super stable, super reliable, extensively tested software.

Ahhh!!! I used WM a lot. Back in the days. Look nice and quite minimal. I even had it on my DEC Alpha machine.

It looks pretty cool, brings back some memories.

I am an old fart (63 years young), and I lived through the days of Unix, Amiga, Macintosh, MS-DOS, etc. BTW, I own all sorts of vintage PCs that I bought when they came out. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One of my Linux OS has a CDE theme, and I love it; it takes me back to the old days. I used a NeXT Cube a very long time ago. I could not afford one, so I bought an excellent $129.00 Celeron PC and installed Window Maker, which is beautiful. Bro, when you said that people should stop using Word Processors, I stopped watching your content; BTW, I use them in the Academia environment, as well as latex and other command line utilities. Stay safe.

I like how consistent nearly everything looks with this theming. And also that WindowMaker is a replica of NeXTSTEP UI. It's kind of crazy that this pile of icons on the right were already called "Dock" back then, MacOS X is basically a continuation of NeXTSTEP with some elements taken from MacOS 9 and dock was one of the things that were preserved in new MacOS (of course, with drastic changes). If I remember correctly, NeXTSTEP also had the global menu, but it was not in the MacOS (both classic and modern) style with a top bar, instead it were a separate window, closely resembling menu from Irix (which also was preserved in modern recreation of Irix DE called "MaXX interactive desktop")

telegram is actually qt app, not electron

At this point, I feel like I need a full review of twm. It may be the only window manager you haven't shown in a review video.

It's got linux mint shaking in it's boots.

Oh! It really brings back memories.😊

That sarcastic comment about Xfce is unfair. It’s a great WM and has ton of features. Like for example now they have option to save multiple desktop setup. So whenever I need to unplug my notebook from docking station and run for a meeting I no longer worry about restoring this setup on my return. The only thing I miss is windows margins+tiling, but that’s kind a new thing these days and I’m quite sure Xfce will catch up with this concept as well.

It was a nice update for the standard fvwm in our begin period :)

I started dabbling in Linux back in 1995 with slackware. The day I got the X Windows desktop to appear on my screen, I just about wet my pants. I love these old desktops. Wouldn't use one today but they are still fun to mess with.

I first used window maker in 1999 and it's still my favorite.

WindowMaker is the only GUI is use when Im on Linux... Because when you reach perfection, you don't have to evolve.

@BobAg_

Ай бұрын

Like a shark. Or Crocodile.

Man, I literally remember using this window manager like 10 years ago on a Slackware installation, it looked old and outdated even at that time. But it worked fine, and I liked the simplicity.

Amazing for us retro lovers! Wish they use original Gnome icons.

@dlarge6502

10 ай бұрын

Just change the icons!

7:10 Midnight Commander is not a program from the UNIX lineage: it is a 1994 clone of Norton Commander, a 1986 MS-DOS program.

Awesome! WM is quick and very customizable. I've used it on FreeBSD and Linux for (many) years. I'd pass on this .iso, though, since it can be installed through the package managers on Debian and OpenSUSE, with menus built reflecting currently-installed software.

Not sure what you're smoking, comparing it to fvwm. The nostalgia value of fvwm is totally there, but this has beautiful icons, thick gradients, and feels very non-technical. The other adjectives applied - ugly, 30 years old - apply to window maker in the same way they apply to gnome or kde. It's a path we didn't go down, but one with some really interesting patterns we should totally revisit

Looks like ICEWM had a baby w/ MacOS 9

Thanks, :)

Hey DT, I would be interested in you setting up an Xorg basic environment. TWM + Xterm + XDM + Xscreensaver. I accidentally ended up in TWM on slackware amd a quick google gives little in terms recent results on configuring.

@chitan1362

10 ай бұрын

This. I would love to see how an environment from 1987 handles modern tasks!

Nice to see oldies like me with good memories of this great DE, GNUStep never took off and then KDE and Gnome dev started, it's a pity, OpenStep was very complete framework. The Étoilé distro that tried to do a refresh n also disappeared.

I've always been hoping someone would do a good modernization of this desktop!

@dlarge6502

10 ай бұрын

No, just no. It's perfect as it is. The latest releases are bug fixes plus a few other little things and that's how it should stay

@commentarysheep

10 ай бұрын

Please don’t. It’s meant to preserve the essence of NeXTSTEP, the ancestor of the modern Unix-based macOS. WindowMaker is such a blast from Apple’s past!

I used Afterstep back in the day

This video made me remember the old times. Actually, Window Maker has some issues with hd monitors: I can scale the fonts, I can scale the tiles, but the gui doesn't scale properly, or at all. In my opinion, up to 720p WM is fine with the default, previously mentioned, settings.

@Window-Maker

10 ай бұрын

I have been using WM on a 1920x1200 monitor for over ten years with no problems. Never had to make any complicated adjustments to make it work ok. ;-)

Awww yeah, NextOS in the early 1990's. Beautiful. Midnight Commander is a clone of Norton Commander, another late 1980's / early 1990's DOS utility file manager. I can't recall, but don't think NextOS came with wallpaper backgrounds.

I think it’s cool for someone who doesn’t like effects and those kind of stuff.

Whatsthat squeal around1:50 ?

Are we likely to see WMaker on Hurd x86_64

I prefer the OpenStep apps with window maker. The email, file manager, all like on NextStep. That was ages ago though, maybe they are gone now (well never GONE, but no longer maintained).

I use debian 12 and i stay on Windowmaker or blackbox, both are light and can be customized to be better looking, but i am in the small rare user pourcentage there :p

New? Or new to you?

Telegram is not an electron app it's written in Qt/qml

They can tout Window Maker as the killer DE to get all the Win 3.11 users to try Linux! 😏👍

read the title as Widow Maker 😆

Can you cover NsCDE? Its a desktop many forget about

@bigmikeobama5314

10 ай бұрын

I have never heard of it, that would be intetresting!

@tylerdean980

10 ай бұрын

@@bigmikeobama5314 it's a modern version of CDE, the UNIX desktop of the 90's. Based on fvwm.

@jacobheinrich4919

10 ай бұрын

NsCDE is just a theme. OG CDE is where it's at

@tylerdean980

10 ай бұрын

@@jacobheinrich4919 is CDE even compatible with any modern applications or themes? Or secure in the modern era?

Pepperridge farm remembers... (but never tried though)

T2 runs TWM for those who want to try that

windowmakr or afterstep or gnustep are nice wm's but NOT windowmakerlive (it depends on ubuntu unfortunately) will you ever show us openstage linux a.k.a arch openrc ? it is awesome so why don't you show this ?

MAN this brings me back. I know lots of people back in the day liked it, but I was never a fan of it though compared to early KDE.

@vehementham

10 ай бұрын

I saw you in the comment section of TLC's Debian video.

Nonsense! Window Maker looks very nice and maybe its style is different than modern looks but modern looks is white title bars with white everything else or alternatively everything black and throw round corners and very simplistic icons which you could draw with ttf fonts. Widgets today also shift to look more and more like early days of GUIs. In fact already Windows 10 looks extremely similar to Atari ST in mono mode. Window Maker on the other hand has nice colorful icons and nice 3d widgets and lots of gradients. You really need TrueColor graphics card to display wmaker in all of its glory. BTW. just to watch this video I launched X11 with Window Maker in other TTY so I can have proper "live" experience. I have had it already built (cause serious Linux users build programs they run) but so far I didn't test it yet. For quick usable X11 session I typically use fvwm(3) but Window Maker does look like a nice alternative for simple but still nice and usable X11 WM than also doesn't necessarily force user to edit its configuration via config files. Imho it gets not enough love from users for what it offers.

I'd like to better understand the relationship between Window Maker and GNUStep

Are we stuck with linux windows or whatever apple does? Is there no one out there that has the skills to write a new kernel?

@alexandersuvorov2002

10 ай бұрын

Writing a new kernel is a reinvention of the wheel. It took years to build Linux kernel and userland, so starting experimental kernels is rather unpractical for most of the users. Although enthusiasts are building a RustOS - it is written in Rust. But I’m not sure about it’s architecture and API capabilities.

@ShimmerismYT

10 ай бұрын

BSD

Make video exodia predator crash course

Aahh, based on GNUStep which in turn is based on Steve Jobs' passion project NeXTSTEP. Will consider running instead of macOS and Debian 12 Bookworm, when Apple has gone woke beyond tolerance, which it already has since Tim Apple corrupted Steve's legacy.

This person does not know what good stuff when he see it.

So basically Debian with a different UI... so useless distro

@biutifo1201

10 ай бұрын

CTT: Yet Another Pointless Distro

@alexandersuvorov2002

10 ай бұрын

@@biutifo1201What’s wrong with Debian? Half of Linux world uses it.

Kinda confused with all of these distro "reviews?", you're not really looking at system internals or how multiple distributions really differentiate themselves from one another; rather we're just seeing a stock desktop, you run the same few commands "htop, uname, etc", and then proceed to just looking at the wallpapers. There's nothing "wrong" with any of that, but this is all very very beginner Linux content. For example if I'm not mistaken, even a review for Ubuntu, and do correct me if I'm wrong, but you didn't even point out the most significant option of installing the system on zfs, which is baked into a couple Ubuntu releases. Ig all I'm saying is every distribution works a little differently under the hood, instead of touching on those internals, we're looking at things like themes and wallpapers and what apps come preinstalled.....which are more or less the same on every distribution..

Pretty awful review about a fine os and a fine WM. Seems like the presenter can not read as it states on a page he was looking at that the last release of Window Maker Live was in 2017 . Presenter states that he has been on the Window Maker site and that Window maker has he thinks releases every year,he definitely can not read and understand then as, Window Maker 0.96.0 was released on August 5th 2023,Window Maker 0.95.9 was released on April 4th 2020,Window Maker 0.95.8 was released on March 11th 2017.Window Maker 0.95.7 was released on August 2nd 2015.Looks like his ability to count is on the fritz as well as the gap between 2023 and 2020 is 3 in my world. I might have had some respect for the presenter if he had called this " Making Fun of an old OS and WM ".

they should call it UglyWM

10:00 Telegram is not an Electron app. It's Qt 6 app written on C++

This is delightfully-90s. I'd install thits on a couple late-90s/early-2000s machines I have as a dual-boot setup.