One of my favorite rifles in one of my favorite calibers.

Great video! Love my 25-20’s they are saddle ring carbines! 👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeffry! I'll bet those 25-20's are really enjoyable to shoot. I love plinking with them. I took care of some rock chucks with one this spring.

Winchester themselves said in an 1895 catalog that the 1892 was safe for smokeless powder. Around 1910 they had high velocity loads that were strictly to be used only in 1892s and Marlin 1894s. They went from around 1300 fps originally to around 1776 fps for 38 WCF. A brand new one would be fantastic and would take some serious loads going over 2000 fps.

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeramy, you're exactly right. I probably should have explained it better if I made it sound like it's not safe to shoot smokeless in all 1892's. Winchester introduced smokeless powder loads and nickel steel barrels suitable for smokeless powder beginning in 1895. Of course, these two 1892's were produced prior to the introduction of nickel steel barrels and it would be risky to shoot full power smokeless loads in them or any other early 1892's not marked, "Nickel Steel Barrel, Especially For Smokeless Powder". Shooting powerful smokeless loads very well could be the cause of the barrel bulge in #203. However, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the later 1892's in good condition, like the carbine in this episode, with full power smokeless or even the high velocity loads. Thanks for pointing this out so it could be clarified.

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 17 grains of of IMR 4227 duplicates a full case 17 grain load of Dupont No.2 Bulk which was the original smokeless load. I've read it's safe for original 1873s so it should be fine in the very first 1892. Right?

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

There is considerable and passionate debate about this very subject. For me, I err to the side of caution when it come to shooting early collectable firearms. I just don't feel like it's worth the risk to shoot full power smokeless loads in guns that weren't designed for smokeless powder. It's easy to find those who passionately agree and those who just as passionately disagree with my opinion if you look hard enough.

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 Yes, always better safe than sorry.

1892s are lovely firearms. I have two, one in 32-20 and a SRC in .38WCF, that one has a half magazine and is quite light and handy.

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

1892's are such an enjoyable model to carry and shoot!

I really love the 1892, but they are very scarce here. The first rifle I bought myself was a Rossi copy. A saddle-ring carbine in .44-40. 30 years later I still have it and have fired thousands of rounds through it. It has even taken several Impala. It also has a companion. A Cattleman very much like yours, also in .44-40, just the 5.5" barrel length. I did once have the opportunity to shoot a real 1892, a beautiful octagonal-barreled rifle with set triggers which belonged to a renowned local gunsmith. I am really enjoying your channel! Happy trails from South Africa.

Beautiful winchesters

My favorite Winchester lever gun. Not available when I wanted a pistol caliber carbine tho, so I settled for the Marlin 1894, which is a good gun too.

I really enjoy your videos ! I love shooting my 92 in 32WCF

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marshal! I agree. They are great guns and so enjoyable to shoot.

I must be "ocd" as well, because I think any consecutive #'s are all pretty special. Neat lil' rifles and good shooting!

nice shooting Mark. Enjoyed as usual.

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim! This one was lots of fun.

love the 92 great video

@thecinnabar8442

2 жыл бұрын

They're great little rifles for sure! Thanks for watching.

I have a 92 that was made in 1909 as a long rifle in .25-20. It was converted to a 20 inch carbine and rechamberd to .357 Magnum. I absolutely love that rifle. Wish I had bought more .38 and .357 before the whole China Virus/Riot/Election Year panic buying. I can't find nothing now. I have been looking at getting a few of those Miroku built rifles as well. Other they the stupid safeties, they a really nice rifles

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have any of the Miroku's, but I've heard very good things about them.

@endutubecensorship

2 жыл бұрын

Mirokus seem well made, the bluing looks like its 10 feet deep. However, to me a Winchester/Browning has to made it the USA/Belgium to be legitimate. Just my personal preference lol.

Thanks for the content 👍

@thecinnabar8442

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome, Mike!

great rifles, especially that with octogan barrel... Alway wanted such one in 25-30 since I was a kid, now I got a 94 in 30-30, 26" octogan barrel, made in 1969. Winchesters are pretty rare in Germany, that's one reason why I decided to get such one. Next thing is that every gun has to be offically proofed with higher pressure

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's great to hear there are Winchester fans in Germany. And even better that you have a Winchester! Do you get the opportunity to shoot it much?

@matthiashellmann6211

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 I hope so, but the shooting ranges are closed since march 2020 because of covid. Sadly we are not allowed to shoot outside from official ranges and only at card boards. The 30-30 caliber is also pretty rare here, but I got a lee loader kit two weeks ago. So I watch youtube clips and enjoy what you are offering to the public.....

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiashellmann6211 If you hunt, you will find the 7.62x51r a great performer at ranges of 150 meters or less. It's also very friendly with cast bullets. The RCBS 180 flat point is an excellent mould and, with gas check and lubricant casts out to about 190 grains (12.31 grams). It can be safely driven, in a modern model 1894 to about 2000 feet per second (609.6 m/ sec), and with the flat meplat, makes a good permanent wound channel without much meat damage. You have to get into handloading to get this performance, but it's not difficult, nor outrageously expensive.

it s a good video i like what i see tums upp

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jan!

The Lucas McCain special!

I have one in 44-40 , 1905 mfg, Clyde Williamson had some good hand loads in his book for the 92 , Some are a little hot ,

@thecinnabar8442

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip!

I wonder if dies could be made to squeeze back barrel bulges? The die would be machined to conform to the barrel's original dimensions, perhaps a bit less to account for any spring-back. If needed a button rifling die of the same pattern could be run down the barrel to true things up. I saw that you made barrel clamping jigs in gun smithing school, something along those lines perhaps?

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

That's a really interesting idea. I'll have to think that one through and run it by the gunsmithing instructors. It may thin out and elongate the barrel at the bulge. If so, it could still be relined and safe to shoot. Definitely worth exploring.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

I guarantee that there would be a market for dies like this to remediate bulges in shotgun barrels.

@3ducs

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Gunsmiths regularly repair dents in shotgun barrels, I don't know about bulges, that might be beyond repairing.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

@@3ducs Well you have as good an idea as any I've heard, and bulged barrels are pretty common on shotguns. Could be an opportunity for you. No need to worry about rifling, either.

@3ducs

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 I'm not a gunsmith but I would think that the stresses of a bulge are different from those of a dent.

Nice shooting Mark, enjoyed the video. Have you ever tried shooting those 92's at silhouettes at further ranges? It is surprising how well you can hit with a good load and proper sights. Great fun!

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! I've never worked up loads for long range shooting with 1892's. Sounds like a great subject for a future video when I get some free time.

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 I plan on relining my 1892 38-40 24" octagon barrel rifle made in 1910. It will go from 1:36 twist to 1:25 twist. That coupled with chromoly rifling and some new sights that are needed will make it more capable. I plan on using Barnes 140-155 grain Tac-xp all copper hollow points and Federal 165-180 grain HST hollow points for hunting and defense. I'll keep the fps under 1400 because that's when the hollow point petals turn completely around. I have many loads to try out so I can find the sweet spots for accuracy and expansion. Maybe the FMJs or cast leads will fly straighter. I hope to bring it to The Cinnabar one day. We'll test it out and find its limit. Here's a guy shootin' 300 yards with an 1873. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i6N-ssOtmdPHetY.html

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, sounds like you've got a great plan to turn that 92 into a long range shooter. If your 92 is in collectable condition, it might be worthwhile to find a replacement barrel to line and put the original away so it could be returned to original. Keep me in the loop on your project. It sounds fascinating. High tech meets Old West. 🙂

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 I found her with busted sights, a broken firing pin, missing some rifling, there's a small chunk missing from the forearm, and some one carved LH into the under side of the stock. I need to conserve it to find out just how much bluing is left under the "browning". There's no deep scratches or shiny worn spots on the metal. It's the standard rifle configuration I believe so it's not a rare variant. I'll have to check out the serial number. Maybe Teddy Roosevelt owned it, who knows.

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecinnabar8442 She cost $750 from the pawn shop. It'll make a great shooter. The best preserved ones go for upwards of $4000. Mine will be more proficient and way cheaper. Hopefully it stays in the family for many generations.

IMHO, the model 1892 is the Best Winchester Ever! Thank you for the video! I have a model 1892 rifle, octagonal barrel, in 38 WCF, which I have fired a few times. I think it's a first year of production model, and its serial number is 11,1xx. According to my references, Winchester produced 24,000 in the first year. I love it, and shoot it sparingly, as ammunition is expensive, and the thin walled cases are difficult to reload. BRING BACK THE 38-40, somebody!!!

@thecinnabar8442

2 жыл бұрын

They are great little rifles to shoot! Glad to hear you shoot your old Winchester. Good luck with the ammo situation!

It's a curiosity as to which cartridge was the best most useful in the 92s. I personally suspect the 25-20 might have been the best of the best for pure utility after about 1900 or so. If there wasn't any big game left where you lived, .25-20 was plenty of gun for sure. If you were concerned about deer or bear hunting by then, you needed a 94 anyway....

Do you have a modern production Miroku Winchester? I can't help but notice that the forearm on the originals looks longer than it does on the new ones. With the modern ones the 24 inch model's barrel looks disproportionately long, whereas the originals look just right. Just my observation. What are your thoughts?

@thecinnabar8442

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have any of the Miroku Winchesters. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back I'll measure an original 1892 forearm and let you know. You may be able to buy an aftermarket forearm in the length you like to put on your Miroku.

@jeramyw

3 жыл бұрын

Original forearm has approximately 9 ⅜" of exposed wood.

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