I agree with Darin, No Tour but an album with the original guys no outside writers or producers. Sadly John is correct with managers and lawyers will get in the way. I would love a one last album, 8 killer tracks with the original guys and Tony producing! I mean the Forbidden Remix and the remastering of Martin era sounds amazing!

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

The only problem is you still need an album label to put that out

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

That means lawyers to draw up a contract for a record deal it's just hard to do nowadays

All these other people should just piss off. The fact that Rubin may have approached it like this, really rubs me the wrong way. It’s criminal to interfere with the phenomenon that is Black Sabbath.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Unfortunately once money gets involved that ruins everything.

Whenever I watch Sabbath Sunday it's like Darin is at Black Sabbath headquarters and is the font of knowledge for all things Sabbath. Great show guys. I think perhaps an EP and maybe a promotional gig with old and new songs like the Stones did with Hackney Diamonds .

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Darin's great.

@darinmccloskey9906

4 күн бұрын

Aw shucks... Thank you ❤

One more album with the original 4 please. 🙏

I’d be just as happy, if not more, if the original four members just did a speaking tour just talking about their career.

@martymartin2894

5 күн бұрын

Ozzy on a speaking tour lol he sings better than he talks and that's not saying much.

@kevinturchin

4 күн бұрын

@@martymartin2894 The others could be his interpreters.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I would love that!

Fun discussion. I'm w/Darin: collaborate, produce, don't tour. John: apologies for going off topic but ... listening to Opeth's Devils Orchard today, i thought "what are the great, long riffs?"

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I'll check out that Opeth song.

Thanks guys great discussion

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

You're welcome

I saw ozzy and geezer and tony in studio just jamming and it was great. Get BillWard behind the kit and you have got something special

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

agree

I agree that live performances aren't necessary. I'd love to hear a studio album. 13 is not one of the stronger Sabbath records. It would be great to hear something less forced and more inspired.

I'd love a final album, they're still capable right now of coming up with something good. As for a tour, I'd like to see Tony Martin singing since Ozzy most probably can't do a full set night after night at this point.

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

Neither can Bill Ward and Tony doesn't want to leave England and I don't think Geezer Butler wants to do that full-time

A new album with the original Black Sabbath produced by Rodger Bain would be awesome.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Great idea!

@mikekeeler6362

6 сағат бұрын

@@zubrycky well that won't happen Rodger Payne is 80 years old

Thanks guys. I totally agree I saw them in the late 90's with Bill and it was amazing. I went to the final tour here in Toronto and I was a little disappointed, the band was great but Ozzy struggled on vocals. An album with the four members would be great for sure.

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

Thanks

I agree that a new album or some new recording with the O4 would be awesome!

@martymartin2894

5 күн бұрын

The idea is good but it actually wouldn't, because there would be ghost writers or ai and all sorts of falseness on Ozzie's voice because he's no longer able to sing.

@ALTDOK667

4 күн бұрын

@@martymartin2894 Respectfully, I disagree. And it's Ozzy.

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

I don't even know if they can do an album it is taking Tony Iommi 8 years to finally get around to recording a solo album

I didn’t get to see them live and I would love to but if not a proper last album with all 4 original members would the the best

A few days ago Ozzy cancelled an appearance at a moster movie convention that's happenning this month in Arizona. Doctor's orders they said. He's not able to travel. Ozzy may be in a worse condition than what we know. I wonder if he could still sing. It would be awesome if they reunited for a little something. Even one or 2 songs, but I fear about Ozzy's health and Bill's for that matter....

An album would be the best thing they could do it at their own pace they could produce it themselves and come out with a much better album

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I Agree

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

Sounds great but they would still need a label to put that out that means a record label lawyers to draw up a contract and then the album would come out

Yeah 13 was a bit disappionting although I did enjoy it at the time. Now I rarely even think of it. Would LOVE to hear some new music from them--just one more time please! Even just an EP, I totally agree! No tour necessary. Not even a one off show. Maybe a video or minidocumentary, but the time for live shows has long past. Been listening to them since I was a kid in the 70's, sure going to miss them.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I'm the same way with 13

Just forget about tours ... There are huge health issues with 3 of them at least ( especially Bill , which is one reasons he was totally shafted by them in the first place ) ... If they regroup and play together then maybe some live streamed events could be interesting ( this maybe also relevant for Iommi related projects with Glenn Hughes / Tony Martin / Ian Gillan plus respective line ups ) ?! ... Bill's drumming from the first album through to Never Say Die is nothing short of phenomenal . I saw them live at Newcastle City Hall ( UK ) in 1978 , definitely one of the best gigs I ever attended . Bill was also largely prominent in the band's mid to late 70's self management phase ( after being almost bankrupted by former managers and legal firms ) which is why the treatment he has received in recent years is in my view is so particularly heinous . He's also a great artist / singer in his own right who's albums are terrific .

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

Awesome you saw them in 78

I think Bill said he just can't play the drums well enough to power Black Sabbath in a tour but he can still play the drums well enough to do a song or two

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I agree

We don't need it. I would love a Iommi and Tony Martin tour though.

@mikekeeler6362

5 күн бұрын

Tony can't tour though he said he would not leave England

@jimmycampbell78

5 күн бұрын

I was about to post the same thing. I would be far more interested in a Sabbath tour with a Tony Martin - Tony Iommi lineup performing the Martin material and even Ozzy/Dio material as we know Tony Martin can do it justice. I can’t imagine Ozzy getting through a significant gig nowadays, never mind a tour. Bill Ward has had health problems for decades as well, I just can’t see it and I would not want it.

A final album of the original 4 would be AWESOME. The 2 Ozzy/ Iommi songs on Ozzy's last album are very good...they can do it, and even better with Geezer and Bill. We need a proper closure. Cheers.

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

Agreed

I don’t think we need it. Leave as it is. I’ve never seen Bill live, but it’s too late for that. The time was the last reunion, and that’s on them for not making it happen.

@martymartin2894

4 күн бұрын

I just posted the same thing it's a disgrace the way they didn't include him last time.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I would agree on the live front, but I wish they had finished with an album stronger than 13

When Johnny Cash covered NINs Hurt he didn't try to hide his age he leaned into it, even made a video for it and people absolutely loved it. I guess it turns out that some people think old people still have value beyond their peak years. We live in a society that chronically tries to hide its flaws because its flaws are always being splattered across the internet. Well old is not a fucking flaw, its a fucking fact of life that we all gotta get solid with IF we're lucky enough to make it that far, imho. So it seems to me that it behooves us to be kind to old people and that we should encourage them to make more art and we should not bitch and complain over our selfish wants but be grateful for whatever we get.

@darinmccloskey9906

5 күн бұрын

Age won't prohibit making music but unfortunately it will prohibit Ozzy from physical activity, especially something as strenuous as live performances. Believe me, at 55 yrs old, I have plenty of respect for the elderly :)

@jonrhythm3686

5 күн бұрын

Agree, personally I don't think playing live would suit them but doing a song or 2 in the studio could be great under the right circumstances.

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

It would be cool for them to make some songs that maybe reflect on their years together.

We’ve seen some amazing Sabbath drummers including Cozy himself, but Sabbath is best with Bill Ward.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Agreed

20 years from now the members of Sabbath would be in their mid-90s and I know I won't be here 20 years from now

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

That's why they need to get it going now

Problem is is you will need a record label if you want to put the album out

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I don't think they would have a problem finding one.

The only problem with the reunion is Bill once more than one show he wants to do like 20 shows

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I guess we'll see

Would like to see the band do another album and a few shows with Bill and with a singer who can actually sing. That doesn't include Ozzy at this stage, he was flat on every song back on the 2016 tour. Maybe Mike Patton? Is Axel Rose a Sabbath fan? (lol) You know its Ozzy and Sharons fault Bill wasn't on 13.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Ozzy struggles live, that's for sure.

Too little too late Ozzy, Sharon must want more money. They should have brought him back for 13 and let him play a couple of songs or whatever he was able along side Tommy clefetos who done a great job in my opinion.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

True

They're not going to do any shows in the US

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

Probably not

Just release some recorded music. How about a studio version of the song Scary Dreams.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

That would be cool.

Bill put out a short video a couple of months ago with 3 guys that work with him in the studio

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I missed that.

@jonathanlundeen8954

4 күн бұрын

@@LairoftheAlchemist I don't think it's on KZread, might have been Facebook

@jonathanlundeen8954

4 күн бұрын

@@LairoftheAlchemist It was Jan 1 on his IG

To be honest Ozzy is not in good health to perform any longer . He has a form of parkinsons , and you can hear even when he speaks his voice is different . Tony should tour with Glenn Hughes , Sharon stopped them from touring Fused in 2005 . and both Tony and Glenn wanted to play live .

@mikekeeler6362

5 күн бұрын

Tony said he can't tour and he's not going to leave England

Ozzy is still in LA and even had to cancel a recent appearance

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Think he owns a place in LA and England.

Tony Martin tour would be mind blowing.

@mikekeeler6362

5 күн бұрын

I would rather see Tony Iommi Geezer Vinny and Phil Anselmo and make an album

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I would love that...call the band Headless Cross.

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

They would call that band Heaven and Hell

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

@@LairoftheAlchemist they could call the band Heaven and Hell

@MosoKaiser

Күн бұрын

​@@mikekeeler6362 They already did...

Iommi solo album, please.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I'm looking forward to it.

Ozzy will be 76 December 3rd

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I actually thought he was older than that.

Play MSG 3 nights

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

Not sure they could physically pull that off anymore.

Tony still has cancer he still gets treatments the cancer does not go away you have to treat it

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

That would make it hard for him to do any kind of touring.

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

He could do a small tour in England and that would be about it

I have never seen Ozzy . Would be awesome, but I know, at this point, believing in Ozzy is like believing in Biden. Eddie Trunk is a poser. He never heard of Fates Warning. 😅

@darinmccloskey9906

5 күн бұрын

Hahahaha

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I remember Eddie Trunk once saying that he only owned a greatest hits album for the Ozzy years.

Ozzy is way past his prime. Iommi still has it I believe but Ozzy does not. 13 I felt wasn’t that good. A new release would probably be worse.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I think Ozzy could pull it off in the studio, live is a different story

why u cut ya hair off???

@luiscardenas930

5 күн бұрын

Must be on a ponytail, or under his cap.

@jimmycampbell78

5 күн бұрын

He hasn’t, I think its tied back under his cap.

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

It's in a ponytail, it's hot here in Florida so I have my hair up a lot in the summer.

@Palace-of-Madness

3 күн бұрын

@@LairoftheAlchemist Cool. Your hair is too cool to cut lol

I would rather see Sabbath get back with Tony Martin instead. Ozzy is done.

@mikekeeler6362

5 күн бұрын

There won't be another Black Sabbath album unless it's at least three of the four Originals so anything with Tony Martin would have to be a different name

@LairoftheAlchemist

5 күн бұрын

I would like that also...call the band Headless Cross.

@martymartin2894

4 күн бұрын

​@@mikekeeler6362yes just like with dio because Sharon owns the name.

@mikekeeler6362

4 күн бұрын

@@LairoftheAlchemist Ozzy and Tony on 50% of the name 50% for Ozzy and 50% for Tony

I think Bill said he just can't play the drums well enough to power Black Sabbath in a tour but he can still play the drums well enough to do a song or two

@LairoftheAlchemist

4 күн бұрын

I'm guessing that is the case