Horizon and Motorsport are developed by two seperate developers, but I still hope Playground Games learns their lesson from Horizon 5 and tries to improve things with Horizon 6.

@BlackPanthaa

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but they use the same engine. What's built for FM is used in FH

@itzjay2002

5 ай бұрын

@@BlackPanthaa Ah 👌

@user-hb9ey2gc1w

5 ай бұрын

​@@BlackPanthaa Heyy Theo..off topic but Night runners is far better...any new Forza or NFS is Shite..play MW2005 once again..and you'll see what's so wrong with these new games

@baffledsquirrel2122

5 ай бұрын

What was wrong with 5? I don’t understand why so many people seem to not like 5

@itzjay2002

5 ай бұрын

@@baffledsquirrel2122 It lost a lot of things that were present in previous forza games

I just hope horizon has an actual progression story campaign where you aren’t the ceo of the entire world and can have pretty much everything within the first 30 minutes of the game, with a more street customization focus. NFS has the customization down on point but I don’t love the gameplay but I love horizons gameplay which is why I hope they get it right this time, forza horizon just can’t seem to get the execution right as of lately

@63Geary

5 ай бұрын

So agree.. NFS and crew have wayy better customization but the handling is just awful

@angrysocialjusticewarrior

5 ай бұрын

The problem with Turn10 is that when fans try to give them a good idea (like you just did), instead of just implementing they way you said it... they will instead try too hard to be clever and try to include their own twist to the idea... which ends up ruining the whole idea. For example, you say they should stop throwing money at players and making you start the game as a mega ceo. Well, instead of only reducing the money, some "genius" at turn10 will take that idea and change so that players will not game too much money BUT will also have to grind 5x as hard just to afford one car part.

@wizzykhalifa3552

5 ай бұрын

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior dude that’s such a good point, it’s seriously like all or nothing. Some games that already do what you just said also love to take it further and add micro transactions. So it’s rather you own the world from the start or the grind is so tough that you need to fork over real life money to make the misery stop 😭. To me games like nfsug2, the crew 1 and forza horizon 1 were good at this happy medium of not to much and not to little

@benn8793

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. My main problem with NFS for years has been the handling. NFS with Horizon handling would be a step in the right direction.

@wizzykhalifa3552

5 ай бұрын

@@benn8793 man that would be the perfect game, they easily have the best customization catered to car guys, but the handling is so god awful and they attempt to change it every year but to no prevail, I think your right nfs should completely go the sim/arcade handling route that would be such a dope game. But until then maybe horizon can just execute all of the things the fans have been asking for and stop doing things that we are literary saying makes the game worse

No, Turn 10 and Playground feel like they are more separate than ever before. Plus Playground are already working on their own version of ForzaTech for Fable, so if anything it'll use more from that in terms of graphics. The only thing I can imagine Playground taking from Forza Motorsport is the physics, which arguably is the best part of that game.

@simeonyves5940

5 ай бұрын

Given the Clear amount of Stealth Testing for 6 that has been Happening in 5 Lately, I think PGG long ago chose to use the Old Engine Again as it is Reliable and they know how to get the best out of it!

@horizon_angel

5 ай бұрын

If that's the case, I think I'd be happy if they use the old engine. Sure, it's the same thing, but considering the state of FM now, I'm just expecting a FULLY FUNCTIONAL game, and assuming they're using the old engine, and able to make the most of it, here's thinking they might aswell give some new stuff like a bit of story, or something... Basically, using old enhanced engine = game's already quite polished, so they can bring up some new stuff (here's also hoping they could at least update the old models, if rescan isn't possible)

@simeonyves5940

5 ай бұрын

@@horizon_angel Indeed, many of the Issues with FM8, such as the Lighting not working correctly, the Road De-Rendering at Random, Cars Popping out of nowhere, and the constant Crashes to Desktop/Dashboard are because the new "F-Tech" Engine is a barely Functional Spaghetti Code Disaster! they cannot use that new Engine! a Broken Horizon Game would Kill Forza Stone Dead! as Horizon has very much become the Main Series Now! The Old Forzatech M Engine Works Properly, is nice and Stable, PGG know how to get the best out of it, It should not be too hard to Update the Animations to 540 Degrees on Steering, Proper Animated Gearchanges, and get the Paddleshifter Animations (Building the Game off FH4's Core Code rather than 5's may work!) working again either, as Motorfest's "Anvil" Engine, like Forzatech M Engine, dates back to 2011, and is a Relic of the Xbox 360 era, so I see no reason why Forzatech M cannot be upgraded with Similar Animation Enhancements to Anvil. The Anti-Aliasing issues can be sorted easily as well by Replacing the 4X MSAA running on the CPU, built in for the Limitations of Xbox One, with a 4X TXAA Solution run on the GPU as with the PC Version by making the Game S/X Exclusive and Taking Advantage of both those Consoles having a PC Style Dedicated PCIE GPU Card, using AMD FXR (their version of DLSS) would be able to counter the lower Processor Power Levels on Series S by Reducing the Resolution to 720P when Needed to free up the Calculation Space needed for TXAA while Maintaining a Locked 60 FPS . The Larger RAM Levels on those Systems would also allow a much larger and much more vertical Map even with the Old Engine. Less FH5 Sand Pancake, more JC3 Style European Island Paradise. Yes, I want them to go back to the Med, the Med is *Perfect* for Horizon, it turned 2 into a Dreamscape! and I would like that Dreamscape again :) Indeed, FH6 Needs a Story, it needs to go back to Proper Pre-Rendered Cutscenes, we are loosing far too much nuance and Detail with this 2 Static Characters "in engine" Rubbish (let us take LaRacer from FH4, to someone who knows the Dialogue Cues it is Extremely Obvious that the Character is meant to be on the Autism Spectrum and thus somewhat Childlike (Possible Global Developmental Delay?) , but without the Cues, as there is no Nuance or Detail with the "in Engine" Stuff, that gets missed and she just comes off as Odd, Childish and Annoying, with Pre Rendered Cutscenes they could have added the Extra Nuance such as her Refusing to make Eye Contact with Superstar until the last Mission, Constantly Fidgeting, Chewing the Strings on her Hoodie, having Curly Elastic "No Tie" Laces in her Boots etc, to Sell that she is on the Spectrum! they could have bought her to Life!) with Proper Pre Rendered Cutscenes, you get all the Nuance and Details that bring the Characters to Life! It also needs a "Zero to Hero" Progression System again, no more of this "You are the Boss of Horizon, the Game is already over, you are entitled to everything, go play" Nonsense! it is just not Working! , go back to Starting us off as some Local Nobody in an Old Hot Hatch, and make us Work for the Games Porsche Mission X Cover Car! No wheelspins either, just Times the Race Reward CR by 10 to avoid an overblown Grind (no matter how much MS is going to want to force MTX, PGG needs to tell them, as is their Legal Right as a British Studio, to Take a Walk!) , so we actually have to Buy Cars from the Autoshow, Tie the Wristbands into story Progression like FH1 and Give the Game a Dedicated Beginning, Middle, and End, then the "You are the Festival Boss" at the End Game over 30 Hours or so after the Start, and there you go, Progression! Yes, Doing a Story at a PEGI 3 Rating is *very* Difficult, One Mistake and that Age Rating goes to a PEGI 7 or 12 and Microsoft will hit the Roof! (They mandated a PEGI 3 Rating for all Future Forza Games in 2019) but, it *can* be done, as Shown by GRiD Legends, which got a 3 Despite having a Positively *Murderous* Antagonist who was not only so utterly Unpleasant as to make *Darius Flynt* look like Robert Glenn by Comparison, but was also totally and absolutely *Unhinged* , and just sold with a Brilliantly *intense* performance from Callum McGowan that made the Character come across as Genuinely *Psychotic* at times! So it Can be done with the Hiring of a Skilled, Experienced and Professional Screenwriter, Having a Professional Screen Writer will also mean no more "bad episode of peppa pig" Level Writing ("sorry, that was mean" ) and force the Hiring of Professional Voice Actors so no more Offensively Bad Spanglish! Having a Story is the Perfect Hanger for a Zero to Hero Progression System and Proper Cutscenes, both Needed for FH6. Indeed, FH5 is becoming a very Polished Game now Torben is in Charge, Although I think 4 would be a better Starting point for 6 as it is not quite so heavily effected by "Mike Brown Malaise" as 5 is, by Starting from a Position of an Already Polished Game with a Fully Functional Game Engine and a Stable Core Code, and enhancing with the New Physics, TXAA, a much Larger, much more Vertical, more Varied, Map in a Vibrant, Alive, Modern, European Setting, with the Map built to force the use of the Roads (make going "Cross Country" a *bad* idea like it is in FH2 and in Rally Adventure, to force the Player to use the Roads!) and Build the Map (again, like FH2 and Rally Adventure) around the best Possible Driving and Racing Experiences with a Road Layout that Encourages good Race course Design (FH4 actually did that the best IMO) , is Logical, and is Built, Motorfest Style, with Roads aimed at Different Classes of Cars (Big Flat out Highway Loop for Hypercars, Professional Race Track for Track Toys and Race Cars, Tight, Fast, narrow Country Back Roads for Sports Cars, Technical and Vicious Trails for Rally, Wide open Sweeping coastal Roads for GT Cars, Urban Runs in a Big Modern City and Pretty, Little, Old, Towns and Villages for Hatchbacks, Mad Mountain Passes for Japanese Drift Masters, etc) and with the Festival as a Motorfest Style Character in its own Right with a Massive Festival Site that can be seen from miles away, Themed Balloons that mark Race Starts dotting the Sky, Drone and Firework and Laser Shows at night all over the Map, DJ Booths at every Race Start Point Like FH1, Graffiti, Titantrons and Billboards Everywhere like FH1, make the Festival alive and a Constant Presence! (A Genuinely Illegal Street Scene like in FH1 with meets in old Car Parks and Abandoned Industrial Buildings, Paying CR to Enter Races with a "Winner takes all" Jackpot, Condemnation from the Radio DJ's etc, may be Impossible at a 3 Rating however :( ) and FH6 could well be the best Horizon Since 2, and that would be made Possible by, instead of Scrapping and Starting Afresh, Building off the Core Base of FH4 which is Solid and Stable, Enhancing it with 5's Eventlab 2.0 Feature, its Lighting and its RTX Implementation, new TXAA, New Animations, a Story, a Great Map, FM8's Physics, and Motorfest level Car Sounds (even the *EV's* sound good in that Game!) and bobs yer uncle! True, Finding a Completely Factory Stock S15 Spec R to do a Rescan is going to be Mission: Impossible unless they can go to Nissan's Corporate Museum in Japan, and with Japan being very closed Borders at the Moment, that could be Impossible. Ubisoft have a very Good S15 model that they could use via a little bit closer co-operation between them and Microsoft, Ubisoft does own the Xbox Cloud Servers at the moment after all, the least they could do is share the much more accurate 3D "Skeleton" Mesh for their S15 Model for PGG to then wrap with the Textures and Coding needed for the Forzatech M Engine! as that old Model dates back to 2005, is utterly Misshapen, Outdated and offensively Bad, and has got to go! Just. So long as they do not set it in Communist China! Ugh! Just no! Europe Please! Peace Man!

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@horizon_angeli wish FH6 used a similar engine to 2006's Test Drive Unlimited.

i want another horizon 1 story and progression system with a few more cutscenes. it gave all the side characters a much better connection

@Joose

5 ай бұрын

I want another Horizon 1 style map. Much, much larger, of course... but that one felt so much more real than anything after it.

@Smosis

5 ай бұрын

@@Joose it actually felt like a car festival and that you achieved something

Nah, microsoft will do anything for any pay off. We all know they don't care about releasing an unfinished game.

@DeejayJeanP

5 ай бұрын

And they'll do it in Japan to get everyone to buy the game. This game or the next one, as a last hail Mary.

@mouadtalbi4170

5 ай бұрын

​@@DeejayJeanP If they wanted people to buy their game which already a very popular and doesn't require any gimmick to get people to buy it ,they would've done it years ago

@okay7332

5 ай бұрын

jesus christ you PS fanboys shut up honestly

@okay7332

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@GH0STST4RSCR34MDown the pit? they are up in revenue and subscriptions exponentially, have full control over Activision Blizzard now since Jan 1st 24, They have 5 games planned for release this year and more exclusives that will stem from Activision and their sub companies. Down the drain is fucking hilarious, Starfeild literally was steams 3rd best selling game and best selling in September regardless of how you see it. Forza is the biggest racing IP in the world they will not mess up Horizon 6 as everything but the map seems amazing, launch control, anti lag, graphics are insane, feel pf the vehicles are great. The empty map holds it back but blame that on Xbox one. Calling Microsoft down the drain when Xbox is up in every single main measurable metric bar console sales is insane. They have less console sales but they dont care because the console is the gateway into the subscription model and buying games so they focus on leveraging into other platforms, PC and steam. Sony has no games planned for this year bar remasters and I have a PS5 I fucking love my GOW and Spiderman before anyone says anything. Stop talking shit

@Rob-gs8lq

5 ай бұрын

​@@okay7332 Well said, it's actually Sony that are having internal issues with lay offs and firings. They fired Connie Booth and layed off Jim Ryan for failing to block the ABK deal. Sony's future is uncertain as they're going through internal struggles within the Company.

I think that if FH6 can just deliver on a great map, less recycled content and continued support and improvements on the route creator, I’ll be happy

@Oh_bet

5 ай бұрын

It’ll probably be in China

@Joose

5 ай бұрын

A BIG map, for once. They need to stop trying to cram so many environments into their maps. We want a big map that feels like a real place.... not "desert to rainforest to snowy mountains in a 5 minute drive".

@RidgeRunner4501

5 ай бұрын

@@Joose FH5s map is plenty big, they just need to design it better. But FH6s map should still be bigger with being next gen only

@RidgeRunner4501

5 ай бұрын

@@Oh_bet I strongly disagree

@Oh_bet

5 ай бұрын

@@RidgeRunner4501 not sure why it’s actually a pretty reasonable spot. Where do you think it’ll be? Japan? Lol.

They have not made a good Forza since FH3, all they need to do is copy that concept and add more cars and a bigger map for FH6. This is my opinion.

@tek1645

5 ай бұрын

At least you're honest. A lot of people started pretending like FH4 was a good game when FH5 launched. But in reality, FH3 was the last good one.

@riocastanon710

4 ай бұрын

As someone who only started playing at the end of FH4’s time, what made FH3 so good?

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@riocastanon710FH3 is still amazing thanks to its vibrant setting at Australia.

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@tek1645FH3 & 4 are equally last great ones.

Ay man, thx for using my map in the background, means a lot. I feel Forza needs another FH3 to keep the horizon series alive. If not then we end up in the exact same place as FM

-Delay and actually take in criticism and feedback during alpha and beta testing (Follow Motorfest's example). I've heard some people don't get invited to test the game after they gave some rough criticism but the source is a KZread comment. -Have a map with proper elevation, density, sharp turns (because most turns in horizon are varying sizes of circle circumferences) and less of that boring, lonely and dull open map which you can cut by going off-road because there's barely a speed penalty. -Turn up the mood with some atmospheric lighting and colours instead of the constant neutral look. Make it an optional setting called colour correction. -STOP DRIP FEEDING RECYCLED CARS AND STOP GIVING CARS AWAY LIKE CANDIES. They're probably keeping the wheelspin let's be real tho.

@Mightcomment

5 ай бұрын

They could also improve the festival playlist system. Make all of the events EventLab so the events are more enjoyable. Got the idea from this channel a while back.

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@MightcommentFH6 maybe gonna have about 500 Festival Event Playlists.

I wish polyphony made an open world Gran Turismo game set in japan🙏

@MRJAYDANGEROUS

5 ай бұрын

Gts handing model wouldn't work open world

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@MRJAYDANGEROUSwhat about Gran Turismo 3 handling model?

I’m not really a Horizon fan but Playground have outshined Turn 10 with every single entry since 2. They have made more technological advancements and improvements to the Forza Tech engine than Turn 10 ever had before Horizon was even a thought. Just look at Fable or the fact that there’s different surface physics for snow and dirt racing (H1 and 2 actually had these differences, 3-5 are toned down for casuals) The fact that rain and dynamic time of day has been in the series since 2. Forza Motorsport simply is Turn 10’s failure. PG took the base of what T10 made and made the series and tech behind it their own.

@im2fast4u711

5 ай бұрын

Everything you just wrote that playground did, is all turn 10s work. Playground creates the map and gameplay design. They tune the physics that turn 10 developed to suit horizons playstyle. The assets such as cars, tuning, upgrade system, livery editor is all turn 10s.When you boot up a horizon game, the turn 10 logo is there, whenever there were presentations of new horizon games, turn 10 was there.This doesn't take away playgrounds contributions, they deserve all the accolades they've received. But there is no horizon without turn 10.

@vonwynns1758

5 ай бұрын

@@im2fast4u711that’s literally what he just said.

@im2fast4u711

5 ай бұрын

@@vonwynns1758 i dont think you read either comment, we're saying opposite things. He's crediting playground games with things turn 10 did.

@vonwynns1758

5 ай бұрын

@@im2fast4u711 yes and his last sentence was that they took what t10 did and made it better.

We hope that the next part 6 will be in New York or Tokyo🤔

@riocastanon710

4 ай бұрын

California would make a lot more sense than New York because it’s more diverse in terms of landscape. They can cut out a piece of CA and have a city, forest, beach, desert, and a great winter map. Plus they could always keep around some of the Mexico characters since CA is right above it.

@racdude01

4 ай бұрын

I feel like California would be too controversial. Plus all the jokes about how strict cali is on car mods and stuff. I think the only state that could work would be Nevada with the Vegas strip included. But ultimately the most logical choices are Japan or Dubai

@riocastanon710

4 ай бұрын

@@racdude01 I say this as a Mexican but California is no less controversial than Mexico and Nevada or Arizona would look identical to the Mexico map of mostly desert landscape aside from landmarks like the Grand Canyon and Vegas. California has the most to offer in terms of biome diversity. I will be genuinely shocked if FH6 doesn’t take place in Japan but if the Horizon Festival ever returns to the states I don’t think any state can compete with California in terms of map diversity

@purwantiallan5089

4 ай бұрын

​@@riocastanon710i belive it maybe either at New Zealand or Alaska.

Progression should be tier, class, or event Based. Even adding New event, crew, and monthly community progression would improve community play. Tying in expansions to the main map would do wonders as well for when the game reaches mid life. To many ways to improve the product.

I really really hope the progression in next forza game will be more achievable than getting the super car very very early of the game

7:21 I would love a big, varied map for FH6. However, I want the map to have some modernization to it without it being so boring to look at. If Eventlab makes a return in FH6, which most likely it will, I don’t want the main map to be hindered to make room for builders to make giant pieces of track art. Give me plenty of variety and modernization but make it good for “proper” route creation (reverse start points/cannonball style races, etc.)

Something I don’t understand is why people complain about forza motorsports car models but not forza horizons. Don’t they use the same car models?

@nicog4638

5 ай бұрын

No motorsport car models look way better

They need to make a dynamic map in FH6. The map that just stays exactly the same besides seasons gets old. I’m not talking about adding a whole new city 6 months after release, just little small things like new jump ramps or pop up events like dirt race tracks. Even just add a few new dirt roads here and there.

I agree pantha especially the sound of the cars are shock they don’t sound like V8s or if when you shift down it doesn’t sound right

When you say "progression system", are you referring specifically to the car upgrade system, or to the structure of the career mode? If it's the former, what exactly do you dislike about it? Is it the system itself, or the time investment required to upgrade cars (i.e. the tuning of the system)?

@benn8793

5 ай бұрын

I don't think the car progression system is completely bad. It could be improved with a few changes. For example by cancelling the car points and replacing them with normal in-game money but keeping the levels. But I find the career completely boring. It's just a series of races with no real goal. Drive 4-6 races as a "championship" and do everything again until there are no more championships left...

@lawrenceforrester7403

5 ай бұрын

​@@benn8793 @BlackPanthaa I've heard that take a lot (about upgrading with money instead of CP) and I think the thing is, the CP isn't intended to be a store front currency, it's intended to be more like Skill Points in an RPG (which is why you don't really have an inventory of parts). Maybe if they presented it like a Skill Tree and less like an Inventory, users might connect with that idea better. I agree with the career setup - it's hard to do a career mode without having some actual race-to-race strategy involved. I don't think it needs to be super deep to get the job done, but it should also be more than just a series of races, rinse and repeat.

As I said elsewhere, Given that they have clearly been doing a Lot of Stealth Testing for FH6 in FH5 Lately, it seems, although I could be wrong, that PGG may have taken the Sensible Option and have Possibly Stuck with the Old, Current Engine, as it Works and they know how to get the Best out of it. It also looks Better as the Lighting Works Correctly! I am thinking, most likely, the New Physics Engine coupled with the Old Graphics Engine. The Anti-Aliasing issues could easily be Sorted by using a More Modern Temporal Solution via the GPU, as both Series X and S have PC Style Dedicated GPU's that Support Temporal Anti-Aliasing Solutions. IIRC this month was a bit weak as PGG are on Holiday. Hopefully, PGG have the Good sense to see that People do not like the Car Progression System in FM8 and stick to the Old System of all Parts Unlocked from Go, You just need the Credits as it is more Fair. I am fully Convinced that FM8 is going to add the Option to Buy Car Points with Real Money soon Sadly :( I would rather have a very Generic Festival Racer that *Actually Works* than a Game that tries to Re-invent the Festival Racer, but flat out just *does not work!* Indeed, Horizon is the main Forza Series Now! So PGG *cannot afford* to mess 6 up! I do not expect to see FH6 until 2026 Personally. Mike Brown liked (and Forced) the Eliminator, Torben Ellert, the New Team Lead, is not so keen on it, so Hopefully he has had the Good Sense to have that mode Scrapped for FH6, I do not want another Eliminator Focussed, Empty, Barren, Flat, Featureless, Lifeless Map like 5's Again! I am pretty sure that Eventlab, as Torben is one of the Major Champions for its Cause, will be Included from Day 1 and will be a core Game Element and Focus! Indeed, they Urgently need to Remodel some of the Cars, Especially the S15! that old, misshapen, utterly Outdated, Offensively bad 3D model that has been in use since 2005 has got to go! It is Probably still going to be the old "Phpwrppp" Model as You said at the End However. For Progression, IMO, they need to bring back an Actual Story so we can have some Proper Pre-Rendered Cutscenes again and so they can hang a Proper "Zero to Hero" (Start as a Local Nobody in a MK2 Golf GTI 16V, End as the New Superstar in the Porsche Mission X) Progression come back! YES! Bring back the Wristbands, and Tie them to Game Story Progress like FH1 again and not XP Levels like FH2 and FH4. If FH6 is FM8 but with an Open World....then Forza is Dead! Period, and that would be an Absolute Shame! Indeed, PGG has got to listen to the Community! it cannot stick its head in the sand and ignore us again, Yes, some of the Suggestions will have to be "shot down" because the Car Companies would not Tolerate them, or it would put the Age Rating Up to 12/T or even Higher and Microsoft will not allow any Ratings other than 3/E on Forza Anymore, but they cannot be totally Insular anymore either! I know Games are getting more Expensive to make, but that is No Excuse for MTX, I would be fine with Paying £150 for a Game, so long as I got *the Entire Game* on Day 1! No MTX, No Expansions, No DLC, No Nonsense, just a Full, Proper, Complete, Game! I would be willing to pay £150 for that! Peace Man.

I'm not super familiar with either game, but isn't FM progression system essentially the same as the progression system in GT Sport? Just with more options to customize? The same general premise of "race with car to gain car-specific XP that you can then use to upgrade your car" is the same. I don't think it's necessarily "mobile/microtransaction" aimed - it's simply a design decision attempting to create some attachment to each car you decide to build + drive. Other games that rely solely on in-game cash to upgrade often feel like "buy car -> skip to ultimate car" because you have enough money saved to buy the best parts immediately.

Here's my theory here, I think way the recycle cars won't at launch is because of rushing, T10 rushing the game out and didn't try enough of how big and powerful the new engine is.

the problem FH and FM and the divide is the same problem with COD warzone and regular multiplayer. the thing is Playground Games actively UPDATE their game probably better than any other racing dev/creators right now. and Turn 10 fumbled the bag much more than what EA and Criterion did with Unbound. it’s garbage both ways. and it’s all we have until they push another unfinished product by a random company

The fact that Motorsport looked better and featured much more content in the prerelease trailers than it did upon its actual release is disgusting. What this means for FH6, considering that they both use the same engine, is hard to say, but I can only hope that Playground Games does not and has not been making the same mistakes as Turn 10 while developing the game. Assuming both FH6 and FM both took 6 years to develop, hopefully, Playground Games approached the development of FH6 differently than Turn 10.

Very cool video black panthaa

Thinking event lab will save forza is equal to thinking portal could save battlefield

I really liked the hoonigan portion they added to motorfest, and I hope that FH6 has something similar. Their is a huge gymkhana community in FH...that is one thing I would like added to 6.

As you said about the progression system in the main FH5 game is boring, the hotwheels expansion kinda fixes it, it will force you to use slower cars and then upgrade to a better one. It felt so much better than the main game in terms of progresstion.

Good job bro!

My guy, your hair is AMAZING! 👏

I hope they don't give us 500 cars on the first day, and no supercar as a starter car.

id wait i mean were waiting for gta 6 for how long i think we can wait a few more years honestly and personally so its not a fail like motorsport

Imagine a progression system whereby the story uses community made eventlab races so everyone’s play though is completely different

I would like the ability to create my own body kits. Something like an extension of NFS.

All They Need to do the Progression System in Forza Motorsport is Make it Quicker To Level up as tbe Actual Driving Physics is The Best Ive Ever Seen in a Console Racing Game

We need progression, and FOV adjustment settings in first person cameras

Id rather the car mastery isnt based on points but you level up your cars by using them, rather than "oh i got 20 points i can spend it on this now" like level 5 you get X2 skill, etc. Would give you more reason to drive and use said car. Could have achievements for certain individual cars as well.

I'm still pretty certain that we'll be getting FH6 next year. I also don't think they'll copy Motorsport's progression as-is, but it'll likely borrow some elements

I'm just going to say this they either make the car sound very arkady to digital in every game has been the same except for where it's been set

I got rid of the new Motorsport and redownloaded nfs unbound. Which don’t like but I’m enjoying it more the I did with the new Motorsport

How about an adjustable spoiler? The standard spoiler hardly fits to any car...

The new Forza Physics engine is one of the bright spots for the game, especially if you are on a wheel. Playground games seems to be qizards with the graphics, as FH5 to me is stunning in a way FM8 is not. Even when I only had a 1660 super graphics card ona 1080 monitor, FH5 always looked amazing and crisp. While FM8 shows some graphical improvements, it not just the lighting that is bad. I'm on a 4090 now and even with ultra settings, things always seem blurry, like there is a focus point 50 meters in front of you and anything farther out or to the sides is out of focus. I have to use the braking line unlike any other sim i play, because it can be so hard to make out braking boards or other off track points consistently. This is with motion blur off. Also, I get tons of clear as day pixelization, especially shadows from other cars. I am betting playground games can sort that out. Also, when it comes to content, they seem to do their own thing. I wouldn't worry too much at this point at them copying the carpg, especially seeing how much of a disaster it has been. They'll likley make their own mistakes, but that will be probably be different mistakes at least.

I've played lots of forza horizon 5 and the main issue i remember from launch was the online portion not working well. As for forza motorsport I had so many stupid bugs. I couldn't progress the story because I kept getting a bug that gave infinite load times and then the game crashed. So I went back to forza horizon 5. Enjoy that so much more.

I think there is near 0% chance that FH6 has ever planned the same progression system FM has. The question I have is if the engine for FM is too buggy or if the Motorsport team is the problem with FM? As long as the engine is OK I think FH6 has a good chance of being fine.. as long as they move more in the old school FH direction instead of where they have been heading recently. I want a better story and a bit more difficulty.

i'd like to see either italy again or an eastern european setting (ovs japan too but i don't think it's happening)

I really want a good driving game that has customization like car x I would be so siked. I really like the crew 2 but I hate that you can’t lower your ride

My prediction is they have the same concept only difference is the map I wish they would change the last horizon games been copy and paste maps they need police chances on the main roads if you speed while get to your destination

For me and many others Forza wont launch past the first splash screen since update 3.0 and now update 4.0

I feel Forza Motorsport just needs more content which I’m sure they’re working on, also have a toggle on/off system so players can choose whether they want the car progression system 👌

This "new" Forza motorsport is basically just FM4 upscaled with new cars because hardware wasn't strong enough so they had to hold back on improving textures etc 😂 meanwhile this is old technology just waiting to be released. Same thing with the game engine for horizon 2. It's the same game engine. That's why it's a monotonous experience, they think graphics is everything and I hate it so much. I want GAMEPLAY 😫

I know it’s not gonna happen but I really want to see a ford AU falcon (it’s an Australian model)

I want a horizon game that's linked to motorsports in some way.. Like story / progression / certian cars racing suits..

A good story/progession at least I hope. I actually just recently bought FH5 last fall and the graphics are still superb compared to any top/newet racing game. Now...some cars can use a visual update of course but these games need to keep the audience immersed without having to stress about "pvp" or open world aspects so much. 2024 should be a year of change (same went for the previous years but lol) annnnd if the top names don't bring anything significant new, there's no point after all the grind. It's still just the same game. Stopped buying from these types of games because it's the same game year after year. Mods are keeping the old games much alive and better than most of their new counterpart. To each their own though.

Forza Horizon has never really dissapoint like Forza motorsport did

@benn8793

5 ай бұрын

Horizon 4 and 5 were very disappointing for me personally. Since Horizon 3, they've practically simply been recycling content and have hardly brought anything new...

Give me a nice Story, Cutscenes, Characters (no always lovely wokeywokes) and bring back the Details (Hosts on Radio referencing real festival stuff like Holly back then, asking if everyone saw friendly fires on the main stage). In General: Bring back the vibe.

I don't understand what a problem everyone has with Forza Motorsport. I actively play this and it's so much fun. It's actually really good because you have a goal like: Getting better in qualifying, driving better and multiplayer with others is so cool. You get almost nothing for free. It's hard to drive and you have to practice but that's the cool thing. I don't want to drive and win every race, that's no fun. In the Crew and Forza Horizon you get so much for free. I made a new account and immediately after driving for 20 minutes I got a car worth 4 million. Where's the fun if you have nothing to do? Forza Motorsport has none of that because you have to practice there to get good

@investing-titties

5 ай бұрын

ALL OF THESE KZreadRS ARE JUST PARROTING HATE THAT THEY HEAR FROM OTHER CONTENT CREATORS UNTIL THE NARRATIVE BECOMES "THE GAME IS BAD"...THEY HAVE DONE THE SAME WITH STARFIELD, WHICH IS A DECENT GAME. THEY ALL JUST JUMP ON THE HATE WAGON, THEN THEIR VIEWERS JOIN IN (WHEN MOST OF THEM HAVE NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAME.) A LOT OF THE HATE COMES FROM PLAYSTATION FAN BOYS.

Well I don't know how Forza Motorsport is like because I don't have an Xbox and the windows version just doesn't work. so there is a big problem there lol if the game actually ran on half the hardware its available on maybe it would do better.

It’s cute you think that motorsport will effect horizon and not the fact horizon 5 was mid at best with dog water dlc. Personally for me horizon 5 feels like a game they pumped out bc they had to, horizon 1-3 feel like passion projects 4-5 feel like “ahh shit here we go again”

I think if they make a better progression system, more customisation and better online experiences they cant go wrong

I loved forza horizon but the cars felt off in a update so i stopped playing all cars felt really slidy, just didnt hit the same and nevrr playing motorsport but never hear anything good about it, hope FH6 goes back to the good forzas

they haven't done a good forza in years, they should give up at this point and make something new

Love your content. hope to see you play nfs heat again as well ❤

if they are going to use the Forza Motorpsort engine for FH6, then the engine will collapse and set create a black hole trying to handle 10 trees on the screen at once

I don't think so. All they need is to do is make a new map. The rest is copy/paste which isn't hard.

Since FH5 wants to just drip feed cars and not add any new content to the Mexico map, I only have played on Playlist Thursdays and that's it. The Crew Motorfest is way better at keeping players engaged. Doesn't bother me at all if this is the path they want to take. I'm not going to waste energy being mad, when I just want to have fun. Way too many options out there for gamers

We need more customization. THATS ALL THE HAME NEEDS!!! Literally all they have to do is add customization like nfs or the crew and maybe better sounds. The fact that we downgraded to not even have spacers in motorsport angers me.

Is it really out of the realm of possibility to give people the option between a sheer grinding progression system and a more sandbox style like horizon... I'd rather not play than have to grind for hours before having any fun.

I would except the mistakes if Turn 10 changed their name to Turn 1. Because we all know what happens online in the first corner.

I don’t understand why they think we’d want a mobile game feel. It’s so hard for me to look at the Motorsport speedometer.

I thought this was ar12 for the first minute

6:58 share code for this route?

I swear if we don’t get a re-scanned S15 imma riot.

As soon as you add a car marketplace you throw out any real progression. You should not be allowed to just go to the autoshow or whatever they call it and just buy a $500k race car in the first 10 minutes of the game.

Horizon needs to change the way they build the map. Motorfest one upped them to make a map that's realistic, detailed, and fun to drive. Not 1 gas station or non-abandoned industry in horizon. Cant say I'm looking forward to the new Horzion cuz i know its juts going to be more of the same dull, not remotely challenging road design

@simeonyves5940

5 ай бұрын

Look at the Roads in Rally Adventure, and remember that the Lead Creative Director on that Map, Torben Ellert, is the Lead Creative Direct for FH6 as a whole... Do not give up hope just yet! be cautious yes! but not Hopeless!

@kak8895

5 ай бұрын

There's nothing realistic about either games maps. The roads are stupid levels of wide to accommodate racing. Forza more fun though

@RageRaccoon

5 ай бұрын

​@@kak8895 I'm talking world building. Motorfest feels more like a functioning place. Horizon exists for no reason other than a place to drive.

Could you tell your editor to crank up the volume for your videos please, they are a bit too soft @blackpanthaa

Horizon needs a huge overhaul, Evey game just feels the same as the last but in a different location. Not much change if it is anything like 5 I will skip it!

I doubt fh6 will be this year, the time new games take to produce is a lot longer than xbox one games, but they’ll probably just release it unfinished anyway

Those "free" cars each month are FOMO cancer. I do like road and dirt racing in Horizon, but without a penalty system or ranked racing I gave up on it. I see no need for a progression system; play to have fun, not play to progress. Improving Horizon physics would be good but I don't know if the new Motorsport physics can handle off-road. The Motorsport graphics look a little more realistic, but Horizon isn't going for realism and the increased hardware requirements would be a fail.

Nothing is changing the fact I’m done buying forza products

I reckon whenever we get the new Fable be it late this year or early next year there will then be at least a one year gap between that and Horizon 6

@BlackPanthaa

5 ай бұрын

Two different teams, we'll likely get FH6 first imo. Fable is a massive job and they're still yet to show anything, FH is building on what exists

@im2fast4u711

5 ай бұрын

​@GH0STST4RSCR34M a separate team from playground are developing it using the forzatech engine. Imo part of the reason motorsport took turn 10 so long is because of the changes needed in the engine to make a fable type game. Unfortunately for players the engine isn't ready and motorsport 23 has suffered because of it.

Well, the thing about Forza horizon six and Forza motorsport is that first off despite turned 10 making the engine playground games has much much more employees and Microsoft puts much more time into the Forza horizon series than it is with Forza motorsport and it’s showing doesn’t matter what the engine is turn 10 studios has become nothing more of a supportive studio there secretly transitioning, almost all resources and asset for the forza series into playground games because that’s Microsoft the most money why do you think something like Forza 7 got delisted? It was obviously not because of the new game coming out they don’t see money in it anymore and they’re going to put all the assets and Forza horizon, then it is with Forza motorsport, so I do not think there’s gonna be any delay with Forza horizon six since that game has more employees, more money and more effort into this game than what Forza motorsport has and that’s what it is at the end of the day

I mean to be fair who said Horizon has to come out within a year of forza motorsport remember both 4 and 5 came out between the release of Forza Motorsport 7 and the Reboot so if Horizon 6 comes out this year or next year it wouldn't have the development time but it seems they are on more of a 3 year cycle now anyways so Motorsport's failure probably wouldn't have anything to do with Horizons success because they are on their own development and release cycle independent of the motorsport team.

doubt it, different crowds and different itches. FH players wouldn't exactly be playing much of Gran Turismo either

I also don't think we would get this new horizon this year no matter what, I hope not at least either way. I want good games, and good games can not be made with two-three breaks in between each other. I would be happy with a five year wait time. Genuinely. People will disagree, but this only means more updates for previous entries.

I haven’t had fun with forza since FH3 and it’s never been the same.

@Whsyrddy

3 ай бұрын

dead and lifeless innit

I'm still on Forza Motorsport 7 and is amazing game in 2024. Hope they fix FM8.

what car is in the thumbnail

I wouldn't mind the next Horizon game being delayed for a year or two to be honest, I wouldn't want another Horizon 4 re-skin with even less features. Maybe it'll be "built from the ground up" as well? We'll see I suppose.

People do not realise, the failure of motorsport 7 to launch as a good game for 8 months at least, was the end of forza.

The team over at playground games actually cares about the community some what the past year has been pretty good on horizon 5 it didnt really start drying up until oct-nov which is understandable since they are working on a new game but I would still love to see a few more improvements before 6 comes out

@namesii1880

5 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of how they cut so many cars that were in Horizon 4 and are now drip feeding them to Horizon 5 as "new content".

First ever forza motorsport I havent bought. Won't happen either until the progression system is removed or overhauled

It shouldn't as the two have very different feeling fanbases at the moment, Horizon has been doing quite well with recent updates, minus a few stinkies here and there. Whilst motorsport 8 has just been on a downward spiral since the announcement of the car points.

Fh4, fh5 and fm have compromised my trust for the forza series. I uninstalled fh5 and fm a while ago and I haven’t really missed them. This is coming from a person that has played every single horizon game and fm4, 6, and 8. I just hope that they bring back storylines and start focusing on quality rather than quantity.

They'll delay it I didn't see horizon ⁶ coming out this year anyway

For me, I'm completely driving games burned out...

Near 40 million player's on horizon... They're gonna be focusing on that going forward

Not sure if it was design choices or limitations of the Forzatech engine but the devs need to do better with those car models. Nevermind the Xbox 360 car models, even the new car assets look horrible. Forza Motorsport is not evolving, if anything it's moving backwards. Amazing that GT7 looks better on PS4.

I've got to admit it pants man You really know what the people want Game devs change their games because of you Your probably the reason why the crew motofest is great Playground needs to listen to the you maybe Forza horizon 6 might be a great game

It is risky to wait to next year because of Gta VI, Forza have to hoped that gta comes in Q1 or Q2 in 2025, if there is going to be a little hope for horizon

Need a big city that has a lot more ai cars driving around to make it more lively

@andyhelliwell4955

5 ай бұрын

And more people, animals, birds.