Boycott the place, spread the word. Once the cafe is making a loss, they`ll soon ditch the car parking scam.

@st200ol

Жыл бұрын

A bit extreme perhaps. The cafe even give change if asked. They are just trying to make a living in these difficult times.

@stephendimond578

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the cameras are mounted on the cafés wall - so they must be complicit in the scheme, or at least be receiving some financial payment from the parking scammers.

@dudmanjohn

Жыл бұрын

I doubt the café is owned by the land owner.

@alanbbrady8196

Жыл бұрын

​@@st200ol Not "difficult" for the rip off merchants eh ?

If I was in Cornwall that is one place I would give a miss. That parking system borders on dishonesty, a scam.

My biggest grip is that the DVLA are selling my personal data

@lizroberts1569

Жыл бұрын

@@solariss452 so much for GDPR!

This whole Car Park Industry is outrageous! Why are we putting up with it? Who gave them the right to photograph us? Who gave them access to DVLA records?

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

I agree. For some reason I thought DVLA was allowed to release your details for a public highway offence, but does that include a private parking rule break? If I released patient medical records, I would be sacked, no question! Sarah :)

@gregb49

Жыл бұрын

It is their main business model. They want you to get it wrong so they can give you that £100 fine. It is country wide and is a disgraceful scam. I've been caught twice, won once, lost the other. Big business wins today, The little person is just there to be milked.

@DeanVRS20VT

Жыл бұрын

Anyone can request DVLA details as long as you have a reasonable cause to do so. Hence why companies can request it in order to send you a fine. As for the car park, while I hate it… Most people can’t be bothered to read signs. I always do. As stated on that sign, you have 10 minutes to agree to its terms, and that’s the same with all car parks. You have that right to drive around and read the sign and then choose to whether to agree to their terms. If not, you leave. Int his case and this car park, I think 10 mins is ok.

@das5813

Жыл бұрын

The evil thatcher gave them everything and took away your right to a trial. So blame the bloody tories.

@juliecoppin4165

Жыл бұрын

For every parking ticket, speed ticket the companies contact DVLA as they only have your registration number. The DVLA then sell your personal details for £2.50/3.00 for every ticket

It's called biting the hand that feeds you. Hopefully enough people will get to realise what crooks these people are and stop visiting, but fear that won'''t happen. I have been visiting Cornwall for many years, and love it, but like everywhere else in this country now, the bandits are everwhere, spoiling it for the people who actually work hard for their money.

Chuck away all the mechanical collecting machines and bring back the human man in the little caddy shed !

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Yay! Start a petition!!! 😂🤣😂 Sarah :)

@griswald7156

Жыл бұрын

They’ve still got a shed with an attendant in the village of Goatland in Yorkshire…

@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834

Жыл бұрын

cameras are cheaper and more reliable unfortunately

@theolddog5129

Жыл бұрын

Yay! then all the motorists who don't like paying can throw verbal abuse at the human in the little caddy shed. Cameras don't suffer lifetime emotional injuries from abusive motorists.

@mythimnaferrago3481

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails Game on!

Cameras now are everywhere. Greed is everywhere. The truth is, there are no longer fun places because of greed. Run down areas because of corruption in what used to be the beauty spots of England. Our system is riddled now with the disease of the nmind, there is no heart left, it's all gone.

@martinwebb1681

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Greed has ruined everything. Its all take, take, take. Its a f*ck you john, I'm okay society.

I've lived in Cornwall pretty much all of my life. The sad part is not only are tourists constantly ripped off but locals are too. There use to be plenty of places where you could park for free or park up and walk. Unfortunately those days are long gone and it isn't just private landlords ripping the public off but the council are in on it too. Now roads either have double yellow lines, residents parking or very limited waiting times. This effectively forces you into using their parking facilities or you have to stay away. What adds to the stress is a majority of coin machines are cashless so you are then limited to your phone or card. If the tec isnt working try contacting the parking company along with the ten or so other customers trying to do the same standing in the car park after the camaras scanned your car registration on the way in. Oh and guess what, a small service charge is then added to your parking fee on council parking facilities if you use your card. I didnt realise this until it was highlighted on radio Cornwall last week.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Well said! St Ives, Looe, Fowey all full of yellow lines, resident only parking eliminating the ability to park and walk. I know exactly where you are coming from! Sarah :)

@nd7941

Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of car parks around Cornwall that aren’t heavily vetted in the evenings. But these ANPR ones that run 24/7 are there for pure greed. They now have ANPR at the short stay in Marazion

@dragonflyparade8143

Жыл бұрын

Well, people have sat and let them do this for decades. Privately owned road? Privately owned cove? # all the way off with them.

@73driver10135

Жыл бұрын

The thing to is stop going down there

@dragonflyparade8143

Жыл бұрын

@@73driver10135 Absolutely. Take the money from them. That hurts most.

Since Co Vid, I've noticed a huge rise in hatred for tourists. Here in Pembrokeshire it's vile. "Karen's" everywhere with home made No parking signs and home made no overnight parking signs popping up everywhere, any reasonable space where your legally allowed to park is likely to receive one of these signs. Many many bollards on normal, free, open PUBLIC roads stopping parking (Dale and St Davids)I've decided to take matters into my own hands and remove them myself.

@frglee

Жыл бұрын

Many of them dislike locals and visitors parking outside their houses equally. The house owners may not even have a car, it's just that they don't want anyone parking on the road outside their house. If there are no parking restrictions, cones and warning signs should not be there. Harrassing, threatening and abusing people parking legally on a public road should be reported to the police. The police and local authorities should stamp out this nonsense.

@huudielbo728

Жыл бұрын

Councils & Farmers are now blocking access points due to fields & public lands being ruined by 'new age travellers'. Same old problem, overcrowding.

@robglysen

Жыл бұрын

We got absolutely swamped in Covid with idiots visiting a quarry full of lime it was horrible, wifes arm got broke in an accident with one of them, couldnt leave the house it was awful for months, this is whats caused it all.

@Thursdaym2

Жыл бұрын

What applies to visitors also applies to us locals.

@WhiteDieselShed

Жыл бұрын

@@Thursdaym2 Absolutely, local LIDL's planning permission stated they must allow local shoppers to park there and cannot restrict parking to less than 4 hours. No issues at first. Then they got a parking firm in which put signs up stating LIDL shoppers only and a max stay of 2 hours. After a few got tickets because the parking appeared to start the moment the camera caught you not when you were actually in the car park or actually parked. They found no alternate planning application to the parking terms and a thread to blockade the store if the signs remained soon got them removed. Its like those camera's catching you on the road into the parking area and the clock is ticking already, driving down slowly giving way to pedestrians maybe your downfall and these companies don't care if your 1 minute over its a charge all the same.

I visited Lamorna Cove quite a few times about 18 years ago, and I don't think I had to pay anything at all back then! So now another beautiful part of Cornwall is off limits. I had the same ANPR experience in a Bournemouth village. The parking signs were hidden, and I got ripped off £150 for taking my Step Daughter to lunch. I kept appealing but to no avail. There have been many documentaries about these cowboys that run certain car parks across England. The government promised to crack down on them, but surprise surprise they did NOTHING! : )

@mikeoglen6848

Жыл бұрын

Don't pay it! Tell them you'll see then in court. I got charged once for parking in Falmouth for being 10 minutes late AND I had made a point of paying the extra evening charge till Midnight!

@bobbybigboyyes

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeoglen6848 Yes! That's the only way to deal with those buggers. Our government will never sort out those cowboys because they are involved in and support crooked businesses !

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

It’s such a shame that this ruins lovely days and memories, Sarah :)

@bobbybigboyyes

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails It sure is Sarah, an no one ever does anything about it. I think if I lived in Cornwall I would put up signs everywhere around Lamorna Cove telling people not to park there, and I would protest to the local council and police, though the council or police would probably not do a thing, even though it's clearly a blatant scam. Bob :)

@gregb49

Жыл бұрын

There is no point appealing as the group running the "Independent" appeal body consists of these car parking companies. Only appeal if you are eventually prepared to go to court with a good possibility of success. Of course, going to court, in Cornwall, when you are a holiday maker from many miles away can be v expensive, so 'we' give in and pay the fine and add richly to the parking companies' profits. It is all about greed.

Whilst there may be no mobile phone signal, you can definitely get broadband there (I've checked!). So they could take contactless payments by getting a line run to the payment meters. I wonder how they collect the ANPR data? Do you think someone has to physically visit the site to retrieve it? Or more likely the cameras are connected to the internet. Certainly seems very scammy.

I’ve found over the years that a small roll of black tape can be extremely useful in situations like this, a similar width to the digits on your vehicle’s plates is ideal 🙄

@antman5474

Жыл бұрын

That's right, if the camera doesn't see a registration plate it remains in standby mode. It's not a motion detector.

@donkeykong7777

Жыл бұрын

@Paul B As far as I’m aware, even though it’s “private land” if it’s accessible to the public in motor vehicles then the rules of the road still apply. It’s like a Tesco car park, if a copper getting his dinner sees you driving round it with a phone in your hand he can still prosecute you.. I could be wrong but that’s what I’ve always been led to believe.

@kenredgate3690

Жыл бұрын

You can beat the system if you persevere . Yes , you are on private land and as such you are quite entitled to cover your number plate . However we overstayed in a Lidl car park and got the usual demand . As the car is registered to my wife and I was driving I asked them to send photographic evidence of who parked it there and to redirect the charge to them . On the second letter I returned it with a demand for £100 administration charge . On the sixth letter I was demanding £600 in admin charges and £500 in compensation for harrasment plus a statement saying I had no contract with them and if I did then they are sacked . It worked , they no longer write .

@antman5474

Жыл бұрын

Just cover your plate on the way in and out and the algorithm doesn't know you exist, it's that simple.

@antman5474

Жыл бұрын

Jeez how long will it be before you understand?

NAME AND SHAME THE INDIVIDUAL/S SCUM WHO ACTUALLY OWN THAT FIRM !!

@coastalviews4931

Жыл бұрын

And forward to "Just Stop Oil" please

Remove your plates before entering, it's private land.

@shaunbradley5253

Жыл бұрын

Apparently there is someone with brains in this messed up world 😮😂😅😂

@reggiesmith3866

Жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT IDEA!!

@andyparsons4901

Жыл бұрын

You can actually buy covers for your plates that stop the anpr cameras from taking your reg. Bloody councils and private companies are using these car parks all over the country to sting us. time to fight back!!

@barryhumphries4514

Жыл бұрын

Number plate covers should be a thing. Would work for imposed ULEZ scamming schemes too! 👀🤷‍♂️

@christinecrockford1654

Жыл бұрын

Fab one ❤ or cover them up as u don't need them on a private road.

My wife and I visited Cornwall from Australia. Our car hire company hit us with a carpark fine and a charge for dealing with the fine. A car park we'd driven into was full, so we drove straight out. Thus triggering a non parking payment even though we'd never parked.

Yep, I got caught too and I'm local 3 miles away! I went there mid winter, not a soul there. The cafe was covered in cobwebs and the one machine looked out of commission as the screen was all clouded over and unreadable. I was only there 10 to 15 minutes to take a few snaps and 2 days later a nice photograph of my number plate and a demand for £100 arrived in the post. I was told if I paid up within 7 days that I would only have to pay £60 for the "pleasure" of those 10 to 15 minutes! 😠

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry to hear that! Always feels rubbish, but when you don’t remember enjoying your visit, that’s even worse! Sarah :(

A beautifully designed fleecing operation. A big sign saying you have 10 minutes to ‘park and pay’ or leave to avoid £100 fine should be at the entrance. Will probably take 10 minutes to park, read all the rules in small print at the pay-point and put only cash into machine. They can afford to install ANPR system but not a proper payment system. Devious!

Beautiful sea on a sunny day. Well done Sarah and Andrew. 👏👏Shame about the sly private parking company upsetting many people. Why are there no signs before the road down to the Cove warning people .... COINS NEEDED IN CAR PARK.. PRIVATE CAR PARK AND CAMERA OPERATING!

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Why indeed! The lack of fair signage is definitely noted in the Trip Advisor comments, Sarah :)

IMPORTANT NOTICE Under English Law (Even in Cornwall) it is a mandatory requirement to display front and rear licence number plates on all motor vehicles whilst in use on any public highway. This is NOT a public highway. Parking charge - Up to £ 170.00 : Screwdriver £ 2.95, you do the math! (Note: While a little more tricky, and expensive for 'them', your vehicle identity can be found from the VIN if it can be seen eg. through the windscreen. Only MI5 and the CIA have ANPR cameras that can read a VIN)

@aylesburynumptydrivers9672

Жыл бұрын

I find a piece of rubbish that has accidentally blown up off the road and stuck to the number plate as you enter the car park is a terrible shame. Or if there happens to be a pedestrian walking just in front of the plate at the point the camera is

@barbelmeister

Жыл бұрын

I think you will find you are wrong. Dont encourage people to take your poor advice and then get fined. It is private land but publicly accessible.

@coastalviews4931

Жыл бұрын

@@barbelmeister 1. At no time has any encouragement taken place. It is still a free country, even in Cornwall. You make your own choices. And I have the right to free speech. 2. It is not a fine, it has no legal basis. It is a Penalty Charge and a purely civil matter. 3. This road is not maintained at the publics expense, and so not a public highway. 4. Whether open or closed, a gate or barrier defines this as not publicly accessible - I was informed there was a barrier.

@apocalypticweasel9078

Жыл бұрын

i use magnetic plates that cover the original perfectly and only have the letter FU on them works everytime

@markstarmer3677

Жыл бұрын

@@apocalypticweasel9078 that’s a cracking idea. I’ll look into this

I always enjoy swinging by Lamorna on my Harley early in the morning to catch the start of the day. Glad I watched your video as now I'll have to cross it off my list. Shame the new owners have decided on such an aggressive approach to parking. There should be clear signage at the top of the road where you turn in so at least you have the opportunity to abort should you not have any coins. I run a business on the Lizard and virtually nobody carries coins let alone notes. It's almost like they've designed the perfect mouse trap 😆

@richardfisher7248

Жыл бұрын

Possibly OK on a bike, no front number plate.

The car park owner use to fine people by running across the carpark and stick a parking ticket on the car as people were paying for their ticket at the machines. This carpark has been like this for years. The owner is a local man who just thinks about money. The owners house over looks the carpark aswell

Ironic. Putting off visitors and tourists isn't it. - the very thing Cornwall really needs to keep and encourage.

Really good information & advice Sarah and Andrew! 10 mins is nowhere near sufficient time to sort out paying the car-park charge, and it's ridiculous to have a card facility on site if there's no internet signal to work it, especially as we are constantly pressured at most places to go 'cashless'. I wonder what would happen if motorists accidentally dropped beach towels over their number plates on the way down to the cove, and on the way back again. Of course I'm not suggesting anyone do this 🙂

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

😂 Sarah :)

Sat there and did a picture of the harbour a few years ago and put it on my website. A couple of years later got stung by that scam while on holiday. We’ve since moved to Cornwall but we’ve never been back there. As far as I’m concerned the place doesn’t exist - neither does the picture.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

These things ruin memories! I’m so sorry for you, Sarah :)

@wotintheworld

Жыл бұрын

Wierd philosophy you got there.

I find the prices to be OK, but they should have put up a sign about coins only, before you enter the parking lot and before you can be caught on camera.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Yes, A little more transparency would show better customer service! Sarah :)

@dinsdalepiranah1189

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails Sadly customer service is something this country is very bad at, in most cases its non existent.

Visited here many times and no problem then 4 years ago my wife paid as we parked on the top car park. I got out of the car and opened the passenger door for my father in law who was disabled and had dementia and walked with him to the cafe to sit on the seat, went back to the car and noticed a ticket on the car and when I explained to the ticket man what I was doing he said I wasn't parked between the lines! Nobody was because you couldn't see them and you couldn't get out of the car either with the doors wide open. He literally watched me and put the ticket on, and we had already paid. Welcome to Cornwall. I have been visiting Cornwall every year since 1959, we know the deal, you have a beautiful piece of the world and we pay "ansomly me lovers" for the privilege of being there. But that takes the biscuit. In my mind I'm not letting one nasty person represent the whole of the people of Cornwall. See you in 2 weeks Penwith!

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

How heartless! Common decency should have prevailed. Enjoy your upcoming visit! Sarah :)

I have been to Cornwall many times and Lamorna is particularly beautiful. We stayed with Ozzie at Lamorna Pottery many years ago. I understand that Cornwall is more and more crowded BUT but no excuse for this sort of scam. The notices need to be bigger and the camera more obvious. Surely it is a data protection issue? As long as people keep leaving one-star reviews then the bad publicity should help.

So glad you are raising awareness of these rip off car parks in cornwall!!! Please,please,dont just show the 'good' of cornwall....show the 'reality' aswell. And this is from someone who loves cornwall

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Times are changing so maybe our videos need to as well! Sarah :)

How things change. In my walking days we visited Lamorna and did the walk along the cliffs to Minack where Derek Tangye used to live and write all his wonderful books. The car park in those days was manned by a very amiable guy who held his hand out, you popped your money into it and away you went. Fast forward to 2023 with cameras watching you from every angle it is so sad to see how people are being targeted for profit. Even the cafe wasn't quite the same when we visited about 5 years ago! It can't take away the beauty of Lamorna Cove though. The sea there is a very special blue/green. The very steep hill to the cove was always a breath holding moment driving up and down hoping that you wouldn't meet another car on the way!! Look forward to seeing your walk there. Well done on highlighting the charging problems. x J x

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Things are definitely changing, our computer age is making us redundant! Sarah :)

That car park has had a terrible reputation for years, and most locals (like me) avoid it like the plague!

I am sad to say that as a tourist from Canada this is a good warning not to visit Lamorna, or any other place with that system of parking. As I would be in a rental vehicle, the charge for parking would go to the rental company who would then charge an administrative fee on top of the parking fee. I was burned once before and wont do that again. Too bad, as it looks like a lovely place to visit.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness! This is so unfair to the unwitting tourist. Unfortunately it more and more commonplace, Sarah :)

@steveray8056

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails yes, it is unfair but tourist need to be aware of this. If we could pay for parking in coins without having the camera, it wold make life easier. The reason we prefer coins?cash is that the fees to accès our phone is prohibitive - Canada has to have the worst (most costly) plans for phones and internet.

@griswald7156

Жыл бұрын

Well Steve, What happens if you notice a dent on your rental car after having left the depot..? There’s always room to massage the numbers upwards…go into a bus lane,and watch your charges rise plus administrative charges. Technology has made it so much easier to separate you from your money…

@steveray8056

Жыл бұрын

@@griswald7156 always do a complete circle check of the vehicle before I leave to ensure there are no dents or scratches. I also take pictures. If anything happens on the road, insurance there is to cover it. Yes, I agree, greed is out there and is becoming more and more common which is scary.

@antman5474

Жыл бұрын

Just keep a stash of £1 coins in the car and pay upon arrival. And leave before your time runs out.

It sounds very stressful parking at Lamorna Cove. I will certainly be avoiding it.

@huwtgriffiths4448

Жыл бұрын

Na, cover your plates or put a bit of tape over some characters when you get on that private road... By law you have to show your reg number but not on a private road.

Praa Sands is the same, used to be £1 fr t whole day, as Lamorna used t be FREE, now the parking attendant is a real jar and Norman no longer sits in his deck chair at Praa to take yr £1. Infact we where fine for not paying when the machine were broken. The local have actually vandalised then int past. 🙃

Many thanks for highlighting this issue, unfortunately it is way too common in our beautiful West Country. As I’m a keen walker on the SW Coast Path I am happy to park further away and walk, and if I don’t know the area I use street view where possible to see if there’s free parking nearby (although I’m hoping the Google street view car didn’t come here and get stung with a fine!!!) Expensive parking in this country seems to make sightseeing a pricey, stressful event; my in-laws have holiday homes in tourist areas in France (Normandy and the Dordogne), and the parking is so much more stress-free: most towns and villages we visit have a free car park in the centre, the beaches we visit have free parking right by the beach, the same applies in Tenerife where my dad lives…it’s very off putting to visitors in the UK to be caught by these scams, not everyone will have cash on them, some are unaware that ANPR exists in these rural areas, and the strict rules that landowners enforce to catch people out…keep up the good work!

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Yes, France is a lot more relaxed, and I love the free parking in the town square, which definitely helps the local bakers, butchers, cafes and gives a great vibe, they are so busy. They are planning to increase parking charges in Cornwall soon. Just hope the local councils don’t now to pressure from these companies. Sarah :)

We had big problems with payment in Falmouth in February. We wanted to enjoy a cream tea on our last day of holiday and parked in the car park near the museum. But unfortunately we didn't check whether we could pay with coins. Our credit card is not accepted by the parking machine here. We called the hotline but no one answered the phone. We were very desperate because 10 years ago we also had problems with a fine of 100 pounds in Falmouth. Then a woman came and offered us help. Our saving angel. She paid our ticket with her card. I don't know what would have happend otherwise. Maybe a bill of 1000 pounds? That's why we are happy when we can still pay with coins. Which we always collect. It's a big amount for the holiday fund. Last Saturday we went hiking in Croyde and at the car park we had no choice how many hours we wanted to stay. You have to pay 8 pounds for the ticket. I've seen that here several times now. Just going to get something you don't need for long can be expensive. It's very annoying when you're always get afraid of doing something wrong. The parking sharks are becoming more and more brazen and criminal. We only ever went on to foot to Lamorna. It's good to know that everything is privatised. You can get rich with parking spaces. Thank you for sharing the video. Gabi:)

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness for that kind lady, we notice that all of the signs are in English, and that must make it so hard for tourists from abroad. I’m going to make sure I ask if people need help I the future. Sarah :)

Do you need to display your registration on private land - I don't think you do so cover your plate before entry xx

Problem is as we move to a more cashless society with banks closing and cashpoints being removed, people have less access to cash. I guess if you're going on holiday make sure you have a big bag of £1 coins. I would also say it's not down to the cafe there to provide change, so a bit of a risk to park, queue and then find they have no change left leaving you with no method to pay.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

We felt that the landowner is taking advantage of the cafe as a ‘bank’ but the cafe needs visitors to stay, or they go out of business, tricky! Sarah :)

@huwtgriffiths4448

Жыл бұрын

Na, cover your plates or put a bit of tape over some characters when you get on that private road... By law you have to show your reg number but not on a private road.

@mattylf1

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails absolutely, like many of these types of owners they have a captive audience with regards to visitors and a fine is easily picked up without knowing it’s happened.

@martinwebb1681

Жыл бұрын

I always carry a large bag of coins in my car, for car parks, bridge tolls, air in the tyres, etc. Its just common sense, some people it seems just prefer to moan and complain about things rather than use a little common sense.

The people that control this bit of land do not have a good reputation. On a number of levels. The sad fact though, is that many Cornish folk resent the visitor and his money, regardless of the fact that without that income much of the county would descend into extreme poverty. I've not found this to be the case in many other countries. In fact I can't even think of one.

@marcom9103

Жыл бұрын

I've found many in North Wales who would rather live in Poverty over too many cars parked than enjoy tourist money. Funnily enough, the locals in the Yorkshire Dales / Lake District seem really friendly and accommodating of tourists (seems them guys, kind of get how poor they would be without them)

@ukeleleEric

11 ай бұрын

Seems to be becoming more common in many tourist areas around the country... Rip-off Britain.

Ignore the threats and do not pay them.

It's not just car parks In Cornwall either. We were charged £5 to launch our kayaks whilst holidaying there. "Rip Off Britain" in this case, "Rip Off Cornwall"👎

Cover your No. plates with duct tape or change them for your visit !

@martinwebb1681

Жыл бұрын

Other makes of tape also available ... 🤣

so much of our country seems off limits to greedy individuals ...

If you’re dealing with private parking companies then any “ fines “ are actually invoices for breach of contract by cowboy scammers and not fines in the true sense of the word , if they issue such an invoice then refuse to pay it and invite them to take you to court to settle the matter, they’ll back down

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

The courts are used to processing these charges in batches. A County Court Judgement can knock bells out of your credit rating.

@liveloud9894

Жыл бұрын

@@davecooper3238 It wouldn’t get that far

@m0ther0ne

Жыл бұрын

You have the right to be present at any court hearing that you are involved with, so you would not be done in a’ batch’.

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

@@m0ther0ne True you can attend court if you wish. But for people that don’t batch processing is more cost effective.

@richardbarbaraburns9868

Жыл бұрын

They do take you to court and you do end up with CCJS

It is disgusting but it’s happening all over the country. Where we are there’s a place we park to surf which is private, my mate parked there all the time for about a year. One day he took his wife’s car but forgot so paid for his parking as usual on the App but obviously he was in a different car to what he’d stored. Yep got a £60 fine so he apologised and said honest mistake was in a different car and if you look at my history I pay. They weren’t interested at all and he had to pay. Just no sympathy at all. Well done for highlighting this daylight robbery.

This is a bit of a storm in a teacup. The answer is simple. All parking regulations should be clearly displayed on a notice before you enter the car park. If they are not, then that penalty will never stand up in court if an appeal is lodged, providing the driver leaves the parking area immediately of course. I suspect that some people have parked there regardless of the fact that they cannot pay due to a lack of coins. What I would do is to appeal the fine immediately and let them prove it's legality in front of a magistrate. I have a sneaky feeling that the fine would be quashed.

20!yrs ago it used to cost 10 quid to park in that car park and there was no sign on the road approaching the cove. There was a guy who manned the car park and if you tried to leave without paying the car park he would block the road and refuse to let you go. I nearly ended up having fistycuffs with him. Seems like they’ve just modernised the scam.

Note the sign says "please leave within 10 mins". If you took 11 mins that does not make those terms enforceable. 3:00 no marked lines so impossible to park within a bay, which is in the contract. This wouldn't standup in court. They just prey on people's ignorance and harras them into paying !

Spent many many happy times back in the day, particularly when Garston manned the hut at entrance to car oark. He always had a tale to tell. Lovely time and place.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

I miss the days when a cheery crappy greeted you with a broad smile! Sarah :)

Thank you so much for the heads up. A visit to Lamorna has been on my bucket list for a while but I may give it a miss now.

Cover ur plates before you enter....👍🏻 You have to by law to show your number plates on public roads but not on private roads. I always cover my plates in private car parks, never pay them ever... Over 10 years, no one sits by a desk watching it's all automated and no one come around, they want you being good citizens to police each other and pay. 😂🤣

Another place to avoid when visiting the UK later in the year . England is the only place I seem to get obscure parking , road fines .

It's the same thing in Llangrannog in Wales. Absolutely beautiful place but we don't go there because of the same issues with a similar ( if not the same ) carparking company. We actually avoid it. Which is a huge shame for the local businesses x

Great video! Thanks, We had a huge fine to pay in trevone. We were going there every day to buy groceries from the shop, and always leaving someone in the car, we and up paying £ 250 in fines, now we are very put of to stop to any seaside car park . Ciao G

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Such a shame, and as a Cornish person, it’s so embarrassing! Gives the county such a bad name. Sarah :)

@elizabethmcleod246

Жыл бұрын

@@CornishWalkingTrails I get the feeling the residents don’t want tourists going to LaMorna.

Thank you both for giving us the heads up.

The only way to stop this is to STOP going there and not to support them ... unfortunate, this is such a scam as it becomes a private road and the terms are not short and easy to read !!!

Sadly these are popping up all over cornwall and some are quite a bit more expensive than there , we are in the National trust and try to head for their carparks where possible as its free to members

As it is a private road and car park cover your Reg plates as they are not needed

It is called entrapment, however, there should be signs to make you aware before you get to the line that you have to cross before you are actually in "the camera zone" it is just another rip off which will kill the tourist industry. Apparently they have the same system in the Lake District as well. You can actually hear the fall of coins slowly getting less and less as the tourist stays at home but; the fines from these places are getting more and more viable for the companies running them.

Surely if it's a PRIVATE car parking facility you can't be coerced into paying a fine?

@Gaspode_

Жыл бұрын

It's an invoice that is usually made to look like a fine. It is up to them to prove that they entered into a contract with you, you don't have to prove that you didn't. A photograph of the car numberplate proves your car was there, not that you were driving, and an inanimate object cannot enter into a contract, nor can another other person who was definately driving enter into one on the owner's behalf. If you want to fight it, admit nothing, don't provide them with any information that might be contrued as an admission. Remember they have to prove they have a contract with the person they are persuing, ie. the person who parked, which may or may not be the owner of the vehicle. Not that doesn't apply to actual fines issued by authorities. That's going to be a lot of faffing around with small claims court though so it's simpler all round just to pay the parking fee requested.

I have just returned from Cornwall where the "hot topic" on one of the counties radio stations was the debate about St.Ives wanting to charge tourists to use the public loos but not locals!

This is great information, cheers Sarah & Andrew, we’ll bear this in mind if we visit Lamorna Cove

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! Sarah :)

@huwtgriffiths4448

Жыл бұрын

Cover your plates or put a bit of tape over some characters when you get on that private road... By law you have to show your reg number but not on a private road. Been doing it for years never paid or had a letter, even if you get a letter ignore... Years ago I had loads just ignored them now I just partially cover my plate.. And then when I get on a public road I remove.

Thank you for the heads up about parking in Lamorna.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! Sarah :)

i was in a grid locked car park 12 minutes. It took all that time to search for a space, not to find one and try to exit. £60 fine arrived by post a few days later, I had over stayed my time searching for a space.

I would go to court and hope the judge has some common sense And dismisses the case , this is entrapment and should be made illegal ?

Cornwall has been getting worse year after year for the last 15 years, let’s be honest, Emmits come here and get rinsed! Seaside Business owners only ever pay their staff minimum wage, have no toilets for their staff, often no breaks or ridiculous split shifts, for any would be holiday makers reading this, come here but go self catering, if something looks “touristy” be on your guard for getting ripped off and please bear in mind most shop front people are paid poorly and are often on the receiving end of people’s frustrations 👍🤝

What happens when the machines are full? 10 minutes is not enough if it’s busy .

Wow! We were lucky last year then. I didn't know about the 10 minute time to decide if you want to park there. We drove in and past the cafe and up over to the grassy bit by the cliff and stopped to admire the view then went. It must have been just under the 10 minute limit. Won't do that again.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Very lucky! In fact I’d love to know how close!!! Sarah :)

I cancelled a fortnights holliday at lamorna cove simply because of the parking charges.Personally,I would ignore the fines and let them take me to court.I doubt you would be taken to court.Cornish tourism will take a dive.North wales has similar parking sharks.

This payment method seems unfair so I would dispute any fines if overstaying ten minutes. Take them to court if necessary. Ignore the threatening debt collection letters. They are designed to scare you.

Our extended family went to Lamorna Cove ONCE. We didn't even get to the signage before we were hounded by an oldish chap being obnoxious about paying straight away. We had no problem paying for three cars but this chap watched us all day to the extent that he watched us pack up and reload our cars " Stating that we were not allowed to take anything from the beach" We were just sunbathing and boldly going up to our knees in the sea and not up to no good. This weird experience has put us off from ever going to Lamorna Cove ever again, and we tell everyone to avoid it like the plague. We got back to our camp site and told the site owner of our experience at Lamorna Cove and he was furious. Stating that this will only put people/tourists off visiting. He wasn't wrong as we have never gone back to Lamorna Cove, but we did go back to his campsite and stay a further three times until he passed away and the site was sold on. Thank You for a Great video on Lamorna Cove and I hope it brings a little sense back to those managing the car parking.

Thanks guys for the update. Interesting video. Handy to know, as we're finding this more and more. Worth keeping a coin kitty in your vehicle.

I trust the landowner isn't connected to the Duchy of Cornwall...

Thanks for highlighting this rip off. Just another case of a private land owner on the make . Are they taking advantage of the fact that there is little or no internet signal ? we always carry a small bag of change on holiday just in case we come across a carpark like this. But one thing that you highlighted in the second carpark is the lack of markings, or signage that it is even a car park! Yet buried in the T&Cs, which ironically are so long you could take the 10 mins grace period to read, states you must park in a marked bay!! 😠

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the Trip Advisor comments all reflect the lack of clear signage and hidden t&c. We thought it would take a while to read them all! There are more about blue badge holders!! Sarah :)

We had this exact experience with a private car parking company a few weeks ago at Mousehole. A complete scam, and these private companies are basically detracting people from visiting Cornwall. All the money ends up out of Cornwall not going to local facilities or infrastructure. Cornwall needs to take back control of its car parks and make sure the revenue stays in the local area.

@jsc2606

Жыл бұрын

boycott the county and they will soon learn.

@yggdrasil9039

Жыл бұрын

@@jsc2606 We're not going to Cornwall again. If my tourist money isn't going into the local county but some multinational corporation then forget it.

@peterc2248

11 ай бұрын

Aye, thats Cornwall off my list sadly.

Thanks for posting this, it's very helpful. We're travelling from Glasgow to Mousehole for new year, and had considered visiting Lamorna cove, I think we'll try it via the SW coast path if the weather is decent rather than the hassle of trying to get enough coins.

Had short holiday in Cornwall five years ago. Never again.

Whenever we go on holiday I always make sure we have plenty of change , we have beer caught before 😡

@martinwebb1681

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Rosie, its just common sense. I always keep a bag of coins in the car, for car parks, Bridge tolls, air in the tyres etc.

I dropped my Son at Leeds/ Bradford airport last week. Last year £3 for 10 mins. This year £6 for 10 mins & £12 for 20 mins. Ridiculous. I wonder if at some point you may be charged for walking in the bay.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Wow! That’s daylight robbery! Sarah :)

@sguerreiroluis608

Жыл бұрын

Someone voto for this

@martinwebb1681

Жыл бұрын

Dropping of at Easy Midlands airport its £5.00 for 15 minutes then £1.00 per minute thereafter ... daylight robbery.

Simple solution…don’t go…go elsewhere in the area, or, better still, go abroad, it’s no more expensive and you are guaranteed better weather…then see how long it takes for this scandal to change.

Very useful video for visitors. Lamorna is a very beautiful place. The road down to Lamorna is also really pretty, and if you're able to walk, it's not remotely difficult, so it's best to get the bus and enjoy a beautiful stroll there as well! Many thanks!

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Hi! We thought it would be nice to highlight a trap that many people have fallen into and have left with a poor opinion of a beautiful cove. Such a shame that it’s ruined memories! Sarah :)

Lots of these rip-off car parks that fine you £100 if you don't buy a ticket within 5 minutes in Wales too. I got off the charge by complaining that they didn't write to me in Welsh as well as English.

Excellent presentation of "The Great Cornwall Car Parking Scams"......GREED GREED GREED..................

You need reasonable time to read the terms and conditions because it is a contract. Many people pay these quickly to get rid of them but worth seeking legal advice as it is about a contract. If someone was dyslexic it may take them longer to read the T&C's and if that's not enough then the contract would be illegal cos you can't just write whatever you want, it has to be above board. Appropriate signage must be up as well. It MAY be possible to pay after you leave when you do get internet access but remote places don't have internet access. Nant Peris car park in Wales is the same but it teases you with a card payment

Take your number plate off b4 u enter the village!!

@Daisy-tl2lh

Жыл бұрын

or better still find something quick n easy that can be stuck on then taken off in a hurry ... there's a business opportunity for some clever entrepreneur!

@madb132

Жыл бұрын

@Bercilak de hautdesert It's not Illegal if you are on Private road. Just cover them up👍

I would like to how and why someone can own the road leading down to a village. Who did they buy it from and who sold it to them? How did it become private?

I hiked through on SWCP so didn’t get caught. Great video - very useful.

car parking is a multi billion business and not a penny of it goes into town infrastricture and upkeep of the roads ... people need to stop paying and when dragged before the beak demand a trial by Jury that'll put an end to all the nonsense!!

We are often told "i can't tell you that because of the data protection act" strangely i have never found any clause or statement on a vehicle registration document that tells you that the dvla has the right to sell your data.

I tried to pay with smaller coins but the machine rejected them all. I guess I was lucky to leave within ten minutes. Parked elsewhere to walk to the Solomon Browne memorial.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh yes! We had a similar problem. It takes a maximum number of coins, something like 20 or 25 off the top of my head, Sarah :)

Thanks for putting this up. Perranporth has a similar scam operated at the Perran Bay Care Home in the town centre. If you turn into the car park off St Pirans Road (the high street), thinking it's a regular car park (it looks like one and is next to a smaller one) you automatically get charged £150 but won't find out about it until you return home. You then have a choice of driving all the way back to Cornwall to make a court appearance or just paying up. The owners keep the car park gate wide open. The signs are unreadable from the car. No fine is mentioned, let-alone the amount of the fine. The owners are paid a nice fee by the collections agency. This happens a lot in Cornwall. The practice receives tacit approval from the judiciary because a lot of Cornish people resent tourists.

Thanks you two, good information , I shan’t be visiting there.

Before we went to Britain I researched the car parks that we might use. That really helped a lot...not saying I might have ended up in this car park without any coin. Fun, informative video.

@CornishWalkingTrails

Жыл бұрын

You are very sensible! I would love to know how we compare! When we visited Florida, I don’t remember parking charges but it was such a long time ago!! Sarah :)

@heatherdepasquale9803

Жыл бұрын

​​@@CornishWalkingTrails Many large attractions charge for their car parks here. Smaller venues are usually free and large cities charge for everything... About £20 per day.

Great video! Thanks for heads up👍. Another place ruined. Reckon be doing very well to get in & out of there in 10 mins when its busy...... Even if there's no where to park. Sounds a stressfull place to take the family 😢

@CornishWalkingTrails

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Sarah :)

This is because people don’t want car campers or people living in there cars, they want to stop people enjoying themselves. Even through theses hard times it’s money talks now

Thank you for this. Good information.

Thank you so much for this my family & I will stay away from Cornwall altogether again thank you

If I know I’m entering a private road, I can cover my plates. Officially, that’s for MY privacy as I don’t consent for my personal information to be shared! I’m always low or have no coins. Cornwall is selling out more and more to greedy landlords and money grabbing businesses. Tourists allow Cornwall to exist, without Emmets the county would be akin to a 3rd world state; yet its these same Emmets who are continually punished. I have no love for 2nd home owners but those people who come to the area to spend money to pump into local businesses should not have the proverbial taken out of them.

@59BIGTED

Жыл бұрын

Just make a temporary cover to place over your number plate,if your on private land its not illegal if you don't consent to them sharing your details with their agencies,mine is P155 OFF.

Loved this, really hope you will go to Kemyel some time which is just the other side of Lamorna along the SW Coast Path!

Got caught up the Rd from the King Arthur car park Tintagel by Parking eye... The machine kept rejecting my coins, by the time I got ones that stayed in the machine.. A week later in the post a fine and photo of the vehicle entering the car park.. I explained the situation, sent a copy of my ticket... They demanded £100... The ticket cost was 50p for 30mins... Long story short... In the end they dropped the case, as I offered them another 50p for the few minutes it went over due to the coins being rejected.... ARGH# infuriating!!.. Tip hold on to your tickets as proof especially with Parking eye

Well done on Balanced observation comments on Car parking at Lamorna. I am sure that by watching CWTrails anyone visiting Beautiful Lamorna will come prepared.