You need a size 1-3/32 or 1-5/32 Carburetor, it's stamped on the side.Now Timing, Take out No1Spark plug, Rotate engine by hand until piston is at the top, There is a nick or notch on the balancer,This nick or notch must meet up with the lines on the crank cover if not keep rotating engine by hand until it does remembering No1 piston at the top once this is achieved remove distributer cap there is a very small nick or line on the top edge rim of the distributor the rotor button must face or point to this nick or line if it isn't lift out dizzy and replace it until the rotor button is in line, when in line this is No1 spark plug lead when dizzy cap is replaced, Now in a clockwise direction the next spark plug lead is No5,Then No3,Then 624. Hope this helps, Good luck 👍Ignition timing, Red motors run best at 16-17 Thou for the points,Spark plugs 35-36 thou,Red motors run best at 5-6 degrees before T.D.C, Turn motor over in clockwise direction until you reach between 3-4 lines after the long line on timing marks on crank cover (timing gear cover) if you go over don't correct it by going backwards, Rotate and start again, Once timing marks are at 5-6 degrees Take of No 1 Spark plug lead and put in a spark plug, remembering piston at No1 is at top TDC and timing mark is at 3-4 lines after long line on crank cover clockwise, Don't forget rotor button must face nick -line, Now loosen dizzy bolt on block, Turn ignition to on so power to coil, turn dizzy anti clockwise about an inch then turn clockwise gently until the spark plug clicks or sparks now you have ignition timing set, Sounds difficult but quite easy, Busting to hear that Beast arc. 👍I would have that running in 2.minutes👍

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Sweet thank you.

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

The bit there i was missing was the markings on the dizzy. I did everything else off camera but that. I set it to TDC with the old dizzy still in it, noted the location of the rotor and fitted the new one as close to that position as possible.

This is great man, I’ve been watching a few “will it runs” in the states and was wondering when I’d see an Aussie version. Legend man!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers bro I appreciate that. Be sure to keep an eye on the channel as we WILL got the old HR running again soon. Plus we have many more cars to play with.

Love your enthusiasm, parking lights not driving lights lol

Surprisingly, there are a lot of this era Australian built cars located here in Indonesia. In Indo, they do not have motor wreckers, they just build replacement parts, craft replica sheet metal etc & keep the vehicles running.

@lilbickleymane

2 жыл бұрын

Seen many with 2J swaps in them (especially in the VN’s) some are very well looked after. I wonder how much it would cost to import them back

@bjthebear8115

2 жыл бұрын

Big respect to Info for that.If you look after an old HQ it will last another 45 years.

@Gusto0172

2 жыл бұрын

@@bjthebear8115 Yeh, for sure. Here is a short vid illustrating the capacity of locals when it comes down to their metal work - as done on my old (once totally rusted out) suzuki 4wd. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6GJ1aunebyYd5s.html

@Gusto0172

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilbickleymane I've often thought about that myself - certainly be an interesting research project. No idea how Australian customs would put a price on rusty panels etc.

@bjthebear8115

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gusto0172 I will check this vid out when I am free later.I dig this bush mechanic thing & the ingenuity some folks have.Long may we tinker!

Great vids real and raw no BS. Thank you. Good to see some life in the old girl. Hope you treat the donk with some new oil before you run it. First car was HR wagon dropped a192 in it (bored out 186) and put the Premier disc brakes in it. Double barrel carb and extractors. Ran well.

Old Holden's never die.They just have better stories to tell.Great vid man.Brings back memories of my HJ ute which was similar to work on.

Drop the sump the oil will be like porridge... Great channel 👍

keep up the great work, brings back memories of my HR Prem ! Hope your collaboration with the other Amigos continues. I'm restoring my FJ which I've owned since 1970! If you're interested - Geoff Dunstan My FJ Holden - best regards, Geoff

hi from New Zealand,gotta love the Holden HR, they were my first 8 cars and I had a HR premier with the X2 pack twin carbs, etc sadly it did dukes of Hazzard jump off the road into the bush and rolled a couple of times, and hit a few trees and large rocks, walked away with bruises lol

@daddybob6096

2 жыл бұрын

@Mr Ivan Tchernegovski. I had a new 186S Patrol car in 1967 when i was a MoT Traffic Officer stationed at Picton. It was a manual transmission model, and quite a good handling car although first and second gear were quite low ratio gears which was compensated by very strong torque in third gear from 30 to 40mph upwards. I was also issued Loadometer Highway Scales which were quite heavy and i found when i carried them in the boot it affected the stability of the car at high speed. Accordingly i left the scales out mostly and the car performed very well with exceptional road handling. The Rego, was EB991, and in later years i saw it in Lower Hutt where it was privately owned and still in MoT black and white livery.

My hubby says about the carby not fitting you can take the bttom half of the carby off andput a later model bottom half on it they all bolted up same onto the rest of the carby ,the firing order was 1-5-3-6-2-4 point gap was 12 -16 thou ,plugs 26 thou and ign timing 6 deg , and the correct mix setting for the air /fuel was about 7/8 of a turn out from fully screwed in mind you he,s trying to remember from 40 years ago

Had one of those in the '70's. It had a 2 stage powerglide auto-transmission and discs on the rear.

@Rob-fc9wg

2 жыл бұрын

HRs never had rear discs.

Well I thought they were all dead.. Anyway, pull number 1 plug.. lift piston to top.. lining up timing mark on the harmonic balancer with the mark on the timing cover. On the distributor body there is a Nick in the edge.. lower the dizzy in so the rotor button points to the mark on the dizzy body (This should be TDC No.1). Firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 starting from the mark on the dizzy. Bring a slab in case it don't go... Cheers 🍻🥂🍺

@savsdad03

2 жыл бұрын

TDC of COMPRESSION! There’s 2 TDC’s in a 4 stroke! 😀

@manuelstarr3602

2 жыл бұрын

@@savsdad03 compression stroke

@savsdad03

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuelstarr3602 that’s what I meant!

@savsdad03

2 жыл бұрын

Spark at the top of the push not at the top of the blow. 😂

@georgemaragos2378

2 жыл бұрын

@@manuelstarr3602 Hi , it is either right or wrong. If it is backing through the carby you know it is wrong and 180 degrees out, just remove all the HT leads and move them 3 slots to the right Once you have the engine on tdc you can just throw the dizzy in, you can have the rotor pointing anywhere - not necessarily the cheat notch on the dizzy housing. But just remember where the rotor is now pointing to when you lock down the dizzy is the new no #1 position Only real problem is the genuine holden spark plug leads may be to short, we used to just buy valiant or ford leads because they were all about 4 inches longer

Gold. Also love the bonnet spear!

Hi! These engines are hard to kill.worked on plenty. Have you put some oil in it? A light grade mineral oil with a new oil filter is a must. The hydraulic tapets need oil to get some value lift. And for get starting sprays just throw some juice down the throat and stand back. Double check the timing!! Thanks for saving this old classic. .. Please restore it or sell it to someone who can. All the best with it.

great video mate, so cool to see a car crank over after sitting out bush for 40 years, I got my Volvo running off carby cleaner so I guess it could work with this,

Nice old Holden, awesome score

Good old Red Motor. We bought a GMH Bedford CF van ( New,$8,500 ) in Sydney,1979 fitted with the 175 Red Motor. We drove it to Perth in 1983 when we lived in Sth.Perth for a while,then back to Sydney,where we bought a house.We sold that house and moved back to NZ in 1992,bringing the Bedford back with us.In 1999,the clutch Pressure Plate collapsed (3rd time) and I parked it in our drive,where it still sits today. It has over 500,000 klms on the clock (that's 5 times around the old configured odometer},And the only work done to the motor was we had a new set of tappets fitted.It's now my covid project and I'm giving it an oily-rag do-up.The waterpump,thermostat cover and heater control unit were cactus but have since fitted new ones.Hope to be able to fire it up soon. Wish I was out in the outback with those old cars that you find and work on,Cheers

@kenwatkins7097

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, 173 Red Motor

I bet if you pulled the sump plug there will only be gluggy shit come out if you are lucky,,,, You need to drop your sump out ... its only 8 to 10 bolts.... get rid of the glug in the sump... its trying to turn over but its being held back by the glue of glug... wishing we had a beer in our hand giving you a helping hand... best of luck

Such a bloody good score wow!!!

I’d be using that 2 stroke gas to try and start it, not brake cleaner etc. It will help lubricate the engine. Also would pay to pull the sump and clean it out, and fill it with new oil.

Os that the old transport yard behind you. Old couple lived there. Made a nice achol drink. Good for a chat. Take care mate

Awesome to see you work on this one again mate.. Eagerly awaiting it.. Unreel that thing wasn’t seized in the cylinders after us been sitting that long.. You can’t ever hold the Holden red motor back but… Talk soon mate cheers Gas

with no carb on u are essentially trying to get the engine to start on full throttle with no choke u need to blank the carb hole off about 80%, then throw the ether in the gap watch no1 cylinder valves whilst turning over. straight after exhaust valve closes, the inlet should open. keep turning till the inlet valve closes, then keep turning till the tdc pointer on the crank pulley lines up with the pointer on case. the rotor arm should be pointing to no1 cyl. lead. loosen the distributor off +turn it forwards [ way of rotation] until points closed. now turn ign on, with coil lead off cap + close to engine, turn distributor backwards till she cracks - that will be dam close to correct. u dont seem to have the small[ body earth] lead connected [at battery end] it will help a bit, also run jump vehicle @ 3k for max voltage, with jump earth lead straight to engine block if u pull 1 stud out u could temporary nail carb in place make a dipstick out of pushbike outer brake cable/net curtain wire. ask someone with this engine on 'net how long it needs to be good luck from UK

First thing that comes to mind is all the space in the bay to get to everything. The VN looks in same shape although it's the jr.

You need a decent lead from your positive terminal to starter, put a new earth strap to the motor and clean the battery terminals. Keep spraying until she pops and starts then back off on the spray and squirt spray to keep running

defiantly more cranking speed and that will 100% turn over and fire! good stuff!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt.

This is awesome. Subscribed

recycling at its best: getting cars which have been written off as 'kaput' and making them work again.

Great channel

Dude just make an adaptor out of a piece of Jarrah for the carb. Wood spacers were common as they used to work well as heat insulators

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

That will work, not sure timber and fuel are a good mix. But it could work for our purpose. I have done dumber things haha

@GoneFalconcampin

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage works fine mate. As I said I've seen it on a few old cars. I bought a EJ grey motor for my FC it had one on it. Looked like it had been there for years seamed to run fine.

@jarrasoden3559

2 жыл бұрын

I don't want to be a carb spacer...🤔

You need to spray the alcohol in as your turning it over to create a mist that gets sucked into the chamber. It'll just settle on the manifold and evaporate otherwise. You'll also need to choke the hole to a lean mixture.

Been waiting for this one 2 thumbs 👍 from me

Looking at the cars colour I belive this is an old Federal government car, used in all states. Many Departments use to hire these from the Federal car pools located in all capital cities. I remember in 1970 the ABC in Adelaide, had one commuting mail, tapes and people between Colinswood ABC TV studios and ABC Radio in Hindmarsh Square in Adelaide

Happy dayz...can't wait😁

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy mate.

Leave the Dodo out of it! Great channel, just subbed mate.

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome.

If that motor's complete and covered up then easy start

Lucky it didn't fire up as it would have run at full throttle.If you can't get a carby use a flat plate with a 1/2 inch hole in it instead. Starting problem is most likely stuck valves or spark timing is incorrect. Hopefully you have checked to see if it has some oil in it by now. Great engines for their day and a quantum leap from the old grey motors that preceded them. I cut my teeth on those old motors. Good simple technology that could be repaired way out back of woop woop if needed. Cheers.

That body shape reminds me of a 1964 General Motors Chevrolet Chevelle wagon we had when I was in high school. Ours had a 283 ci. 2bbl carb, 3 speed on the column with electric motor on the tailgate glass.

@lazerzap1

2 жыл бұрын

HR was 1966-67 model here.. Made by GMH in Australia.. General Motors Holden.. GM in the USA being the parent company.. So yes they share general design ideas..

this is so cool!!

Small light in front are indicator + parking lights. Can't wait to see it run

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

It wont be long now.

My friends out bush have parts for this. Carburetors In WA.I am in Baldivis.There is a car like this one out at Sandstone.In 2008 When I was Last there.It was still going as well.Holden parts are all out the the WA Wheatbelt are.Some of the Hydraulic lifters need to pump up with oil again to get the valves moving the full way.Put Methylated Spirits down the intake to start that way.It works best .

Good vid

All hrs need a few solid love taps on the starter solenoid to get em going back in the day.

Love these old classic revivals, can’t wait to get into some myself this is good motivation!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Mate, cheers dude! Your a motivation to me, you have some cool builds on your channel. I found you for the r31 and stayed for the FD.

@Marc180sx

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage ayy no way! Small world haha, the FD will be getting some major love very soon

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

that's mint bro. Hit me up over on the Facebook page, it will be cool to chat.

@Marc180sx

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage followed ur page man, if you want you can message on mine and we can chat through messenger!

That brake booster is in a funny place holdens had in on the firewall with brake cylinder combined.

@ronjohnstonaustralia2417

2 жыл бұрын

Its a VH44 booster. Worth about 300$.

@gazzafloss

2 жыл бұрын

Not on that model, most of them came without boosters, that VH PBR unit is an aftermarket I'd be thinking.

Hey mate chasing a set of hg/ht/hk stub axles for my HD reckon you’d know of any out that way? Love you work mate great channel! Great to see someone else saving a few old girls out there.

Cant wait for this vid

@f4ufighter675

2 жыл бұрын

None of us can!

@mrpugtato386

2 жыл бұрын

All 7 of us

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

You fellas are making me nervous

@f4ufighter675

2 жыл бұрын

Why? It’s good content worth watching!

@mrpugtato386

2 жыл бұрын

Im sure you'll do great

Keep boring us with your random stories mate I like em

153624 is the firing order. Number one the rotor points toward the right front head light, from memory there’s a little mark/ line on the too of the housing. I’m confident you’ll work it out.

When will you be doing more work on this thing? I would love to see this run. Also, do you think you could try and track down the old motor? It should still be out there...... Also, I'm pretty sure that the 179 in there could be out of an old HD.

@WaynesWorld999

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Likely HD 179.

Crazy to think that car was only 12 years old when they walked away from it and it had already had a re-man engine.!!..I made good coin reviving old reds back in the day with a set of rings and bearings...Any Holden 6 cylinder starter will fit and any Bosch solenoid should fit...Aren't old Holdens great...Most all parts for a red will interchange...

@EV8Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see ya here Ziggy. Just followed your engine rebuild on the 173 Torana for my first engine rebuild

@ziggassedup

2 жыл бұрын

@@EV8Gaming G'day mate.

@1953beetle

2 жыл бұрын

Just need some basic tools and you're right with the old Holden 6's,not a degree in electronics,right?

@ziggassedup

2 жыл бұрын

@@1953beetle Absolutely.

@1953beetle

2 жыл бұрын

@@ziggassedup 😊👍

The lexas or vn commodore immobiliser is in the left hand front passenger front door jam

Did you check for spark at each lead from ever cylinder with a screwdriver? Make sure they're not broken and that the plugs are even receiving a spark?

Say hello to John at the pub. Miss your home. The committees . I enjoy living there. ) i tully enjoy your contants. Stay cool ) just sad the young police are crap. Take care there. ) wish you get more views. )

The Old beast will live again , do the window wipers work 😃

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

She sure will. Wipers don't work yet. But there was one fuse I wasn't able to replace so that may be all it needs.

That 179 engine i would say came out of Torana car.

Bell st fitzory crossing. Old concrete units on the ground. Old holden engine and val motors. Look up work shop . Fitzory crossing wa next door. God old aboriginal boss. Great boss. Engine complete . Best wishes

Firing order is 153624 set 1 at 4 oclock spray all electrical contacts like fuse box starter motor earth wires etc with electrical contact spray it will make a huge difference

I'll see if I have any i have a few 186 and a 161 so I'll have a look around for you

Hey DJ could you not make a cardboard template of baseplate of manifold where it meets carb and make an adaptor plate to make one of your carbs work just to get it running also try spraying brake cleaner whilest your turning it over like at the same time from what i could make out your wer doing it before ,also throtelbody cleaner will not work for what your trying to do,I don’t think,i watched this video this time last nite but was to tired to comment mindnite here now really enjoy your videos..hope to hear her run soon………🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🔩

That’s a 1980’s Moore power recon eng sticker! With the amount of body filler in it I would presume it was left out there in the early to late 80’s

How do you go when u find these old vehicles without a compliance plate? as you may want to rego it?

almost road worthy lols had a ej wagon with 179 drove the thing alround the country for years till it was 40 years old

I might have missed it but has it got some oil in the sump at least? Be a shame to fire it up and then immediately sieze it.

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

I have no idea lol. I got some oil ready to go for round two.

Had to leave the premiere half way through. Told you I have a complete carby for a 179. You never rang me DJ

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

All good dude, great to catch up with you today.

3:45 - Walking stick for venting manifold gases. Later on there was a hose into the inlet manifold. I have a chrome one that came on a 202 in a Torana that I had a while back.

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Its cool, I have never seen a metal tube like that for a vent.

@BorkenGarage

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage I don't think you can get rego with them now cause they effectively spit oil onto the road, but you're probably not worried about that :-) Also if you are willing to wait, I got a starter for my 179 from eBay a couple of years ago, may be worth a look. From China so not sure if you can still get them.

@samsungtvset3398

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage Walking stick metal tube was only on EH. HD had a pcv valve and vacuum hose to cast iron inlet manifold. Cast iron because it was bolted to and heated by the exhaust manifold. HR had aluminium inlet manifold with water hoses to heat it like on this one.

@johnwitte551

2 жыл бұрын

@@samsungtvset3398 early hr had them as well

@georgemaragos2378

2 жыл бұрын

@@BorkenGarage Hi, re the rego they cant knock you back on rego as that was the way it was designed, it was legal new so ti is still valid. Same story with seatbelts in say FJ-EH, you dont need them , but yeah seat belts best if you have them.

I think I have a carby in the shed. I'm in NSW though!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers dude Ill keep you in mind. Got a couple of local leads to follow up first.

Memories .. Sigh ! ...

100% timing put some 2 stroke down the inlet leave the dizzy loose not to loose just so you can turn it . Kick it over and turn dizzy back and forth slowly.. guaranteed it will start

Hi DJ, I'm in WA. are there any front guards for sale or do you know of any,... Thanks

put the negative lead from the prada straight onto the engine

Not driving lights, indicator and park lights, no driving lights in 1967

Look up Vise Grip Garage. Pretty funny and same theme.

@savsdad03

2 жыл бұрын

Waaay too much petrol down the carb ..... perfect!

nice

@AutomotiveKarnage

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate.

compression test would probably tell you if it's going to start (valves not sealing) a lot quicker. than trial and error. with good compression and warm weather a bit of petrol in the intake hole would have fired off (too much would just flood it) any update on this car? or is the the most recent video?

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Head over to "down the shed with Byron" youtube channel. We got it fired up and running over there.

@deankdx

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage cool! just heard it run and idle even. great channel, i've shared it to a few places now, so more people will be enjoying the outback of Oz without dealing with flies, heat and dust..

sounds like timing is off a little, middle lights are parkers/indicators

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

timing is defiantly the first thing we will play with in round two.

Are you from new Zealand mate?

Where abouts in OZ are you cheers from Moruya.

I,d run a compression test Make dire you have some cylinder pressure.

That bonnet spear would be worth a bit if it’s in good condition

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

which it is. It is my favorite feature on this car.

@adrianbanks4487

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutomotiveKarnage I subscribed, hope to see the hr come back to life soon. As you can see from my photo I have a soft spot for them

shouldnt hav worried about the atf rip all the plugs out blow out all the atf clean the plugs put some actual petrol down the manifold and it will run red motors r bulletproof good luck.

Better heading would be Will It Break In Half For The First Drive In 42 Years !!

Will be good to see the old HR come back to life, it,s condition is reasonable given that where it sat for 20 odd years without getting any attention. Those Holden Red motors are pretty tough, once you get it running with a radiator DRAIN the old engine oil, put a cheap oil and engine flush to get it clean inside! Really hope somebody will Help the boys get their mower/go kart running!

The HD models were 1966-7 years.

Are the twin sisters still live there. ? Sorry to bother you. So much that small town. )

The 173 and 202 and 179 were of orange color as the one you have that car.

@jasond2222

2 жыл бұрын

149 or 179 options on EH Holdens. EH’s actually had HP stamped on the block rather than a number, these engines where a dark red. For the HD Holden changed this back to numbers and a brighter red colour followed.

Must have a later model inlet manifold with the wider bolt pattern.

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

The first carb I got was off a HX anti pollution 202. That had the wider base.

@savsdad03

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the original HR manifold on the reco 179. HR onwards had water heated manifolds. EH & HD had exhaust heated. Also, Look on the passenger side of the block, does it say 179 or HP? The HP was a better motor with forged crank etc.

So close bro

HD hastily designed HR hastily rectified

@jasond2222

2 жыл бұрын

Does it go horribly designed hastily rectified

So after all that as with the title of this clip suggests, Will it run? Seems that’s NO.

The moment we have all been waiting for!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Here's hoping it was worth it.

Great progress 👍 looks like you need new battery terminals that you can tighten and get good contact etc, Do a very short video, wanted carb, give all details off inlet manifold and engine, also say what the carb stud pcd is 🙂 also details of the carbs you've tried

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

That's not a dumb idea for a video.

@drutin

2 жыл бұрын

you may also want to check your negative and positive cables for resistance etc, also the cable terminals and contact points, ie chassis, block, starter etc also clean them up, also check you have a earth cable from engine block to battery, all will help with cranking speed etc

@drutin

2 жыл бұрын

With video about carb, you may even encourage someone to lend you a carb just to get it running, until you find one etc 🙃

I man that can help that loves wa. Now nsw. If can help I will little mick.

change the oil, and put heavier guage battery wires on it. charge the battery! LOL!

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

The first couple of batteries where a bit low on charge, but the last one was a new battery. New oil for sure will help.

It is a 1968 wagon.

Use two batteries 24v on tight engines

The EH model is a 1964 car.

Spray the brake cleaner as you turn it over she will go . It is turn over slow as well

@AutomotiveKarnage

2 жыл бұрын

Its gonna get there alright.

@christmaselfcustoms

2 жыл бұрын

Correct answer young man 👍

@christmaselfcustoms

2 жыл бұрын

When it fires keep giving it short bursts it will keep it running.

Got them to fire off deodorant spray before too.

Not sure that the 179 came out of the EH model they had a 149 engine.

@ronjohnstonaustralia2417

2 жыл бұрын

No. Mine is 179. Most were.

@gazzafloss

2 жыл бұрын

The EH had both 149 and 179 and could also be bought with a hi compression 149 in the day.