Inverted forks are stronger, more rigid and lighter resulting in a more stable and responsive front end. I think they look better, more muscular. The M50 calipers are superior to the previous model which I was surprised you didn't spend more time on. Stickier rubber always improves handling characteristics and rider confidence so it's an easy way for Triumph to upgrade handling. Will the Racetec's last as long as the Rosso's? No way but hit the curves hot and enjoy life on two wheels while they last. The suspension is clearly spec'd to keep price down, want Ohlins? Especially on the rear? Buy them after market, they're less that $1k and it doesn't get any easier to install a set than on this bike. This bike definitely needs a factory quickshifter option. After seeing the 2021 model and knowing the changes Triumph made, I wouldn't even consider the previous model.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I did forget to get into the brakes, but I'm really happy about that upgrade. Seems like a no-brainer since Triumph already put the M50 on a few other bikes. Most of the changes they made will definitely make the sportbike riders happier; it's the all-round riders like me who really weren't asking for the tires to be stickier and less versatile. A quick shifter would be awesome though, I wonder if they're planning to add it to the Thruxton.

I ride hard, so I for one am thrilled at the racetec rr’s. You’ve got to take profile into consideration when you’re talking about tire choice. They sharpened up so many facets of the agility and handling of the bike they would most certainly want to put the sharpest handling tire on it. The pirelli super corsa that came on my 765rs were such a tremendous tire for what it was designed for. Just not wet or cold haha. The k3 rr is a much more suited all around tire, the k1 and k2 are the ones you’re thinking about being “supersport” tires. I am thrilled with the brake upgrades as the m50’s are a tremendous caliper and them being radially mounted will help even more with bite and feel. The stylemas on my 765rs are the best feeling brakes I’ve ever felt ( mostly coming from the master cylinder but that’s an easy upgrade to do in the S2). I’m not thrilled about the shocks and will be replacing them ASAP, idk if I’ll go with the ohlins tho because I won’t be needing that much out of them for the street. I got the red hopper and it’s absolutely beautiful I want to find some brushed aluminum side covers or at least flat black I think it would suit the bike a bit better. If I had a complaint it would be the stock seat. Of course I’ve never had a bike that I’ve enjoyed the stock seat on so cest la vie

Agree with your comments 100%. Not enough improvements to tempt me away from my 2019 model. Engine tweaks were probably needed for Euro 5. As far as I’m concerned, the only other changes needed were better front and rear suspension. (Full adjustability). I bought my 2019 to recapture the feeling of my first experiences of 1960’s parallel twins. Did it perfectly !

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear it lives up to the nostalgia! Strangers often ask me how it compares to an original and I don't have an answer for them

Totally agree with your analysis. I own a 2019, and will eventually upgrade the suspension and exhaust as opposed to trading it in. What we are looking for in an updated Speed Twin will probably arrive in a few years when a new model arrives. That said, kudos to Triumph for the mid-life upgrade.

the 2019 gray version is the most beautiful Speed Twin. The new 2021 colors and tanks, rims and shocks are a bit uglier. I'm sure the new version is better in terms of performance, but it is uglier in my opinion. Enjoy your Speed Twin 2019, now it's a a unicorn!

@robstahl2531

2 жыл бұрын

I will buy the later version...but (hopefully) obtain the earlier Grey tank (as I prefer the graphics)...or get the (later) tank re-painted...add some decent rear suspension,and a small rack on the back.......the perfect bike for my use....

Totally agree with everything you said. They should have just got the engine euro 5 compliant and made a R version.

Don't like the new paint job. Don't like the look of the USD forks and front mudguard, think the whole aesthetic has been downgraded. I'm glad I got my '19 model when I did. They seem to have done a half way job to an R model, which I think is what people were wanting.

@michaelmclarney1994

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer the new paint scheme but if I bought an old model and had the opportunity I think a yellow paint job might suit it.

5) Engine: Well, I dont think Triumph was heavily aming for a 3 PS gain, or the torque peak 500 revs earlier. They wanted to go Euro 5 compliant, and prevent the bike or better engine from beeing worse. While doing so, it came out that they could go and improve the engine very very slightly. I dont cheer for the improvments, I wasnt asking for it, but as the need and reasoning was Euro 5 - I dont blame Triumüph on this - well done.

Nice feedback. I have a street twin, replaced now by a speed twin. Can‘ t wait for next season 😎🔥😍

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Great deconstruction of the '21 updates! Can't wait until you get a chance to actually ride one - then we'll have a complete analysis from one of the most credible TST enthusiasts on the road.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I definitely would love to put my money where my mouth is and test ride one

It seems like all us gen 1 owners are saying the same thing. I don't imagine anyone will be in a rush to trade up to the newer model but I'm sure it will appeal to riders who want a speed twin with a more modern twist.

I agree for the most part. The updates are not enough to get me to trade in my 2019. I do like the paint scheme and I think the brake upgrade is definitely a positive. I think the best part of the engine upgrades are the additional 500 RPM on top as I find the motor kind of asthmatic compared to similar sized twins. (I have a 2009 Monster 1100 that leaves the SP for dead in roll on's). You are absolutely correct on the tyres......just no need for the RR's except for PR puroses. Overall look is still good but as you said, the R and D would have gone to better use with worthwhile suspension upgrades. Just not enough improvement to justify trading but I think new buyers will be happy.

I have the same model as you and have ridden the new one. One modification you didn’t mention was the improved steering geometry, which I felt improved the handling. And the new front brakes don’t squeak! Like you, I agree that the changes aren’t sufficient to justify an upgrade. Most of the reviews I’ve seen make the same suggestions. Let’s hope they influence the next iteration of this fabulous bike. I would like to see adjustable suspension, a quick-shifter and self-cancelling indicators. I can’t find any mention of an upgrade being planned but, with a bike as good as this to enjoy, I’m prepared to be patient! I’ve added a fuel booster, larger airbox, throttle spacer, bar-raisers, Lance and Hines exhaust, adjustable footpegs and levers, bar ends, paddock stand bobbins and a luggage rack. Next will be a Dinali Soundbomb.

@VanBlamm

Жыл бұрын

How do you like the bar risers and adjustable pegs, and which ones did you get? If I could stop myself from sliding forward on the sloped seat there'd be no limit to how many hours I could spend in the saddle. Thanks for watching!

@davidbrann3581

Жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm The bar risers, adjustable pegs and levers were all from TECBIKEPARTS. The risers are only 20mm, but cheap, easy to fit and sufficient to transform the ride from my perspective. They have taken the weight off my wrists and I have ridden 150 miles in a day with no problems. I needed to adjust the pegs, because I bought a new pair of Rokker boots that were to fat for me to change gear. The pegs were easy to fit (unlike the levers!), do a good job and look great. Keep up the good work! Thanks!

Got the new twin. In 2021.. wish they had a cruise control for long rides

Triumph should make a speed twin r with the best Ohlins suspension, best Brembo brakes, a 1250cc engine with 110 horsepower, and more weight reductions. They can make a limited pre sale run of the bike every year. Triumph should also put the catalytic converter in the slip on and not under the bike. This could stiffen the frame up a bit by having a solid tubular vs bolt together. The current speed twin, I own one, is still the coolest retro bike by far and performs well.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

If they ever worked an all-alloy frame into the Speed Twin to drop like 50 pounds, I'd trade up in a heartbeat, even if it were more expensive

@ArtHelm

3 жыл бұрын

OK. So you want a $20K+ Speed Twin?

@truthcrusader4521

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArtHelm I said limited edition Art and keep the standard model also. It could sale for the same price as a Thruxton R. Triumph needs to bump up the power to at least 110 like the BMW R on 9. Just increase the displacement on the current engine to 1,250. The new water cooled Sportsters are going to be released soon and they are claiming 120 HP and around 500 pounds. Allot of competition out there.

@ArtHelm

3 жыл бұрын

@@truthcrusader4521 yeah, you can do anything if you throw enough money at it. But you don't need to have a cafe racer that does more, and weighs more. My last bike had very similar power numbers. I would ring-it-out all the time. A cafe racer with a high center of gravity is not designed to do more. I would put a word class suspension on it and call it a day.

@truthcrusader4521

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArtHelmThe Triumph Speed Twin will have the advantage of being thirty plus pounds lighter then the new Sportsters and have the history and cool factor of being the original cafe racer. Not to mention the Sportster was no match for the Triumph line of bikes in their heyday. The only way I will get rid of my current Speed Twin is if an improved model comes out or to many miles pile up. Triumph will probably not come out with an R version of the Speed Twin due the possibility of loosing sales on the Thruxton. I may just get the new 2021 Speed Twin and buy the Thruxton rear shocks for it. I had a thruxton and it was a good bike but I got rid of it when the Speed Twin came out. I liked the look better and more comfortable riding position. Boring the current engine out to a 1,250 should not increase the weight. 110 horse power is what BMW cafe racers have and they are air cooled. The Speed Twins advantage over the BMW is it weighs allot less. Make the horse power even and the Speed twin is the clear winner.

I 100% agree with your assessment. After purchasing my 2019 ST (silver like yours) it didn’t take long for me to decide it is a long-term keeper; so i have made a number of upgrades that , though costly, are worthwhile in the context of my long-term ownership intentions. My most costly upgrade is Nitron suspension front and rear, and i have also installed Vance & Hines cans, x-pipe, and a few other things to fine-tune the performance and look of the bike. At this point, trading in for the 2021 would be a big step backwards. I have no regrets.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Right on, sounds like an awesome setup. Glad you're loving your silver '19 too.

I agree 100% with all your comments, especially about the new front end. I testrode a Speed Twin in April and decided to order one. Now I'm getting the new version delivered in July.... well, what can I say.... but I'm still looking forward to my new bike.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, congrats on the purchase! You're gonna love it

Your cleared my all doubts....thankyou so much for best detailed comparison in both models.....as I am planning to get one those....

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad to hear it!

Best HONEST and "Balanced" Bike Review by far! I love Triumph bikes and would love either model speed Twin. Thank you VB, Subscribed!!

Thank you for spelling it all out better than I ever could. Best measured review so far on this bike. I won’t be parting with my 2020 anytime soon (same paint as yours) and especially not after I added the rear Ohlins and front Nitron suspension upgrade of the kind Triumph should have pursued with this new generation. And yeah, those new tires… wtf?

4) Exhaust: I do like the look of the new one better. If somebody doesnt like the black end-tips, I expect those to be changeable for a small price to metal look. I did hear rumours, that the whole exhaust system now is welded in one peace. This would mean no easy installation of X-pipe - what a pitty :-(.

In terms of pure looks, nothing beats the 2019

I concur with your views. I am not going to trade in my 2019 for this upgrade.

My grey 2019 has 2 into one ceramic coated gp exhaust, oxygen sensor removal kit, adjustable suspension front and back NITRON! Puig manta screen, an EK black and silver drivechain, michelin Power 5 and thats it! I like the stock lights, mirrors and headlight ears. Only other thing i might do is replace ugly headbolts

Triumph are forever saying that they listen to customer feedback, talk is cheap, someone should hold them to account for this half arsed upgrade, what a missed opertunity.

So right, fork gaiters rock. Good point about the tank paint re pads.

To me the forks don't suit a retro and neither do the brakes, they should have just updated the engine and paint then done a speed twin r.

Another great video. I like all the improvements they have made but I am a heavy aggressive rider. I also will be chopping in my speed triple RS for one in the future as I also getting old. The need to look cool popping the the shops and getting coffee on one is calling 😎

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah. Glad somebody out there will actually be pushing the limits of one

@davidludlow1449

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm and I'd track day the bitch 😈

Spot on , Including "ChaseOnTwoWheels' comments !!

Thoughtful review...I have a 2022 on order with anticipated August delivery.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, congrats on the purchase!

Performance improvements are a plus, but for the looks I'm glad I have my 2020 model. I feel like the new fork and brakes are crossing wires - they look great in isolation but somehow not what I wanted on a ST, or at least a non-R version. The best part of the original bike IMO was the subtle-looking performance gains over the other Bonnies while retaining the classic looks. Actually glad they changed the tank to something different and slightly worse - makes the original that much more special!

+1 great comparison and agree, upgrade the rear shocks and swap the tires for PR5’s would be my fixes.

Power/torque increases, why not? If they're fiddling to get through Euro 5 I imagine there was a fair bit of untapped potential in that under-stressed engine. I'd prefer the old forks for looks, with better internals. Rear shocks - I've not been bothered enough to change them on my 2019 yet. A LED light might have been good and perhaps a little more saddle padding. I've always wished the ST had cruise control; it's on the T120 so might have been an easy upgrade or option at least. I wonder if the M50's will cure the all-to-common brake squeal? Tyres - agree with you 100%.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I'm liking the idea of cruise control more and more these days, but I suspect Triumph want to preserve the T120's position as the "luxury Bonnie," even though it would cost them almost nothing to add it to the Speed Twin. I'm happy about the M50s, although I've ridden a Thruxton R that had them and they still squealed...

Your absolutely right! Triumph are making some crazy decisions, take a look at MCN's review of the Speed Triple.

I have ordered the new model on the back of how good the old speed twin is, I haven't even riden one but i'm damn sure the upgrades will make a difference, looks awesome 😁

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt the new one performs better than ever

Thanks for that comment at the end not dissuading us from buying one! I test road a 2019 a while back and loved it but never got a chance to get one, now thinking of trading up from my INT650 and like you said I think I’ll go for one of the new ones. Gonna miss the looks of the gaiters but as you said it’s the best version yet so why not get that one (black tank is my choice as I think it looks the classiest)

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Can't go wrong with black, that's for sure! You're going to love it

I had a 2011 Thruxton 900. I put on the Ohlin rear shocks and RaceTech up front. British Customs Air box removal kit. I gave it to my nephew 2 Christmas's ago. I have a 2011 Speed Triple, 2011 Tiger Explorer and 2020 Daytona 765 Moto2. I loved the Speed Twin when its came out a couple years ago. Now that it has has the upgrades I want it even more. I do agree with you about the rear suspension. Wished they had done the Ohlins and Road 5 tires. Was hoping for a Speed Twin RS. With all that said I do want the 2021 model when it's released in August. I love your channel here dude!

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hope you get one!

Like you, I keep the version… but I fitted the new Metzler racetec tyres. They are fantastic. Cheers

A very interesting take on what makes you happy about your 2019 Speed Twin and what you find interesting - or not- about the new edition. I have to say I am a big fan of Triumph having owned a Speed Triple and a Scrambler XE. I myself would definitely buy into the new Speed Twin simply because as you so rightly put it, it's still an awesome classic bike with bags of torque as well as a great look and feel about it when riding it. Thanks for the interesting views and ride safe! P.s. Amazing backdrop to your video. I'd love to ride those roads.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I shot this in the middle of a tour, although those videos probably won't make it up until the end of summer

I ride a T100, and although I would like more power, and some of the better things you get on the T120/Thruxton/Speed Twin, I've got 23,000 miles on my T100 so can't see me trading it in. Too many custom parts on it now, and I absolutely love it. Gonna keep it for my daily rider/commuter even when I get a sporty 2nd bike!

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, I'm glad to hear your T100 is getting enjoyed the way it deserves to be

I think the new one looks great. Especially the upside down fork, front brake, mufflers and wheels. But think I'll go for the new Street Twin in blue and save some money. Nice ride, cheers.

I finally bought my silver/black Speed Twin in April because I feared the new update would be something like this. This was before the new model was announced and, strangely, the dealer sold it as a 2021 model. That’s what’s listed on the title. Very odd. You are so right. The updates are surprisingly off the mark. You’re generous with the esthetics. The first gen is objectively a better looking bike. We all see it. It’s just beautiful.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's being rolled out as like a half-year update, where some 2021s are the old model and some 2021s are the new model. Congrats on the new bike, and on getting the correct color!

Wholeheartedly agree. The knee-jerk reaction to the updates might be to run out and buy one over any available current models or trade a current model in for a new one. I agree that the current and new models are both spectacular, but some of the upgrades feel like click bait. Specifically the front suspension and tires. If anyone was to ask me what the most significant upgrade is, I'd say it is the radial mounted calipers. Legitimate upgrade there.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I forgot to get into the front brakes in this video, but yeah I'm very happy about that upgrade. They were great already, but since Triumph already uses the M50 on multiple models it was a no-brainer to add it to the Speed Twin as well.

3) Shocks: Better chassis / forks / shocks to cost money. But well, the 2019/2020 SPEED TWIN was never cheap (price okay, but no bargain). If you compare what you get in parts with a Street Triple R (breaks, shocks, etc.) i think Triumph could have put at least a little better parts on the Speed Twin already 2019. Now with the upgrade, the went 30%+ of the distance, but not the full way. Breaks M50: super, Marzocci forks: Sound good enough to me (same as Showa - I dont need Ölins all the time). To suid buyers expectations best, the should have made the standard version maybe 200 pounds more expensive, but go to adjustable forks and a little better shocks PLUS offer an R version and I dont know - 800 pounds more than the standard and equip that with full Ölins?

I was REALLY hoping to see 1) rear shock upgrade (you can't adjust the preload on the '19-'20 shock because the pipes are in the way - big design flaw); 2) Standard heated grips; 3) Std or optional CRUISE CONTROL - I mean, c'mon, man, we're touring on our ST's! and 4) Color options like British racing green or blue. I agree the engine mods aren't worth the R&D money. 3 more ponies and 500 revs aren't worth the trad-off for less range due to higher fuel consumption. And the tires? Who the F cares. The 2021 is still just as attractive as the last gen, but I'll stick with my gorgeous 2020 red devil!!

@robstahl2531

2 жыл бұрын

.For touring..if that's your thing...just add 1 tooth at the front sprocket....it has the torque to deal with it..will add MPG...and be a little more relaxed at Motorway speeds...these sort of bikes are made to 'adapt' to individual needs..

Agree completely with you assessment...personally prefer the 2019 paint schemes, wheels, and gators, and like yourself, don’t mind the blacked out stock pipes which are easily upgraded regardless. Totally happy with my 2019 model, and have no thoughts on upgrading to this years updated version. Will be upgrading the rear suspension this year to either Olin or TEC.

@davidfisch7654

3 жыл бұрын

Jay, big difference in price between TEC and Olin. Do you know of anything in between, Fox, maybe?

@jaylongo8332

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidfisch7654 Very true…but other than the Hagen Nitro shocks which still cost $600 - $750, I’m leaning towards Ohlins TR 924 which have adjustable rebound damping and preload, and can be found around the $750 range. I like the simple single tube design which is compatible with the style of the bike.

@hollowaysteve

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaylongo8332 If you’re looking at that price range you should consider the Nitron models. They do a ‘non reservoir’ model with combined compression/rebound adjuster in addition to preload. I’m pretty sure that’s going to be my choice when I get around to it. I’ve had the basic Ohlins in the past. The quality I’d good but rebound and preload can be a bit constricting depending on how you ride and differing road surfaces. In Europe the extra adjustability can be very useful as I’ve had to re calibrate the suspension two or three times a day when touring mainland Europe. Especially when in and out of mountain roads. However I know from experience that your main roads are in better condition than in the UK and I’m guessing that your mountain roads are better too so perhaps ‘ultimate adjustability’ isn’t quite the necessity that it is over here.

I agree with everything you say my man, spot on.I sure as hell won't be trading mine in.

I will buy 2019 model. I agree with all you mention on the video. Thruxton has better suspension and forks. No need of more power then in 2019 when most of crousing and from time to time a bit rushy driving. Good video, keep running. Take care and thanks Jarek

Agree, I will stick with my 2019 grey ST. VH pipes and tail tidy the only mods. Changing to Road 5’s recently transformed the bike imo. Should they release a R model with rear Ohlins in British racing green, I might be tempted… 🤔

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I would LOVE to see a Speed Twin in BRG

I would like to see a torque curve comparison. Increased compression and higher RPM to get 3 HP at 7 grand? The brakes are the only practical improvement and the originals are not bad. With two 600cc thumpers engine braking is not a problem. Hate the inverted forks.

I am also not considering trading in my 2020 ST, cause i already addressed most shortcomings with adjustable shocks in the back and a pair of adjustable front cartridges. I second that the paint scheme of the 2021 models is not better (love my gray paint) and the rims are also not. Would assume that the dnk mapping on my Euro4 motor also makes up for the improved tune on the euro5 ones nowadays. It would come down to only the vastly improved front break setup. Guess they won't squeal like mine but plan to address that for next season. Stay safe. Greetings from Germany, always eager to view your vids when they show up!

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad to have you watching and commenting! I rode a Thruxton R with the same Brembo M50 on the front and they squealed just as badly.... Ride safe!

Agree with what you say. Have a 2019 Twin. I don't weigh much for a 6ft bloke and the suspension works fine for me now that it's loosened up (6000 Miles). Brakes might be a bit grabby on the front that the radially mounted ones could fix. Why didn't they fit cruise control to the thing? We all have to do transit miles to get between the lovely roads. As for the licourice tyres, you wouldn't have 'em for long...

Excellent video. Almost every word of it counted

I'm a 2019 model owner and I think that the only improvement which could be worth enough to think about trading for the new model could be the front brake update. Because the squeal noise problem is really annoying. Anyway, I agree with you and will keep mine, mostly because I'm really in love with that bike.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I've ridden a Thruxton R that had these same new Brembo M50s, and they squealed too. My Speed Twin quieted down on its own over time; seems like it's just the luck of the draw.

Right on about the suspension.

The engine changes were to tackle the extra restrictions in the exhaust (Euro 5). They bumped up the fuel consumption though so maybe they were going for a bit more than the previous bike.

Great review and completely agree. The 2021 updates are pointless and arguably worse than the first generation. I waited until they released the 2021, saw the poor updates, especially the crap suspension still, and went out the next day and bought a used 2019 ST.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the new bike! You made a good choice.

@thomaswhite160

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2020 Gator forks look alone puts it ahead of the newer version.

good vid! did you solve the front breake noise issue???

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Sort of. I solved it by not doing anything and it went away after a few hundred miles

Great honest review, may I ask, what are the touring bags fitted and is there a specific rack to mount these to ?

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

I use the SW-Motech Blaze saddlebags. Here's a review I did when I first got them: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6yO29mxdZm2qco.html They've held up great since then. They come with mounting brackets specific to your bike.

@thesilecroftlad8292

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm cheers 👌

The engine improvements was not first and foremost improvements for it's own sake. It was most about Euro 5 compliance. From that the added horsepower and easier spin up was a bonus. I agree, upside down fork nice. Non adjustable fork not so much. That puts some potential buyers in a tough spot. Now they got to spend even more money to upgrade. And same goes for rear shocks. The stock ones are will for many riders be nothing more then placeholders controlling the sag while stationary while waiting for upgraded adjustable shocks. Too bad we didn't see a Speed Twin R.

100% agree !!!

Keep it! If you sell to purchase the 2021 Speed Twin buy the Jet Black, swap the tanks and sell the old version. I would still purchase the Ohlins STX36 on the rear for the Speed twin. She would be nearly perfect. I say nearly, because my 2021 Thruxton RS is perfect (tongue and cheek). I test rode both back in February and so glad I splurged for the Thruxie. I had a suspicion on what new Speed Twin would be released. Triumph is not going to cannibalized the Thruxton which is their "Premier" modern classic.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly I think that's exactly right.

The Metzler RR tire choice is absurd. A lot of companies are "over-tiring" their bikes IMHO. Sticky race tires on a retro bike with 99hp? If people want to track their bikes, they'll change the tires. We don't need them to come with it as stock. I wouldn't even put them on the Speed Triple 1200, but it would be more understandable at least. Enjoy the horrible tire life because you'll be replacing those soon! Also, no adjustable suspension? Very strange. I bought an Aprilia Tuono 1100RR for $13K, only $500 more than I can get a new speed twin for. For that $500 I'm getting fully adjustable upside down Sachs front suspension, a fully adjustable Sachs piggyback monoshock, a Bosch 5 axis IMO, a Color TFT dash, Cornering ABS, wheelie control, launch control, rear lift control, traction control, Brembo M50 calipers on Brembo 320mm discs with a Brembo Master cylinder, a Brembo rear caliper and disc, a 200mm rear tire, a 175 hp V4 with titanium valves, an insane soundtrack, 15lbs lighter, and Rosso III tires which might have some longevity to them. The thing is a complete animal. I love the look of the Triumphs, and it would be cool to have a bike that's a little less "Attack everything like a Lion or don't go at all" to it, something easy and smooth to ride, but I'm trying to see the value here. What I'd like to see is fully adjustable front suspension, Ohlins piggybacks on the rear, with a nice set of lightweight spoked wheels and a slightly lower seat height. I'm over 6', but this is a classic bike and it should look that way, IMO. If people wanted a race bike, they'd buy something else. And screw Euro anything. Who the hell are they? The only difference they're making in this world is ruining the enjoyment of motorcyclists the world over. Regulating motorcycles is like removing 5 lbs of sand from the oceans of the world and thinking you made a difference.

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of truth in this comment!

100% agree with everything you've said. I really like the Speed Twin - I test rode one last year, but re the brakes/shocks/fork issues, I keep flip-flopping about 2020 model vs new one, but then why not just get more upright bars/risers and top yoke on a 1200 Thruxton R and have all the good bits! Hmm decisions, decisions!

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

That'd certainly be cheaper than upgrading a regular Speed Twin to the R specs

100% agree with your assessment

I'm keeping mine.

The, upside down,,forks are called, inverted. The benefit beyond adjust ment is weight and strength. I guess Triumph just didn't want to add adjustablility. I think Triumph relies on it's brand to sell their products. When you compare, honestly,,, motorcycles, their quality is very comparable. As for performance, unless you build it into a sports bike, Triumph gets it's butt kicked , a lot. But I still own one. And love it.

you forgot to mention the exhaust and decat, the new one has the decat welded to the exhaust I believe and the after market options are now going to be significantly more expensive, an absolute must if you have any 1200 cc engines from Triumph, it will transform your bike and the riding experience. The breaks are definitely a much needed improvement but completely agree with you, the rear shocks could have been better in this iteration. Save your money, buy a used reasonably priced Speed twin and do the upgrades.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Welded cat and cats in the mufflers is a huuuge bummer

Love your point of view in this video... It is exactly what I have been feeling ever since I saw the launch videos from Triumph and all the KZreadrs, who seem to me a little too eager. They have done things, that just felled unnecessarily and a little stupid, in my opinion. Maybe to make it more suitable for the superbike people. As you say! This bike, even though they probably did not attempt to, is an all-rounder bike. and I was kind of hoping for a cruise-control option. As I have plans to go around Europe on it. And I am not an Aventure bike fan. And I absolutely hate the new tire option and front fenders.. I think mine (same as yours, just 2020) is just as good as the new one... They hit it out of the park the first time, and these new tweaks do not give me any more joy in my day-to-day life riding. or at least i don't think so. BUT this is of cause seen from my perspective, I like twists and turns, and will spend a lot of my free time going to the alps and around Germany where the twist and turns are just incredible. Others might think differently, AND THANK GOD for that, so we can have different opinions. and have interesting conversations about it :)

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm actually starting to come around on the idea of cruise control, especially after doing a couple 350-mile days. Seems silly to omit it on any RBW bike, but I guess Triumph wanted to protect the T120's position as the "luxury Bonnie"

@TimTalksVlog

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm haha!! Yes it is a little silly to put that on a RBW bike.. BUT! for long days with freeway (europe is conneted by freeways) it would be nice to have.. even as an add on option.. anyway love the videos 😎😎

@davidfisch7654

3 жыл бұрын

Tim, my son (2017 T-120 with upgraded rear shocks) and I (2020 stock Speed Trim) recently rode the Black Hills and Badlands in South Dakota. The VERY twisty roads in Custer State Park (Black Hills) were absolutely to best riding we've done! I assure you, we had way more fun than everyone else riding their big Harley baggers and cruisers. Enjoy your European twisties!

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Riding my Speed Twin on route 16A was one of the best things I've ever done

@TimTalksVlog

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidfisch7654 i wrote a Harley street glide on the 89A a few years back.. would love to come back to the states again when it opens up a little more, rent a speed twin and hit some of the roads Van blam has shows, as well as 89a and the black hills.. they look fun :D

I have a 2020 in grey with adjustable rear shocks and progressive springs up front- love it and think some of those classic looks have been lost slightly on the 2021. Still a cracking bike. Read a lot about throttle slack on 2019s which mine does not have. Wonder if the previous owner did the $30 Ducati kit fix or whether Triumph sorted this on 2020s?

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

I did the spacer kit on my 2019 and I'd say it alleviated about 60% of the throttle snatch. Fueling is still quite abrupt in Sport mode.

Some good points and I agree with you about the tyre choice. However, as much as I liked the first gen bike to ride, I hung on for this version because it’s just better in every way. The old forks looked so agricultural😬

I have a 2019 Speed Twin. I would not get the new one. I have spent way too much to start over. Namely x-pipe and Euro taillight, Rizoma signals. The new suspension doesn't look like a much of an improvement - still low end stuff.

Sticky tire hater!! I agree with most everything you said, although I don't mind the tire choice since I tend to put sticky tires on pretty much all my bikes... Dunlop Q3+'s or Pirelli Diablo Rosso III's. But ya the new paint schemes are not as nice as the first gen paint, and even though the new front forks probably perform a bit better, they don't look as retro as the old model. I'm torn. If I can find a discounted first gen, I might pull the trigger. I was really hoping for Ohlins front and rear and maybe an IMU with cornering ABS, etc.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Cornering ABS would be awesome. If I'm not mistaken, the new Speed Triple is the first Triumph to get it. When that tech eventually makes its way to the Modern Classics range, I'm sure the Speed Twin and/or Thruxton will be the first to get it. They'll have to do it sooner or later now that the Ducati Scrambler has cornering ABS for under $10K.

You are so right, man. Very well said, thanks! Although, I guess the Euro5 changes are something Triumph had to address for 2021. The peak power boost of 3 PS is most likely a side effect of the modifications they had to make to meet Euro5 compliance. I'm planning on trading my MT09 RN43 for a modern classic roadster next year. And the BMW R nineT and the Triumph Speed Twin are those on top of the list. BMW's 1200 air/oil cooled boxer engine gives the R nineT the extra points to get to the top of my list. Having ridden a friend's Speed Twin for a bit, I kinda know how good the Speed Twin is. For me, an update I would have loved to see on the 2021 Speed Twin would be the cornering ABS. The rear shock is something I could upgrade myself. That said, if I'm getting brand new of either bikes next year, I'm probably going for the R nineT pure - not just because I'm in Germany. Since I can only have one bike at a time, I have to choose wisely.. Subscribing your channel ;)

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input! You are right about that cool factor of the R nineT, but having ridden both, it's not nearly as torquey as the Triumph. I too would love to see cornering ABS, although seeing as Triumph have only just added it to their lineup for the first time (on the new Speed Triple RS) I think it'll be a while before it makes its way down to the Bonneville range.

@r.heinrich3364

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm Yeah, the peak torque of the R nineT is higher at 116Nm, however available at a higher rpm (6000 rpm). Most of the Speed Tiwn's torque is already available at around 4000 rpm. We'll see. Who knows, I might still turn to the Speed Twin in the last minute :). Although, Brexit has ruined for many Triumph customers here. My Mechanic said, it's got harder to get hold of spare parts for Triumph bikes and prices went up, too.

Beautiful roads you ride on!!!! What part of the country?

I did a track day a few weeks ago on my 2020, Intermediate group no problems!!

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@mymotosai5036

3 жыл бұрын

Did you upgrade the suspension? I have a track day coming up and thinking about at least upgrading to Ohlins for the front forks because the front is so jittery and unstable at speed or over any bumps.

@ianfunnell8076

3 жыл бұрын

@@mymotosai5036 To be fair I did upgrade the rear to Maxtons but left the front alone, so long as you drop your tire pressures there’s lots of squishy grip! I had an absolute ball on the Speed twin, riding that wave of torque out of corners is so much fun. Have an awesome day!

Great video. Agree with all of it. Silly question, how did you get the B roll footage? Do you simply download the triumph b roll and edit into your youtube video? Thx

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Not silly at all! I used Y2Mate to download it and edit in the shots relevant to each thing I mentioned. I'm pretty sure what I'm doing is kosher under Fair Use, but hopefully someday Triumph will just be sending me press material lol

@MattieXMoto

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm yeh, they should be asking you to be an embassador. Under rated content. I am in the nyc area btw. I think i saw you used to be in bkln.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I visited there last fall and got a couple videos filmed. I could see myself relocating there at some point though

2021 for me is absolutey better than 2019 big develop

@num1sooner

3 жыл бұрын

I agree!

My verdict: I will do a test ride on the new modell when its available here in Germany around august and later deceide to go for the new one or pick up a used 2019/2020 maschine - both reasonable choices in my view.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the very well thought-out analysis!

Now way to change mine. Not anything shaking my heart. I already customized my bike and it will last 100 years. The two problems I had were solved. Brake squeal ( Triumph exchanged my discs under warranty ), and high heat from radiator's fan (I developed a deflector to deviate the hot hell air flow ). So, no way. I can easily ride any where. In city, in road, in short or long travel. Well, this is it.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Can you go into a little more detail about that heat deflector? Link to a photo maybe? This is by far the hottest bike I've ever ridden, so I'd be very interested in having something like that for myself

@MicheleSpiriticchio

3 жыл бұрын

So for the front brakes squealed sound Is It necessary change the discs? My front brakes squealed when i'm a very low speed

Heh, if you're using a bike to ride on public roads, you don't want expensive Ohlins. Most of them are sprung like a brick to haul ass around finely manicured European racetracks. I have a Thruxton, weigh a lot and thought the Thruxton R felt like it was sprung with bricks. Even my regular Thruxton was overly harsh. I ended up putting Wilbur's touring shocks on the back and putting a 5W oil in the forks. Works beautifully now and I can ride it as hard as I like at sub jail speeds and it behaves beautifully now. Slightly taut, but still all day comfy. Totally agree with the tires. But they're just adding things salesman can tell kids to get them to part with their money. Honestly, I'm not crazy about the Michelin's you're using either. A sport TOURING tire should have some rain grooves on the edges of the tires. When it rains in the mountains, I'm not going to stop leaning the bike around the corners. Running slicks on wet streets ain't my idea of a good time.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

You make a good point about the tires, not everybody wants to take it easy in the rain like me. Glad you got your suspension dialed in so nicely!

@saddle8bag

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm When it starts pouring rain running up a mountain and it's running down your neck and the temperature is dropping the wetter you get, you'll wanna start hauling the mail too! Checkout Dunlop Roadsmart III some time. Best value out there. Stick like glue wet or dry and you can get both, likely for less that one of the Michelins. They also last longer than any other sport radial I've run and I've been doing this over 40 yrs and I've bought many tires from all the mfgs. Think I gave $200 for my last set.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Y'know what, I think you've sold me! I like the Road 5 enough to get them again, but now I'm thinking that when it comes time for new shoes I'll give the Roadsmart III a try, just to see if I like them better. Thank you!

Triumph need to do an R version with Ohlins and a tune

You'll be better off with buying a 2019 Speed Twin, upgrade the suspension and get a better tune through TuneECU on it. You can even have the extra 500 rpm by unlocking it in the software of the 2019 version. The Euro 5 emissions will probably make the bike run worse in lower rpm.

I see now there is a difference of what I would like a loved company to do, to what would suits the market better. I have said it here a lot of times, that I was expecting, desiring and lusting for a Speed Twin R. So I felt really frustrated with the new speed twin. I was rooting for the golden inverted front forks and the piggy back rear shocks, just because it would make this a SPECTACULAR motorcycle to behold, comparable in quality/features with nineT (original black) and with thruxton R in performance. Now that I saw what they did I kind of agree with Triumph. Contrary to the niche "trhuxton" that is almost in race territory, low distance, hard and fast rides, this is a all rounder machine that has to cater to the volume side of sales. It is no secret that this is the most sold machine of all the retro themed motorcycles, and that is due to the relative "low" price, and all rounder character with beautiful styling. Moving this machine into thruxton R price territory, adding to it the Thruxton R suspension and other bits, it would transform it into a (more) niche machine. It really would be easy for Triumph to do it, as most parts are all "compatible", and taht is in part why we were expecting it.. but would it have made a (comercial) point? not really... and never forget... you can just do that transformation at home. I am doing all I can to get me a 2021 Speedtwin. But off course... If I can get me a 2019 second hand for a good price, I already know what bits and pieces I will change first.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

You make a good point. Triumph doesn't spec out bikes as a public service to us, they do it to make money. A Speed Twin R would take very little effort for them to build & sell, but that doesn't mean it'd net them a profit once you factor in that they also sell the Thruxton R.

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm maybe what I wanted to see is a speed twin TFC with all bells and whistles, and a special price tag. Just for triumph's bragging rights. 50 units.

I own the same exact 2019 as yours. I thought about a new one but I fully agree with you. Changes but not in all the right places. I'll upgrade mine or wait until '23 to see if the really release an "R" version with all the wanted improvements.

Point per point: 1) Tires: It completely dont get it why they put Metzeler Racetec RR on it? As you said, a switch down from "sports" (Rosso III, Metzler M9RR, etc.) to Sport-Touring (Michelin Road 5, Metzeler Roadtec SE 01, etc.) would be greta, but okay, even putting on again a "normal" sports tire - fine. But not, the went for a Hypersport-tires with tendency to RACE. Just ... why? The Racetec RR is for sure not cheap. Less then the fast wear out what bugs me is: The Racetec is super poor if it ever rains, but even worse: Its also worse then Sport and Sport-Tourer tires while day temperature is below 25 degree (or you need to very agressive push the tire to heat it up).Again: Why? Run it down in 3.000km/2000 miles - have poor experience and then take better SPEED TWIN matching tire? Stuipd from Triumph ...

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

GREAT point! I ride my Speed Twin in hot or cold weather, rain or shine. New buyers getting the Racetecs will have to stay home (or go extra slow) on many of the days that I can ride my bike normally.

@robstahl2531

2 жыл бұрын

..They probably got a deal from Metzeler......but they won't last long.....someMichelin Road pilot 5's.....that's what I'd do...

in 2019 I chose to buy the T100 black then the speed twin came out I wanted to buy it but My thought was it's a new motorbike we don't have enough data and I bought the t100 and there you are 2 years later good upgrade forks and brakes is a huge upgrade for me the colour no doubt the 2019 model is superb same t100 the made a good upgrade from 2019 model to 2021 model the only thing I don't like is the sound euro5 destroyed the sound very disappointed same the speed twin different sound

I'm looking to buy a speed twin, but I also will be buying a pre 2021 model. It just looks better, OK yes the power is up by 3hp, but there are 3 cats in the pipes now. Doesn't feel like much of an improvement, just compliance for sales in the European market.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

The cats in the pipes is nuts to me. We're just going to yank them out! I don't blame anyone for buying a leftover 2019/20, especially if it's cheaper than a 2021.

Depending how good a deal I could get on the old model would make the decision for me. Enough of a discount would pay for top notch suspension, some better looking cans (possibly from a thruxton or after market) and maybe a new paint job as I'm in the trade and have a mate that designed and paints British Superbikes for a local team.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point about discounted older Speed Twins. Based on how little was changed, one may not need to find that big of a discount on a leftover 2020 to justify buying it over a 2021.

@michaelmclarney1994

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm the new one definitely seems better but a couple of grand discount means you could make the old bike better than the new one, depending on what you require. For less than that you could get suspension built to suit the rider. It's not a sports bike and I feel the performance improvements won't mean much on the road. Loving your channel too, it's great to see the USA from a bikers perspective as I'm unlikely to get there and do it myself. Keep up the great work 😀👍

Will stick with my 2020 model. I’ve got a Road Pilot 5’s on plus Nitron R3’s at the back and Nitron TVT cartridge forks at the front. I don’t need any more power, it’s perfect as it is.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

That's a sweet setup!

I have a 2019 with free flow exhaust and x pipe. If I want better suspension I'll just hop on my Tiger Rally Pro or put Progressive Springs in the front of my speed and a bit better rear shocks on it for what the beat down in depreciation would be to trade for a 21.

@VanBlamm

2 жыл бұрын

Speed Twin + Tiger Rally Pro is a hell of a combo, well done

@markjacobs3956

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm perfect pair.

Not gonna trade mine as well. May I ask you what kind of jacket you are wearing? And thanks man, you were making my decision of buying a speed twin much easier.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

My jacket is a Rev'It Flatbush, circa 2016. Sadly discontinued.

@konstantin8038

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm I‘m wearing a Dainese Razon, not as beautiful but awsome quality. Thx for vids. Btw I was riding on Mallorca couple of weeks ago. Remembering you thinking about going there sometime - worth it

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you! It's definitely still on my travel wish-list

Not to mention around 15K OTD .

Thank you. On the fence to order a new model as I am not getting any deals on 2020/2021 left over. If there is not much price difference , would you go for new model or stick with old model, if you are in the market for a new speed twin?

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

That's actually a tough question, and will depend on how valuable each potential buyer thinks the improvements are. I'd say if the difference is less than $1,000 US, go with the 2021. If a 2020 is more than a grand cheaper though, get that and put the difference towards any mods you feel it actually needs.

@moekyawphoto

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm thank you. Really appreciate your review and input.

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

No problem, thanks for watching!

Well said brother. Clear as a bell... Missed opportunities suck; Unfulfilled potencial annoyes me, and always makes me wonder if there is a “secondary-agenda” behind these calculated risks If they bring out a higher specked and priced “R” version until XMAS, you’ll know what I mean.... Marketing A-B-C, not to the best interest of their customers.... Lets hope not; I still prefer a sad but honest goof-of, to a premeditated tantric sc**w-me 🙇🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Time will tell, time will tell 🙌🏼✊🏼✌🏼👍🏼🇵🇹

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

Hah, I like that attitude. You're right that an R would be a hell of a Christmas surprise!

I wonder if this is just another way to squeeze an extra bike out before an R appears. I That's what i am thinking.

2) Paint Sceme: Even if subjective, I heard from 75% commentators, that they liked the former paint scemes better, and I do agree. Doesnt triumph show + test new paint scemes to some demo-audience prior?

Love my 2019 S P TWIN 👌😎 the new don’t do much for me 🙁

Bloody, i fell for it...

I’m sticking to my 2019 model, I’ve put too many upgrades on it to justify upgrading. I would like to ask what are the bar end mirrors you have fitted?

@VanBlamm

3 жыл бұрын

CRG Hindsight Lanesplitter

@tedgerman511

3 жыл бұрын

@@VanBlamm Cheers 😊