‘The centrist Centre party.’ A true marvel of creativity

@Sam_Guevenne

10 ай бұрын

We have a Centrist Center party in Sweden too we also have a left party and a party called the liberals lol.

@Tingletonttu

10 ай бұрын

It used to be called Maalaisliitto ("League of Farmers") back in the day.

@osheridan

10 ай бұрын

Well at least they're clear, here in Australia our liberal party is called Labour and our conservative party is called The Liberal Party

@patrickuotinen

10 ай бұрын

@@osheridan In europe we would not call your Labour party liberal, but social democratic.

@NaSaSh1087

10 ай бұрын

​@@patrickuotinenbut unlike continental Europe, Anglo-Saxon countries have pretty capitalist centre left parties. Tony Blair is an example.

Government: lasts less than a month Italy: "first time?"

@ad_astra468

10 ай бұрын

Sinceramente non mi ricordo di un governo che è cascato in un solo mese.

@peterbayne7227

10 ай бұрын

Belgium: "You guys have a government?"

@riccardogemme

10 ай бұрын

Il record da quando l'Italia è una repubblica è 22 giorni. Se conti anche i governi in età monarchica, 12.

@HillaKarpalo

10 ай бұрын

Our hold my beer moment..

@simoneberetti923

10 ай бұрын

che poi hanno i nostri stessi problemi di ministri che fanno str*nzate e mozioni di sfiducia alla C.d.C

From my understanding of Finnish politics, the Swedish People’s Party / SFP will almost always enter into a coalition with any ruling government (2015 being an exception) to ensure that Swedish remains as an official language in Finland and ensure that Swedish-speaking Finnish people’s rights and interests are protected and maintained

@Remuf

10 ай бұрын

As a fin, i can say this is mostly true, the sfp wants to keep swedish mandatory to study in school while only 5% of finland's population speaks swedish as their first language

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

That's true. The problem is that the swedish speaking population is decreasing. It used to be about 10% of the population. Now it's about 5%.

@mateigheorghiu

10 ай бұрын

@@Remuf I'd add that since they get a constant of 10 mps in every election due to the strategic positioning of their electorate, they do not ever face any electoral pressure and therefore are able to be in power all the time, I don't think it's just about the Swedish language. I'm both Romanian and Finn, and in Romania there's a similar ethnic Hungarian party with no electoral pressure who joins every government.

@him_That_is_me

10 ай бұрын

They are actually just our trojan horse for when we want to return Finnland to Swedish ownership. Please don't make any comparison with Ukraine Russia, we aren't going to fail to take Helsinki in 3 days

@sentteri

10 ай бұрын

The only time they haven't been in the government in recent memory (2015-2019) their head of party quit immediately and gave a statement to the media along the lines of "F**k this, I was told I'd get to be a minister." So it seems to be ingrained to the party's self-image deeply. I'm naturally paraphrasing, but you could see that on the guy's face when he said it.

Any videos planned on the sudden collapse of the Dutch government yesterday?

@louisjefferies2733

10 ай бұрын

That was yesterday, remember they have to write a script, record the video and then edit it so it could take a few days

@Wolf-yr1qy

10 ай бұрын

Seems like every European government is collapsing or has already collapsed.

@Talisguy

10 ай бұрын

There are no more slow news days and they're not a 24 hour news channel, they can't cover everything as soon as it happens.

@wile123456

10 ай бұрын

So an average Dutch Thursday you mean?

@flukemmvii

10 ай бұрын

Might take a while, he does say at the end of each video that the TLDR team spends more and more time analysing data

Why are priests from Finland so good at Mortal Kombat? They're especially well-versed in Finnish hymns.

@pebblepod30

10 ай бұрын

OGM that is genuinely hilarious where di u hear that thank you!!🤣🤣🤣

Well, I don't know about Finland, but I know the Dutch government just did

@toyotaprius79

10 ай бұрын

If only the Irish government politics would, despite scandal after scandal after scandal after sandals 🩴

@zenxel

10 ай бұрын

What happened

@wkblauwster

10 ай бұрын

@@zenxel in the dutch goverment the leading parties could not come to a agreement on asylum and migration policy so the government fell yesterday with new elections later this year as result.

@Welgeldiguniekalias

10 ай бұрын

@@wkblauwster That is an obvious lie by Rutte. They had been negotiating for ages and the deal was practically done. Moreover, we are finally seeing an EU immigration policy take shape. This crisis was manufactured for political reasons. I hope there won't be a Rutte 5.

@zenxel

10 ай бұрын

@@wkblauwster They seriously collapsed over immigration, I thought there was a major catastrophe that the government failed to handle. Europe is weird.

"Government Collapse" sounds like a bad thing but is it really a bad thing if it's a bad government collapsing and if it results in a better government being elected? It would mean that things are working correctly.

@S3Cs4uN8

10 ай бұрын

The only cases where it's a bad thing is when it happens frequently.

@SEAZNDragon

10 ай бұрын

Thing is government collapse is not really associated with Finland.

@patterisepi

10 ай бұрын

In this case it would be bad, the last government tried its very best to drive Finland to bankrupcy. The antidemocratic part of the nation tries to overthrow the new cabinet by any excuse.

@mielivalta

10 ай бұрын

This was inevitable from the election results.

@hauskalainen

10 ай бұрын

Agreed...all this is proving is that Persut (aka the Finns Party) are not nice people and should not be in government. The Centre Party voters decided to punish them for being in government with Marin and Anderson and voted Persut. Former centre party voters are like the Brits who were angry with Cameron for his Austerity policies voting for Brexit just to punch him one on the nose. Now it is ten times worse. Be careful what you vote for. If you don't want closet Neo Nazis in government, don't vote for them.

As a Finnish national, though i would not go and bet my money on it, I would not be surprised if the government would ultimately collapse. The Swedish party certanly isn't all that fond of its coalition partners despite all the attempts at easing tensions.

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

At the least, I believe we can agree, that they're off to a very rocky start.

@mikaelantonkurki

10 ай бұрын

@@RabbitShirak Oh absolutely.

@williamsmeds1368

10 ай бұрын

We don't like Perussuomalaiset. That's all. It's already surprising that our party agreed to go in a coalition with them in the first place.

@snowtinttu3562

10 ай бұрын

I mean Persut have been the only party actually threaten to collapse the goverment, so i would bet its gonna be up to them if the goverment collapses most likely.

@heisenbachofficial9437

10 ай бұрын

Why join a coalition if you don't want to cooperate with your partners?

For anyone wondering why the centre party isn't in the new finnish government even though they would be an easy parter because they are very moderate. It is because the center party lost so hard in the election that they chose to voluntarily go in to the opposition because it is easier to gather popularity in the opposition.

@jhutt8002

10 ай бұрын

I voted them, but won't vote again. They basically said right from the get go, they'll stay out of government and won't even negotiate about it. I was simply... WTF? I voted them so they could push their policies forward, instead they stab the voters they still have in the back and walk away to play pointless image politics in order gain more votes next time. F.... them.

@Nekoksu

10 ай бұрын

No.... No... No... The reason was because the "CENTRE" has become a part of the far left and we finns are fucking had it with the far left bullshit. You can try to twist in it any way you want, but that is the truth. Sanna Marin had her controversies, yet no media has talked about her in a bad manner. That's fucking bullshit. Our earlier PM's have gotten yeeted out for lesser reasons but the people are all like "OH WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING OUR YOUNG FEMALE PRIME MINISTER". Fucking hypocrites.

@karigrandii

9 ай бұрын

And they don’t want to work with nazis

Just FYI: the graphic is wrong at 0:36 and 6:20. The bottom arrow is pointing to Riikka Purra, the head of the Finns (and the Deputy PM and Minister of Finance), not Mari Rantanen (Rantanen is in the back, third from the left).

@yarpen26

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, their very name states Too Long; Didn't Research.

Helpful tip: In Finnish, word stress is always (ALWAYS) on the first syllable.

Probably why here in Sweden the three governing parties didn’t want to govern with the Swedish democrats (the Finns party sister party) because of problems like these could potentially occur. Not saying they would, but you’d never know.

@wile123456

10 ай бұрын

Working together with extremists and fascists hurt everyone in society. They are pure evil and politically incompetent as well.

@gavasiarobinssson5108

10 ай бұрын

The fascist journalists are covering up anything the globalist parties do. Enjoying the latest bombings. Sweden rip.

@annikamyren3026

10 ай бұрын

​@@UnknownAbraham"no-go zons" ? Vilket jäkla påhitt 😂 Vi har däremot ett jävla problem med idiotgäng .....

@macuma5533

10 ай бұрын

@@UnknownAbraham You just pulled that out of your ass with such gusto

@slickrick2420

10 ай бұрын

​@@UnknownAbrahamno go zones are a myth but yea the rest can't be denied even tho it's exaggerated for clicks however, Finland has a higher murder rate per capita than Sweden... Thoughts on that?

As always, opposition is good at opposing when they carry no responsibilities but does not really know how to lead a government

@Tuukkohakee

10 ай бұрын

Kokoomus doesn’t know how to lead a goverment? Or you just don’t know Finnish politics. Most of the crisies have been started by the media and since then there has been quite an politically motivated race to find anything on the new goverment resulting to even false articles. The junnila case is justified, and the Finns are a different bunch, but the goverment itself doesn’t seem to that shaken, just the media and some of the public.

@The_Midnight_Bear

10 ай бұрын

​@@Tuukkohakeei think he's talking about the Perussuomalaiset

@Tuukkohakee

10 ай бұрын

@@The_Midnight_Bear The perussuomalaiset are thankfully not leading the goverment.

@akilemmetyinen4867

10 ай бұрын

​@@TuukkohakeeKokoomus is obviously lost on leadership and anyone can see and many have noted how Orpo is not in charge at all. Horrible leadership.

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@akilemmetyinen4867which is weird, since Kokoomus has a lot of experience in running a government.

I love the fact that my country's news is getting some attention and I appreciate the analysis, even though obviously roughly ten minutes isn't enough to fully cover anything it's a pretty comprehensive starting point for anyone who wants to do further digging. But, by God is it painful to listen to all the mispronouncing of names. Either way I'm glad the TLDR team does what it does to keep people better informed of the world around them.

@tonycook7679

10 ай бұрын

Finnish pronunciation is the invention of the devil. I think the idea of the Tower of Babel came after someone heard Finnish being spoken. It's unfair to expect anyone not born to speak Suomi to pronounce the names of its citizens. Mind you Hungarian and Polish are also incomprehensible.

@MrSamulai

10 ай бұрын

​@@tonycook7679 Our language is phonetic; you pronounce the words exactly as they are written. It's easier than 95% of all languages and the only reason it appears hard is that you expect it to work like the chaotic amalgamation we call English.

@RendallRen

10 ай бұрын

You have to give him credit for that pronunciation of Sauli Niinistö though. He obviously practiced and did quite well. 6:53

@daniellarson3068

10 ай бұрын

All of my ancestors come from Finland. I was taught to revere these old folks. I was taught that the people of the "old country" did things wisely. Our popular media says the Finnish people are the happiest in the world, they have a great education system and manage their economy well. They seem to have great social programs to help their citizens. It is a surprise to see that they have intolerant right wing politicians just like at home. However, I've never seen a KKK snowman before. People are people.

@Sahtoovi

10 ай бұрын

@@tonycook7679 finnish pronunciation is incredibly easy and you won't have to think about which exact pronunciation out of 25 different ones you should use for an a. there is one pronunciation for one letter and the cases where that is not the case are very rare.

Sanna Marin was the youngest but not by a big margin, in 90s we had prime minister Esko Aho who was 36 when elected.

For future videos, J in finnish is pronounced the same as Y in english. Yeah, I've seen people making bets on long this government will survive. Someone said it will collapse this year, but I think next year is more likely. All in all, I think that either the government collapses or the Finns party does.

@Anublet90

10 ай бұрын

"J in finnish is pronounced the same as Y in english." Eh? You're gonna have to be more specific than that I think, if I ask "why?", there's not a single sound in there that sounds like a Finnish 'j'.

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

@@Anublet90 J is same as Y in for example, the word young.

@Anublet90

10 ай бұрын

@@elfrjz What quirk?

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@elfrjzI don't know about other European languages, but in Finnish the letter Y makes a sound, that doesn't exist in the English language, similar to the German Ü. I think the English J has similarities with the French J, but I could be wrong. I think Swedish and German J's are similar to a Finnish J.

@prplt

10 ай бұрын

@@elfrjz most European languages pronounce J as Y, it's just English and Romance languages that don't

Small correction: Kokoomus could have formed coalition with SDP, Greens and Swedish People Party, but they chose the more right wing coalition since they wanted to make huge cuts from the wellfare and services and ditch the climate targets. SDP and Greens would not have gone along with that. So it was more like a "deal with the devil" to get their agenda implemented.

@tuketsi4073

10 ай бұрын

To be fair the greens might not have wanted to have another term in government as their popularity would take another hit

@KamiInValhalla

10 ай бұрын

A good example of being careful what you wish for

@parokki

10 ай бұрын

Honestly there were no good choices. The Greens had announced they're going into opposition due to their poor performance. SDP ran on an opposite platform to the NCP and a coalition between them would've been really hard. The current coalition is the NCP's best chance to get their economic reforms through, but it doesn't look like the Finns can pass for sensible adults long enough for any laws to get passed.

@patterisepi

10 ай бұрын

The financial situation is dire and getting worse, another term of SDP would have resulted in a non reversible financial situation.

@luuttaja

10 ай бұрын

''ditch the climate targets'' is a blatant lie, they're keeping on with the same plan that the previous gov. had.

Correction. At 6:20 that's not the interior minister Mari Rantanen, but instead Riikka Purra, finance minister and leader of the finns party.

Day before the release of this video, Halla-Aho announced he can be used as canditate for the presidental election.

Who could ever have imagined that having the Swedish People's Party and the Finns Party in the same government coalition could mean trouble? 😂

Who could have known. If you put a bunch of 4chan users together, it wont make a coherent party.

@wtyuuh

10 ай бұрын

Are you saying that every 5th voter is a typical 4chan user? That's alot of 4chan users. It's the second biggest party in Finland, almost the biggest, they have political objectives that the Finns are after but the other parties aren't.

@soulsborne7765

10 ай бұрын

​@@wtyuuhyes

@OskarVanBruce

10 ай бұрын

​@@wtyuuhThey may not be, but they certainly voted for a party full of 4chan conspiparanoics and bigots who appeal to their emotions instead of reason.

@picklechin2716

10 ай бұрын

@@wtyuuh I am saying the people in the party are 4chan users. And also the voter base is 50+ or 4chan users. Once you're retired, you shouldn't have the right to vote. None of the other parties are after the goals they are after, because the goals are stupid, useless and hurts the country.

@finnishyank7413

10 ай бұрын

@@wtyuuh I seriously doubt many Finns are after the extreme rhetoric the basic Finns stand for or they would have gotten a much higher share of the vote.

You should have added in that the new minister is a former National Coalition party member who was kicked out when he was accused of misbehaviour.

@johtajakansio

10 ай бұрын

Let's just say he has taste for under-aged girls. The party doesn't care because he wasn't convicted however. Shows the values of these concervatives.

@jwil4286

10 ай бұрын

@@johtajakansio”he wasn’t convicted” I thought he was innocent until proven guilty

@Pikkabuu

10 ай бұрын

@@johtajakansio Supposedly. He wasn't convicted which does clear him of the charges.

@johtajakansio

10 ай бұрын

@@jwil4286 Under age, but not statutory. Yeah it's "legal".

@boneleg6952

10 ай бұрын

​@@johtajakansiotyhmä liberaali paska sukupuolia on kaksi holtiton velan otto ei ole ratkaisu et ole mie sjos et äänestä oikeistoa

6:21 the arrow is pointing to Riikka Purra, Finns leader; I believe Mari is on the back row 3rd from the left

It's something you see across many western countries: the right wing can sell their politics quite convincingly which causes popularity and electoral gains, but when politics must become policy and when politicians must become administrators, the right wing often fall short. In government they regularly come across amateuristic, or improvised and it is often short-lived.

@maximusasauluk7359

10 ай бұрын

It's because most of the old farts that are probably already edging dementia and have no future keep voting on the same crazy shit. If there is a minimum age voting limit, there should also be a maximum age limit too. Why do old people that will be dead in like 5 years have a say in the future they don't have?

@Alex.The.Lionnnnn

10 ай бұрын

Donald Trump never came accross....actually never mind. 😂

@bloodwargaming3662

10 ай бұрын

Iam a leftist ik people are going to ignore and call my comment naturally biased but here is the reality except for everyone right wing economics idont think on the social side the right has any real policy it's just emotional appeal to the people and scare mongering . I mean yeah immigrants are a big problem but you trying to sell people that they are going to get replaced by muslims in 10 years lmao good luck with that

@fbajk

10 ай бұрын

Don't think this is a bad thing though @danimalplanet18! It shows the established parties that the only reason they are in power, is because of the voters, it shows how little control they truly have and in my opinion it gives them a well deserved reality check to get things back on track!

@haidouk872

10 ай бұрын

@@fbajk But it does waste time, time that we're already short of, with the accelerating climate warming :(

As a Slovak, I find it interesting that countries like Finland have a similar mess in politics as our country. Well, our people are similar in a way that not that many foreign immigrants want to go there, yet we are the most afraid of them

@karankapoor2701

10 ай бұрын

Just look at france

@samueltrusik3251

10 ай бұрын

eh, u nás niesú politici tak hrozne rasistický a extrémistický. To čo fašisti hovoria vo Fínsku je na úplne inej úrovni.

@WSithole1997

10 ай бұрын

​@@karankapoor2701 I think you're missing the point. For 1 France is France because of France. Finland aren't remotely close to the history of France. So their irrational fear of immigrants doesn't make sense when there are no immigrants trying to go there or even having a history linked to them. If Finland had strong links to Muslim countries it'd make sense but they don't.

@theonlylauri

10 ай бұрын

During the 2015 migrant crisis, Finland was 5th most popular destination per capita, overtaking even Germany (if only barely). For a long time few people wanted to come due to our location far from primary immigration routes, and most who came to Nordics preferred Sweden where they already had some relatives or at least an ethnic community. This led to some fairly lax asylum policies and a generous refugee quota, which was perfectly fine back then, but it's starting to become problematic. Gang crime, honor violence and other issues all too familiar from various European countries are also slowly growing. It's not a major problem, but you'll need ideological blinders to see it as a non-issue that can't get worse.

@tnickknight

10 ай бұрын

Slovak has taken action to make sure they don't become a dumping ground for the countries that welcomed this problem

In the whole Europe, the asylum issue needs to be resolved. Otherwise more and more far right mindset will emerge. If the politicians from traditional left and right tighten the border control, reevaluate asylum policies (not biting more than you can eat like Sweden), and integrate the already present migrants first then the crisis could be averted. The countries not doing anything when their citizens are illegally crossing borders should be sanctioned or warned of sanctions.

@jhutt8002

10 ай бұрын

Very smart words.

@Sam_Guevenne

10 ай бұрын

But we need more thats the problem we have a very old population and a pretty low birthrate.

@jhutt8002

10 ай бұрын

@@Sam_Guevenne Better to live in declining economy than declining culture. And I definitely don't mean immigrants culture is in anyway worse necessarily, nor that they necessarily have a negative effect on our culture. It's simply that everything affects everything else, so larger cultural diversity leads to dilution of cultures affected. Globalism in many ways is the death of diversity, hence we need more protective and thoughtful immigration and integration. I don't see it wrong to say I want to protect the cultural sphere I was born and raised into. Everyone should the same in my opinion, as well as respect others (barring the obviously immoral and unethical aspects).

@SapeHallward

10 ай бұрын

They like the cheap labour so that won't happen.

@hello-rq8kf

10 ай бұрын

@@Sam_Guevenneyou need that population to keep housing expensive, wages low, and pensions paying so that the boomer electorate can fuck over your future while they take their money to the grave

Marin replaced Rinne in late 2019, not 2017

A crisis in Finland?! Thats something you don’t hear everyday

@Merdalos

10 ай бұрын

We have a new crisis every week caused by the media, we have to get used to it. Cant even hold old values anymore.

@Gti78007

10 ай бұрын

No crisis. Only left wing and press has some antipathy, probably because left has been controlling news agenda. Left wing cry is just hilarious 😂 and it is a prove that political movement is moving correct way! More social benefit cuts is needed! It is not a government job to take care of adult people… There are no Nazis even left that has announced (some stupidity maybe), only realist people are trying to fix that disaster economy.

@pekkanumminen81

10 ай бұрын

Crisis is overstatement. We will manage just fine.

@nietzscheankant6984

10 ай бұрын

@@pekkanumminen81 And you're understating the situation. The government might limp on for a while, but there is most certainly a good chance this government will crash and fall apart before the next elections.

@pahis1248

10 ай бұрын

indeed this is big crisis and so stupid and shameful. That we ever let this happen. imho.

1:16 you messed up logos of centrists and greens. I assume that I know how that happened, there is a bit of a mess with colours of parties. But this is still a mistake

6:21 thats not Mari Rantanen, thats Riikka Purra. Rantanen is in the back row on the left

Small clarification from a Finn: First there was Junnilas far right rhetoric stuff, the vote of no confidence was called because of it. In the vote, the right wing "Christians party" voted for him, and he survived it barely. The day after, his abortion comments came under scrutiny, the "Christians" turned on him (they don't mind working with a Nazi, but being pro abortion is a step too far), and that's when he had to resign.

@patrickuotinen

10 ай бұрын

At the same time it emerged, that he had "improved" his credentials, claiming that he had done studies and owned a startup in Poland, both of which claims seemed to be untrue. This of course raised the question what else he has lied?

@sanher20

10 ай бұрын

They fought a war alongside the Nazis. What else would you expect from them? I've never been so disappointed at something in a long time. I'm a student of history and I've been living in Finland for 4 years but I never thought Finns liked Nazis so much. It looks like they didn't ally themselves to the Nazis only because they were the only ally available

Ben's pronunciation of Finnish names is the best thing

As a finn i find the "left-right" spectrum a bit shitty at describing the politics of each party, or atleast how its done in this video. Ill try my best to explain the major parties: The NCP (kokoomus) is a neoliberal party. Economically way more right wing than the Finns party, which is still far right but more concerned with identity politics and immigration while still trying to seem like a party for the workers. NCP wants to privatise industries and give more handouts to business owners, the Finns want gas to be cheap and the cashiers at the gas station to be white. Theyre excellent at quoting ecofascists of the turn of the 19th century without knowing how to read. The centre party who try to preach moderation and also the interests of those living in the country side. Very boring rhetoric so they got absolutely destroyed by the Finns party, with many voters switching over. Theyre known for slithering their way into government coallitions and blocking every change because its too radical, unless it fucks over the poors only a little. The green party is often seen as left, but economically theyre very split, and surprisingly right wing aswell. They want a green transition that still keeps the profits high, which is highly unlikely. Chronically urban. The socdems are your basic lukewarm european centre left labour party that wants higher taxes and more public services. They lie a lot and do just enough to piss off the right wing but are also known to hate strikers which pisses off the left. Then there's the left alliance, who are demsocs and left socdems who are scared of socialism despite marketing almost entirely to socialist voters. They also suck at this, being somehow allergic to any vaguely populist messaging so instead of most of the workers, they end up attracting mainly urban students by citing data and graphs. Still they have connections to the unions. The swedish people's party who are basically a lighter version of the NCP who also want to keep swedish mandatory in schools. The christian democrats who are very conservative but not as right wing economically as the NCP. Deathly afraid of any gay or trans people. Then there are minor parties, like the fascists, the crystal people, animal rights party, right wing conspiracy theory party, the feminist party, some registered but mainly unregistered communist parties of different flavours, the pirate party, the liberal party (libertarians for the americans still reading) and so on

@nietzscheankant6984

10 ай бұрын

"The socdems are your basic lukewarm european centre left labour party that wants higher taxes and more public services. They lie a lot and do just enough to piss off the right wing but are also known to hate strikers which pisses off the left." Rofl, this is just about the most biased, truth-twisting bullshit you could've made up, trusting foreigners not to know better. (For what it matters, I'm not a supporter of SD, but out of all the major parties [atm. NCP, SD, and the ethnonationalist morons of the "Finns" party], SDs are easily the most honest and responsible ones, they actually push for progressive change in society (stuff like marriage equality and improving trans rights etc.), and they definitely defend the unions and workers' rights (their opponents are always accusing them of being the political arm of the workers' unions, which makes your lies about them being against workers' rights absolutely absurd). But sure, trying to ensure adequate funding for health services etc. is just them "wanting higher taxes" for those evil "public services".

@captainvanisher988

10 ай бұрын

using terms as "ecofascists" and "deathly afraid of gays and trans" gave away exactly what you vote for. I'd say left alliance or green party.

@tonttu7979

10 ай бұрын

​@@captainvanisher988never claimed to be impartial. Id never vote for the greens theyre too economically liberal for me, its usually the left as a compromise but theyre a bit too soft for my taste. Id have an easier time in the voting box if we actually won the civil war but hey, atleast its not an overly biased description of the parties when i hate all of them to some degree. (Also the rethoric of many finns party members is objectively very similar to self proclaimed ecofascists. White replacement and all that)

@captainvanisher988

10 ай бұрын

@@tonttu7979 There's no such thing as "ecofascists". It's a term climate alarmists use for anyone who disagrees with the diagnosis of humans being the driving factor to climate change (which if you look at any actual science about is 100% scientifically sound). But I am glad I was about right in my own diagnosis lol.

@tonttu7979

10 ай бұрын

@@captainvanisher988 there is a thing called ecofascism, because people call themselves ecofascists and write manifestos about it. It centers around the belief that the main struggles of climate change are overpopulation and refugees. It has roots in the early "enviromentalism" of late 1800s and early 1900s America that ended up inspiring Hitler

That woman pointed in the picture is not Mari Rantanen. Mari Rantanen is the short blonde in the back. That one is Riikka Purra, finance minister. But yes, her hate writings have also been recovered since then. So we are at 4/8 ministers and 1/1 speaker of the parlament.

As Finn, it has some how interesting see and listen these Finland politics videos and find some detail mistakes etc.

@Merdalos

10 ай бұрын

It is understandable since it is hard to get different sources in english or the translating can be bit problematic sometimes, so there is mistakes.

All of the parties on the current government are right-wing. The swedish party might be the most left-leaning party of those parties in power in terms of social ideals, but they're still economically on the right. That's why they were chosen for the coalition in the first place

@mustanaamiotto3812

9 ай бұрын

Swedes party would agree with SKP, if they guaranteed special rights for swedish speakers.

Finn here! Pretty much summed it up. NCP's (the largest party led by prime minister Petteri Orpo) only goal for the government was to cut welfare. They were ready to co-operate with anyone. They had two choices, a Centrist coalition with SDP, Greens and the Swedes, or a right-wing coalition with the Finns and the Christian Democrats. The Centre Party, which got humiliated in the election refused to partake in any governments. SDP was ready to work with the NCP but was not willing to cut as much as the NCP wanted. Finns Party was ready to do all the cuts Orpo wanted, with their only wants being that immigration is restricted and that climate change goals are abandoned. Orpo decided to form a coalition with the Finns, alongside the Christian Democrats. Because the Centre Party refused to come along, they had to convince the Swedes to join them. This was hard because the Swedish Party and the Finns Party are radically different, with Swedes wanting to uphold the status of the Swedish language and the Finns Party wanting to abolish it. On top of that many Finns Party MP's had made derogatory comments about the other party and it's members, especially towards Eva Biaudet. She was the only Swedish MP to oppose the government, however their leader Anna-Maja Henriksson is right of her party and dragged the party into government. Not only did the government take a record time in forming the government (last time it was this long was decades ago), it seems to be setting a record for the fastest time for a government collapse. The Finns Party got 7 of the 19 ministers in the coalition, and they named white supremacists and neo-fascists for the job, as well as the speaker of parliament. Junnila stepped down, and the Finns replaced him with Wille Rydman, a former NCP mp who got kicked out of the party for sexually harassing under-aged girls. Meanwhile the leader of the Christian Democrats and minister Sari Essayah publicly stated that government should not partake in Pride "ideology". Most Finns are absolutely embarassed by this "government" and it is very likely to collapse. It is filled to the brim with fascists, racists, rapists, anti-abortionists, homophobes, evolution deniers, criminals... Not only that, the government also wants to remove support for poor people, students, children, the unemployed, and doesn't believe in climate change.

@user-xl1pb2xc7r

10 ай бұрын

Bruh then how did they got that many seats

@Merdalos

10 ай бұрын

Source: Hesari ja SDP:n puolueohjelma

@septentrionalisimperator8799

10 ай бұрын

@@user-xl1pb2xc7r Because this government is still supported

@Decus86

10 ай бұрын

​​​@@user-xl1pb2xc7rcause voters are dumb. NCP for example gets votes from poor people who are convinced that voting for NCP makes them wealthy. People voting against their own interests is nothing new. And of course people's political memory is short. People forget that increased national debt was caused by covid and the invasion of Ukraine. Right in fact supported all measures that the SDP government took to deal with the both crisis during their term. But at elections no one remembers that so the right just campaigned on increased national debt. Another thing to mention is that NCP has been in almost all governments during the past few decades. Including purely right wing ones. And yet somehow the debt didn't go down.

@m.s.8927

10 ай бұрын

Oh yes, all the badges people like you give to other people because they do not like their opinion. Please increase it so it drives even more people towards us.

As someone who knows nothing about Finnish politics, I was not expecting this to go so hard

@Diego-de6dq

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, politics here is starting to look like US politics..

@stevenhenry5267

10 ай бұрын

You can blame the Alt Right.

@inso80

10 ай бұрын

As someone who has been watching it for decades, it is going pretty much as expected. Nothing really dramatic or new here.

@JamesSmith-np1hs

10 ай бұрын

​@@stevenhenry5267You can blame corperate and homogenous media for glossing over information to fit an agenda leading people to pick up on blind spots in coverage allowing people to mistrust institutions and build a counter culture. If the media that was spoon fed to us was honest about things like the risks of immigration and the government had effective programs and actually did the most popular changes people want to see like prescription drug reform then you wouldn't have that growing mistrust. Reality is that people are being squeezed by greedy elites and they are rightfully scared of climate change, war, resource scarcity, ai. With just the right nudge by elites, us plebians are kept fighting each other.

@louschwick7301

10 ай бұрын

What's up with the uptick in politicians who have nothing to offer besides being jerks? No good policy, no smart diplomacy, no sound economics. Just pure dickery

3:42 Look, I hate the far right but the guy is not wrong here.

@B1gLupu

10 ай бұрын

And also think that it was taken out of context for max impact. Halla-Aho is a pretty.. um.. harsh person, but the guy is clearly very smart.

@osheridan

10 ай бұрын

No? Very strict islamic rules get creepy fast but calling someone a p*dophile because they're different to you... hmm, sounds familiar

Why Is Finland So Much in Dept ? High Taxes? How Many is FOREIGNERS? LIVING ON KELA? How Much Is Daily LIVING Costs!?

@kiq654

10 ай бұрын

Finland has cupercells and nokia to pay for kela. Now we dont have economic giants pushing euros into finland. We are overspending like there is no day on saturday and hoping for next KONE. Might not happend as racists are intellectually inferior in international relationships with customers and barely can scrap culture of their own and why they might be seen inferior by equal morons on negotiation tables. Not all fins are degenerates btw. But way too many compared to few years ago.

@diamondsarenotforever8542

10 ай бұрын

Watch the statistics in the video "Most debt countries.". Finland is not even mentioned.

It's just a twitter-war. Calm down.

At 0:35 and 6:19 the lower arrow pointed at Riikka Purra, the financial minister and leader of the Finns Party, not at Mari Rantanen, the interior minister. Just a small correction.

Reactionaries can't goveren. It NEVER goes well. How many times do we have to keep learning this lesson.

@notastone4832

10 ай бұрын

LOL.. they sure govern better than liberals

@pekkanumminen81

10 ай бұрын

Maybe, but we don´t have reactionary parties in Finland, so I don´t care.

@xo-1320

10 ай бұрын

That literally doesn't really hold up when nations like Japan and Singapore have been lead by right-wing governments for decades. This is more a sign of the issue with coalition governments being made up of parties with Divergent interests.

@einosalama

10 ай бұрын

​@@xo-1320are you high, or just ignorant? Japan is DYING, their population is crashing, their harsh immigration law is only making it worse. Japanese people have become miserable due to the work culture and the birthrate + happiness is suffering because of it. Japan is the exact proof of what unmeasured reactionary thought can do to a country

@douglasmacarthur702

10 ай бұрын

Italy and Greece have never been more functional than they are right now.

The KKK snowman was funny comoon.

@B1gLupu

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, thought so too. Should make one this year :)

@avinashreji60

10 ай бұрын

@@B1gLupukys

@B1gLupu

10 ай бұрын

@@avinashreji60 Oh look, the first snowflake is already here!

@avinashreji60

10 ай бұрын

@@B1gLupu says the one who “jokes” about terrorist groups

@B1gLupu

10 ай бұрын

@@avinashreji60 Yes, you are supposed to joke about every group. Nobody is beyond making fun off. A KKK snowman makes fun off people who get upset about KKK snowmen. It's making fun of people who are humor illiterate.

Finland mentioned!

it seems like a plurality of finns are against fiscal austerity. i wonder if that alone is cause for concern about the coalition's stability

At 6:21 the arrow is not pointing towards Mari Rantanen... That's Riikka Purra.

A crazy update on what happened pretty much when this video was uploaded: Edit: Adding an even crazier 2nd update below. I'm embarrassed to be Finnish for the first time ever. Gladly 80% of the population voted for other parties. This is awful. ------ 1st update ----- The "Finn's Party" designated Wille Rydman as the replacement for the resigned minister. Who is Wille Rydman? The police interviewed 9 girls/women about Rydman's conduct. No criminality could be proven, but he was exposed as a groomer of teenagers. Criminal chargers were dropped as the rape accusations could not be proven and the age of consent is 16. But it was proven and partially admitted that he was in the habit of "hanging around" with 16-year-olds and would wait for 14-15-year-olds to turn 16 and that he used his political status to manipulate teenagers. This isn't criminal, but it is clear that he is morally extremely flawed and should not be a minister. Rydman was formerly in the Coalition party, but he was "forced to resign" a year ago when the scandal came to light. The Finn's Party took him in. A lot of his targets were young girls active in the Coalition party. The leader of the Finn's Party Riikka Purra did this as a fuck you to Petteri Orpo. She didn't even disclose it to him before making the decission even though the previous day they had agreed on more transparency. It appears that they want to have the government fail so they can avoid getting blamed for making unavoidable budget cuts. The Finn's Party runs into the inavoidable problem that populists have: When you lie to your voters, everything goes to shit the second you are the one responsible for the changes. ------ 2nd update ------ The leader of the Finn's Party, Riikka Purra, has apparently posted some really racist and awful stuff on the internet in 2008 under her first name. She explained parts of her life in a way that she could be connected to the nickname conclusively. She for example talked about fantasising shooting foreigners etc. Just when we think it's over it keeps getting worse every time. .

6:20 Rantanen is actually in top row 3rd from left. You pointed arrow at Purra.

Small correction, you were pointing at Riikka Purra and not Mari Rantanen.

Why does it seem like they are shocked that the trash party is trash?

Isn't this a bit like entering into a coalition with the Clown Party, and then acting shocked when it turns out that some of them have red noses and big shoes?

@SirCutRy

10 ай бұрын

Exactly so. Every party within the government has lost credibility. The Swedes party gained some back by voting against the confidence for Junnila.

"The formation lasted 74 days" Netherlands and Belgium: "Rookie numbers"

That intro just went 0-100 real fast holy crap.

Great video!

Surprise, you make a pact with the devil and you wonder why he is doing evil.

@karankapoor2701

10 ай бұрын

Kinda like German left and greens collation

@louisjefferies2733

10 ай бұрын

​@karankapoor2701 do you mean about the FDP being the devil

@JustInTimeWorlds

10 ай бұрын

Remember when the scandals were Sanna partying? Good times....

@karankapoor2701

10 ай бұрын

@@louisjefferies2733 I mean greens being the party of 🤡

@toyotaprius79

10 ай бұрын

What did the devil do? All these moral panic far right parties decry everything and anything as Satanist

Oh no, they might beat our 44 day record!

Am I the only one that's finds it wierd that a party called the Swedish peoples party gets into government in Finland?

In the picture it was incorrectly pointing to Riikka Purra in stead of Mari Rantanen.

Could you compare the rightwing and left wing in Finland vs the right and keft in the US.

@edonveil9887

10 ай бұрын

No.

@yuki-sakurakawa

10 ай бұрын

When did the Americans have a viable left wing party? The democrats (outside of bernie and a few others) would be called Conservatives in the rest of the world.

There’s always some sort of genocidal or violent rhetoric with these people

6:19 that is not Mari Rantanen. She is at the back next to Junnila. At the Front is current head of the Finns Party Riikka Purra.

Why is there a Swedish party in Finland ???? Is like having a Blanket party during a Christmas party.

@jockumt7063

10 ай бұрын

Roughly 5% of the population is Swedish-speaking, as Finland used to be a part of Sweden

@salted6422

10 ай бұрын

They're wealthy and can afford participating in political games.

The great replacement is not a theory it happens right now when you look at the european demographic. If you like it or not its just the current situation of the low birth rates in Europe.

@firebird4909

10 ай бұрын

Yes, if current trends continue, by the year 2500 and yes that is five hundred years in the future, then the cumulative amount of other people groups will be more than native white people in Europe. My question is, who cares? That is 500 years.

@death4metal201

10 ай бұрын

That's demographic change. The great replacement theory is that jews are intentionally replacing whites

@leviathan4579

10 ай бұрын

@@death4metal201 No the great replacement has nothing to do with jews XD. The number of jews in Europe goes also down because of the antisemitism and hate from muslims against jews, many jews flee to Israel or America. In big western citys european children are already a minority, when you look at Paris or London. When you take the metro at night you are a small minority when you are white, that doesnt feel right and it doesnt feel like your homeland. Thats realy sad and it happend in a very short time and with the population its also the culture that changes drastically.

Great Replacement "Theory"

I think you need to speak about the Netherlands as well since their PM has just stepped down.

Europeans aren't ready for true nordic humor

@pahis1248

10 ай бұрын

there is no humor here in Finland in this case. Horrible situation.

The new goverment will follow the finnish climate law that dictates the climate goals of Finland. So i think saying that the new goverment is relaxing enviroment targets is missleading.

@Tingletonttu

10 ай бұрын

We'll see but the government program alone won't do enough for climate policies. There will be huge turmoils ahead.

@gavasiarobinssson5108

10 ай бұрын

tldr is globalist propaganda

Dang, the things in the beginning of the video were supposed to be bad things? They're based af

the forthcoming Finnish presidential election will be interesting

Just a tiny correction but at 6.21 in the video, y'all identified the wrong person as Mari Rantanen. Y'all pointed to Finns Party leader Riikka Parra while the true Mari Rantanen stands towards the back of the photograph :)

Finn here. It would be more accurate if you would refer to the True Finns party as populists. Talking about them as the right-wing party is not incorrect in itself, but this is a coalition between four right wing parties which can make this a little bit confusing. They are all of the on the right (although some more than others) but the True Finns party is the only one who is populist in the traditional sense how the word is normally used. Fun fact, did you know that Jussi Halla.-Aho's predecessor as the chairman of the True Finns Party, Timo Soini, was a Master of Political Science and that he wrote his master's thesis about populism in 1988 :D

@kingace6186

10 ай бұрын

"wrote his master's thesis on populism" 💀Damn he's been waiting for this moment for 35 years.

@Gekkibi

10 ай бұрын

​@abitmorerational Is everything on the right side of Stalin far-right..? PS is located pretty center on the left-right axis on the political compass. On the liberal-conservative axis they're on par with KD. But sure, ya, it's so much easier (and intellectually dishonest) to just call them far-right...

@miqueldiaz3042

10 ай бұрын

Well, the party’s name reflects its populism. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Perussuomalaiset can better be translated as base/basic Finns, and they tend to do better in areas with lower education/ income and, oddly enough, less immigration (here in Helsinki, where around 10% of the population don’t speak Finnish or Swedish as their mother tongue, they weren’t even top 3), something in line with populist parties in Europe. They are populist, in the same far-right type as AfD in Germany or Vox in Spain, and they are racist AF. They offer simple solutions to complex problems, and they actually flip flop when they say they need carers from abroad (Purra mentioned during the campaign specifically Southern Europe, famous for its linguistic abilities), yet they want to make immigrants lives as miserable as possible (see Government Programme, 206 et ss.). They are a far-right, xenophobic populist party. PS: no comments about the new Minister, Rydman, a pearl himself?

@littleponygirl666

10 ай бұрын

@@abitmorerational And I'd call that a childs take on politics. "Everyone whose politics I don't like is literally racist fascist nazi hitler".

@soulsborne7765

10 ай бұрын

​@@Gekkibithe party with neo-nazis who propagate the great replacement is clearly far-right

The "Finns" party in Finnish is called "perussuomalaiset". A more accurate translation would be the "real Finns" party or "core Finns" party or their original English name "True Finns".

@johtajakansio

10 ай бұрын

Calling them The Finns hijacks the identity of all Finns.

@mini_bunney

10 ай бұрын

I still like calling them Basic Finns lmao

@jaakkomantyjarvi7515

10 ай бұрын

Excellent point, except it's not a translation: "Finns Party" is the party's official name in English, like it or not, so what can one do?

@johtajakansio

10 ай бұрын

@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Except they don't have an official English name, only a preferred one

@mendamend

10 ай бұрын

@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 it's a strange situation as their official party name in Swedish, Finland's other official national language, is "Sannfinländarna", and that translated into English is unequivocally translated as "True Finns" or "True Finlanders".

Just a slight nitpick: 7:13 is not 49 %

I'm more concerned our media than right wing parties. They are now leading, not our politicians. Ofcourse there has been stupid opinions and old writings, but nothing that bad, you have to make big scandal about it.

When I saw goverment collapse, I would've thought it would have been about the dutch on that just fell yesterday, need to take more time reading I guess 🤣

Finland looks in better condition then most European countries which are dealing with energy crisis nd 3rd world immigrants like france nd sweden

@pekkanumminen81

10 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree. Country can even default on debt but still get back up later. With huge influx of 3rd world immigrants country is permanently lost. I´d rather live in poorer and more safe Finland that richer and more "exciting" Sweden.

@yuki-sakurakawa

10 ай бұрын

Finnish is harder to learn though. Swedish grammar is much easier: I be, you be, we be (är) 😮

As a Finn it disgusts me that their English name is "Finn's party". It's not in Finnish. The rough translation is "The Average/Basic Finns".

@pahis1248

10 ай бұрын

or earlier "true Finns " :( in English

5:54 wait so you genuinely had to find 10YEAR OLD post just so they would look bad?

The Swedish Peoples Party. “Coming over here and taking all our votes”

the replacement is an observable fact, not a theory.

@wtyuuh

10 ай бұрын

So is the trans ideology, but if you say it isn't you piss off alot of leftists and they attack you.

What is "disturbing religious worship" conviction? Did he sacrificed living beings to satan after a long time spent with black metal albums or what? xD

Oh no not Finland Someone tell Norway heard they were close

I really don't like to complain and i very much understand that Finnish is an incredibly difficult language for English speakers to pronounce, but i would hope that your team would at least make the effort to check on google translate how these names should be pronounced. Well at least you're not as bad as the French news organization that called the PS head of party Rick Purra, instead of Riikka Purra.

Great Replacement "Theory" 🙄😒

If by "smooth sailing" he means compared to the past 2+ months, that's a pretty low bar.

I knew that they would fuck up something

As a Finnish person, I certainly hope this government fails or at the very least becomes impotent. The plans they have are horrendous to think about, and the values their leaders hold are, well, not pleasant. And that's without even considering the massive middle fingers they plan to give to average workers. We already have some major issues with brain drain, making peoples' lives worse is only going to intensify that.

@jakalordarkblood4331

10 ай бұрын

So this, I can't believe people keep voting for them

@danieltissari4230

10 ай бұрын

@@jakalordarkblood4331 probably because the other option is debt and economic failure

@jakalordarkblood4331

10 ай бұрын

@@danieltissari4230 Lmao, because conservatives have done so well historically. Oh wait, they're the reason the economy is fucked right now.

@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031

10 ай бұрын

I'm not European and I'm glad that there are responsible citizens in Scandinavia who don't want to see their countries taken over by neo-Nazis. A few years ago people looked to Scandinavia as a role model, but everything seems to be collapsing into fanatical populists and followers of Varg Virkness.

@DruidEnjoyer

10 ай бұрын

Increasing taxes for the higher income bracket further like the opposition wants for sure doesn't solve the brain drain issue. Finland already is one of the least attractive places for highly skilled workers to move into in Europe.

Yeah this government is doomed for several reasons.

@pahis1248

10 ай бұрын

and good reasons too. Far Righ is not ok anywhere in the world.

yeah 6:22 "mari rantanen" is riikka purra.

6:21 Arrow not pointing at Mari Rantanen

lol, "white Christmas" wth...

As a finn i can say that Finland policy has going fucked up in couple of weeks. And true finns party and some national coalition party members are attacking on against the free press.

@pebblepod30

10 ай бұрын

Why would they do that when they would benefit the most from that? Or do you mean something else, like concerning corporate owned press for example?

@bloodwargaming3662

10 ай бұрын

Electing far right people and seeing basic human rights getting snatched away. How suprising 🙀

@RabbitShirak

10 ай бұрын

@@pebblepod30Finns party complains that certain journalists have brought up neonatsi-connections, that some (not all) party members have.

@wwanimator

10 ай бұрын

@@pebblepod30how do they benefit from free press, when it gets them into so much controversy by showing what they are doing? All alt righters want to censor the press because they know they won’t survive in politics if all the stupid, embarrassing and disgusting things they do make it into the news

@juhomattimannisto6575

10 ай бұрын

All this talk about 'attack on the free press', 'far right' and 'human rights' are just standard propaganda talking points against populist right parties.

BTW, in Finnish words, including names, the stress is always on the first syllable.

Sounds like "cordon sanitaire" are in place for a reason in the first place

You have done your homework! This is spot on how it is. I don't think it is easy to figure out a foreing countrys party's and their history.

I think it's pertinent to add that there's at least one more scandal that wasn't mentioned in this video. The person chosen to replace Vilhelm Junnila as the economy minister is another MP named Wille Rydman. He used to be in the National Coalition Party but left due to pressure after he had been accused of grooming or harassing some underage girls/women. He later joined the (True) Finns Party. After he was named as Junnila's successor an ex-girlfriend of his who apparently has some kind of grudge released some his private messages where he's saying things that can easily prove controversial (such as "Us Nazis don't really these kinds of Jew things.").

@jkausti6737

10 ай бұрын

Might be honest to include the fact that the accusations were looked into by the police and no evidence to support them was not found. Thus he wasn't charged with anything though things he was accused of doing would constitue a crime if true. He joined the True Finns only after it was clear that the accusation did their job and he was deemed a persona non grata in his previous Coalition partry.

@seneca983

10 ай бұрын

@@jkausti6737 My main point was the incriminating messages. I mainly mentioned the earlier accusations for the sake of completeness because it might still contribute to controversy in the eyes of some people.

@jhutt8002

10 ай бұрын

​@@seneca983Anyone can accuse anyone about anything. Proven false it shouldn't be an issue, but when it is brought up constantly, it's accused who becomes the real victim.

@seneca983

10 ай бұрын

@@jhutt8002 My main was the messages that the ex-girlfriend made public. I still wanted to mention the earlier accusations because they're something that can also add to the controversy in the eyes of some (whether they should or not).

@jhutt8002

10 ай бұрын

@@seneca983 Ainfe you bring it up: Doesn't that imply that in your eyes it should?

Tldr needs to talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants trees

This video was already outdated by the time of release considering they didn't mention the Rydman situation.

Oh no, it turned out the extreme right party supports some pretty extreme ideas. Who could have guessed?

@artoriastheabysswalker

10 ай бұрын

Additionally: Oh no, integrating the far right party into a larger conservative government to control them also didn't work! It's not as if we had historical precedents for this not working (cough Germany 1933 cough). On an even more serious note though. This is the exact slippery slope that leads to fascism. Other countries in Europe already fell to fascism again, see Italy (yes the Frateli d'Italia are fascist, they are a continuation of Mussolinis PNF/PFF through the MSI and major figures have made clear fascist remarks)

@MRtapio5

10 ай бұрын

"extreme" 🙄

@artoriastheabysswalker

10 ай бұрын

@@MRtapio5 How are advocating rape of your political opponents, population control just for those they deem lesser (i.e. subhuman) and straight up conspiracy theories not extreme?

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.

10 ай бұрын

_"the ex treme rig ht par ty "_ There is no such thing in Finla nd. Anarcho-Capital ism is not a thing here unfortunately.

@cdcdrr

10 ай бұрын

​@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. It's racist nationalism that's the extreme right, not AnCaps. They are far more devoted to right wing conservative and authoritarian ideology than anarchists could ever be.