When Mike said "Would Hitler even want to be in heaven", that reminded me of the Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis. If unbelievers find holiness to be repulsive, boring, and foolish, then heaven wouldn't be enjoyable to them at all, now would it?

@SuperSaiyanKrillin

Жыл бұрын

The problem comes from the fact that once Hitler or the unrepentant sinner is in hell - they are left incapable of conversion or restoration. If they are so repulsed by holiness that they prefer eternal torture wouldn't you agree that this individual is literally insane and in more need of divine help rather then being abandoned and locked to his own emotions with any capability of changing his mind ?

@karenramnath9993

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperSaiyanKrillin I don’t think it’s insanity...it may be where free will comes in. God offers divine help/intervention while we are here on earth, and some people choose to reject that. Choices have consequences.

@SuperSaiyanKrillin

Жыл бұрын

@@karenramnath9993 the point is that if they are rejecting it it seems like it can only be because they either aren't fully aware of what they are rejecting (ignorance) or they are insane. So in what sense is their choice really culpable in meriting an eternal hell ? My example of the man choosing between a bowl of dung and a bowl of salad illustrates the point

@avertthymortaleyes3460

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperSaiyanKrillin interesting. I have to agree. I also have faith that when Christ returns, the event will be so humbling even to the unbeliever. Most would graciously accept repentance and Jesus. It would take a rotten soul who abhors him and his glorious kingdom to reject him at that moment. A lot of big talk atheists and satanists out there who dont understand the love and glory of God. Once felt and witnessed it is truly life altering.

@alamg043

Жыл бұрын

Two men got into a physical fight over a very small matter, some one comes in and break up the fight, these two guys walk away mad at each others, then a month later one of the guy went to the other, saying you know let us put this behind us and move on, the other guy said no, I will never forgive you, and I will never speak to you anymore, the other guy said I am sorry things went that far ,I hope someday we can reconcile our differences and become friends again, one year later the guy who wanted to make peace, died , and God forgive him, and receive his soul, while the other guy was rejoicing over the guy death, full of unforgiven and bitterness, years later he too died unrepented, God is gracious, and merciful, but if God should brings this guy into heaven also, wouldn't it be maliciousness in heaven ? so when someone is corrupt, the only outcome is corruption, and corruption have non place in the kingdom of heaven, the Sermon on the Mount is the conditions of how the heavenly kingdom operates, and if we refuse to follow those principles we will never get there , the Sermon on the Mount is the narrow way, may God help us all.

Please pray for my family and in-laws. They're all devout Mormons who sincerely believe that they have the truth. Every day I ask the Lord to soften their hearts and bring them to the Biblical gospel of Jesus Christ.

@kupferlilie2653

Жыл бұрын

That could happen - if they read the bible .... God s great, know´s the hearts - and is acting in his ways....

@whoknows1972

Жыл бұрын

Well then, what you don't realize is that they teach that God loves all of His children and wants all of them to live with Him. Yes, there is a hell, and yes, we must rely on Christ our Savior to live with God. You should stop worrying about anyone who believes that Jesus died for them. That's the first hurdle to living with God.

He misses the whole point of God's all-consuming and refining fire of love and discipline. This lake of fire purifies those who do not accept Christ as Lord and they are then reconciled and restored back to God through His loving fire.

@Sarah-iy7uc

4 ай бұрын

This goes against what the Bible teaches.

@Keldren.

2 ай бұрын

​@@Sarah-iy7ucprove it

@Sarah-iy7uc

Ай бұрын

@@Keldren. Have you ever even read the whole Bible? Rev 16.8-11, Matt 25.46, Dan 12.2, Rev 14.9-11, Heb 6.2, 2 Thess 1.9, I literally could keep going and going. People in the lake of fire here in these verses aren’t repentant. Yes it’s an uncomfortable concept but just because it makes us uncomfortable, doesn’t mean it’s not there. We have to read Scripture and then base our worldview on that, not the other way around. The amount of Bible that disproves the comment is crazy so I’m not going to list any more, but I hope the ones I have is a good start.

@johnzembrzuski2256

Ай бұрын

This guy is a fool

@johnzembrzuski2256

Ай бұрын

What the heck is the sense of Jesus teachings if we all make it anyway

You know what, the more I learn about stuff like this the more I realize how amazing it is that God put the burden of studying the entire Holy Bible was. It’s been such a blessing, and it really has been helpful in showing who hasn’t actually read their Bible thoroughly, and even keeps me from stuff like universalism and the like. 😅 What a great blessing! And great video clip, it’s short and to the point, and now I want to watch the whole video

@johnharris7353

Жыл бұрын

I jus wanted to see Melissa and Mike! I do study the bible. The book is heavy so I usually use my tablet... Praise God!

@PMur66

Жыл бұрын

What does 1 Timothy 4:10 say?

@Ajsirb24

10 ай бұрын

He misses the whole point of God's all-consuming and refining fire of love and discipline. This lake of fire purifies those who do not accept Christ as Lord and they are then reconciled and restored back to God through His loving fire.

@Ajsirb24

10 ай бұрын

​@@PMur66Amen, Jesus is the savior of all people!

@a-sheepof-christ9027

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Even the church father (cappadocian) Gregory of Nyssa believed and taught Universalist reconciliation. People like Mike Winger don't have a clue about the old teachings. They think universalism is some new idea..

If you see this: remember to pray for these two and their ministrys

Great timing!!! I’m having this discussion with my pastor.

@PMur66

Жыл бұрын

And? What does 1 Timothy 4:10 say?

@a-sheepof-christ9027

8 ай бұрын

That Jesus is the saviour of ALL MEN, but especially (first) the believers. Jesus will thereby save all unbelievers from he'll after a time that's scriptural.

Two of my favorite people! I'm going to enjoy this video!

This conflates heretical universalism with biblical Restorationism. Restorationism is much more compatible with the Bible’s teaching even than ECT

@Jarrodotus

Жыл бұрын

Amen! Seems like every time universalism is "debunked", the restorationism common in the early church is not on view, nor even addressed.

Yay!!! God bless you all. Listening now 🥰

Great video.

Great content as always, but I gotta say, I love the editing.

@PMur66

Жыл бұрын

What does 1 Timothy 4:10 say?

Good lessons thank you..

Good stuff guys!

I'd love if you guys would touch on the whole Christian nationalism that is going on in America right now I'm very concerned because I feel like even in my church I'm surrounded by people that love country more than they love God

@freedomrider266

Жыл бұрын

They do! God, in the NT talking about world-wide Christians, said that though they be like the sands of the seashore (inumerable), it is the REMNANT that will be saved!

Wow thank you

If all people (good & bad) went to heaven.....thats no different to being on earth.....it would be "more of the same" .... Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. Everyone will repent in the end and there will be no evil people walking around in "heaven". But in Mikes view God will preserve evil forever in hell and never be rid of evil in his universe, ever.

@juliemauger6183

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 I think you're not understanding this one verse correctly, in it's context. Scripture interprets scripture, so you need to look at the entire gospel to keep you from mistaking what one verse says which countless other verses contradict. The message in the Bible, looking at the NT specifically, makes it clear that some people will end up in Hell. However, when they die & see Jesus, they have no choice but to confess (admit) that Jesus is Lord. The NT is full of examples where demons speak to Jesus and they know who He is. They call Him Lord, and they fear Him. If demons (who know exactly who Christ is :- before they rebelled against God they lived in Heaven with Him) fear him when they encounter Him, it's no wonder that on the day of judgement, those who are hellbound will drop to their knees in fear. If you look at the way Christ is described in Revelations, He's an awesome, remarkable & frightful sight. I think those who are hellbound may bow their knees in fear and horror. "Every knee shall bow & every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" does NOT say that everyone will repent and be saved. An interesting story which is relevant here is about the rich man who dies and goes to hell. A beggar called Lazarus, who used to sit near the rich man's table to get scraps of food also dies but goes to heaven. The rich man sees Lazarus across the great divide between heaven and hell. His tongue is parched and he begs Abraham (I think it is Abraham from memory) to send Lazarus to get some water and bring it to him so he can wet his tongue, but is told that it is impossible because the chasm between heaven & hell cannot be crossed. It's interesting to see that despite the situation he is in, the rich man arrogantly still sees Lazarus as his inferior (wanting Lazarus to perform a service for him.) The heart of the rich man has not been changed, he's not a changed man, he's not a repentant man. But he begs Abraham to send someone to warn his brothers of the reality of hell, but is told that even if someone was raised from the dead, that wouldn't convince his brothers of the truth. The message is clear: that we do have enough information to know about heaven & hell, since Jesus was resurrected. The evidence for Christ's resurrection is substantial & overwhelming. But, and this is key: there are some who still won't repent and follow God despite all the information and miracles (especially the resurrection) that prove He is God incarnate who died for our sins. Just like the fallen angels, those who reject God are rebelling against the created order: the creatures want to be autonomous and also desire to be their own God, or above God. God allows them to have exactly what they choose. An eternity without God in it. Just as they chose to live their lives on earth without God.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@juliemauger6183 Thankyou for your care. //I think you're not understanding this one verse correctly, in it's context. Scripture interprets scripture, so you need to look at the entire gospel to keep you from mistaking what one verse says which countless other verses contradict.The message in the Bible, looking at the NT specifically, makes it clear that some people will end up in Hell.// The verses about people going to hell are not countless, in fact they are few. //However, when they die & see Jesus, they have no choice but to confess (admit) that Jesus is Lord. The NT is full of examples where demons speak to Jesus and they know who He is. They call Him Lord, and they fear Him. If demons (who know exactly who Christ is :- before they rebelled against God they lived in Heaven with Him) fear him when they encounter Him, it's no wonder that on the day of judgement, those who are hellbound will drop to their knees in fear. If you look at the way Christ is described in Revelations, He's an awesome, remarkable & frightful sight. I think those who are hellbound may bow their knees in fear and horror. "Every knee shall bow & every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" does NOT say that everyone will repent and be saved.// 1 Cor 15:44 "it is sown a natural [soul obeying] body, it is raised a spiritual [spirit obeying] body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." Each and every person has a natural body and so for each and every person there will be a spiritual body when they are resurrected. When they are resurrected they are led by The Spirit and they worship freely and voluntarily. Celestial beings like demons have soul obeying bodies and are not led by The Spirit as a person who has participated in Jesus' resurrection is. When a person bows their knees even in fear and horror, they have turned to Christ which is the very definition of repentance. // An interesting story which is relevant here is about the rich man who dies and goes to hell. A beggar called Lazarus, who used to sit near the rich man's table to get scraps of food also dies but goes to heaven. The rich man sees Lazarus across the great divide between heaven and hell. ....// Lazarus was in Hades and everyone is resurrected out of Hades.... Rev 20: 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. //The message is clear: that we do have enough information to know about heaven & hell, since Jesus was resurrected. The evidence for Christ's resurrection is substantial & overwhelming. But, and this is key: there are some who still won't repent and follow God despite all the information and miracles (especially the resurrection) that prove He is God incarnate who died for our sins.// The bible says that no one knows and no one understands. It says that God makes people blind and deaf to his word and he hardens their hearts and sends delusions on them. //Just like the fallen angels, those who reject God are rebelling against the created order: the creatures want to be autonomous and also desire to be their own God, or above God. God allows them to have exactly what they choose. An eternity without God in it. Just as they chose to live their lives on earth without God.// I always laugh that God is not allowed to force salvation on people but he is apparently allowed to force people into unending existence without his presence, when really they didnt choose that at all.

@vvmsmrle8562

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 it’s pretty black and white tbh...your choices defines where you’ll end up. You’ll be judged on your choices and how aware you are to them. Everything is fair and justice is the law. You don’t really expect evil doers to be in Heaven along with people that are innocent? Gotta make sense.

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see ( eternal)life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36 Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

I think God will get exactly what he wants.

People are like birds 🐦 I have a huge bird feeder I made. After I fill it I watch the birds come & find the best & easiest food, like the sunflower seeds etc. People want to pick out the words from the Bible that are easy and taste good, but reject the rest.

He raises Matt 25:46 which is a good point - yes we have to take it seriously. But it is not talking about "hell". Consider the whole parable - those who did not feed the poor, help the sick, etc -> they will go into everlasting fire. HOWEVER we know that salvation is not based on works, yet this parable is talking about works. There is another meaning here. 1. Matt 25:33-46 is about works. Those who didn't help others will be in 'everlasting fire' 2. God is 'everlasting fire' 3. There is a difference between 'eternal punsihing' and 'eternal punishment' 4. Study the meaning of aion/aionios - it is relating to a long period of indefinite time, not literally endless time.

@tomm6167

Жыл бұрын

The English word "eon" comes from the Greek word "aion." Both words mean "age." An age is a long but finite period of time. So this supports your point 4.

@christsavesreadromans1096

3 ай бұрын

Faith without works is dead, and it clearly is speaking about hell.

It's interesting when You look up everlasting and punishment in Matt 25:46 You could translate that by definition as "age of correction"

On this one I have some issues that are easily explained by the parable of the helpers in the vineyards. Those who showed up at the last minute were payed the same as those who worked faithfully all day. It may seem strange to you that we will see people who our human hearts said we’re bad people in heaven but their repentance and it’s timing is between them and God. On NDE’s, the ones that have really been studied all have God in them.

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Matthew 7:13-14, "broad is the path that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it."

If we were *all* going to Heaven despite lack of faith or love toward God, then we''d be there already.

@livewireOrourke

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan Muller It's true though.

The "lake of fire" is not talked about in the OT but being in a crucible and God burning of the dross is

You got the translation wrong. 'Everlasting' is a mistranslation of Aion / aionios. It is NOT eternal, but a process outside, or beyond, time. It is a temporary purgation before salvation.

Excellent point. If you -except- accept eternal life you must also accept eternal damnation. Many people haven't really considered the reality of eternity. Every time you look up into the night sky you're staring at eternity. "What's on the other side of the edge of space?"

@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan MullerI'm sure other people saw my mistake and didn't say anything. Thank you.

I'm afraid this is a misrepresentation of the topic. Universalism is not about uniting with evil and it's not against scripture. How do you deal with verses like: 1. Cor.15,22; Col.1,20; Eph.1,10...?

@briggy4359

Жыл бұрын

The path is narrow and few find it.

@briggy4359

Жыл бұрын

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that *those who are Christ’s* at His coming, 1 Corinthians 15:22‭-‬23 This refers to those who belong to Christ, not those who reject him. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, *having made peace through the blood of His cross;* through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. Colossians 1:18‭-‬20 God offers reconciliation through the death of Christ. Not everyone accepts it. He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. Ephesians 1:9‭-‬10 This verse does refers to the end state of the universe, when all in heaven and on earth are under Christ's authority. That doesn't take into account those in the lake of fire.

@Hope4myfriend

Жыл бұрын

@@briggy4359 : For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1. Cor.15,22-28 KJB) V 24 "Then cometh the end" belongs to the "order". (V23). In greek the word is "telos" which means a fulfilment, an aim. See also the next verses which culminate in V28 where it is prophesied that God may be all in all. Not everyone accepts this reconciliation, you're right, but does this really mean, the many will never accept it? Is it not by grace we're saved and not by works?

@definit1on119

Жыл бұрын

There is a simple awnser in John 3:3. John 3; 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@definit1on119 The kingdom of God refers to Jesus returning and reigning over this earth. Only those who are worthy will be resurrected for this privilege. They will reign with Jesus. Rev 20:4-6

Mike should study that parable, the sheep and the goats, more seriously. First, the test is how we treat the least among us (and not regard for the king as both sheep and goats have to ask the king: When did I ever treat you that way?) One of the specifics is visiting one in prison, and the parable gives no concern to the prisoner's guilt; the issue is compassion, not justice. Are we to stop caring for the least among us? Who is worse off than the damned? No, Mike, it is not "peer pressure". The sheep are those who put into practice love for their fellows. If hell exists, then the sheep cannot have eternal joy in heaven, because they have to spend eternity trying to convince God to stop torturing those poor goats.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and if the goats are in the second death forever then death is never abolished (1 cor 15) and there will always be death (rev 21 :4)

@cltheman1960

Жыл бұрын

Good point, brygenon. The 2nd death is a final act, with no resurrection from it. "No more death" means there nothing will die anymore afterwards, but the ones who died the 2nd death will stay dead. It is an act of mercy and justice to turn them to ashes, instead of immortalizing sin and pain for eternity, or forcing unwilling people into a sinless existence where they might end up spreading the disease all over again. God will not force salvation onto unwilling souls, he will allow rejection and give them their nonexistence back in the final judgement, however painful it may be. It will be His strange and unusual act. Instead of fearmongering on eternal torment, or telling smooth fables of guaranteed salvation in sin, we should treat it as the reality that this life is our only chance to become right with God. The eternal punishment is death, with finality, an end to sin, and no more pain, suffering, or death afterwards.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Nice intro!

Very good explanation! And, I would add, in John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 3:36 - Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. Jude 1:4, NLT - ...some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. And 2 Timothy 4:4-5 - For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Perhaps the real question is: "Is God able to bring ALL to repentance?" As sin entered the world through one man, so all are atoned through one, Jesus Christ. May our Savior and Redeemer have such mercy on them ALL as to bring ALL, eventually, to repentance.

Great short video for sharing with others! I believe that our OWN actions and choices can send us to hell when we choose to deny Him. its my choice to choose God and follow Him. I'm very grateful that I have! ...repent and turn to the Lord for forgiveness. HE is the ONLY way♥️✝️🙏 its not too late.

Isn't everyone going to confess to The Lord?????

For those who r interested in a more rigorous treatment of the subject, I encourage u to check out my recent interviews with Capturing Christianity

I think everyone who actually reads the bible agrees that there Is a hell but does God leave them in there for all of eternity and if he does what is the point of that?

@sunnyjohnson992

Жыл бұрын

Hell, Hades, Sheol all refer to the common grave of mankind. The Bible never says the dead remain in the grave. While on earth, Jesus showed that the dead can be resurrected and in the near future, all of the dead will be raised back to life. (John 5:28,29) Acts 24:15: “And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous.” Revelation 21:4 assures us that death will be no more, so God will forever rid the world of it.

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnyjohnson992 Right on

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

it wasn't condemned until 500 years after Christ in 543 AD. “For I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) if this were the only scripture to support it then I would understand your argument against it but there's a whole lot more.

Please watch end time message the message of God for this last generation

I noticed some people were asking why should we trust the Bible instead of other texts. There is a video called “questions aloud with Dr. Michael Heiser, who is god” The scholar answers some of these type of questions. I hope you will check it out.

What denomination is Melissa??

Who am I to question God lol. Will he not do what is just and right? Absolutely he will!

@nikokapanen82

Жыл бұрын

It is 100% righteous for God to bring pain and suffering to a sinner not just for the sake of pain and suffering but for the sake of correction, to teach him a lesson, to humble him down and make him reject his sinful behavior. Such act is truly a good act and justifiable 100%. God acted this way many times over in the Old Testament, He poured His wrath upon His people and brought them suffering and misery but it was never for the sake of simply bringing them a misery, it was always for the sake of humbling them down and teaching them a lesson. Yet if you bring nothing but pain and misery for no other reason but to bring pain and misery, for eternity, that is 100% evil. You see, every and any good thing always, without an exception has a good outcome and a good outcome, always, bring a good emotional experience, this is why it is a good thing and every evil thing always brings a negative, painful emotional experience. So the idea of God bringing nothing but pain, suffering and misery for a literal eternity cannot be a good thing by its very definition. It is by definition an evil thing because it brings nothing but suffering and bringing suffering without a good outcome is always an evil thing.

@thomasvinelli

Жыл бұрын

@Nico it’s more accurate to say God didn’t cause anything, He didn’t cause suffering, they brought it on themselves. The Old Testament clearly shows time and time again how stubborn Israel was and still is.

@nikokapanen82

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasvinelli The point is that bringing suffering upon the sinners to humble them down and teach them a lesson to behave properly is a perfectly good and righteous thing to do but to cause somebody to feel nothing but pain and misery forever and ever without any good outcome cannot be a good thing.

@sararengstorf4560

Жыл бұрын

@@nikokapanen82 what about the angels? Will they be punished forever? I’m seriously trying to wrestle with this whole heaven hell judgment and how it all works for humans. Any input is greatly appreciated.

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

Жыл бұрын

@@sararengstorf4560, yes, the angels are sentenced to the Iake of fire for eternity, which is why scripture says if YHVH incarnate in Christ did not spare the angels from eternal wrath, He will not spare unrepentant sinners either, 2 Peter 2: 4.

Before Jesus came ppl who died before Christ were counted worthy based on their faithfulness. Now there’s Jesus and the word to save us. However there’s places in the world where Jesus is suppressed and ppl who die before ever hearing the gospel. How will they be judged?

@karenramnath9993

Жыл бұрын

I think Mike addresses this in one of his videos...worth looking for. There is the verse about “He has put eternity into their hearts”... The wonders of creation are all around us, and everyone must pause and consider at some point “Who made all of this?” And if we are looking for our Creator, He will reveal Himself somehow.

@jozuzl1

Жыл бұрын

@@karenramnath9993 I agree. I’m sure there’s people who looks around and might say a God must’ve made all this but can they use the words, “I accept Jesus as my personal savior?”

@johnharris7353

Жыл бұрын

Trust God to take care of it!

@jozuzl1

Жыл бұрын

@@johnharris7353 best answer ever 🙏✝️

What kind of helped me with these questions was the realization that God loves even those he sends to Hell. It tears him up inside to have to do it just as much as it does you or me. But it has to be done, because that is justice.

@Yipper64

Жыл бұрын

@Ryan Muller Well as much as a murderer sends themselves to prison. A judge still has to make the call that the murder must go to prison. Thus sending them there. Its not mutually exclusive. The wages of sin is death, God is the judge that requires the wages be paid. Good thing that Jesus has offered to pay those wages, with his own death. But not everyone will accept Jesus, take his gift of paying for those wages. And so they must take on those wages themselves.

@Yipper64

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelf40 Look there's only one bible. Read it, its gonna be the same no matter who's reading it. Now how people interpret said book, and how they explain it, may be different, and it may sound confusing. But... its a lot of freaking books, and nobody is perfect. If you want to make sure the story is straight, read it for yourself.

@cathybyrum7593

Жыл бұрын

Hell is the default. We are all born headed there on the “broad road” thanks to Adam’s sin. God provides an “exit ramp” if you will, in Jesus.

@PMur66

Жыл бұрын

​@@Yipper64 Incorrect my friend. There are MANY translations of the scriptures and most English translations, such as the KJV, are very poor translations.

@Yipper64

Жыл бұрын

@@PMur66 well that's why you do more research before coming to a conclusion, and always be open to correction. There's only one bible, its translated from that, "good" translation or not.

Do you see what you are saying? If someone first commits a sin against the Universal Set then they are to be rejected. Elsewise what would be wrong with Racism or Genocide? But as ever; where and when is the line drawn? You don't get to...

I'm not a universalist but my goodness did Mike Winger give a horrible straw man at the end. Biblical arguments aside (which I agree are the best defeaters of the universalist positions) the idea that universalists believe that heaven will be populated with unrepentant molesters and rapists is a horrible misrepresentation. The unversalist simply believes that in the end all of creation cannot resist the love of God and will ultimately choose God as their ultimate good because it would be insane for any individual to even freely choose otherwise (Like eating a bowl of dung instead a delicious salad) If Mike Winger wants to hold to the biblical arguments fine - but he has demonstrated by his later commentary that he has no idea what he is talking about.

@MelissaDougherty

Жыл бұрын

I think his point was well made. Even if what you're saying is true- that nobody will be able to resist the love of God, then not only is free will an illusion, but, indeed, there will be no justice for the people who have done terrible things with no remorse. This seems to imply strongly that there is a second chance after death, and it's not even a "chance". It's a guarantee. So no matter what, you are going to be forced into a position to love God *and* repent? This sounds so strange to me in light of the Gospel. Will the demons be overcome with God's love to repent and love God? Will Satan? Will we all just live in heaven together with the "Father of Lies" as Jesus calls him and his followers? If not, then what makes it any different for a human heart to continually reject God? This viewpoint is closer to Rob Bells "Love Wins" progressive perspective than to a biblical perspective. I think this encompasses his overall point he was making.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou Nathan. I see your brain works

@SillyChickens222

Жыл бұрын

@@MelissaDougherty God will reveal His truth to you in accordance with His will. I pray more people will realize the total accomplishment of what Jesus Christ did on the cross for all mankind. We have no free will, we cannot act independently of God’s will. He is in total control and we should be comforted by that. He creates vessels of honor and dishonor for His will, and in the end God will be all in all bc His will is for everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth - which will glorify God in the end. Highly recommend checking out Scott Hicko here on YT.

@tomm6167

Жыл бұрын

@@MelissaDougherty Nathan Vani's point that a heaven full of unrepentant sinners is a gross misrepresentation of Christian universalism IS well taken! Per Christian universalism, unrepentant sinners will be justly punished and refined in the lake of fire before they're allowed to enter heaven. And they probably will receive fewer heavenly rewards once they arrive. Free will: Not having TOTAL free will (i.e. enough free will to ultimately choose damnation over salvation) doesn't mean that humans have NO free will. The middle position of humans being given a LOT OF of free will -- enough to learn valuable life lessions, to struggle, to reap what has been sown, etc. -- seems most probable to me. An analogy is a chess game between God and a human. The human has free will to make any series of moves that he/she wishes. However, God will always be able to checkmate the human into salvation in the end. For many, the checkmating will occur in God's refining lake of fire [Malachi 3:2-3]. (BTW, the sulfur(brimstone) that will be in the lake of fire was used primarily as a PURIFYING agent by ancient Greeks and Romans.)

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Matthew 7:13-14, "broad is the path that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it." Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see ( eternal)life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36 Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

I cannot understand why "believers" say heaven sounds boring...

People outside of Christ just don’t understand

Good points about freedom of choice and how an unrepentant sinner wouldn't enjoy heaven. I think it's important to point out the nature of the punishment, given the common misconceptions there are. Psalm 37:10-11, 20 Malachi 4:1,3: "For, behold, the day comes, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, _shall be stubble:_ and the day that comes shall _burn them up,_ said the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. … And you shall tread down the wicked; for *they shall be ashes* under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, said the LORD of hosts." (Emphasis added) Isaiah 47:14: "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: _there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it."_ (Emphasis added) Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is _death;_ but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Emphasis added) Contrary to popular belief, the wages of sin is not eternal life in torment. The only alternative to eternal life would be eternal death, with permanent results. Perhaps the nature of death should be cleared up... Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10: "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also _their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;_ neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. … Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for _there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave,_ where you go." (Emphasis added) John 5:28-29: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are _in the graves_ shall hear his voice, And shall _come forth;_ they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation." There is no consciousness in death. The next thing a person would be aware of is their resurrection. When you die, you stop living. The dead are _in their graves_ when they are resurrected, not off somewhere else to be put back in their body. In the literal sense, the soul is breath and body combined. Revelation 20:9, Rev 22:12, Ezekiel 28:18-19(start at verse 13 for context on who it's directed to), Luke 12:46-48, Revelation 21:8 2 Peter 3:5-13 In light of all that The Bible says on this subject, why would God even allow sin to exist for all eternity? Eternal torment would only perpetuate and immortalize sin(even if confined), but God's aim is to _end sin._ The Bible teaches of _conditional_ immortality, not traditionalism, and not universal reconciliation.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

It definitely teaches universal reconciliation Psalms is about wicked people in this life Malachi is about what happens in Revelation 19 and 20:7-9. It describes something from this life. Isaiah is mirrored in Matt 3 where we see that each person is a wheat plant and each person has wheat and chaff. The wicked have more chaff and less wheat but even so there is still a part of them saved Ecc is about dead people in this life Jn 5 says that those who did bad will be resurrected to judgement and punishment.

@thecarlitosshow7687

7 ай бұрын

@@sparehead811Malachi and Micah talk about the Fire purifying after death too. Also by JN you mean John?

@sparehead811

7 ай бұрын

@@thecarlitosshow7687 where do they talk about after death?

I'd like it if you and/or Mike would do a longer video in response to "Christian universalists" like Rob Bell and David Bentley Hart.

@gunnartesdahl9347

Жыл бұрын

He wouldn't be able to handle DBH with the sort of reasoning in this video.

@rocketmanshawn

Жыл бұрын

@@gunnartesdahl9347 correct, Mike isn't nearly as prideful as Hart

@gunnartesdahl9347

Жыл бұрын

@@rocketmanshawn I would say Hart can come across as brash and arrogant, for sure. But he's also a genius.

@tomm6167

Жыл бұрын

George Sarris would be a worthier opponent.

Hi

I think this is about pluralism rather than universalism. They're both wrong but probably best to clarify.

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG

Жыл бұрын

How is universal reconciliation wrong?

Wow. That last sentence says it all. Beautifully said.

Ok, but I wouldn't want to be in heaven with Jefferey Dahmers, yet he was a repentant Christian. Would repentant Christian Nazis get into Heaven while the Jews they unjustly murdered all go to Hell? Does that sound just to you? It sounds fairer if everyone gets cleansed of their sins and then goes to heaven (the Jewish belief). The severity of the cleansing depends on how heinous your sins were.

Didn't King James take three words and sum them up into Hell? Does the OT talk about eternal torment and hell?

Anyone in heaven was once a sinner. Pretty cool!

@WandaWojcik

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a repentant sinner only!

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. I know one verse in the New Testament of the Scriptures does say that God want's all men to be saved but God also knows some people like the lost religious Pharisees in the days His Son Jesus Christ came to earth before He would die on the cross on Calvary will commit this one sin that will prevent them from inheriting the Kingdom of God and bring that awful damnation upon their souls as prophesied of in 2 Peter 2:1 which leaves them in the same condemnation that came to pass on those Philistines in the days of Samson and Ezekiel as well.

@tomm6167

Жыл бұрын

Ephesians 2:7 tells us there are at least two ages to come.

I am no expert on other religions, but I approach this issue by starting with the assumption that all religions actually do have a hypothetical path to heaven. Then realizing that none of those paths are truly achievable by any human. Thankfully Jesus came down and lived the perfect life, fulfilling the Jewish path...and was incredibly gracious to sacrifice himself for those of us that could never achieve this perfection. Well Thank God...because now there is a Way for those of us who aren't perfect. In theory, there are many paths; in reality, Grace is the only true path.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Amen Every resurrected person will behold The Son and be given eternal life.

@WandaWojcik

Жыл бұрын

But only if you repent, ask for forgiveness, and try not to continue in your wrongdoing. For those not perfect? None is perfect. God's grace is His forgiveness and showing you a New Way, Jesus! The Only Way!

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@WandaWojcik Everyone will repent and ask forgiveness after they are resurrected

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

​@@sparehead811Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

​@@sparehead811while it's a nice thought that appeases our "feelings " it's imperative we remain in need reality. There are many places in the word that warn of deception, and of our heart attitude and choosing or rejecting of Christ finished work on the cross now in our physical life. If everyone was just going to be allowed to dwell in the Father God's kingdom, why all the warnings?

Admittedly, I am a bit disappointed that universalism is put under the “New Age” category so nonchalantly. Whilst pluralism has definitely crept into the church via New Age thought, Christian Universalism has been advocated since the 200 by some of the best theologians the early church had to offer (I.e., Clement and Origen of Alexandria, Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus the Confessor, etc). Christian Universalism, as advocated by those listed, does NOT say that people enter into the new creation unrepentant. These figures still face the hell that they made and God uses that to refine them so that they may be saved. If these figures will be tossed aside as New Age or not considered in any real fashion within evangelical dialogue than American evangelicalism is an intellectual laughingstock. I comment this not for debate but because I respect the thoughts and concerns from Melissa and Mike. I hope that more thought on this matter would be taken up so as to not label it liberal. I myself am not sold wholeheartedly on the matter, yet it is a Christian position held by many faithful throughout history. Please, before we throw hasty labels around let us be informed.

Yes, actually. Though “Go to heaven” is a loaded term that’s kinda misleading to the broader scope of eschatology.

6th and No...

Christian universalists/reconciliationists don't believe that unrepentant sinners will be in heaven. That's new age and pagan universalism. Christian universalists/reconciliationists believe eventually, all will repent and trust in Christ. I like and respect Mike, but he is clearly not familiar with the Christian doctrine of Apokatastasis. Many great Christians believed that Christ will eventually reconcile all things in Christ. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, and many more. They didn't deny divine punishment. Rather, they believed it was temporary and remedial chastisement.

Well said, that would not be a happy place to be.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Everyone in heaven will have repented and will have been forgiven. You wont judge them for what they did. In Mikes evil religion God preserves evil forever in hell but in The universalist religion God punishes and purges evil from his universe

@vc8535

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 I agree that you won’t be judging anyone in heaven, everyone would have repented and been forgiven. However, my understanding of Universalism is that all souls will be inevitably be saved. So if that’s the case, then that would imply that unrepentant souls would be in heaven too. Hell is a place void of God’s presence, so then would that not be a place of punishment and a purge of evil? Maybe your idea of punishment for unrepentant souls is actually what hell is..

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@vc8535 In Biblical Universalism everyone repents. That is why God accepts their worship Phil 2:10 Everyone is resurrected in spiritual bodies that are not inclined to sin but are rather inclined to be led by The Holy Spirit 1 Cor 15 Im sure you agree that God is omnipresent and must therefore be in hell. Not only this but hell is described as Gods wrath so God must be there to give his wrath. I think hell is a place of Gods unbound glory and for those who led evil lives and are not accustomed to Gods presence it will be very painful until they are purged of their self centeredness and let love in.

@vc8535

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 So what about the story of the rich man and Lazarus? The rich man doesn’t repents and therefore isn’t saved. While in Hades, he asks that Lazarus be sent to his brothers to warn them to repent so they do not end up in the place of torment. Why would he not instead repent in order to be saved himself? I do agree that if God is omnipresent it would be hard to think of God not being present in hell, but maybe we think of hell incorrectly. Maybe it’s not so much a physical place, but rather a void where there is nothing but pain and torment because you’re outside the realm of God. Hell is a choice. We are allowed to reject God and decide not to be with him and if the universalist view means everyone inevitably repents, then we really would not have free will…

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@vc8535 There is no repentance in hades, but the rich man will be resurrected out of hades and will repent then. Everyone is resurrected out of hades and then hades is thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:11-14 No one had free will to decide if they want to live on this earth. No one has free will to decide if they want to die or not on this earth. No one has free will to decide if they want to be resurrected or not. No one has freewill to decide if they want to be judged or not. Why is it suddenly a problem if resurrected people see that the most wonderful choice is Jesus?

Jesus is Lord

@yatinurhayati3150

Жыл бұрын

Jesus is prophet same like Moses

I too enjoy being lectured from people trusting in their own works. People talking about the sermon on the mount, but completely misunderstands the death burial and resurrection. Your good works are nothing to God. He either did it all and meant what he said by saying 'it is finished' or not at all. I truly think some of you have no understanding of grace. You keep mixing grace with works and God does not do that.

Heaven is only for souls who Love God or at the very least. Love what God represents. Put this way…..Simple to understand right? And that is Why no soul will have any excuse at Judgment whether they be formally instructed Christians or Unaware Primitives…..

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

Everyone will love God after they are resurrected and punished.

@WandaWojcik

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 huh? No, not all. There are People who will reject God. They follow evil and will not repent!

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@WandaWojcik The bible says everyone will worship God.

@cltheman1960

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 Where does it say that? Please cite your sources. I'm pretty sure I know what you're referring to, but I want to make sure first.

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

If there was a way for people to repent after death, this would make salvation for everyone possible. The words Aion or Aionos can be translated in various ways, it doesn't always have to be everlasting. Only because it says so in most of our bibles, doesn't make it true. Some of the church fathers were universalists or at least open to the idea of apokatastasis, so to simply say universalism equals new age is a little dishonest. And if you look at it from the end: say one soul equals a point on the scoreboard. Who's the winner at the end of time, when only a measly number of souls get saved? How is God's power and sovereignty displayed? How will His and the elect's joy be perfect, when we all know who's actually won the great battle for souls? Why all this then? There is no place in heaven for Hitler, but there is a place in heaven for a repentant Hitler.

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

This video doesn’t represent Universalism correctly at all. There is a purifying fire that sinners go through. Also, eternal punishment comes from Tertullian and late St Augustine added. The Bible never claims eternal punishment. They were mistranslated from the Greek to the Latins (St Augustine and the Western Church).

Hope you get Chris Rosebrough on your show soon! Loved seeing your guys years ago with Doreen. 🔥

No - People Loved The Wrong Things They Were Shown That This Earth Is Not A Good Place Even if most reject the message of Jesus, the people should of at least riled up and hoped to put an end to the Evil in this World according to what they thought they knew.

Mike Winger is a simple person’s idea of a smart “theologian.”

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

yep really bad philosophical arguments

@gregjeffries8446

Жыл бұрын

@@sparehead811 …I should refrain from snarky comments but Mike’s sophomoric logical fallacies are insufferable.

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@gregjeffries8446 Yeah,I can accept people being simple, but not when others eat it up like jellow

I have some questions, 1.which hell did Jesus talk about? Was it Gahanna, Tarturus, or Hades? 2. Are you absolutely sure Matthew 25:46 is referring to our eternal destiny? 3. If not everyone is saved in the end, why you and not them? 4. Do we save ourselves? 5. Is Adam's sin more powerful then Christ sacrifice?

@mattloyselle9218

Жыл бұрын

Also have either of you studied the Greek word "Aion"?

@cltheman1960

Жыл бұрын

1. It depends on which text you're asking about. Jesus did talk about "Hades"(the grave, pit), and he also referred to Gehenna in other places. 2. It's important to note _what_ the punishment is. Most seem to think it's torment, but The Bible says the eternal punishment is *death.* The ungodly are not promised eternal life, they get death. Note that the word is _punishment,_ not _punishing._ 3. God's people are saved through grace by faith. The same applies to people in the Old Testament, they just had to look forward to the cross, but we look backward to the real sacrifice. 4. We cannot save ourselves. It is God who saves. By ourselves, we cannot do the will of God, we must accept that life-saving, life-changing grace, which is a free gift from God. Accepting that gift will enable us to live in Christ, and turn from sin. That is what the Biblical gospel is about. 5. No, Christ's sacrifice is more powerful. It is up to each person to accept God's grace through faith. It helps to have a Strong's concordance on your Bible app with embedded Strong's numbers, to see the translations of what the words mean.

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see ( eternal)life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36 Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Where in the Bible does it say that saved people will "go" to heaven? Don't know a place? Don't feel bad. Your pastor doesn't know a place, either. There isn't one.

@sunnyjohnson992

Жыл бұрын

The Bible clearly shows only a limited number go to heaven and that those who will live forever on earth will be of an unlimited number. (Psalm 37:11,29; Revelation 7:9,10,14)

@IsaacNussbaum

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnyjohnson992 I looked up all of your citations, Sunny. I did not see anything about going to heaven in any of them.

@IsaacNussbaum

Жыл бұрын

@Makai Threads Thank you for sharing, M. T. You are almost right. In chapter 21 and verse 2 the New Jerusalem comes down "out of heaven." Thereafter the description is of the new Earth. I suspect that no description of heaven was seen as necessary since the redeemed will spend eternity on Earth.

I’m just sitting here looking in my Bible for any place that says ANYONE will “go to Heaven”…. We need to be more biblical in our language, because a lot of people absorb gnostic ideas when we say things like “go to Heaven”

@lucaxavier

11 ай бұрын

Here: "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." - 1 Corinthians 15:22

Universalists simply have a problem with what the bible says about hell and later the lake of fire. They focus of "God is love" and while that is true it isn't the only thing that's true about God. God has other attributes such as these two for example. Hebrews 12:29 King James Version 29 For our God is a consuming fire. He's also a man of war Exodus 15:3 King James Version 3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name. The bible also never says that those who end up in the lake of fire are turned to ashes. The bible makes it clear in Revelation 14:11 King James Version 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 21:8 King James Version 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

@cltheman1960

Жыл бұрын

Psalm 37:10-11,20: "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. … But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Malachi 4:1,3: "For, behold, the day comes, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, _shall be stubble:_ and the day that comes shall _burn them up,_ said the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. … And you shall tread down the wicked; for *they shall be ashes* under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, said the LORD of hosts." (Emphasis added) Isaiah 47:14: "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: _there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it."_ (Emphasis added) Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is _death;_ but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Emphasis added) Eternal life is a gift of God, which is not promised to those who cling to sin. Death is the only alternative, no everlasting life in torment, but everlasting death with permanent results. Revelation 20:9, Rev 22:12, Ezekiel 28:18-19(start at verse 13 for context on who it's directed to), Luke 12:46-48, Revelation 21:8 2 Peter 3:5-13 And Hebrews 12:29, which you did quote, describes God as a _consuming_ fire. I find conditional immortality to better fit in The Bible, rather than traditional immortality. Death _is_ the eternal punishment for the unrepentant sinner.

But there’s no sin, death, or disease in heaven supposedly. So if hitler was in heaven he’d be a different version of himself, a new sinless man.

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG

Жыл бұрын

@the-meat-battles Where's everlasting in that passage?

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish; And the enemies of the LORD, Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away.

I think that if universalism is true, then there is no eternal justice, and the world reverts back to the same problems caused by the same sins. Let's say that there is this guy who frequently lies in his work. He dies and resumes the same job doing exactly what he did before lying about the same things. The only punishment to be avoided is temporary prison sentences set up by society.

@Hope4myfriend

Жыл бұрын

Yes, tempory prison sentences, you said it. The greek word used in Mt.25,46 is "kolasis" which means a correcting punishment.

@tomm6167

Жыл бұрын

@@Hope4myfriend William Barclay, world renowned Greek scholar, translator, and author of the popular Bible commentary, The Daily Study Bible and New Testament Words, agrees: "The Greek word for punishment here [Mt. 25:46] is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. I think it is true to say that in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment." --William Barclay: A Spiritual Autobiography

Word of God says it’s a race, and only a few will make it in, not everyone will be in heaven

Christians are entirely wrong in their belief in an avenging "god." There is no such thing. This is the TRUTH that frightens and upsets Christians and Christians exclaim: "How then will God govern the world and make people good and listen to the Prophets, if God does not punish people? You will only lead people into greater torment then ever before, with your strange ideas." You see, without the belief in a God threatening dire vengeance if mankind was unruly, Christians would feel lost and insecure. Christians would wonder how the world would ever manage if it was left entirely to mankind to control the evil doings of themselves and others. Even kings and governors were wicked in their actions. Without God to rule and punish "sinners" where would it end?

No only Godw elect will be going

I can see what you guys are struggling with, but admit it you do not know what you are talking about. 🤔

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH. on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” M atthew 7:13-14, "broad is the path that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it."

... a unregenerated ( unrepentant) heart will NOT enter the Kingdom of God. There is NO negotiation with God on this matter at the end of a person's life. NOW is the time to repent people.

@Tommythecat007

5 ай бұрын

Rubbish read the rest of scripture

@forerunnerforjesus1291

5 ай бұрын

@@Tommythecat007... FIRST of all, I DID NOT give any scripture, THEREFORE, it is NOT any scripture for me to READ any further. NOW, IF YOU desire to share a scripture WITH me to read, feel free to do so. God bless you.

@Tommythecat007

5 ай бұрын

​​@@forerunnerforjesus1291well it seemed like you are making some sort of concluding statement supposedly from scpriture? So ok then, this is simply just your opinion?

We don’t end up in heaven anyways so no one ends up there actually.

@definit1on119

Жыл бұрын

You have proof?

@sparehead811

Жыл бұрын

@@definit1on119 Rev 21 and 22 say we end up on the new earth

Peace, Islam is the truth. Read the Qur’an

Adolph was an incarnation of God; a God-Like being. Wonderful, Fearful and Ultimately Trust-Worthy.

It is not clear in the Bible what heaven and hell are. Also, the bible doesn't say how god will save us from hell. Also, the Bible does not mention the cold and dark torment in Hell. the bible says that everyone who lies on earth will rise again how does god know that He doesn't say in the Bible how he knew this. it is not clear who the god is in the bible If you ask who is God, the Bible cannot answer this question. whereas our expectation is that god is the king or kings of the people living in the sky so it should say YHWH is the name of the king of the people who live in the sky but the bible does not say that. There is so much missing in the Bible, it contradicts science and logic. The person who wrote the Bible does not know the scientific future, he is not God.

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

Wow, who the one not clear on the word?! It is absolutely very clear in his word who he is if someone is sincerely seeking. 😢All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness... (2 Timothy 3:16, NKJV)

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

And, no, it does not contradict science and logic.

God hated Esau, look it up

@sunnydaze1185

11 ай бұрын

IT is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the prophet Malachi and the apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel”) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called “Edom”) and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9;

@AJSchultz

6 ай бұрын

So many places, names are used for people, then given onto geographic locations. Don't cross your lines. Or Lions? I love language.

If Universalism were true, there’d be no point to repentance since everyone would go to Heaven anyway. But that’s not how that works. We need to repent, and trust in God.