57:10 - The text does not say "without end" -- it does say "forever and ever." But here again is the word aionion, so the literal translation would be "to the ages of ages." The presence of sulfur in the lake of fire (a liquid molten fire) indicates a refiner's fire. Sulfur was added to molten gold to bind to impurities to be removed. The purity of gold was tested by rubbing it against a touchstone. The reaction between the touchstone and the gold allowed one to determine the quality of the gold. The word "torment" in Revelation 14 & 20 in the Greek literally means "to rub against a touchstone." There is strong evidence in the text itself to point to the lake of fire being a refiner's fire -- a purifying fire -- a tormenting fire, yes -- but a fire ultimately designed to purify its subjects. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God, but King Jesus will have His way with His creation, which He paid for by His own blood. God is good.

@__-vb3ht

8 ай бұрын

Yes and "theion", the greek word for sulfur has another interesting thing going on, in that it can also mean "divine". thanks for introducing me to the touchstone connection, that is reassuring and also a very neat image

In a nutshell, Arminianism downplays God's sovereignty or fulfilling His purposes, and Calvinism downplays God's love.

You should bring Dr. David Bentley Hart on the show. So your audience can see both sides of the argument.

@brucemsabin

2 жыл бұрын

People can read his book. Do you think this video misrepresented his views?

@christianuniversalist

Жыл бұрын

Childers won’t bring him on because DBH would expose the egregious errors in her infernalist theology. It would be a public embarrassment

@wildhias6195

Жыл бұрын

@@christianuniversalist tbh it would not be a good show, while I agree with DH on most things, he is quite arrogant

@christianuniversalist

Жыл бұрын

@@wildhias6195 so is Childers, she just expresses it differently

@jhq9064

Жыл бұрын

Michael makes his argument on other videos so poorly and logically incoherant that he unwittingly helps the Case for Universalism. So if a fireman saves all 10 people in a burning building instead of just one, it wouldn't be as nice for the one if he was the only one that made it out alive...

Pretty ironic how Michael brought up C.S. Lewis multiple times but failed to mention that Lewis' self-admitted biggest influence on not only his theological understanding but also influenced all of his writings was, George MacDonald.

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

Lewis's own view seem to similar to Hans Balthasar that others could be saved through special graces. “There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it … For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position” C.S. Lewis “I think that every prayer which is sincerely made even to a false god or to a very imperfectly conceived true God, is accepted by the true God and that Christ saves many who do not think they know Him.” C.S. Lewis

@kolasis4994

2 жыл бұрын

C.s. Lewis disagreed with McDonald on the idea of universal restoration, but still treated him as a beloved brother in Christ, not a reprobate heretic.

@slyone1726

2 жыл бұрын

@@kolasis4994 I never said that C.S. Lewis agreed with MacDonald on every stance. I was merely pointing out that Michael McClymond makes it seem like anyone who holds the belief of any type of universalism is a reprobate heretic. C.S. Lewis obviously didn't hold that belief towards others since he held MacDonald up to such high admiration.

@kolasis4994

2 жыл бұрын

@@slyone1726 oh I know, I initially added that detail about C.S. Lewis because I knew Lewis disagreed with McDonald on the universal aspect, but it did dawn on me that he still highly regarded McDonald, so I contrasted how he treated McDonald vs. how these modern day heresy hunters treat other brothers and sister in Christ based on differing ideas. Please don’t think I was aiming it at you personally, that was never my intention.

@storba3860

Жыл бұрын

Man or Rabbit says JS Mills probably went to Heaven and he was an atheist. The Last Battle has Universalist undertones as well.

Now get David Bentley Hart for the counter arguments.

@dacoolfruit

Жыл бұрын

Better still, Robin Parry

@rauldelarosa2768

Жыл бұрын

Better than that.. let's look at the full counsel of scripture and not run to a universalist narrative. Universalist views can't consistently be scripture based.. they're based on sentimental gush and focusing only on one facet of God's multi faceted character and his attributes.

@_Tobit

Жыл бұрын

@@rauldelarosa2768 good you Made it.

@rauldelarosa2768

Жыл бұрын

@@_Tobit I'm just letting you know that universalism is contrary to what the full counsel of the Bible says.. You'd have to eliminate a lot of verses that speak of hell and it's permanence in order to be consistent with universalism. You'd have to say some scripture is not authoritative and all scripture isn't profitable.

@dacoolfruit

Жыл бұрын

@@rauldelarosa2768 have you read Robin Parry's book? It is full of Scriptural references, from which he draws his conclusions. It was not founded on sentementalism, but on scripture, and he makes a very convincing case. I highky recommend you read it before making claims that this view is not founded in Scripture.

“God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.” (2 Cor. 5:19, 20)

@harrydaniels1942

2 жыл бұрын

Magnificent!

@kennethking8091

2 жыл бұрын

What a crock of shit you're selling.

@louiseeliza3495

2 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@intothekey

Жыл бұрын

This is talking about Jesus being offered to both Jew and gentile and the context of this verse is talking about people who are already believers, the spiritual church. I love how they conviently left out the verses that provide this context and talk about the second birth. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2 Corinthians 5:17‭-‬18 KJV

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@intothekey Amen! The universalist often isolates scripture from context. They seem to have their basket full of scriptures in trying to justify their heresy.

Jesus “is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

@blue62show

8 ай бұрын

Scripture says that man is made in the image of God, that is with these characteristics which are eternal i.e life, free will, hope, faith, love. If this is true, has God made a heart of man in his image that will not love? Jesus, through whom all exist, who is there in the beginning and hovered over the deep, speaking into form with his command, who changed water into wine, and who walked upon the sea and calmed it with his words, does he not move the hearts of kings like rivers? The great command is to love God and neighbor, because this is what will be fulfilled, the answer to Jesus's prayer that we be one, one in whom and to whom all men are drawn, repenting by the goodness of God, as if salted with tongues of fire of a consummate Lord, renewing the spirit of the mind and enlightening the heart, and buy the holy Spirit every tongue praising that Jesus is Lord. So it can be possibly understood in scripture that it is not God's will that men perish, nor is it his delight, but it is his. His will that all come to know him, just as the Lord gave us to pray, "Thy will be done". God willing, all men will be saved, willingly, according to how the heart is made.

I have struggled with depression and burn out for 20 years. My family could not get a break! Me and my husband tried to live good lifes, but without God it was a struggle and a trial and error things. It felt like pushing all alone against the madness of this world! So we both got into huge mental problems. It has healed tremendously since I reverted. I can feel now more joy and love, and don't feel like I have to hold the world together, failing of course and getting very anxious because of that. I know, I'm safed now. I know the difference. The whole world is different now! I'M different! I know life without God. And it was hell. And I'm really, really thankful I did not die in that state, because I think real hell would only be worse... Btw: if anybody could please pray for my husbands conversion too, I would be so grateful! His heart has softened a bit but he still struggles to put his ego away, and talks about 'coincidences'...

@mountbrocken

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely praying!

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

Prayers. May God bless you and your household.

@dingotomtom

2 жыл бұрын

praying for you and your husband.

@braylanbelew1346

Жыл бұрын

“I know life without God. And it was hell” just wow wow wow sister. I’m praying for you right and your husband

@marcob4645

Жыл бұрын

Don’t worry sister there isn’t no Hell , hell is not scriptural.

“Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.” (Rom. 5:20)

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

Yes, But the grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age. (Titus 2:11-12) Unfortunately, there are many-- many who will not take heed to this. They will not be saved if they do not repent and totally trust Jesus for their salvation. No second chances, refiiner's fire, or purgatory. They are all lies of the evil one.

@intothekey

Жыл бұрын

The most dangerous thing in the world is a verse without context

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@intothekey Why to you is it out of context? You need to explain yourself

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@intothekey Not going to explain yourself? Then how can you engage your point of view?

@intothekey

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 Weird, I was certain I replied the other day. However it seems my comment didn't go through. I was referring to the original comment that other guy made. He's a universalist who spams comments like crazy, twisting scripture and deceiving people. Not sure if he uses bots or just has loyal followers that help boost him.

“All nations whom God has made will come and worship before Him” (Ps. 86:9)

@icecoolguita

Ай бұрын

This verse is talking about all the nations worshipping God. We know in Scripture God's mercy extended to the Gentiles. The focus of this passage is on God's glory, it's not about us.

Dr. McClymond's summation: "To be a universalist you... have to say God overrides human rejection..." Well, to be a believer in eternal torment, you have to say: 1.) Human rejection overrides Christ's power to draw all. However, Christ said "I will draw (drag) all people to Myself," (John 12:32). 2.) Darkness overrides Light. But "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it," (John 1:5). 3.) Satan overrides God's power to reconcile. But "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ..." (2 Cor 5:19). 4.) Flawed human desire overrides God's desire. But "God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth," (1 Timothy 2:3-4). 5.) Sin overrides grace. "But where sin increased, grace increased all the more..." (Romans 5:20). 6.) The state of the damned overrides the power to save. But "the living God, who is the Savior of all people..." (1 Timothy 4:10). Alisa says, "We have to derive what we know about God out of scripture." Yet I did not hear any verses concerning the topic of eternal torment until about the last ten minutes of an hour-long interview, and even then only two passages were alluded to. That was truly disappointing. I also found a similar lack of scripture in the first volume of The Devil's Redemption to be a sore disappointment. Any Christians hoping to hear a discussion based on the Bible were simply not well-served in either case.

@louiseeliza3495

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

“For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.” [Rom. 11:32]

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

Please expound on this portion of verse..."THAT HE MAY HAVE MERCY"

@christianuniversalist

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 a more literal (and accurate) 1st century Koine Greek translation is “that He might show mercy to everyone.” The word “might” here is not a descriptive verb but an imperative.

@OperationReapSinners777

Жыл бұрын

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

@JTomas96

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 The word "may" DOES NOT EXIST IN GREEK

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@JTomas96 I agree. It says "that He might". And it still does not infer in way that it is everyone regardless.

That's his best defense of endless punishment? The smoke of their torment? I was waiting for a knock down argument. That it's "forever and ever" IS NOT in the Greek text, and neither is the Greek conjunction kai "and" compounding the ages. Dr. McClymond must know that. It says εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων, "into ages ages" which is declension, like saying "it's for the ladies, the women". For the Greek reader it would look more like "into the ages, the great age". And it doesn't even say "through" the entire age in Greek, but merely "in" or "into". If you can't read the Greek text just read a literal translation, such as Young's Literal or Rotherham's Emphasized Bible. eg. "and the smoke of their torment doth go up to ages of ages" - Revelation 14:11 Young's Literal . . . okay it's a long time but infinitely less than infinity.

It's amazing how people can take something beautiful and simple and turn it into something that no one can possibly understand or take advantage of.

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

Amen it seems every church you walk into nowadays has a different gospel some say works some say faith some say works and faith if god left it up to us no one would be in hell but in his divine love mercy and justice he chose to save everyone some through faith on earth others through fire that leads to faith after earth but all reconciled in the end which is why all will willingly and gladly bow before him

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdoe7674 I actually had someone ask if I was writing under the pseudonym jdoe. I just said we mirror the same theology. I think we both view the Lake of Fire as the refiner's crucible.

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 I don’t see anything wrong with that in my opinion viewing the lake of fire as a form of correction and baptism is the most logical moral and biblical view reading all the hell texts in the New Testament in there original language takes pretty much all of the contradictions out of the Bible

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 also I’ve pretty much gave up trying to talk sense to these people it’s apparent that God has blinded them to the truth which is okay because it just means he will be all the more merciful to them in the end

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdoe7674I will encourage you to not give up. What we are spreading...is truly the Good News. And whereas someone might call you a heretic, or say sarcastic things, or belittle you, or even make claims you are going to hell, maybe that starts a process for them that will eventually lead them to the Truth. I was an Arminian for almost 45 years. CU took me over 6 months to process and study before accepting. We simply never know where other people are in their journey. I have a philosophy that I want to share and I hope it help. It goes like this: What we do...out of the goodness of our hearts...is ever diminished just because it isn't received in the way we anticipate. Therefore...I will never stop spreading the Good News. I will share it regardless of someone's theology or confirmation bias or whether or not it is accepted because I know that it comes from a place of love. If we were indifferent, we would not care. Only, we do. May God bless you and your household.

This was the first live of yours I have ever made it to! Super cool to be there live & experience it with everybody else.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17(KJV)

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive 1 Cor 15:22 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:32 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come lfrom Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; Romans 11:32 these are some of the verses Hart uses in his book.

@slyone1726

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveandmercy9664 Thomas Talbott's, The Inescapable Love of God is a good read on the subject too. Although as Alisa says, we should derive a lot of what we understand about God through scriptures, she herself seems to fail in understanding what Christ meant as recorded in scriptures when He said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?"- John 5:39-44

@susaneverett2792

2 жыл бұрын

But verses 16 and 18 of John 3 specifically mention believing in Him to be saved.

@slyone1726

2 жыл бұрын

@@susaneverett2792 Was there a denial of believing in Him to be saved mentioned in this particular thread?

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

I think John 3:16-17 is a hard proof text for any denomination. John 3:16 states "believe" and "perish", with verse 17 having a more Christian Universalist slant to it. It depends on which lens you read it. Having said that, I believe Christian Universalism has more Biblical support throughout the Bible.

These people do not seem to have the same idea as I do about universal reconciliation. They are speaking more against some new age stuff I don't believe in. I kinda feel like they do not understand the full love of God, so they speak againt it. They seem to be coming from a standpoint of fear. Maybe they are scared they will go to hell if they even entertain the idea of a God of love.

@christianuniversalist

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

Believing the wisdom and Tradition of men, not the plain words on the page presented to us in simple 5th grade English, e.g. : 1.Tim. 4:10 "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach , because we trust in the living God , who is the Saviour of all men , specially of those who believe"😢

@kimwestwood8840

4 ай бұрын

Those who die in their sins and are not born again will not be in the presence of God. The unholy cannot be in the presence of holiness. We are made holy and blameless by the washing of the blood the moment we are born again. Ephesians 1 , 1 John 3: 8-9

McClymond a Calvinist is worried about God taking away freewill. Wow, what irony.

“Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.” (2 Cor. 5:14)

@HeRedeemsUs

2 жыл бұрын

So according to you one doesn't have to have any faith at all in the atoning work of Christ on the cross? He might as well have been thrown overboard from one of the fishing vessels and drowned?

@jhq9064

Жыл бұрын

Paul wrote that, all of that. Nice strawman there... I think he likely meant along with "each in his own order" 1 Cor. 15

@blue62show

8 ай бұрын

Scripture says that man is made in the image of God, that is with these characteristics which are eternal i.e life, free will, hope, faith, love. If this is true, has God made a heart of man in his image that will not love? Jesus, through whom all exist, who is there in the beginning and hovered over the deep, speaking into form with his command, who changed water into wine, and who walked upon the sea and calmed it with his words, does he not move the hearts of kings like rivers? The great command is to love God and neighbor, because this is what will be fulfilled, the answer to Jesus's prayer that we be one, one in whom and to whom all men are drawn, repenting by the goodness of God, as if salted with tongues of fire of a consummate Lord, renewing the spirit of the mind and enlightening the heart, and buy the holy Spirit every tongue praising that Jesus is Lord. So it can be possibly understood in scripture that it is not God's will that men perish, nor is it his delight, but it is his. His will that all come to know him, just as the Lord gave us to pray, "Thy will be done". God willing, all men will be saved, willingly, according to how the heart is made.

@ragnarlothbrok2808

4 ай бұрын

You don't save yourself, Christ saves you. You think you are in charge of your own salvation...

God wants all saved, He is love, He can do whatever He wants, nothing is impossible for God, He is outside of time, He says He will do all that He desires, and He desires the salvation of all, according to the Bible, His anger will not last forever, but His mercy will, mercy triumphs over judgement, God will restore all, make all new, wipe tears from all faces, and eventually God will be "all in all". This is all in the Bible .God is love. It is His very essence, not just another one of His many qualities. It is His very core essence. It never says God is wrath, or God is holiness, or God is Justice. He is holy, just, and He get's angry, but His essence is never listed as these. But the Bible says God IS love. That is the context through which all the verses must pass. Not "God Is wrath". Not in the Bible. God Is love. He can and will do all He desires. And He says He desires the salvation of all. He is not limited by our time, He is outside of time, so no limits on God's ability to save. His arm is not too short to save, the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Jesus said, the Father loves the Son and has placed all into His hands. Jesus said all that was given Him will come to Him, and those who come to Him He will in NO wise cast out. Death will be destroyed, the lake of fire is the second death, so it will eventually cease to exist. God says He will be "All in all!"

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, to burst your bubble, but that is a one sided story from the Word of God. The Universalist have their little basket full of scriptures to push the false agenda of their belief system. The most prominent characteristic given about God is not love. "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come." (Revelation 4:8/ Isaiah 6:3) God is first HOLY. You do not fear the Lord, if you push aside all the scriptures Jesus gives regarding Hell. Yes, He was giving the reference to Gehenna, the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. But in many parables Jesus used natural pictures to give eternal truth. Yes, the garbage dump was continual burning, and so is Hell. It is not a place of "correction". It is not a place of "refiner's fire." It is not "purgatory", and it is not "age abiding". (Matthew 25:46)

“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11)

@popoffs5273

2 жыл бұрын

It's can't mean what it says it means. It can't mean that

@johndalton1043

Жыл бұрын

A lot of people add a qualifier to this scripture, as in all "kinds" of men. This opens the door to several different interpretations. However, I have yet to see a translation that says all "kinds" of men. This is a qualifier that is added. Here's another example. John the Baptist sees Jesus coming for baptism and states, "behold the Lamb of God who comes to take away the sins of the world." There are zero qualifiers when read in context. If John said the "believer" or "Jew" or "elect", I would interpret it very differently, but he doesn't.

@popoffs5273

Жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 even if you add in "all kinds" its still says all kinds of men will be saved, especially those who believe. Doesnt really help their case. Also if someone tries the "all kinds" arguement, just reply, "all kinds of men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Then tell them they just made limited atonement universalism.

@johndalton1043

Жыл бұрын

@@popoffs5273 Good stuff. I usually tell people that they are right and that there are two kinds of people, believers and non-believers, and that both are covered in this verse. I think that by saying all "kinds", then the goal is to imply any race, and loop this understanding into grace through faith where salvation is available to all kinds of races, yet all will not receive. But, again, I have yet to read any translation in English where "kinds" is implied, much less stated. It's simply an addendum added by man.

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 Nah! Just look at other scriptures on the use of the word "all". John the Baptist's ministry for one. "Then ALL the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem went out to him and were ALL baptized by him in the Jordan river, confessing their sins." (Mark 1:5) Anyone who follows sentence flow here, knows that most certainly John the Baptist did not baptize all the people in Judea. That would be crazy. It meant many people from many places. Period. And again, we have Paul standing before the Jews who were accusing him... "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches ALL men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place;" (Acts 21:28) Paul did not teach all people everywhere. Your argument falls flat.

The Total Victory of Christ has good videos on the subject of Universalism.

“This is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

@Jesus_Is_Lord257

Жыл бұрын

Wow! I've never seen this verse before, but it says exactly what it says! There's no way to refute this passage! God is so awesome!! Hallelujah!!

@mariaschinella8973

Жыл бұрын

Do you believe this is proof text in favor of Universalism? What is the good and acceptable thing that the start of the verse refers to? I just checked the ESV and NIV translations, and both use "want" and "desire" instead of "Who will have"....it's indicative of what God wants & desires, it shows His heart...that we're to pray and intercede for everyone, so that everyone would accept the gospel, because God wants everyone to be reconciled to Him...it doesn't mean they will be 🤍

@Jesus_Is_Lord257

Жыл бұрын

@@mariaschinella8973 You don't believe the KJV to be the most accurate? Have your researched the history of it's authenticity? If you haven't then I would encourage you to research this independently. Let the Holy Spirit teach you. 🙏

@OperationReapSinners777

Жыл бұрын

@@Jesus_Is_Lord257 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

@OperationReapSinners777

Жыл бұрын

Kgilesify, you are taking many verses out of context, you are absolutely wrong.

God bless you, Alisa, thank you for this discussion. But I'm afraid that the arguments made against universalism are quite silly and easily refutable by anyone with even a basic understanding of the subject matter. God bless.

@anthonybarber3872

5 ай бұрын

What makes you say that?

How is it possible to engage in a loving relationship based on fear? In normal terms, we look at relationships like that as not only dysfunctional, but down right abusive!

@MapleBoarder78

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on what someone means by “fear”. There are right ways and wrong ways to fear the Lord. Proverbs 9:10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Psalm 25:14 “The Lord confides in those who fear Him; He makes His covenant known to them. Psalm 112 “Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who finds great delight in his commandments.” Malachi 3:16 “ Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “On the day when I act”, says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. And you will look and see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.” And Jesus’ words in Luke 12:4-5 “I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes I tell you, fear him!”

@mattr.1887

Жыл бұрын

There is such a thing as healthy and appropriate fear, sure. But if most of humanity is going to be tortured eternally merely because they didn't get their doctrine right, then all the fear in the world won't save you. Even asking God sincerely wouldn't be enough. You could still into error or sin too much. It would take something more powerful than man's fear or humility alone to resolve this.

Love this conversation. I wish everyone, believers and unbelievers could view and hear this powerful and beautiful discussion. Excellence in media, content and production.

Great conversation. I really enjoyed it!

Thank you, Alisa, for making the case for universalism!

@marcusmuse4787

10 ай бұрын

AMEN!

@DavidGuess-uq1ue

9 ай бұрын

She's not making a case for it. She's acting like it's a heretical view and a slippery slope to believe it. He's saying it's nostic, which is a heretical view they are way off and should really reconsider their veiw about this.

@blue62show

8 ай бұрын

Scripture says that man is made in the image of God, that is with these characteristics which are eternal i.e life, free will, hope, faith, love. If this is true, has God made a heart of man in his image that will not love? Jesus, through whom all exist, who is there in the beginning and hovered over the deep, speaking into form with his command, who changed water into wine, and who walked upon the sea and calmed it with his words, does he not move the hearts of kings like rivers? The great command is to love God and neighbor, because this is what will be fulfilled, the answer to Jesus's prayer that we be one, one in whom and to whom all men are drawn, repenting by the goodness of God, as if salted with tongues of fire of a consummate Lord, renewing the spirit of the mind and enlightening the heart, and buy the holy Spirit every tongue praising that Jesus is Lord. So it can be possibly understood in scripture that it is not God's will that men perish, nor is it his delight, but it is his. His will that all come to know him, just as the Lord gave us to pray, "Thy will be done". God willing, all men will be saved, willingly, according to how the heart is made.

@PaxMundi118

8 ай бұрын

@@blue62show True freedom is choosing what is good. If we are truly free, we choose God. That does not mean there is not a serious price for disobedience. But it does mean we should hope with great confidence that all shall be saved. God desires it.

@PaxMundi118

8 ай бұрын

Q

“The three earliest Gnostic sects, the Basilidians, the Carpocratians and the Valentinians (A.D. 117-132) are condemned by Christian writers, and their heresies pointed out, but though they taught Universalism, that doctrine is never condemned by those who oppose them. Irenaeus condemned the errors of the Carpocratians, but does not reprehend their Universalism, though he ascribes the doctrine to them.” “Hippolytus (A.D. 320) names thirty-two known heresies, but Universalism is not mentioned as among them. Epiphanius, (310-403)“the hammer of heretics,” describes eighty heresies, but he does not mention universal salvation, though Gregory of Nyssa, an outspoken Universalist, was, at the time he wrote, the most conspicuous figure in Christendom.”

@joannakeay7343

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for setting the record straight! Hopefully more people will become aware of this history as time goes on. Sometimes it seems like such an uphill battle.

@richardwhittington6210

Жыл бұрын

Intersting Keith :-) This is from Hanson's history of Universalism. He was the last and the best of the historians of the Early Church that came from the old Universalist Church of America. Mike McClymond does allude these historians briefly in the interview and suggests that they taught that Clement and Origen got their universalism from the Gnostics and were happy to make this connection. That's not true and this quotation represents what they actually argued which is that the sects of Basilides, Carpocrates and Valentinus were all universaists; they were condemned by their orthodox opponents - but not because they were universalists. You can find this argument in Hosea Ballou 2nds History of Universalism published in 1828 also - Hanson is picking up the same argument at the end of the nineteenth century from Ballou. It's worth adding that the evidence that has been discovered since their time about Gnosticism suggest they were at least partially wrong. The school of Basilidies and Valentinus were certainln not universalist; the former imagined that only the elect would be restored while everyone else would remain outside but will be given the small mercy of total amnesia so they don't remember any desire they may have had for salvation and the loss doesn't eat them up with envy. This is clear from Hippolytus who reports in deatil about their eschatology (although sadly none of thier actual writings have survived. The relevant parts of Hippolytus were discovered after Ballou had written his history and Hanson obviously hasn't read the newly discovered parts (he only refers to having read about them in an dictionaRY of Christian thought. And, of course Clement the catious universalist was a big oppnent of Basilides - so there's no influence here anway. As for Valentinus - all of the Nag Hammadi Valentinian texts have confirmed that they were annihilationists rather than universalists: they taught that there are three classes of human beings - the spiritual, the psychics, and the fleshy. The spirituals and the psuchics that gravitate towards them are saved. The fleshy people and the psychics that gravitate towards them are annihilated. And, of course, Clement and Origen were both big opponents of the Valentinians. As for the Carpocrations - well they may have taught that every one gets through - althought we only have a brief reference in Iraneus to rely on and even he finds the story incerdible, not because everyone makes it home but because they have to commit every unspeakble crime to get out of jail as a toll to the demons that keep them imprisoned in this world. Again, Clement is helpful. He has a actual writing from the Carpocration which tells us that they actually taught that this world is good and we are free to enjoy the good things of life and therfore free love is OK. And again Clement refutes this. And it is hard to classify the Carpocrations as Gnostics anwyay - because they in Clements account they belived in the goodness of the world and the genorosity of its creator - which is not at all Gnostic.

@keatsiannightingale2025

Жыл бұрын

You lost me when you said the Valentinians taught Universalism. I’ve read Irenaeus. If you had, you’d know that they did not, nor did the Basilidians. Falsification of church history to go along with false doctrine I see. Nice.

47:35 wow, profound quote! Thank you for this discussion, very helpful and edifying!

Great discussion alisa , Thank You from the UK .

The Following Are Quotes From Early Church Fathers On Universal Restoration Clement Of Alexandria (150-215 AD) “He says that the Lord is the Propitiator, ‘not only for our sins’ - that is, for those of the faithful - ‘but also for the whole world.’ He indeed, saves all. But [He saves] some by converting them through punishments. However, those who follow voluntarily, [He saves] with dignity of honor.” “All men are Christ’s, some by knowing Him, the rest not yet. He is the Savior, now of some and the rest not. For how is He Savior and Lord, if not the Savior and Lord of all?“ Theophilus Of Antioch (168 A.D.) “And God showed great kindness to man, in this, that He did not suffer him to continue being in sin forever; but as it were, by a kind of banishment, cast him out of paradise in order that, having punishment expiated within an appointed time, and having been disciplined, he should afterwards be recalled…just as a vessel, when one being fashioned it has some flaw, is remolded or remade that it may become new and entire; so also it happens to man by death. For he is broken up by force, that in the resurrection he may be found whole; I mean spotless, righteous and immortal.” Origen (185 To 254 A.D.) He founded a school at Caesarea, and is considered by historians to be one of the great theologians and exegete of the Eastern Church. “‘Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.’ Is the ‘world’ here to be taken spiritually to mean the church? Is the taking away of sin limited to the church? If so, what are we to make of the saying of the same disciple? …. Paul’s words appear to me to be the same effect, when he says, ‘Who is the Savior of all men, especially of the faithful.” “Stronger than all the evils in the soul is the Word, and the healing power that dwells in him, and this healing He applies, according to the will of God, to every man. The consummation of all things is the destruction of evil…to quote Zephaniah: “My determination to gather the nations, that I am assemble the kings, to pour upon them mine indignation, even say all my fierce anger, for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. For then will I turn to the people a pure language that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve Him with one consent”…Consider carefully the promise, that all shall call upon the Name of the Lord, and serve him with one consent.” St. Basil The Great, (330-379 AD) “The mass of men (Christians) say there is to be an end to punishment and to those who are punished.” Gregory Of Nyssa, (335-390 AD) “For it is evident that God will in truth be all in all when there shall be no evil in existence, when every created being is at harmony with itself and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; when every creature shall have been made one body.” Diodore Of Tarsus, (???-390 AD) “For the wicked there are punishments, not perpetual, however, lest the immortality prepared for them should be a disadvantage, but they are to be purified for a brief period according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness having no end awaits them…the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave sins are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed to them.” St. Chrysostom, 398 AD “While the devil imagined that he got a hold of Christ, he really lost all of those he was keeping.” Ambrose, Bishop Of Milan (340-397 A.D.) “Our Savior has appointed two kinds of resurrection in the Apocalypse. ‘Blessed is he that hath part in the first resurrection,’ for such come to grace without the judgment. As for those who do not come to the first, but are reserved unto the second resurrection, these shall be disciplined until their appointed times, between the first and the second resurrection.” Augustine, (354-430 AD) “There are very many in our day who - though not denying the Holy Scriptures - do not believe in endless torments.” St. Jerome, (347-420 AD) “In the end and consummation of the Universe all are to be restored into their original harmonious state, and we all shall be made one body and be united once more into a perfect man and the prayer of our Savior shall be fulfilled that all may be one.” “Our Lord descends, and was shut up in the eternal bars, in order that He might set free all who had been shut up… The Lord descended to the place of punishment and torment, in which was the rich man, in order to liberate the prisoners.” Commenting on Zephaniah 3:8-10 “The nations are gathered to the Judgment, that on them may be poured out the wrath of the fury of the Lord, and this in pity and with a design to heal. in order that every one may return to the confession of the Lord, that in Jesus’ Name every knee may bow, and every tongue may confess that He is Lord. All God’s enemies shall perish, not that they cease to exist, but cease to be enemies.” Theodore Of Mopsuestia, 350-428 “The wicked who have committed evil the whole period of their lives shall be punished till they learn that, by continuing in sin, they only continue in misery. And when, by this means, they shall have been brought to fear God, and to regard Him with good will, they shall obtain the enjoyment of His grace.”

@AWT8900

9 ай бұрын

Amen brother

@blue62show

8 ай бұрын

Scripture says that man is made in the image of God, that is with these characteristics which are eternal i.e life, free will, hope, faith, love. If this is true, has God made a heart of man in his image that will not love? Jesus, through whom all exist, who is there in the beginning and hovered over the deep, speaking into form with his command, who changed water into wine, and who walked upon the sea and calmed it with his words, does he not move the hearts of kings like rivers? The great command is to love God and neighbor, because this is what will be fulfilled, the answer to Jesus's prayer that we be one, one in whom and to whom all men are drawn, repenting by the goodness of God, as if salted with tongues of fire of a consummate Lord, renewing the spirit of the mind and enlightening the heart, and buy the holy Spirit every tongue praising that Jesus is Lord. So it can be possibly understood in scripture that it is not God's will that men perish, nor is it his delight, but it is his. His will that all come to know him, just as the Lord gave us to pray, "Thy will be done". God willing, all men will be saved, willingly, according to how the heart is made.

Since by man came death, by man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all died, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:22)

@kimwestwood8840

4 ай бұрын

Daniel 12:2 KJV 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

@AlyoshaKaramazov.

Ай бұрын

@@kimwestwood8840 It is not everlasting; that is a mistranslation. Look it up for yourself in a Greek Interlinear New Testament.

@kimwestwood8840

Ай бұрын

@@AlyoshaKaramazov. The point is that those who belong to Jesus have eternal life John 3-4 times John 6- twice John 10- twice

A case actually can be made that Irenaeus himself was a "universalist." Now when I refer to universalism I'm not denying the existence of hell which scripture clearly teaches only it's eternality. The Latin word “æterna” is used for this quote in Irenaeus: “thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal [æterna]”. Whenever “æterna” is being used, the Greek word typically translated as “eternal” by mistake is aionion or aionios. So it can be translated as: “thus also the corrective chastisement of those who deny the Word of God, and reject His advent (maybe presence), and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also great [in quality].” The chastisement of their turning away is temporal but also extreme in quality, concerning their afterlife experience. This is what he meant in regard to the fate of the dead who denied Christ. A temporal but great remedial chastisement. With respect to Dr. McClymond I'm not sure if we can necessarily conclude hell itself is true separation from God. Isaac of Nineveh for example argued hell really was the same place as heaven but that it only feels like hell to those who are rejecting God's love which actually makes a lot of sense if we look at the story of Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) and David himself affirming that even in the depths God is there (Psalms 139:7-10).

Great video! Such an important message.

When representing everything as Christ... it wouldn't be him drinking Christ from his cup... It would be Christ drinking Christ from his Christ. No matter how ridiculous that sounds, it's even more ridiculous than we could imagine.

I mean, there are many scriptural references which sound universalist: "The son of man came to save what is lost" Luke 19:10 "And when I am lifted up, I will drag all men to me." John 12:32 "This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. " 1 Timothy 2:3b-4 "For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone." Romans 11:32 "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22 "For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. " Colossians 1:19-20

@Jordan-hz1wr

2 жыл бұрын

SSSSHHHHHH. You're supposed to be a good evangelical and ignore those passages.

@gregorytoews8316

2 жыл бұрын

Not only is universalism conceptually unattractive to all manner of believer, it's unattractive to thinking unbelievers.

@harrydaniels1942

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregorytoews8316 What do you mean?

@Jordan-hz1wr

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregorytoews8316 “It is not the way of the compassionate maker to create rational beings in order to hand them over mercilessly to unending affliction and punishment for things of which he knew even before they were fashioned, aware of how they would turn out when he created them, and whom nonetheless he created.” -- St Isaac of Nineveh: Ascetical Homilies

@gregorytoews8316

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-hz1wr it is the way of the compassionate maker to give us agency. No agency, no love.

Without having someone on this panel to debate both sides in my opinion with all do respect doesn't give any clarity, and opinions aren't finding any solutions by debate, this is just giving confirmation to what you already believe, the reason I say everyone that doesn't completely repent for there sins is going to hell for eternity and no matter if you murder or just do cocaine your whole life you go to hell for eternity that would make no sense, a murder doesn't get the same sentence as a drug addict, with that being said this is why a panel needs both sides to debate and actually make progress, god bless and remember lets spread love and compassion and together we can remove hate 🙏

Many of the churches mentioned below are still around today. Here is a brief overview of their current status: 1. Universalist Church of America (now Unitarian Universalist Association): The Universalist Church of America merged with the American Unitarian Association in 1961 to form the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA). The UUA continues to exist and represents a liberal religious tradition that incorporates both Unitarian and Universalist heritages. 2. Unity Church: Unity is still an active New Thought Christian movement with churches and centers worldwide. They continue to promote spiritual growth and the concept of universal love and acceptance. 3. Community of Christ: The Community of Christ (formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - RLDS Church) is a denomination with a significant presence, particularly in the United States and other countries. They have a progressive theological approach and emphasize inclusivity and community involvement. 4. United Church of Christ (UCC): The UCC remains a prominent Protestant denomination in the United States. It has a diverse range of theological perspectives among its congregations, some of which may lean towards Universalist beliefs. 5. Liberal Quakerism: Liberal Quaker meetings and churches continue to exist, with a focus on inclusivity and spiritual exploration. 6. Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship: The Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship represents Christians within the Unitarian Universalist Association who hold Christian beliefs, including some with Universalist leanings. While the names and organizational structures may have evolved over time, the core beliefs and principles of these churches and movements persist in various forms. As with any religious tradition, individual congregations may interpret and practice their beliefs in unique ways, contributing to the ongoing diversity within these denominations.

I agree that Universalism is wrong but don't Calvinists believe that God overrides freewill?

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

Calvinists do not believe in spontaneousness, meaning that they do not believe there is a spontaneous choices without biases and natural inclinations. Every decision we make is a result of our nature and a desire we had according to that nature. Also, a desire to sin is always based on a selfish corrupted nature. God cannot force us to do something but He can humble us down and make us desire the right things.

Alisa, if you actually want to have a meaningful discussion on this topic, you need to bring on scholars like David Bentley Hart, Ilaria Ramelli, or Robin Perry instead of people who simply confirm your own forgone conclusions. Because every single point made in this video is EASILY refutable.

@kevindixonmusic4835

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, Dr. Michael did not make very good arguments against universalism, and he missed addressing the bulk of scripture that speak directly or show pictures of God saving all (God is the saviour of all men, every knee will bow, etc). Not to mention the "hell" mistranslations, identifying fire is a symbol throughout the bible (especially in Revelations) etc. And then there are the simple philosophical and logical arguments; God is good, merciful, just, and LOVE; yet he purposes most of His creation to be tormented/tortured forever... really? This is good news that will bring great joy to all people? The angels knew what it was about in Luke 2:10.

@Jordan-hz1wr

Жыл бұрын

@@kevindixonmusic4835 Precisely, and sadly, this is the mass cognitive dissonance of evangelicalism as a whole today. They attempt to affirm all 3 propositions, yet only 2 of which can be true simultaneously: 1. God freely created ex-nihilo 2. God is love 3. God created a place of unending suffering and allows even the possibility that 1 person ends up there. Thankfully I take solace in the eastern tradition which produced the likes of such saints as St. Isaac of Nineveh “It is not the way of the compassionate maker to create rational beings in order to hand them over mercilessly to unending affliction and punishment for things of which he knew even before they were fashioned, aware of how they would turn out when he created them, and whom nonetheless he created.” -- St Isaac of Nineveh, Ascetical Homilies

@DJK-cq2uy

Жыл бұрын

Two feeble minded louts feedin the ignorance if one another. Pffft

@sandersthornburgh127

8 ай бұрын

Indeed. Childers is notoriously cowardly in her refusal to ever debate with (or even dialogue with) anyone who doesn't accept her bad news false gospel.

@jhq9064

4 ай бұрын

Amen, once losing, her income may decrease and that would hamper her upper middle class gravy train and especially her ego.

I think most of us don’t have the correct view of a Holy God and the correct view of how heinous our sins against him and others really are. Why shouldn’t God choose what punishment his creation receives? He is just. We all deserve hell, but we have been given a lifeline in Jesus Christ, and all we have to do is hold on to it/Him to be saved. It’s not complicated, and no one has an excuse to not do so. We, by our own desire, sin, selfishness, and flawed human reasoning try to tell God what is good and fair and we get it wrong.

@epsyuma

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. No one will enter heaven who deserves to be there. No one will enter hell who does not.

@zackrangeley9766

2 жыл бұрын

I just screen-shotted this, it was written with such clarity and depth. Thank you!

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

Some Christians seems to be so easy, so content when it comes to most people ending into eternal torment of the lake of fire, while other Christians are not easy on that at all. So why some goes so easy with it as if it not problem? I believe it is because some Christians has a little bit of Pharisee in them, they do not look at the foundation of Gods nature, which is Love and Justice, they rather read the scriptures and goes with them by the letter, without pondering the contradictions it creates. Other Christians, first, looks at God's core nature, they look at God being Love at most and Just to be the least, and therefore are not easy on eternal torment at all, because it contradicts Gods nature. Perfectly just judgement would be as it is said through out the scriptures when God says "i will repay everyone according to their deeds" or "what you sow is what you reap" or "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" where the harm you have done to others, would be the harm done to you, which means an 8 years old child who stole a candy bar, would receive his own just judgement looking at the harm he has caused, a guy who cheats on his wife, would receive his own judgement according to the harm he has done, another guy who kidnaps children, rapes and kills them, would receive his own judgement according to the harm he has done, a demon who is responsible for thousands of people falling into sexual immorality, deserves his judgement and Satan who is the king of all evil deserve his own judgement and so on, each and every being in the universe, would receive their own personal judgement, according to what they have done in their lives. Now that is the perfect just judgement. Since even Satan, the evil of all evils is a finite being, who began to exist, who has a date when he began to do evil and will have a date when God will stop him doing evil, this means that even his iniquities are finite, even his sins are measurable, countable, meaning that even his punishment suppose to be finite. Therefore if the judgement of Satan would be to receive the punishment which would be the lowest pits of the lake of fire in the most torturous condition universally achievable for the next 500 trillion years, we should not even blink an eye, we should say bring it on, lets judge him, but if his punishment is truly and endless conscious torment, never ending suffering, everything breaks down, the foundation like justice goes out of the window, the foundation like mercy goes out of the window, the core foundation - Love, goes out of the window. Everything what God suppose to represent fundamentally cease from existing in the moment, when endless conscious torment is mentioned. Justice and eternal torment cannot co-exist together, justice and endless torment is a flat out contradiction. Once again, some Christians has no care about this, because they don't like to think, other Christians knows very well that this is a serious fundamental problem which could be solved only if those places in the Bible where it is said about torment forever and ever are not literally true but an exaggerations, a hyperbolic language.

@zackrangeley9766

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikokapanen82 The only issue with what you have said is you stated that it would be morally wrong for God to send people to hell forever, but wouldn’t it be wrong to allow sin to enter heaven? Letting unforgiven sinful people into heaven, wouldn’t that make Him unjust if he were to be unjust? Not punishment for peoples sins in hell.

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

@@zackrangeley9766 As a John Macarthurs commentary mentions after this verse: "If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9 that this confession is not a mere acknowledgement that He is God and that He is Lord of the universe, since even demons acknowledge that to be true, it is rather a personal conviction, without reservation, that Jesus is that persons own full scale master. So then why did Jesus said that eventually (which didnt happened yet), EVERY KNEE will bow and EVERY MOUTH will confess that Jesus is Lord? Will this future moment be a mere acknowledgement from demons that Jesus is Lord? But isnt that already the case? Doesnt demons already acknowledge that Jesus is Lord? Of course they do. So what these words of Jesus, "EVERY KNEE, EVERY MOUTH will confess His lordship" actually mean is fundamentally more than just a mere acknowledgement. All creation, every sinner, every demon included, will literally be humbled down to the point where no pride, no rebellion, no opposition against God will be left at all, it will be a complete and utter surrender before the Creator of the universe, out of their heart, soul, mind and strength. It will be a moment when every single idol, every single focus away from God, will disappear forever from an entire universe.

Thank you as always, Alisa. 🙏🏼

“God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things on earth or in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross. Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in His sight, without blemish and free from accusation.” (Col. 1:19, 21, 22)

@ursulasweeney4239

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and I love this scripture: 1 Timothy 4:10 "For to this end we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of all men, especially of those who believe." ("especially", not exclusively)

@joannakeay7343

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for posting all of these Bible verses, Keith! It fills up one of the black holes left by the video. Now if someone would comment concisely and fill up the black hole created by the lack of logic in this video...and in The Devil's Redemption. Christians really do deserve better!

@kimwestwood8840

4 ай бұрын

IN context this is written to born again believers.

To examine this Biblical position of Universalism we will not look at a single one of the 76 Scriptures that support Universalism but will instead build a few strawmen for your entertainment as we knock them down. Don't you feel safe now?

@OperationReapSinners777

Жыл бұрын

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

@kensey007

8 ай бұрын

​@@OperationReapSinners777You didn't cite a single verse that refutes universalism.

@computationaltheist7267

4 ай бұрын

​@@kensey007It is very easy to refute that heresy. Universalism are heretics.

How can you, in all sincerity, enjoy heavenly bliss while just one fellow human being (let alone a beloved human being) is suffering everlasting torment?

We are called to love all because of LOVE itself, because it’s good, not for reward or punishment. I am definitely not an Ultra Universalist, I am more of a purgationist, or restorationist. We must repent at some point, I just believe that all will repent eventually, in this life or the next.

My daughter was sexually assaulted as a teenager, and a major subsequent event took place afterwards. The counselor she sought help from used the opportunity to deconstruct her Christian faith by perverting scripture, replacing her central identity with Liberalism and government. It is heartbreaking to see. There is nothing that I have done or said that did not push her further into the arms of Satan, no matter how gentle I am. It's been a real mystery what they have cemented in her head. What books, resources can you recommend for helping? I grieve all the time.

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

I would sit down with her and explain the definition of confirmation bias. I would attempt to explain that sometimes we read or hear foreign or new information and then proceed as if that "knowledge" becomes our truth. We then act as if we have exclusive rights to the truth. But...truth is not always synonymous with belief. You can believe a lot of things that aren't truth. In other words, I would give her the tools to analyze new information critically. Understanding a new perspective and being willing to receive new information does not mean she has to agree with everything said. That's a choice. You and I both know the cure is Jesus Christ. So, I would encourage critical thinking and pray that God grants her wisdom. My prayer for your daughter is wisdom...and peace. Many times we blame God for man's atrocities. We view God as all-powerful and able to prevent us from suffering... and if this doesn't happen then it can change our perspective. We ask ourselves...why didn't God rescue me? I was innocent! I believe each person goes through this process at some stage in life for various reasons. The only cure that I know is in the love of Jesus Christ. I pray she uses deductive reasoning and critical thinking to understand that Christ is the cure. I don't know why we suffer. I honestly don't. Lessons? I just know my heart and life are in a better place when I turn my suffering over to a God who loves me. In this manner, the love of Christ is the cure for all of my suffering. Since we are all living the human condition, my cure...and your cure...can be your daughter's cure too. I don't have the answer for suffering, but I know the cure. I have come to the conclusion that happiness is a CHOICE. That doesn't mean we don't suffer. It means we are given a choice as to how we perceive suffering. It can make us bitter and resentful...or align us with a greater love. For me, personally, I was an extremely bitter man after my wife died. I had a death wish for a while. And I was going to remain bitter, no matter how much my family prayed for me, until I made happiness a choice and turned my anger over to a God who loves me. Will you please share this post with your daughter? How you perceive suffering can and will dictate who you will become. No therapist (myself included) is going to lead you to a love greater than God. This is my subjective truth, based on the objective truth that suffering exists. You don't have my experiences and I don't have yours, but suffering is suffering. That's where we connect. If I have suffered, and feel like I now know the cure, then I desire to tell you because I want to you to find that same peace. You can find a love that is above and beyond all suffering as soon as you make love a choice. You are loved...and worthy of being loved...and worthy of being respected. Is this not the greatest of truths? You know that what happened to you was WRONG. Wouldn't this understanding point you straight to objective morality?

@sarafinaleade6124

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 Thank you. I have been praying. I'm working on how to navigate the radical feminism exterior. She needs all the prayer possible. I'm also praying for myself that God will give me the ability to keep my emotions in check so that my concern and grief does not appear to alter the fact that I love her.

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarafinaleade6124 Absolutely. I have an 18 year old daughter and almost all of her friends are homosexual. I've given the objective morality speech several times, but you're right about keeping the emotions in check. That's a struggle for me as well. So I make honest attempts to lay it all out in as neutral and non-threatening way as possible. It's hard because those are her friends...and yet I adamantly disagree with their lifestyle. I want her to love her friends, but reject the lifestyle...and that's a delicate balance. We love our daughters...and because of this we have to try. But trying often times leads to rejection. So I have a philosophy I want to share. What we do...out of the goodness of our heart...in never diminished just because it isn't received in the way we anticipate. In other words, you're doing the right thing because it comes from a place of love.

@sandersthornburgh127

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps your daughter is not rejecting Jesus, but rejecting the kind of toxic theologies put forth by people like Alisa Childers. This video is once again revealing how Alisa Childers and her Infernalist guests are people who manufacture Strawman arguments and mischaracterize the theologians and beliefs she opposes. Alisa Childers cowardly refuses to ever debate (or even dialogue) with anyone who doesn't agree with her warped fundamentalist positions and distortions of historic Christianity. Her false god is a monster-god who creates a "place" called hell to torture souls endlessly. Her bad news false gospel creates enormous emotional suffering and induces children into mental illness, as well as others who are subjected to her fear-based toxic monster-god theology. For those who believe in the detestable false doctrine of eternal conscious torment, it would be morally evil for them to ever bring children into the world. The fact that they do have children, demonstrates that on some subconscious level, even they do not really believe the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment that they give lip service to. The God of the Bible is the Savior of all, whose sovereign will to save all is not thwarted in the end. The redmeptive process continues on beyond the grave. Jesus is ultimately victorious in His mission to save all of us from the hells of our own making. In the ultimate scheme of things, "every knee will bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ to the glory of God." He will be "ALL IN ALL." Ultimate Love is ultimately persuasive.

@blue_blue-1

7 ай бұрын

I am praying for you! Believe!

“But there are not a few who would be indignant at having their belief in God questioned, who yet seem greatly to fear imagining Him better than He is.” - George MacDonald

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

David Bently Hart quotes Macdonald a lot in his book.

@slyone1726

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveandmercy9664 Many writers have been heavily influenced by the works and sermons of George MacDonald even including many atheistic writers. Maybe none more so than C.S. Lewis. Lewis even compiled a collection of some of MacDonald's work in his book, George MacDonald An Anthology: 365 Readings. Lewis had many things to say about him such has... “Every now and then there occurs in the modern world-a Kafka or a Novalis-who can make such a story. MacDonald is the greatest genius of this kind whom I know.”- Lewis “Myth does not essentially exist in words at all...It gets under our skin, hits us at a level deeper than our thoughts or even our passions, troubles oldest certainties till all questions are reopened, and in general shocks us more fully awake than we are for most of our lives.”- Lewis “I have never written a book in which I did not quote from him.”- Lewis "I know hardly any other writer who seems to be closer, or more continually close, to the Spirit of Christ Himself."- Lewis

We all need to understand and prepare us for the spiritual battle that is coming

There is surely a middle ground where universalism is wrong but we have still greatly underestimated the extent of God's mercy, brilliance, and power.

@sandersthornburgh127

8 ай бұрын

Ultimately it was scripture itself which persuaded me towards the true gospel of universal reconciliation in Christ. This video is once again revealing how Alisa Childers and her Infernalist guests are people who manufacture Strawman arguments and mischaracterize the theologians and beliefs she opposes. Alisa Childers cowardly refuses to ever debate (or even dialogue) with anyone who doesn't agree with her warped fundamentalist positions and distortions of historic Christianity. Her false god is a monster-god who creates a "place" called hell to torture souls endlessly. Her bad news false gospel creates enormous emotional suffering and induces children into mental illness, as well as others who are subjected to her fear-based toxic monster-god theology. For those who believe in the detestable false doctrine of eternal conscious torment, it would be morally evil for them to ever bring children into the world. The very fact that they do have children, demonstrates that on some subconscious level, even they do not really believe the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment that they give lip service to. Anyone who really believed in the deplorable doctrine of eternal conscious torment would never risk bringing children into the world who might themselves be endlessly tormented. The God of the Bible is the Savior of all, whose sovereign will to save all is not thwarted in the end. The redemptive process continues on beyond the grave. Jesus is ultimately victorious in His mission to save all of us from the hell of our own making. In the ultimate scheme of things, "every knee will bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ to the glory of God." He will be "ALL IN ALL." Ultimate Love is ultimately persuasive.

People need to understand God is in control.That they are not in charge. God decides .I trust God.❤️✝️❤️🙏

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham. Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring. Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God. Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God. Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God. Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever. Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him. Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation. Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall. Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him. Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness. Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him. Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least. Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate. Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent. Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever. Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost. Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people. Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation. John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world. John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ. John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live. John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him. John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself. John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world. John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him. Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything. Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness. Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men. Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ. Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all. 2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself. Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ. Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe. Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit) Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ. 1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted? 1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe. Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men. Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone. 1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice of the sins of the whole world. 1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works. The doctrine of eternal damnation denies the victory of Christ! 1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world. Revelations 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ). Revelations 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new

@ahskincare3150

2 жыл бұрын

I know all things will work out the way God wants.I trust God.I love God’s word.I don’t believe in eternal punishing.God is love.God is good.I love God first because God first loved me.❤️✝️❤️🙏

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@ahskincare3150 But God is Holy, Righteous, and Just also. Psalm 19:9 says, "The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; THE JUDGMENTS OF THE LORD are true and righteous altogether. God loves, but God also hates: Psalm 5:5/ Psalm 7:11/ Psalm 11:5/ Proverbs 6:16-19)

“If anyone’s work which he has built endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved yet so as through fire.” (1 Cor. 3:14, 15)

@tatie7604

2 жыл бұрын

Out of context.

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

This passage of scripture is the judgment of the works of the saints of God, and no one else.

@christianuniversalist

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 no it’s not. It’s addressing anyone who dies.

@sandersthornburgh127

8 ай бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 Nope. This passage of scripture clearly demonstrates that the Fire of God is salvific in purpose. The Lake of Fire annihilates all that is evil and false within the soul, leaving behind only the True Self which was created in the image of God. Even hell itself is ultimately annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

@christophergibson7155

8 ай бұрын

@@christianuniversalist Incorrect. All of 2nd. Corinthians Chapter 5 is addressed to only the believers in Christ.

I think the redemption of Lucifer would be an amazing event. Imagine Lucifer finally lamenting his evil and asking God and all of us forgiveness.

0:01 God overrides human rejection all the time. ie, the Holy Spirit works on people's hearts to change them...does He not? Why is that not possible after death? ie, even if it took a million years to change someone's heart and mind. Or is God so weak that He can't do that?

This was interesting, thank you. I have been off Instagram for a couple of weeks but before that there was a popular Christian account that starting sharing universalists views they believed were correct, and they’d always reference church fathers they were studying. I like learning the history and seeing that even then, their views were not accepted publicly by the church. This is helpful! I can totally see the appeal to this belief, it’s more comfortable, for sure.

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

Christian Universalism was rejected as heresy in the 5th or 6th century (can't remember which), but it came at the orders of an emperor, not the bishop or the people. 4 of the first 6 earliest schools of theology were CU. So whereas CU does not jive with most modern denominations, it has no issue with historic Christianity. There were other views on eschatology, but even Augustine admits CU was the main theology among believers.

@onua3963

Жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 And apparently it was for Paul too. Tom Talbott makes a good case for Pauline universalism.

@johndalton1043

Жыл бұрын

@@onua3963 Agreed. Talbott points out the symmetrical parallelism of Paul that I find extremely compelling. This is Romans 5:18-19 broken down to show Paul's writing style. The first man is Adam. The second man is Jesus. 1) Consequently then / Thus also 2) by the offense of one / by the righteousness of one 3) judgement came upon / the free gift came upon 4) all men / all men 5) By one man's offense / By the obedience of one 6) the many were made / the many will be made 7) sinners / righteous I agree with Talbot when he basically states that if Paul were to change the scope of the "all" in the middle of a compound sentence of parallel structure, he would impossible to understand. We see this pattern again in Corinthians 15:22. 1) For even as / thus also 2) in Adam / in Christ 3) all are dying / shall all be made alive

@onua3963

Жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 Good to see another Talbott reader in the comments :) Yeah it's hard to deny, as Talbott says, the clear universalist thrust of Romans, particularly around those verse in 5:18-19. And just before that Paul makes quite a big deal about the fact that the redemption of Adam's sin will be a far, far greater positive than the initial negative effect of that sin (something quite hard to achieve if the scope is more limited than the number of people effected by that first sin, which is already everyone). If Paul is right in his "how much more" claims about Christ's work, universalism most plainly follows.

@johndalton1043

Жыл бұрын

@@onua3963 That's an excellent point! It's so refreshing to meet another CU. I'd like your opinion on something I've been working on if you are willing. What Talbott did for me, in particular, was to lay out a philosophical position that I have yet to see refuted by an atheist, Calvanist or fundamentalist. 1) God is all loving and desires for all to come to repentance 2) God is sovereign and all powerful 3) Eternal conscious torment/annihilation Calvanist reject position 1 and hold positions 2 and 3. God is all powerful, but not all loving as He will only save those he elects. (predeterminism/ ECT / annihilation (Chris Date). Fundamentalist reject position 2 and hold positions 1 and 3. God is all loving and wants to save all of mankind, but man has free will that will supercede God's desires and therefore God is not all powerful. (ECT) CUs accept propositions 1 and 2 and reject 3. God loves all, has the power and desire to save all, and nothing will prevent it. A lot of Calvanist and fundamentalists claim CU is heresy, but this presents a real conundrum, as positions 1 and 2 are Orthodox positions in and of themselves. There is a mountain of scripture to support position 1. There is a mountain of scripture to support position 2. Position 3 is mostly hyperbole, symbols, and parables. Conclusion: If proposition 3 is true, then either position 1 or 2 is false. Conclusion: Whatever position 3 ultimately entails, it cannot be in conflict with positions 1 or 2. Conclusion: CUs believe that in the end God will reconcile all of mankind to Himself. This view is not in conflict with positions 1 or 2.

Jesus “was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world.” (John 1:9)

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Jesus "gives light" but Jesus also said, "For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." (John 3:20)

@jhq9064

Жыл бұрын

Just not" forever" if John 12:32 is true, I believe it is -"each in his own order" 1 Cor. 15

@jhq9064

Жыл бұрын

That was @Christopher btw

Excellent, thank you both very much. Yes, the Great Divorce is eye opening.

Thank you so much for what you do

Thank you for this. I’ve had discussions about this doctrine with Christian friends. I can’t see my way past the numerous references to hell in the Bible to disbelieve in it, but my friends are convinced. I think that part of the problem is that we don’t really understand how incredibly wicked it is to reject the Son of God.

@MarkWCorbett1

2 жыл бұрын

I think hell makes more sense when we understand the biblical doctrine of conditional immortality.

@reganbarnes6424

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkWCorbett1 By conditional immortality, do you mean that the lost do not live forever? If so, what do you make of Jesus' words in Mark 9? Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

@MarkWCorbett1

2 жыл бұрын

@@reganbarnes6424 , yes, I mean that the lost do not live forever. They perish (John 3:16). Concerning Mark 9, Jesus was quoting from the last verse in Isaiah where the worms and fire are not tormenting living people. Rather, they are disposing of dead bodies. This is explicit in the text. And there is nothing in the context of Mark 9 to cause us to think the meaning is different. ESV Isaiah 66:24 "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham. Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring. Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God. Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God. Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God. Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever. Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him. Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation. Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall. Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him. Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness. Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him. Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least. Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate. Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent. Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever. Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost. Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people. Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation. John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world. John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ. John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live. John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him. John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself. John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world. John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him. Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything. Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness. Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men. Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ. Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all. 2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself. Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ. Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe. Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit) Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ. 1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted? 1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe. Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men. Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone. 1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice of the sins of the whole world. 1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works. The doctrine of eternal damnation denies the victory of Christ! 1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world. Revelations 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ). Revelations 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new

@kolasis4994

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdoe7674 thank you for this list!!! Psalm 145 hit me especially, as just a couple days ago I was reflecting in my heart on the Goodness of God and wrote these words down: "God, in creating "Creation" knows how to communicate with every aspect of it. And us, both objects of His Love, and a part of His Creation, fall into that who He knows how to communicate to. It is through the voice of Mercy He communicates to us most deeply, as it is our deepest shames and regrets (those we are too ashamed to speak to others) that He understands most (as our High Priest) but of which we must be honest with ourselves and with God. It is in the honest confession of the sins we've committed that we receive the tender love and Mercy of God. Left unconfessed, we are left with the shame, and fear of judgement, but Mercy triumphs over judgement."

The Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the world.” (John 6:33)

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

"But as many as RECEIVED HIM, to them He gave the right to become the children of God, TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE in His Name." (John 1:12)

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@WhatYouTalkinBout "And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

I love when he says universalists are taking on literal interpretations like it’s a bad thing.

Override free will? Did God override Paul’s free will on the road to Damascus? Did He override the disciples free will when He appeared to them after He resurrected?

Actually, the first Christian Universalist was Jesus, and then the Apostle Paul.

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

That is an outright lie, with no scriptural foundation. You have been deceived.

@kevindixonmusic4835

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 Jesus is called Saviour of the World, the lamb who takes away the sin of the world, destroying the works of the devil, and defeating sin & death. Death has no victory because this was God's plan; God wills to have all men be saved, and God is the saviour of all people, especially believers. There is a lot of weight behind those scriptures.

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@kevindixonmusic4835 How about all the other scriptures? "And these shall go into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46) The word is the same in greek for "everlasting" and "eternal" It means forever, without ceasing. The Universalist's phony one-sided, lop-sided belief system, falls over like a deck of cards when the Holy Spirit blows upon it.

@kevindixonmusic4835

Жыл бұрын

@@christophergibson7155 I just explained it in another post for this same video. Sorry it doesn't fall over like a deck of cards. Really. Dig into it further. It is the only way good news is possible. Look up the book "Hope Beyond Hell" if you ever get to a place in your life where hell no longer makes sense to you.

@christophergibson7155

Жыл бұрын

@@kevindixonmusic4835 You need to go back to the Bible. It's the only real source of life. Gnostic authors and Universalist's can not give you the answers that the Lord has for you. The cultivation of the intellect is always enmity against the wisdom of God. Meditate on 1 Corinthians Chapter 2 for some real insight.

Is there a video on how is it Christians who have the same Holy Spirit come up with different opinions for example pre-trib mid-trib etc. If asking God in genuine faith for wisdom and coming up with complete different ideas. I am struggling with this..

@rebekahguilder602

2 жыл бұрын

Also, there are mysteries of God that we will never know. The bible tells us that no one will know the exact time of Jesus's return.

She says that she wants us to "identify the core beliefs of Christianity". OK, how about things like the Nicene Creed which has been considered for centuries to explain "the core beliefs of Christianity". It appears that folks like Alisa Childers don't know or don't care that many of the Church Fathers who created the Nicene Creed believed in Christian Universalism!

38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow-not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below-indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Not even hell, nothing, nada, zilch!!)

Hi Alisa (and I hope you see this), many thanks for this podcast and other such that have been a great blessing. I'm not in support of universalism that erases any form of punishment or consequence for sin. However, there are several references in the Bible to salvation for everyone (not just Christians but everyone). I'll share them here and would love to hear your thoughts on how they correlate with the idea of eternal judgement on those who don't accept Christ, especially those who had never heard of Him. Notice the use of absolute terms in the passages below. Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteously act came righteousness leading to life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of one man many will be made righteous. Romans 5:18‭-‬19 NET For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22 NET so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow - in heaven and on earth and under the earth - and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 NET

@dianaabasiokop5762

2 жыл бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 Hi, are you referring to my post or something else? I'm not sure I follow because the Bible is very clear about what sin is.

@popoffs5273

2 жыл бұрын

To add on the every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. 1 Corinthians 12:3 ESV - Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

@dianaabasiokop5762

2 жыл бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 What does this even mean?

@popoffs5273

2 жыл бұрын

@@lepidoptera9337 no, I'm say that every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord, and no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit, therefore everybody will have the Holy Spirit. Thus everyone will be saved

@keatsiannightingale2025

Жыл бұрын

@@popoffs5273It’s a clever syllogism from Scriptural statements, but it’s still erroneous nonetheless. You are making the bold assumption that everyone is confessing Jesus is lord from a perspective of genuine worship and not by sheer force of might. Yes, everyone will bow and confess, but the sheep and the goats will be doing so, I suspect, for very different reasons.

... love love love this segment; to summerise the reasons for rejection of ‘universal’ salvation, if I’m not mistaken, are; ‘scripture’;’tradition’;and,’human-experience’. Correct me if I’m wrong. To express this line of rhetorical argumentation to an expression of ‘reductio-ad-absurdum’, it sounds like, the reaction that the brother had, when the ‘prodigal-son’ returned to the loving embracing household of their father; the brother was indignant - disappointed that his brother wasn’t rejected,[and seemingly,properly ‘punished’ to the ‘satisfaction’ of the brother] and that he wasn’t distinctly ‘rewarded’ for being within his father’s household all that time. Did I get that right ?

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

I think a lot depends on the lens with which we read scripture. For a Christian Universalist, there is massive scriptural support in both the Old and New Testament for this theology. CU's grant God 100 percent love and 100 power. That doesn't mean CU's don't believe in free will/"hell", but it does mean that we do not believe that man's free will trumps God's will. So, for example, if the Bible states that God wants/desires for all to come to repentance, we would claim God's will/desire can never be denied. The CU position would point to 3 separate texts that claim every knee will bow and tongue confess. Here the term confess means to give praise or thanks, and we do not limit the scope of "every". Will people give praise before being annihilated or sent to hell for eternity? That seems to posit something that goes against human nature, but I can see all giving praise if we've been shown mercy. Paul states that God has consigned all to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all. CU's do not limit the scope of the "all" in this text. Further, instead of defining "may" as something God "might do", or "could do", or "may or may not do", we would define this as something God "can and will do". It just depends on the lens with which the text is read. One should ask themselves...if God IS love...is this compatible with eternal conscience torment? For me, personally, I would have to change the definition of love for that to be the case. Therefore, I had to reevaluate why God punishes. Is it vendictive or remedial punishment? If it's vendictive...then that is not love. If it's Kolosis/remedial, via equal measure punishment, then it serves the purpose of punishing for the sake of the individual because it is in equal measure to the sin. That is love because it provides a lesson, and by virtue cleans and restores a soul Another example, John the Baptist states, behold the Lamb of God who comes to take away the sins of the world. If this text said "take away the sins of the Jew" or "takes away the sins of the believer" or "takes away the sins of the elect", then I would read it under a completely different lens. You see? So when I read the parable of the lost sheep...and I see that the Good Shepherd will actively seek to save that which is lost... I'm reading this under the lens of Christian Universalism. CU is in plain view once the Bible is read with this understanding. In short, we all have a confirmation bias for how we read the text. When I read the Bible, God is 100 percent love AND 100 percent powerful. I spent over 6 months wrestling with CU from an Arminian position. I thought it was Hersey. Just being honest. That was my initial assessment. The reason I converted was because I could not debunk it. It wasn't a lightbulb moment for me. I had to really dive in and chew on this one a while. In Isaiah we read that the daughters of Sodom will be restored. Yet, Sodom was annihilated. There are no Sodomite descendants. So how are they restored without post mortem redemption? I don't know how. Post mortem redemption is the only option we have left. Then we have specific details in Isaiah who claims that God will "heal all people of all nations". Understanding a position is not agreeing with it. If you want additional information, you can Google CU scriptures and you might be just as surprised as I was. The scripture speaks for itself. If you read the list of scriptural support, you will at least understand the position. You might not agree with it, but at least you will have a better understanding. God bless.

@Jordan-hz1wr

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 The entire western argument has been tainted by the argument of "free will". I argue, as does David Bentley Hart, that libertarian "free will" is not true freedom. We are not free simply because we can choose. We are only free when we choose well. Which is precisely how Jesus himself defines freedom. "Everybody sinning is a slave to sin. But you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." He equates truth with freedom. The fact that our will CAN choose does not mean it is free. Only when we choose according to the truth of our being are we set free.

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-hz1wr I'm trying to digest this fully. There might be an issue of symantics that I'm having trouble hurdling, so let's see. If you mean that man has freedom of choice, but that freedom of choice does not necessarily mean those choices lead to truth...and by virtue cannot lead to truly being free until that moment comes, then I agree.

@Jordan-hz1wr

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndalton1043 Correct. Sorry if I did not make sense. Essentially, most modern people follow the libertarian model of freedom, instead of the intellectualist model.

@johndalton1043

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-hz1wr I didn't know those were the lines I was drawing, so thanks for the insight. I am saying truth is not always synonymous with belief...and that rationalism would make an all loving God completely incompatible with eternal conscience torment...and that man's freedom of choice could never supercede the will of an all powerful God.

The only way for someone to be separated from God is not to exist. For God is everywhere. Annihilation is the only view in which all things can and will be made knew. Because in the Annihilationist View the Universe is rid of all sin and those that are it's cause.

If one believes in ETERNAL TORMENT for their Human Brothers and Sisters? It shows their HEART. They will come in LAST.

@blue62show

8 ай бұрын

Scripture says that man is made in the image of God, that is with these characteristics which are eternal i.e life, free will, hope, faith, love. If this is true, has God made a heart of man in his image that will not love? Jesus, through whom all exist, who is there in the beginning and hovered over the deep, speaking into form with his command, who changed water into wine, and who walked upon the sea and calmed it with his words, does he not move the hearts of kings like rivers? The great command is to love God and neighbor, because this is what will be fulfilled, the answer to Jesus's prayer that we be one, one in whom and to whom all men are drawn, repenting by the goodness of God, as if salted with tongues of fire of a consummate Lord, renewing the spirit of the mind and enlightening the heart, and buy the holy Spirit every tongue praising that Jesus is Lord. So it can be possibly understood in scripture that it is not God's will that men perish, nor is it his delight, but it is his. His will that all come to know him, just as the Lord gave us to pray, "Thy will be done". God willing, all men will be saved, willingly, according to how the heart is made.

​Please be aware that there are MANY Christians who are conservative and orthodox AND also universalistic-and I include myself-and most of us reject gnosticism. We also reject Christian progressivism. Also, a Scriptural argument can definitely be made for the Apostle Paul's universalism. Moreover, opponents of universalism take three Greek words, Gehenna, Tartarus, and hades, as well as one Hebrew word, sheol, and they lump them all into one English word, "hell," which is a corruption of Scriptural integrity. An argument can be made that NONE of these words means "hell."

@djrill

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. Dr Tim Mackie goes in great detail on these words and historical context.

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

I would hardly call Hart a progressive. His book is a fascinating read and his debate on the youtube channel reason and theology is really good. Some of the verses Hart uses: For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive 1 Cor 15:22 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:32 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come lfrom Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; Romans 11:32 Hart quotes: "For the whole substance of Christian faith is the conviction that another has already and decisively gone down into the abyss for us, to set all the prisoners free, even from the chains of their own hatred and despair; hence the love that he's made all of us who we are, and that will continue throughout eternity to do so, cannot ultimately be rejected by anyone" "For God, as scripture says is a consuming fire, and he must finally consume everything" “As far as I am concerned, anyone who hopes for the universal reconciliation of all creatures with God must already believe that this would be the best possible ending to the Christian story; and such a person has then no excuse for imagining that God could bring any but the best possible ending to pass without thereby being in some sense a failed creator.”

@AlyoshaKaramazov.

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveandmercy9664 , thank you for clarifying that. It actually feels to me like many Christians want people to actually burn in hell forever, and they can't fathom a God who is truly, absolutely loving and forgiving. Whatever the judgments are that are forthcoming, they are not eternal, they are aeonian. All we have to do is look up the New Testament words which have been translated as "eternal," and we'll see that "aenoian" means "age-lasting" or "eonian" or "of the age.". No such thing as burning in hell forever and ever. It is NOT in the Bible.

@gospelfreak5828

2 жыл бұрын

Taking the words of Jesus, I cannot reconcile them with universalism. And whatever verses you could use for Paul I’d say would have to be taken out of context. Because Jesus seems very clear that universalism is wrong. And that seems to be a clear message throughout scripture

@AlyoshaKaramazov.

2 жыл бұрын

@@gospelfreak5828 , Jesus never spoke about a literal hell, or flames, or a place of eternal judgment. He spoke about Gehenna, a city dump in a valley that is directly southwest of Jerusalem. But consider this: In Matthew 18:9, Jesus said, "And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the Gehenna of fire." He never said "hell"; that is a corruption of Scripture. But even IF he had been using the word "Gehenna" as a reference for forthcoming fiery judgment, we need to consider this: When he says tear out or pluck out your eye, it is obvious that he doesn't mean that one should literally pluck one's eye out. So, if we don't take the "eye" verse LITERALLY, why should we take the fire of Gehenna verse LITERALLY? The plucking of the eye represents a mortification of a part of ourselves that would keep us from sinning against others; in the same manner, the fire/Gehenna/hell (if we want to insist on that wrong translation) represents an unseen judgment that does not necessarily mean a LITERAL eternal fire or everlasting damnation. As a matter of fact, in that same Gehenna place, also known as the Valley of Hinnom, long before Jesus's incarnation, there were Jews who were putting their own children through fire (sacrificing them to Baal), and God spoke against them; he condemned them through the prophet Jeremiah: "They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind." (Jeremiah 19:5). If such a thought (human beings in fire) never entered the mind of God, and if God condemned the acts that were taking place in that Gehenna Valley (hell), why would God do an about-face and decide that in the future, Gehenna will be a place where humans will burn in fire forever? It's absurd, and it completely misrepresents God, who is love, and who is described as the Savior of all men in the Bible.

Very interested in this topic! So many are just dismissive about it, but others, it seems, have spent their lives crafting some form of this theology, they go so deep into ancient texts/ language to prove it, yet claim not to belong to any form of church / body. Confusing.

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

check out Orthodox theologian David Bently Hart's all shall be saved.

@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveandmercy9664 if everyone shall be saved what's the purpouse of satan. Answer the question universalist

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

@@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737 Who created satan? according to church fathers like Origen even satan would be reconciled. "For the whole substance of the Christian faith is the conviction that another has already and decisively gone down into the abyss for us, to set all the prisoners free, even from the chains of their own hatred and despair" David Bently Hart

@robertdouglas8895

2 жыл бұрын

Study isn't necessary. Asking God is. "Eyes to see?" Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment." If God is like Jesus tells us we should be, that we should leave behind the 99 and go after the lost one, then all will be saved because we are as God created us, that is, innocent and eternal. If God is as Yahweh was with his two children who made a mistake listening once to the wrong teacher, for which he condemned them to a life of suffering and then ended it with death, then Yahweh would have no conflict with sending those who can't make the grade to hell. For us to be as God is, that is to remember who He created us to be, we need to forgive everyone. Matthew 12:7, If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent

@gospelfreak5828

2 жыл бұрын

@@loveandmercy9664 I don’t see how this idea can be reconciled to scripture. I mean just taking the passage about the narrow gate and the wide gate. If universalism is true, there is no narrow gate. It’s just one wide gate towards everlasting life. That makes Jesus a liar right there. Those who get into Gods kingdom are those who go in the narrow gate. And Luke makes it clear that those who take the wide path won’t get in and will have to go to hell. He won’t know who they are. There’s the parable of the weeds where the wheat gets to go to the barn, and then the other weeds are burned in the fire. The weeds fate is contrary to the wheats fate. The weeds don’t get into the barn, implying the same fate for the unbeliever. There’s no implication the weeds become wheat and can come into the barn. In the parable of the wedding banquet it says “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” The wedding seems to be his presence. And this person is thrown out. All are invited to be saved. But few will actually be saved is the implication. Then there’s the parable of the ten virgins. They were too late to be saved. They had their chance, but they were too late and missed their chance. This has no meaning if all go to heaven. Then the sheep and the goat as the righteous gain eternal life and the others eternal punishment. Universalists try to get out of this by saying the Greek word eternal can denote only a time period and doesn’t necessarily mean forever. However, the same Greek word is used for those who have the opposite fate. There are those who get eternal life, and those who don’t. Universalists say everyone gets eternal life. But Jesus is clear that these two types of people get different contrasting fates. Even if you say the word eternal is just talking about a long period of time and not necessarily eternity, the same must be applied to the contrasting eternal life. Therefore they don’t get out of the problem of some people having the age of eternal life, and others not having the age of eternal life. There is no convincing interpretation from universalists for this passage in Matthew 25. Jesus said that the unforgivable sin was blaspheming the Holy Spirit. However, if everyone goes to heaven that means by necessity they will all be forgiven. But then that means no one can possibly blaspheme the Holy Spirit. But if no one can or will do that, then why would Jesus mention it at all. The Bible has a large narrative that seems clear. That God has a heart that all come to him, but not everyone will. That’s why he gives so many warnings. That’s why repentance is emphasized in this life. That’s why the importance of evangelism is so emphasized. And that’s just Jesus. The entire picture of the Bible implies there will be some who believe and then those others who don’t and will have a separate fate than salvation. It’s so very clear. I could not have come to universalism from reading the Bible, even in Greek. Universalism should be a dead philosophy in my honest reading of the passages above

What if someone suffering in hell regrets their past choices and asks God for the grace of repentrmce? Is it impossoble for God to help? Why impossible?

Very informative episode thank you Alisa and brother Michael. God bless your ministries and your families always and strengthen you to do the good works for the kingdom

@jhq9064

4 ай бұрын

You should look at challenges to their views

In Jesus Christ is “the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:21)

@micahprice2807

2 жыл бұрын

Hell IS reconciliation for most people who will fall short of God’s standard. Warnings against rejection of God, Christ, and The Spirit are plentiful throughout both Testaments, as are the clear outcomes.

1 Tim 6:16 dispels the idea that man is an immortal soul. We may have been created to become immortal, but immortality is only given as a gift and is conditioned upon being given faith to receive the grace made available via the cross. John 3:16 says it very clearly For God so love the world the He gave His Only Son (Jesus), the whoever believes (condition) shall not perish (die), but receive eternal life (granted immortality). John 3:36 sums it up so that we see the full dichotomy He who believes on the Son shall see life He who does not believe shall NOT see life, but the wrath of God remains on them. Our God is a consuming fire !

@Mrm1985100

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@wendymtzc

2 жыл бұрын

How come? The verse doesn’t mention a man’s soul in the first place, you are misinterpreting the verse. It is not saying he is the only immortal being but rather than in him only immortality can be found. It’s kind of the same misinterpretation Jehovah witnesses make when the interpret the verse “whose name alone is Jehovah” and they teach that’s the only name of God, which is totally false…

@johnnyOmazing

2 жыл бұрын

I’m more than happy to answer any questions regarding how scripture supports conditional immortality, but not in the comments stream. You can find a thriving dialog with the RethinkingHell community. Thanks

@toresaetre7793

2 жыл бұрын

I say, anyone who believes in hell and refers to his god as "a consuming fire" is a devil worshipper. Simply put.

What does this mean? ´ He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world ´. (1 Jn 2:2) Please think about it.

Death is only temporary according to the Bible resurrection of the Dead? Why is it we only focus on death if we're going to heaven or hell it doesn't make any sense? Revelation talked about Resurrection? 1 Corinthians chapter 15 has a lot of gospel principles and it refers to the resurrection? King James version of the Bible but yet why do we focus on death as a final destination and we overlooked the resurrection I don't understand that? When the Bible clearly states we will be resurrected and have eternal body just like our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Thank you for the strawmen arguments!

If God doesn't save everyone then Christ's sacrifice was a loss and God is a failure.

@christophergibson7155

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Go back and read the words of Jesus in the Gospels, in detail. You have seemingly not embraced all that is there.

All these claims from people that say the holy spirit was prompting them. I demand proof of such an extraordinary claim. How do you know it wasn't just your own impulse to want to say something?

Amen! Christ is our reward in heaven!

Excellent show! God bless you for these educational & entertaining episodes.

“The Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.” (1 John 4:14)

Did God over ride Saul’s (Paul’s) will ?

How are we gnostic if we believe Christ wants are people to love as the savior. That's what universal salvation means.

I've been reading Orthodox theologian David Bently Hart's all shall be saved on this very topic and its fascinating. He draws from the Bible, the church fathers(Especially Gregory of Nyssa) the original meaning being a Greek scholar of the expressions used in the Bible, psychology etc...

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

The full restoration of all things, where God will become all in all, meaning perfect order, joy, peace will become all there is, is the only logical and wise conclusion because only in a perfect world, we could have a perfect joy. If the world is only partially good and the rest of it is full of unimaginable pain, horror and suffering, it would be impossible to achieve a perfect joy because loving beings, what we suppose to all become eventually, are compassionate beings and compassion would feel unquenched sorrow and agony for all those ones who are in a constant suffering.

@hannahbaker2856

2 жыл бұрын

I saw his works recommended in some Amazon reviews of Dr. McClymond's work. More for the wish list . . .

@loveandmercy9664

2 жыл бұрын

“That which is hateful to you, do not unto another: This is the whole Torah. The rest is commentary - [and now] go study.”. Rabbi Hillel

He'll is real

@robertdouglas8895

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you've been there and project that hell into the future.

@leslieannvanhumbeck9444

2 жыл бұрын

You said he'll 😆

Everyone loves hearing from Christians who claim that they are in the 'saved' camp and everybody else is not so.....the winners and the losers.....alas, that we are all saved by grace by the work of Christ, to the glory of God.....thank you Jesus, that you are the Savior and not ourselves.....Amazing Grace.

Eternal life is defined as "knowing Him." It is a quality; not a duration.

Universal reconciliation is true. If all are dying IN ADAM, all will also be made alive IN CHRIST. Believe God. It’s that simple.

@TNungesser

2 жыл бұрын

That is true, Josiah. "Even as in Adam all are dying, THUS ALSO in Christ shall all be vivified (made alive)" 1 Corinthians 15:22. This verse does not say "all who are in Adam are dying and thus also, all who are in Christ shall be vivified." In the grammar of the verse it is not the locative (the one being located in Adam or located in Christ) but it is the instrumental. In the instrument of Adam, all are dying (see Romans 5:12 too), THUS ALSO, in the instrument of Christ, shall all be vivified and this results in God being All in all (1 Cor.15:28). Romans 5:18 and 19 also show all mankind being neutral recipients of the one act of Adam and the one act of Christ. Christians are accepting of the fact that due to Adam's one act, all mankind were made sinners. So why aren't they equally accepting of the fact that the same all mankind will be made righteous due to what Christ did? Is Adam greater than Christ? In Romans 5:18 the statement is made "as it was" and "thus also" showing a similarity between the two. As it was that all mankind were made sinners due to Adam's one act, THUS ALSO (similarly) all mankind will be made righteous due to what Christ did. The same Even As, Thus Also construction is used in 1 Corinthians 15:22.

@Second_Son1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@TNungesser Precisely! The language you use to expound on this biblical FACT is breathtaking. I think one of the reasons Christians only believe half the equation (in Adam, all are dying) is because they have wholeheartedly embraced the false Free Will doctrine that says we can choose our own destiny. God does not agree. No one made the choice to be born into this world, no one made the choice to die. No one made the choice to be a sinner!! Subsequently, no one will make the choice to be made alive, vivified, beyond death’s reach. It’s ALL of God. Romans 11:32 for God did shut up together the whole to unbelief, that to the whole He might do kindness. Romans 2:4 or the riches of His goodness, and forbearance, and long-suffering, dost thou despise? -- not knowing that the kindness of God doth lead thee to reformation! God’s kindness will lead ALL to repentance!

@truthseeker4869

2 жыл бұрын

@@Second_Son1990 Agree!

@christophergibson7155

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You missed something.....You must be "in Christ".

@christophergibson7155

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@@Second_Son1990 Nope! You are born a sinner, but you also choose to sin. You are not born a liar, thief, adulterer, blasphemer, murderer, etc...YOU CHOOSE TO DO THOSE THINGS!

The Bible actually teaches the annihilation of the wicked. John 3:16. Over 200 scriptures teach this. The wicked will be destroyed and be no more after judgment.

@MarkWCorbett1

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the Bible teaches the annihilation of the wicked.

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham. Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring. Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God. Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God. Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God. Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever. Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him. Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation. Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall. Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him. Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness. Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him. Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least. Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate. Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent. Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever. Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost. Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people. Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation. John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world. John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ. John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live. John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him. John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself. John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world. John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him. Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything. Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness. Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men. Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ. Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all. 2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself. Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ. Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe. Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit) Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ. 1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted? 1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe. Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men. Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone. 1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice of the sins of the whole world. 1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works. The doctrine of eternal damnation denies the victory of Christ! 1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world. Revelations 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ). Revelations 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new

@robh3007

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdoe7674 we could go through this list of scripture passages line by line, point by point, and show where none of them prove universalism is true, or at least show how a person could loophole his way out of salvation despite God's desire that all should come into communion with Him. I notice that in many of them, you do not include the entire verse. For example, in John 6:37, Jesus says "All those the Father gives me will come to me," but then goes on to say "and whoever comes to me I will never drive away" in the same verse. There are many other examples where you omit the true context of the verse by leaving off a part of it. In another example Ephesians 1:11 where Paul writes "God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ," he is clearly pointing to Christ's authority over all things given him by the Father. I'm going to assume that you have not done the work of actually looking up each one of these scripture passages, but rather have copied and pasted it from somewhere else, because I've noticed that you've pasted it in other comment threads here. I strongly urge you to pray for discernment and wisdom, read these scripture passages carefully for context, and then follow up by reading the many times where Jesus unequivocally mentions hell. Look, I get it. I can see why universalism appeals to people and why we want so badly for it to be true. Because it lends itself easily to a spirit of permissiveness and allows us to relax our attitude and breathe about the consequences of our sin. Either we see our sin as truly terrible, and God as just, or else we have to find a way to get rid of hell. Either way, I'm praying for you.

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@robh3007 I saw these scriptures your way until I prayed for wisdom and discernment brother you need to ask the most high to soften your heart to the truth peace and blessings brother

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@robh3007 and I’ve spent 6 months trying to prove myself wrong and logically and spiritually I can’t eternal damnation is not scriptural

Unless the parables and the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles are lies, not everyone is "saved."

@jdoe7674

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham. Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring. Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God. Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God. Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God. Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever. Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him. Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation. Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall. Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him. Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness. Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him. Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least. Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate. Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent. Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever. Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost. Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people. Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation. John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world. John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ. John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live. John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him. John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself. John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world. John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him. Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything. Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness. Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men. Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ. Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all. 2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself. Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ. Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe. Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit) Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ. 1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted? 1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe. Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men. Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone. 1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice of the sins of the whole world. 1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works. The doctrine of eternal damnation denies the victory of Christ! 1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world. Revelations 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ). Revelations 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new

" the inescapable love of God" by Thomas Talbot.....Isiah said ,"we have ALL got lost like sheep".. Jesus said ," I will seek find and save ALL lost sheep"

Jesus is “able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21)

I'll pay you $500 to have David Bentley Hart on your show to point out why Patristic Universalism was the dominant view of the Historical Christian faith for the first 400 years of Church History, if you're brave enough.

This is very a difficult topic, because it ultimately deals with probably the most challenging questions we can ask: did a dear old granny who has always been 'good' but who outwardly rejected Christ end up alongside Hitler in hell? Is it really eternal as we understand eternality (linked to time)? Are there different levels of suffering (gradations) in hell? If God is almighty, and God is good, how can evil persist in any form in any dimension? If hell is real, then is it really a choice (a true freewill choice) if we are forced to choose between heaven and hell? These are all tough questions, some of which are the reason some have totally rejected Christianity...

Regarding the point in the video on atheists and "making the right choice" in the end. Yes even Richard Dawkins will believe when He is confronted with the clear revelation of God. Read Isaiah 45:22-23 22 Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. God literally says "turn to me and be saved". Then immediately He declares that everyone will even swear allegiance to Him. This speaks of a time when EVERYONE will do this. Even Richard Dawkins. It's not a forced confession, God does not need false praise; it is a willing swearing of allegiance. So is God going to save them? He just said TURN TO ME AND BE SAVED. God is the saviour of ALL people - its good news.