Jonathan is such a good older brother. The fact that he could read Will's emotions while being stoned says a lot.

@firstname4653

Жыл бұрын

i don’t think he was actually stoned at that point. but he definitely is an amazing older brother either way and this scene absolutely redeemed his not-so-great arc this season

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he was high at any moment in vol2. It was like some kind of redemption, but sadly even his redemption gets sidelined. Charlie is an awesome actor he deserves a big role

@Hop3fulRomantic

Жыл бұрын

I love Jonathan he's such a great character. His loyalty and love for his family is unsurpassed. He really loves his little brother. He definitely hasn't missed that his brother has romantic feelings for Mike and this is so his way of telling Will he loves him no matter what. Honestly I'm on the last episode now and I genuinely don't understand why people are not liking Jonathan this season. For one... the boy has BARELY HAD ANYTHING TO DO this entire season! And when the moment did come, he stepped up straight away like the protective older brother he is. There has only been one moment of miscommunication between him and Nancy right at the start...she thought he was coming to see her and he thought she was coming to see him. And yet some how he's the one that's the jerk?? Even though they BOTH assumed the exact same thing? Sorry no. I can understand his feeling of relief when she didn't come because he doesn't want to lose Nancy and delaying seeing her means delaying doing what he thinks he's going to have to end up doing if he wants her to be happy which is to break up with her. But he doesn't want to break up with her because he loves her. Also, I don't blame him for taking a year to just do dumb shit like getting high. He's still a teenager and so much responsibility has been put on his shoulders from a young age unlike the rest of the gang. He's still a teenager dealing with normal teenage problems and he's allowed to just take a timeout from everything. He's also a caring person and wants everyone he loves to be happy and he finds himself in a situation where he's going to end up upsetting someone and he's caught in the middle and doesn't know what to do or what the right thing to do is because he loves Nancy and doesn't want to lose her but also doesn't want to abandon his brother (and his mum). He's got a girlfriend he loves and a family he'd do anything for. He feels like he's being pulled in two directions because of his loyalty to his family and also his love for Nancy. He wants Nancy to be happy and for his family to be happy. As much as I love Steve (he's had such great character development the past couple seasons) I don't want him and Nancy together. I love Jonathan and Nancy together so much and i feel like they've both been through so much together that they deserve to be together and be happy. But sadly i feel like the writers are trying to push Nancy back towards Steve.

@Saassjddjdh

Жыл бұрын

@@Hop3fulRomantic I’m sorry bro u wrote way too fucking much nobody even brought Steve into this😭

@Hop3fulRomantic

Жыл бұрын

@@Saassjddjdh lol! I never intend on writing essays but somehow that’s just what always happens. 😂 Appreciate you taking the time to read it haha

I love the Byers family so much.

@nightshadowsstudios

Жыл бұрын

yup

@nightshadowsstudios

Жыл бұрын

They are there for people

@nightshadowsstudios

Жыл бұрын

And they try to help anyway they can 🤧🥺

@BeneluxProjects2020s

Жыл бұрын

Except Lonnie

@aayla9982

Жыл бұрын

yep, Joyce, Jim, Jonathan, Jane, and (J)william Jacob Byers/Hopper!

I feel sad for Will in seasons 3 and 4 'cause I feel like everybody ignores him. And that first scene in episode 8 with him and Mike is so heartbreaking. 🙁

@justranzmarie8737

Жыл бұрын

@@TDM1165 yeahhhh they kinda did will dirty this season 💔 We really hope a better much character development from the Cali Gang especially Mike 'cause his character is moving backwards idk. AND YES WILL NEEDS A LOVE INTEREST (that isn't Mike).

@janderson947

Жыл бұрын

Me 2 I was hoping it turns out he had feelings for el that whole time instead of mike but I guess not..

@justranzmarie8737

Жыл бұрын

@@janderson947 wait... no offense but I don't want Will to have feelings for El 'cause she's like a sister to him. At first, I thought of that but it's impossible and I don't like it either. I just want Will to have someone that will love him not Mike, not El but someone. However, the Duffer Bros. said that they will be no longer adding new characters in season 5 since it's the last season and I guess that's where they will start killing off main characters, sadly... I think he will not have a love interest since they confirmed that they will not add a new character next season. 🙁

@janderson947

Жыл бұрын

@@justranzmarie8737 how is it impossible he had feelings for Mike which is a bit out there considering he never really hung out with Mike until season3 up until now they just grew apart every since he went to the upside down world he has never really recovered besides everyone saw that coming when they had that big fight and Mike told him he doesn't think he liked girls so we all saw this coming but I just wish it was el instead because then it something different and or had feelings for BOTH now that would be interesting he likes Mike but he might be bisexual that hardly ever happens though will already felt like an outside but will liking Mike just make him stand out even more and more isolated though they have no idea what to do with him they could make will a key to help them instead of him being traumatized all the time I wonder could Robin ever have a conversation with will like Robin notices the look on his face around Mike and pulls him aside and tells him it's alright and they talk making him feel better...

@justranzmarie8737

Жыл бұрын

@@janderson947 Ohhhh... okay... that's what you meant. I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you ship El and Will. Sorry. 😭 Yes, the duo we never had, Robin and Will. I'm still hoping that they'll get along in season 5. Even at least one episode hopefully.

I was tearing up when Will started crying in the car but when it cut to Jonathan watching his brother in the rear view mirror and trying not to cry is when I lost it. These two have such a good and realistic sibling dynamic. It’s easy to forget how much you care for each other until you see your sibling hurt

@harlilawson2389

Жыл бұрын

Their bond is so wholesome.

@alexneill8338

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely. It's a shame that the writers don't give Nancy & Mike a strong sibling bond, such a wasted opportunity.

In a way this was the best way for Jonathan to find out his little brother is gay and to let Will know he knows without fully outing him. It was his way of saying “I know and I understand and it’s ok I love you no matter what” It’s also a really important thing for Will to hear because it’s tough being gay in the 80s. It’s tough, it’s scary, it’s confusing. But really all he needed was for someone to give him a hug and tell him that it’s ok for him to be the way he is. Will Byers deserves the world ❤️

@xnet_cascade6257

Жыл бұрын

As someone with a gay sibling, I also knew before she told me. I think there is this connection between siblings that parents don’t, where you have a gut feeling that one is having a difficult time with coming out. You notice it with the way they talk, move, function, and basically do anything. My parents actually had no idea about her sexuality and that surprised me a little bit. However, since I spend more time with my little sister than they do, it didn’t come to a surprise.

@fluffychicken3304

Жыл бұрын

I love this comment idk its so sweet and true

@mahganwilson3543

Жыл бұрын

The hug is so pure and real

@dragonfire4527

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure he is gay. Even Noah Schnapp wasn't sure at first. It is possible but since he was about 15 years old when Stranger Things 1 came out he probably wasn't into girls or any romantic relationships whatsoever. Since his friends were maturing and he was stuck in the Upside Down he wanted to reclaim the life he had lost when he was trapped in the Upside Down. And during the scene where he was asked to dance by a cute girl in the snow ball in season 2 he looked nervous when the girl asked him to dance with her causing Will to look nervous probably due to his past treatment of being an outcast by other bullies and she did call him "zombie boy" so it is understandable why he was hesitant to dance with her since he didn't like that nickname seeing it as insult. And he felt neglected when his friends started to focus on their struggling relationships with their respective girlfriends instead of hanging out like they used to playing Dungeons and Dragons. In season 4 he feels ignored by his friends and especially by Mike when he was more talkative to Eleven. And it is possible that Will might be somewhat jealous of their relationship or just insecure secretly wanting a girlfriend in his life when almost all of his friends has girlfriends (yes even Lucas even though he and Max broke up).

@mahganwilson3543

Жыл бұрын

I get what your saying... Like all of his hurt towards mike doesn't HAVE to be because oh I have a crush on you

I really expected the camera to turn and for Argyle to be there like, sobbing "That was beautiful man..."

@viciousLUA

Жыл бұрын

lol that would have been awesome, but perhaps they kept it’s sentimental value.

@masterfreeze1054

Жыл бұрын

its not the MCU, or else that's what they would've done

@stevengelling5616

2 ай бұрын

That would have absolutely fucking sucked and ruin the whole emotion of the scene.

My goodness Will is just a real person. He went through so much these last few seasons and Jonathan finally being there for him definitely warmed my heart. Will definitely deserves to shine in season five. Edit: Wow thank you guys so much for the likes!!

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

The Duffers said Will is going to be the main focus of S5. I hope Jonathan has more attention too

@andrewkruger7519

Жыл бұрын

@@22taylorsversion9 that literally makes me so happy. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t because the show started out with will and now it’s going to end with will!

@user-pu7yt9pw4x

Жыл бұрын

I hope we get the four again. It's been a while they've been together

@mst3KGf

Жыл бұрын

@@user-pu7yt9pw4x S5 is apparently going to have the S1 pairings and grouping again, so we're getting the S1 group of Mike, El, Lucas and Dustin again, with Will added for good measure (Max filling Will's S1 spot of "Party member in need of saving"). Which is good because yes, that foursome was the group dynamic that made the show in the first season and we haven't really seen it since.

@415melody

Жыл бұрын

fr, will can never get a break

The crack in Will’s voice when he says “Y-yeah…” just hits bro🥲

noah has me bawling my eyes out every time he's on screen, let will byers be happy s5 PLEAAAAASE

@adriantexas5403

Жыл бұрын

@toks12 same ☺️☺️😊

@lxvenderjewel

10 ай бұрын

REAL SHIT MAN

@Krionos

5 ай бұрын

Crying over a show is childish

@somebody4763

6 күн бұрын

@@Krionos You can't be serious, right? I almost feel sorry that I have to explain this to you. Crying over movies or TV shows is far from childish. We cry for many reasons. Sometimes a scene hits you hard emotionally, or you see yourself in the character or situation. Watching films or series is a common way to process our feelings or to escape from them, especially when you feel like you have no one else to turn to. There are times I get emotional during scenes where it's not even intended. That's just how it is. Scenes where someone is kind and shows they care can really get to me. It's important to me because helping others makes me genuinely happy. Feeling sad or any other emotion because of entertainment is one of the most natural things there is.

I was about 13-14 in 1986 so I am roughly Will's age. Now there is representation and acceptance. Back in the 80's, being openly gay got you shunned, harassed, and a lot worse. I wish someone had told me this when I was 14. I had wonder what "was wrong" with me and then realizing that I could not be open about hurt worse. Being something that you are not is a burden that gave me Depression and Anxiety. Self loathing as well. I tried to get an "adult job" and be the go getter etc. It just tanked my mental health. So, about 20 years ago, I got a job at Tower Records. I finally decided to be myself because I had so many cool friends. I decided to just be myself. No need to come out. If you didn't see it, you were dense. I even got my best friend to give me "talk" like Johnathon gave to Will. And yes, I went home and cried because I had always wanted to hear that. COVID had given my mental health a rough patch. I had always related to Will because I have always been shy and expressing myself is difficult. His arc has been subtle and well done. Realistic for the 80's. Johnathon's speech to Will gave me an ugly cry and helped clear my head. Weird that a TV character helped me like that. My mind hasn't been this clear in years.

@jupiter6506

Жыл бұрын

im extremely proud of you. i wish u all the happiness in the world, really ❤️

@michaelrussell7148

Жыл бұрын

Well said. I am the same age and had the same emotional reaction to this episode. Growing up gay in rural Arkansas was not easy. I am very glad this scene helped you.

@Exodus12341

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you but there still is acceptance issues today. I kept my bisexuality a secret from 2015 to 2020 when I finally came out to my mom first. She was accepting. The hardest part was the rest of my family being Christian Right wing conservatives. When I publicly came out because I couldn’t keep it in no more, my uncle straight up told me he will never support me on that part of my life and my dad just said “I know your just confused” which that…. That honestly hurt worse then my uncle saying he will never support me on that front…. And the rest of my family was silent about it. Likely still not wanting to make things awkward even worse. It’s a struggle still. And I still think about my uncles saying and especially my dads saying everyday….

@bradbowlamma3039

Жыл бұрын

things are definitely easier now compared to back then but for some it still isn't easy... depending on your country and the family you're born into... I may not be "out" to the world but I've made quite a few friends that are straight yet fully understanding with those I'm more or less free to be my true authentic self around... even in certain places out of the area where no one knows me or where I'm from... I may act myself... see how the people react and alot of the times there are all smiles and enjoying the vibes but on the flip side there's also alot of homophobic people in my life... my parents that are preachers are one, I live in a whatnot homophobic ghetto neighborhood and I work in a paramilitary organization when ever the talk of gays come up it's always to trash talk and drag them down it's true we came along way but we still got some ways to go

@edalder2000

Жыл бұрын

@@Exodus12341 I have always struggled with the fact that hetero is the default option in Society. Many songs, shows are from a hetero perspective.

I love their brother dynamic. Both of them are great actors!

@RachelTheVlogger

Жыл бұрын

I just hope the guy playing Jonathon is clean from drugs now in real life.

As soon as Jonathan says..."and there is nothing in this world..." (re: loving his brother unconditionally)...Will's chest rises and falls much faster in realization that Jonathan is likely aware that he is gay. In that moment it's a staggering physical response of likely some blend of anxiety at finally being seen but also the confirmation that his brother will love him too and I can only imagine the emotions coursing through him. He obviously shies away from talking or addressing it directly with anyone and a good chunk of his fear probably stems from his father's emotional abuse and also the bullying he experienced. I like that Jonathan essentially gave him an out to not have to discuss it knowing how overwhelmed Will likely has been for awhile, he didn't mention relationships, or Mike...but the confirmation of total acceptance with no request for information is just a wonderful way of going about trying to console anyone who seems to be dealing with internalized homophobia. He didn't make the comments specific to any one aspect of Will's life...it's more than just touching upon one issue. But any issue that could be causing Will anxiety...currently or in the future. For a teen who has felt sort of left behind or almost forgotten in the last few seasons particularly, that must be such a relief to felt truly loved. Jonathan and Will are such awesome brothers.

@fluffychicken3304

Жыл бұрын

I love this comment it’s so like true and happy to read

@kpaxian6044

Жыл бұрын

@@fluffychicken3304 :)

@sk70091

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly, Jonathan handled this perfectly. And I'm so glad he said something because it seemed like nobody else really noticed the turmoil Will is in :( At least he has his big brother.

@mahganwilson3543

Жыл бұрын

This is worded so beautifully and I couldn't agree more... I feel like this is exactly everything Will needed to hear and that kind of unconditional love seems hard for him to come by, with even his mom growing distant 😞 I think come the end of season 4 him and Mike have reconciliation back to a close friendship and he gets an excited hug from Dustin and his family is reunited but I feel Jonathan as he always has was there for Will without Will needing to be the one to reach out... And I feel like in turn seeing his brothers need for him may help clean up Jonathan going into the finale

@MotivatedMan

Жыл бұрын

How you get that his gay from this scene? Lego was up his nose not his ass

This scene really made me love Jonathan even more, I feel like he’s so underrated. He truly loves his brother so much! Charlie & Noah’s acting is phenomenal, you can actually feel the real brotherly love between them.

@celiasibai

10 ай бұрын

I felt they weren't acting at this point

So apparently, according to Noah Schnapp, this scene wasn't originally in the script. It came after they shot the van scene and saw Will crying and the look that Jonathan gave him in the mirror that they decided to do this. It was literally written while they were filming the show.

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

Which makes me just so mad. They weren't planning any kind of moment for Jonathan in a season finale? The writers really take the word 'sidelining' to another whole level

@Nicole-kk4sj

Жыл бұрын

@@22taylorsversion9 exactly, and they didn't plan a comforting scene for Will either? That's so messed up, this scene was so beautiful, I cry everytime I watch it and I'm so glad they added it

@rebelliousoutsider

Ай бұрын

It makes me lose the slightest faith I had in writers. It shows they are either incapable of writing or favor comedy and over-the-top drama rather than subtle dramatic scenes. The first two seasons leaned more towards serious drama with a good amount of sophisticated humor. However, after season 2, their approach shifted to almost pure comedy with only a little bit of drama here and there, which was sometimes over the top. That's why characters like Jonathan and Will were sidelined; they can't provide much comedic relief. This made me lose the remaining faith I had that the show would return to a serious track in season 5.

Jonathan said this right after he saw Will looking at Mike and El. He’s always known and the fact he just wants Will to be happy because he knows how upset he is is so sweet :)

Jonathon is criminally underrated by fans! He is the most selfless, empathetic, kindest character in the whole show. His priorities have ALWAYS been to keep his loved ones safe, and to make sure they feel loved. He puts everyone else before himself, but he shouldn’t have to. Will and Jonathon’s brotherhood is one of the BEST aspects of the entire show, and I wish everyone appreciated it more. I adore these two characters more than I can explain❤

@coldhands6648

Жыл бұрын

ON GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love him so much

You can just see that this is exactly what Will needed to hear. The relief in his eyes when Jonathan emphasizes that there is “nothing in this world” that would take away his love for his brother. So good.

Charlie and Noah absolutely own this scene. Completely perfect

I love how as soon as Jonathan notices his brother is sad he immediately tries cheering him up with a happy memory and a hug and doesn't try to push anything, only lets him know he's there for him no matter what. He's such a good brother ugh

This is why I love Jonathan. Hes gotten a lot of flack for how his character has been portrayed, but i think its a great progression for him. The issue i feel with him is too many comparisons to Steves character, but Steve went through a transformation not an evolution. Jonathan has always been family first, hes reseverved and quiet, and clearly suffers from trust issues due to the conflict of his parents relationship. Him gravitating towards a friend whos also reserved and a stoner makes sense, Argyl expressed how jonathan is his only friend. Him having the decision to stay in California at a community college to me, is an early indication that he knew something was up with Will. But also barring the responsibility of El and his mom, he did what was in the best interest of his family. Plus it goes back to the fear of Trust with Nancy. He wants nancy to live her dreams, he doesnt want to hold her back. Now for those who ship steve and nancy...i disagree on that as well. The little family harrington idea is something steve wants, not nancy. It sounds cute and romantic, but it goes back to the very thing nancy disliked about her own family, former jock in sales marries the pretty girl to start the subburban life. Jonathan wants Nancy to chase her dreams, Steve wants Nancy to be apart of his. In my honest opinion, steve needs someone better suited for his future. Not the girl who got away. Nancy is independent. And jonathan has to confront his own issues. But he always puts everyone else first. His character/morals has always remained there.

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

THIS !!! Jonathan has a lot of sidelined issues and his trauma is pretty much ignored in the series. The stoner arc was terribly explained. I believe being apart from his only home and Nancy made him fall into depression so he started getting stoned to avoid everything. I hope season 5 focuses more on him and the reason why he does everything. And I really hope he ends up going to NY college, because that's what his dream was in season 1 and the writers act as if that never happened

@popoffpeppar

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly no matter how “cute” Nancy and Steve are together, Jonathan understands Nancy much better than Steve does.

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

@@popoffpeppar exactly, Steve thinks she'll pop out 6 kids for him? That's exactly the opposite of what she wants

@jupiteralmighty3730

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately i heard somewhere that jonathan was supposed to be the main character of the show but as soon as the duffer brothers found out steve got a lot of love (they wanted to kill steve off in season 1) they decided to keep him and now jonathan is pushed to the side and his character got pretty much destroyed and steve get praised for everything. i personally think that's a shit thing to do, and people still dislike jonathan for everything. i feel bad for charlie. and if you don't believe me: they did a chemistry read with natalia and charlie for a reason before filming season 1.

@katiem4935

Жыл бұрын

This!! Exactly what I think too!

Will and Jonathan better be the central characters of season 5. A big part of the show has always been about their relationship.

@bookwormd8627

Жыл бұрын

Ik. Will has already been confirmed to have a big role, but Johnathan has been sidelined for so long that I’m just praying he’s involved in the action in s5

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

LITERALLY. Charlie is the best drama actor from the cast and I hope he has a big ass role in season 5. But those writers...they're shit. So we'll have to rely on the Duffers to see if they want to give him justice

@bookwormd8627

Жыл бұрын

@@22taylorsversion9 the duffers are the ones writing the show, so we really have no hope for Jonathan. I’m super loaded at that cuz Charlie’s amazing and deserves a better role, but the best we can hope for is a nice brotherly scene with will

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

@@bookwormd8627 they actually have a big room of writers, the Duffers give the plot ideas and stuff and then many other people write the scenes. I have some hope for the Duffers this time because they said the characters of season 1 will be the main focus of season 5. They also said that they wanted to see Jonathan and Nancy so the og groups are coming back too

@bookwormd8627

Жыл бұрын

@@22taylorsversion9 wait actually? Ok then, I trust that the duffers will focus on the mains. Cant wait to see Jancy again, although I’m not excited to see Will’s and Jonathan’s haircut

Today, we found out just how personal Will's story is for Noah himself. Congrats on Noah coming out today on Tiktok! Also, Jonathan is a really good brother- I hope we see more Will & Jonathan scenes in the final season.

As an older sister to a younger brother whom I love, this scene made me tear up. Being the oldest, it's sometimes hard to express to your littles that you care and that you'd do absolutely anything for them, especially when you have so much on your shoulders as "The Big Brother/Sister".

@connieluvr

Жыл бұрын

i completely agree i always tease my little brother and horrible to him (in a sibling way) but at the end of the day i would do anything for him

@CoCo-eu1hg

Жыл бұрын

I hear yeah. Same situation as you.

@andhispalmugman6314

Жыл бұрын

Older sibling solidarity!

@13Kr4zYAzN13

Жыл бұрын

I keep feeling like that's the one part of my life where I failed Doing everything I can now to make up for it. For both my siblings. But still...it gets to me sometimes

@veenasulanki877

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes I just cry when my parents say toxic things to my sister I do my best to protect her but still can't do much .😭

God! I wish I had this older brother growing up. There’s so much I wanted to talk to someone about. Sometimes I still do. Powerful scene.

After this scene I text my younger brother to say “I love you, man!” We’re both in our late 30s and still best buddies.

@ajadler1629

Жыл бұрын

That probably made his day a lot better than you even think. little things like this make people really happy you did good 😊.

season 1:find will season 2:take care of will season 3:forget about will season 4:sad will

@houseofpets1572

Жыл бұрын

You right about season 3. That was the only season Jonathan was jerk.

Its great that Jonathan saw in the car that Will needed this

This face Will makes, like his grabbing onto every word Jonathan is saying, like he depends on it. It just gets me every time. In my experience, having a secret like this is SO scary, it's so tiring to keep to yourself, but because you're too scared to tell the people you love, you keep bottling, and just hurt yourself more in the process.

Came back to sob about this after Noah came out today I’m so proud of him

@clairegrim4369

Жыл бұрын

Suddenly it makes so much sense why Noah has always connected with Will on such a deep level😭 no wonder this character means the world to him, they’re basically the same person. Can’t wait to see them both grow and find peace in season 5❤ but at the same time, we can’t have it all… if Mike and will end up together, then El will be heartbroken. But if Mike and El stay together, Will will be heartbroken. We can’t get a happy ending where everyone is happy. Unfortunately as a writer myself, I can tell the obvious solution to this love triangle that I’m almost positive the Duffer brothers will go with… they’re likely going to kill off either El or Will to solve the love triangle and make it so Mike doesn’t have to choose. And I’m SURE if they do kill off one of them, it’ll be Will. Which will make me have to go to therapy to recover from.

@KesumaofEO

Жыл бұрын

@@clairegrim4369 Bruh Mike's not gay lol Will isn't James Charles

@Krionos

5 ай бұрын

Ew

Jonathan is not my personal favorite of the group, but I’ve always admired how good of a brother he is. And now, he’s having to balance being a brother to Will, AND being an adult, and he’s doing both beautifully.

Especially for this time period, Jonathan out here being a GOAT brother

The only time where Jonathan acts like his old self from the past seasons

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

Literally, I hate what the Duffers did to him. The stoner arc could've got more background. They could've explained it like how moving to another town, far from the only home he had ever met and far from Nancy affected him and he fell into depression and started getting stoned to avoid his problems, but no, everything was sidelined and underlooked and they just painted him off as a silly stoner

Charlie is such a fantastic actor I’m so mad he didn’t get to do more scenes like this in season 4

@gravityfallsaddict

Жыл бұрын

ikr

Jonathan is so mistreated by this fandom but i will protect him till i die istg

@PokidotGamer898

Жыл бұрын

Idk about you, but I personally love Jonathan, I know he’s distant from a lot of people but at the end of the day he is always gonna be their for them when they need someone to hug, especially if it’s his brother. Will has always been my favorite character and always will, he is just so sweet and I just wanna give him a massive hug and play D&D with him, even if Mike and the others don’t, I will play with him.

@charlieandthechocfactrules9186

Жыл бұрын

TBH how good a brother he is to Will is pretty much the only thing appealing about him.

@benjamin_0265

2 ай бұрын

Right? It pains me how underrated and mistreated he is in the fandom, all because most of them see him as a creep and a stoner.

This scene is so good for so many reasons. Will finally felt seen and loved, Jonathan is such a good brother I love them.

As a person who has stuck a Lego up my nose, this scene hit hard.

@ana7icia

Жыл бұрын

LMAO bro rip

@SCshaman1

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 i don’t feel alone anymore

@peridotperson

Жыл бұрын

@@SCshaman1 it happens to the best of us

I love this scene so much!!! You can just tell by Will's expression that a weight was just lifted off his shoulders because he knows he's brother will always love him.

Any scene between these two just makes me feel loved. Their whole relationship is just so beautiful to watch. I can’t imagine this show without them.

@tasnimkhan3443

Жыл бұрын

I which episode this seen is??

@jamieball2095

Жыл бұрын

@@tasnimkhan3443 Episode 9; season 4!

@tasnimkhan3443

Жыл бұрын

@@jamieball2095 thank you 🤞🏻💖

@coldhands6648

Жыл бұрын

yes

who's here now after noah shcnapp just came came out ❤

Jonathan absolutely knows about Will being gay and this was such a sweet way to let him know that not only does he know, but he’s accepting. ♥️

@SaoGage

Жыл бұрын

It’s empathy. Real empathy. Something that’s critically lacking in a lot of people, unfortunately.

I think this is what’s been missing from the series for a long time and why it seems like Will and Jonathan are seemingly irrelevant to a lot of people now. They (and even Joyce) seem to have been distant the last few seasons, off on their own adventures, without that family dynamic which was the most important thing in season 1 and arguably why Will was able to be saved in the first place. Jonathan and Will are at their best when they have scenes like this, both as characters and actors. I’m probably one of the few that enjoyed the California group (admittedly mainly cause of Argyle) but I think if they had established how these two have grown apart and how Jonathan feels guilty about it (and his other issues) in the beginning of the season, it could’ve been better. It seems hopeful they’ll be back to this tho in season 5

@gerdtt79

Жыл бұрын

I think they're more missions than adventures. Adventures makes them sound fun when there actually very scary and dangerous.

@22taylorsversion9

Жыл бұрын

It just sucks how overexplored are some dynamics in the series like Dustin & Steve but how underlooked some other dynamics have been for so long. When they reunite in the finale of season 4, Joyce has an scene hugging Eleven, but not even her own children? The California storyline could've been incredibly good if they had focused on the Byers dynamic as a family with a new member in episodes 1-2-3, but it was all just so faded and sidelined

This is exactly why Jonathan is underrated. He's my favorite character!

We need more Jonathan and Will scenes! This just proves how ignored and left out he has been feeling, and just hearing that his brother will be there for him is what he needed. I think his real and true best friend is Jonathan in my opinion. He has always been there for Will, this matches up with one of my fav scenes when Will gets called zombie boy and Jonathan comforts him! Just seeing them bond makes me so happy and just warms my heart! I know how it feels to be third wheeled and it is awful, I’m glad his brother came through, this was one of my favorite scenes! Seeing Will cry made me cry and want to give him a big hug!

@Tonycillian5

Жыл бұрын

Jonathan is Will's Father, Brother, and best friend. And Will lives to give Jonathan purpose and he cares about Jonathan so much that you can see he was so relived that his brother came back to him. Perfect scene and Jonathan and Will's relationship is by far the best in the show

@PokidotGamer898

Жыл бұрын

@@Tonycillian5 I agree

Jonathan is literally the best character out of everyone. I hate how so many people are too blind to see how perfect he is. He's willing to do anything for his family or friends in order to protect them or make them feel happy. He's so selfless and always puts others in front of himself. And compared to Steve Jonathan has never had a single hateful scene. I don't care if my opinion is underrated or if people don't understand my point of view but Jonathan remains my favorite until the end.

god this scene is so beautifully written and acted. the way jonathan starts with just saying how much he wants to talk with will more. because he knows will is struggling. he sees will having a difficult time with his sexuality, with his friendships, with his mental health. without even saying anything, jonathan knows that will feels lonely and scared. it’s so beautiful the way they hug, and everything is okay again. amazing way to show how supportive jonathan is as a brother to will, no matter who he loves or who he is. magical.

@palomaariasmarhuenda8810

Жыл бұрын

The hug is so cute

This scene is even more emotional now and I already bawled everytime I watched it. So proud of and happy for Noah ♡♡

I love that one of the most emotional scenes in ST4 started with " Do you remember that time you told me you had a Lego stuck up your nose "

Jonathan is the most underlooked character in the series. He has so much potential and they should really work more on his issues and probably how depression was the reason for him to get stoned. I want him to end up going to NY college, that was his dream since he was a kid

This scene is so wholesome it made me cry, I never have these kind of stuff happen to me and my siblings

I always cry at this scene 😭😭 Jonathan is the best big brother ❤

Jonathan is such a good person, this scene makes me cry

@jayshannon9706

2 ай бұрын

So you fandom need to show some damn respect for Jonathan because let's face it he's the best character in stranger things despite the duffers writing in him

“i guess im more similar to will than i thought” 😭😭

I think most of us can agree that while Will was of course saying he loves and supports his brother, he was also indirectly telling him “I know you’re gay and that’s okay. I love you regardless and that will never change.”

That's why Jonathan is my favourite character.

This scene hits differently now that Noah’s come out as gay. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t fully acting in this scene

@WillByer240

Жыл бұрын

:(

@firstname4653

Жыл бұрын

exactly why i came back. this and the one where will and mike were sitting on top of the van talking about how hard it is to open up about your feelings to those you love most have always just hit me incredibly hard and felt really realistic, i really couldn’t figure out how a group of “straight” people (writers, actor) could have gotten it that accurate. don’t get me wrong, he’s a great actor, but there has to be an element of reality in these scenes from him. it all just makes so much sense now and breaks me even more

@pissbobamashups

Жыл бұрын

I feel like even tho it was in the script, Charlie's "I'm here for u" was genuine. Like imagine, Noah was in the closet scared to tell anyone, and then charlie comes up to him and saying this during this scene...also Noah's voice crack is genuine. I can see it. And I feel like the hug wasn't just will and Jonathan. It was Noah and Charlie

@filijimenez6017

Жыл бұрын

Will is gay

@pissbobamashups

Жыл бұрын

@@filijimenez6017 Noah came out Jan 5 lol

The one thing about the Byers that I've loved since season 1 is all of them are very accepting of people and situations. They try to understand rather than dismissing something outrightly.

Out of all the final moments for characters to have their talks this was the one that broke me. My older brother was my world and my best friend and he knew I was different and got picked on for it but he didn’t care because I was his little bother and he always wanted to look out for me and do the things I liked to do because he knew what it meant to me just to see me smile. He passed away in 2017 and I’ve never been the same and seeing will and John bond throughout the series always made me think of him because when John said “ I never want you to forget that I’m here, and I ll always be here” really made me wish I could hear my brothers say that and just would give anything to hug him one more time. Miss and always love Jermaine ✊🏿

Knowing this scene was added after Noah's acting in the van I love it more.... But I really really love how happy Will is to be talking to his brother again and that Jonathan kinda sees the error of his ways

Now knowing the recent news of his coming out, noah wasn’t just acting. He really felt it.

This was probably most heart-felt conversation between to brothers

Jonathan is the best big brother ever

Jonathan is an amazing brother

That was emotional.

I’m 25 and my brother is 34. We’ve never been close and I don’t think he even likes me that much. To have a brother like this, well.. you can’t understand how envious I am.

I'm happy that Jonathan is one of the people who actually care for Will because he is going through a lot and needs support.

I died of tenderness when Jonathan told Will that he loved him. Really that Will needs his older brother. Jonathan is Will's energy, he is his happiness. The byers brothers💖

Will really needed to hear that, especially from the person he loved and respected the most.

It’s weird I was watching this video yesterday the exact same day Will’s actor came out

@pinkalora5457

Жыл бұрын

wait what?

This made me cry so hard I cannot believe Jonathan already knew that what Will was going through and we're proud of him 🥺🥺 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

This scene makes my heart melt. #siblingslovetoeachother

This scene goes to show that these two will get better treatment next season, don't stress The Byers Brothers will return to their best next season.

@PokidotGamer898

Жыл бұрын

I know, like when I hear him cry talk, I can’t help but cry with him, because he has been shunned and left out for the whole of season 3 and beginning of season 4. Like I’m just imagining myself in his position and I feel so bad for Will, he really needed to hear that from Jonathan. His friends, especially mike, made him feel like he didn’t matter in season 3, and that he wasn’t important, and that really sucks! At least they all made up in the end, I hope the party gets back together. Because I don’t feel like they fully reunited.

Why am I crying?? This is so adorable

I feel like Jonathan and Will are criminally underrated

@charlieandthechocfactrules9186

Жыл бұрын

No they're not. I mean there nice and all but there pretty boring

@jayshannon9706

2 ай бұрын

I mean Jonathan is the most underrated sadly

One of my favourite scenes from season 4 definitely ❤

@calowenby1654

Ай бұрын

Same here. I rewatch it fairly often tbh.

This scene seems even more important and meaningful to me now that Noah has come out. I am so immensely proud of him 😭

Jonathan is more like a father than a brother to Will. Best Brothers😍 🙌. Joyce is very lucky for her boys👩‍👦‍👦❤.

@charlieandthechocfactrules9186

Жыл бұрын

he's not a father. he's simply a great big brother.

If there was ever an award for best brother it would go to johnathan

This is one of my favourite scenes from the entire show. It was so relatable for me and Will really needed that comfort! Yes Jonathan!

I feel like will keeps getting friendzoned in stranger things especially because of their girlfriends, i love him 🥺 noah's acting in this scene is amazing

@Sassywizard

Жыл бұрын

@Kevin S no, only Mike.

Finally we got a good scene with Jonathan, we haven’t had one since fricking season 1!

I have a great relationship with my brother, and love him to death. He’s always there for me if I need help or just to talk. These scenes with these two always had a lot of emotional value for me and always makes me tear uo

Noah's acting is so good and phenomenal. What a powerful and emotional scene for me to watch. Seeing Will cry made me want to cry along with him. Noah is such an amazing and talented young actor, and, Oh yeah, Jonathan is a sweet big brother towards Will, despite being a stoner and not talking to Will very often. And Charlie is also an amazing actor as well.

Who's here after Noah Schnapp's TikTok revelation?

I think Jonathan doesn’t get enough love. It seems like everyone obsesses over Steve and Eddie even through the latter was only in one season. (Of course I love both these characters too)

Two great characters. And actors. Hope they have a great season 5. They are vital to the show.

This scene made me cry and think of my own brother who I haven’t talked to in over a year. 😢

this was my favorite scene of the series

Wow…Almost teared up from rewatching this.

I feel so bad for jonathan and all the hate the character has. He is so underrated by everyone. Make me sick. Really.

@gerdtt79

10 ай бұрын

Funny people always say he gets so much hate, yet I usually only see nothing but love for him

@MntlWard

8 ай бұрын

@@gerdtt79 Yeah, who hates Jonathan? I never see that.

@catarinemarques231

3 ай бұрын

@@gerdtt79he’s not hated as much as ignored by everyone. I I haven’t seen Jonathan being hated by the fandom like I’ve seen Jason, Mike, Nancy or Billy. They just ignore him

I want Jonathon as an older brother

This is what makes stranger things such a good show. The characters and their relationships are what make me come back. And I for one can’t wait to see where everyone lands in S5.

@calowenby1654

Ай бұрын

Same with me! I'm intrigued.

this scene was definitely needed. now we need nancy and mike to do this

@charlieandthechocfactrules9186

Жыл бұрын

Mike and Nancy aren't siblings

@vitamindeeznutz4102

Жыл бұрын

@@charlieandthechocfactrules9186 bruh

@charlieandthechocfactrules9186

Жыл бұрын

@@vitamindeeznutz4102 I've nearly been sure what a BRUH means. Please be more specific

@someoneyoumightnotknow597

11 ай бұрын

​@@charlieandthechocfactrules9186its been 9 months, I hope that you have came to the realisation that Mike and Nancy are siblings.

@aoq2

10 ай бұрын

@@charlieandthechocfactrules9186😂😂

made me cry harder than the end. heartwrenchingly beautiful

The relief will felt in that moment was so heartwarming

Love this scene. Definitely was necessary, it’s good the duffers wrote this in after the crying in the van scene.

If your here after Noah came out 👇

As a big brother myself tears rolled by my eyes when i saw this

When I watched this scene with my family, I won’t lie when I say I cried so hard. I feel like this scene represents my brother and I sometimes. I normally never open up to him about a lot, but he always tells me that I can and in the moments of watching this, it brought me to tears. I gave him a hug afterwards

I legit sobbed during this scene

re really don't get enough moments with these two in the show