Wildlife Expert Reviews Extinct Ivory-Billed Woodpecker Photos
We review a photo and video submission of an alleged Ivory-Billed Woodpecker.
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This is a brilliant idea for a segment, boys. Please make this a regular thing, I really like the interactive aspect and encouraging people to get outside and pay more attention to the wildlife that's around us. Excellent stuff, gents, and good luck to bird watchers and cryptid "hunters", I know we'd all love to see a verifiable, authenticated image of an Ivory Billed Woodpecker or a thylacine.
@michaelhenderson2046
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@cleverusername9369
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelhenderson2046 how lucky are we? I grew up watching and worshiping Steve Irwin, I'm sure he'd be extremely proud of what Forrest and the crew are doing. Getting the audience engaged, that's what it's all about!
@jacksonbickford4783
Жыл бұрын
Brilliantly brilliant my friend from across the pond.
@mjnelligan7288
Жыл бұрын
I seen one yesterday ill try for a picture
@radioraffa
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant to get Views
The thing everyone is overlooking is the Pileated woodpeckers do have white on their wings, it's just not as apparent as on Ivory-billed, who have predominantly white wings essentially, to the point where the white would be far more visible regardless of wing position. The woodpecker here has predominantly black wings with white stripes, stripes that would be hidden when the wings close. the white seems to go past the underarm below the neck, unlike the Ivory bill, where the white doesn't touch the underside at all. As much as I want to believe the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker is still alive, this is likely just an Pileted Woodpecker.
@Ledcow
Жыл бұрын
I agree. The white on the wings is not as significant as is should be for an IBW.
@jp05598
Жыл бұрын
But in the side by side comparison the only bird with a black crest is the ivory billed female and the bird in the photo has a black head…? What am I missing?
@RedFox04190
Жыл бұрын
Got lucky to watch a pair of pileated woodpeckers through my rifle scope for a couple minutes while hunting😍. Awesome birds.
@logancraig8034
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but male and female Pileated woodpeckers both have red covering the top of their heads which isn’t visible at all in these images and videos, but I do agree that there is so little white on this bird that it’s unlikely that it could be
@jp05598
Жыл бұрын
@@logancraig8034 doesn’t the bird in the photo appear to have a black head?
My call (former ornithologist here) is that it is a juvenile Pileated. Juveniles can have all sorts of wonky patterning of feathers especially when they are molting into adult plumage
@robs257
Жыл бұрын
isnt it too big for a juvenile pileated?
@hockeyrd99
8 ай бұрын
@@robs257 Waste of time comparing size. You can't tell how big it is from a photo like this.
@GisherJohn24
Ай бұрын
I'm ignorant and new here. Is it possible it's a Hybrid? We'd have to confirm if they interbreed
I want so much more of these segments, especially if theyre all as close as this one
Like another commenter said, at 3:35 there is a clear picture of the back of the bird. Clearly a Pileated Woodpecker. An amazing bird in of itself, but not a Ivory-billed.
@brightonmerrell9114
Жыл бұрын
i agree
@valdivia1234567
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I regularly have Pileateds around my house and this is one.
@nikgaffron
Жыл бұрын
agreed, 100% sure its a pileated.
This is definitely a pileated woodpecker. I have a great video of a female that has gotten some light coloring in her wings with age. At a distance with a cellphone it would look more white when you tried to sharpen the image.
@eolsunder
Жыл бұрын
plus, i really didn't see any red that i expected.
@RipOffProductionsLLC
11 ай бұрын
@@eolsunderwell, the red is a male only feature... but yeah, it is unclear.
I am an Ornithologist and the photos are extremely intriguing. I would love to get in contact with JJ somehow.
@HUNTERS_CRACKPIPE
Жыл бұрын
Hey there, JJ here. I'd love to help out with this!
@bray633
Жыл бұрын
I think I've actually seen one. My parents were stationed in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba back 87-89 and swear that was same woodpecker.
@scout3058
Жыл бұрын
@@HUNTERS_CRACKPIPEI moved out of Slidell two years ago. I saw one in Slidell, on Marina Dr in Eden Isles in 2020. I'll gladly show you on Google Earth the exact tree that it was in.
@MurderBong
Жыл бұрын
EXTINCT? THERE’S A FAM THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME IN THE FOREST. WE CALL THE RED HEAD ‘WOODY’.. 3-4FT TALL WHEN HE WAS ON OUR STUMP 15FT FROM US ONE DAY. 😂 (ONTARIO CANADA)
@rt5arge
Жыл бұрын
@@MurderBong You know there are two types that look nearly identical to the common eye? One thought to be extinct and one not? Takve vid/pics and send em in
Guys, PLEASE make each of these segments a public video. I LOVE this kinda stuff, and I’m sure everyone else does too!
This is the best wild times segment yet, the almost candid discussion between the 3 of you guys is fantastic. More of this please
For some reason I thought somebody already had rediscovered it. Looks so majestic for a wooedpecker, almost like a stork bill and neck. Hope it gets found again some day
@Imugi007
Жыл бұрын
Alot of people think they've seen it. It's just so hard to get a good picture of it, and it's very easy to misidentify a pileated for an ivory billed.
@KDthunder2009
Жыл бұрын
I thought so too because I just read an article about it like 4-5 days ago.
@davis4555
Жыл бұрын
People claimed to have fou d some in Arkansas back in 2004 or around that time. The photos were compelling and there were call-recordings. The issue was when ornithologists went out there, they couldn't find any trace. There was strong evidence, but no conclusive proof.
@earthsciteach
Жыл бұрын
In the last couple of weeks I’ve been seeing reports that researchers from Penn State found one in Louisiana.
@Imugi007
Жыл бұрын
@@earthsciteach if you're talking about the sightings from the National Aviary in Pittsburgh, it's bullshit. The pictures are so bad you can't see shit.
Ok but if it asks for $3.50 it's not a woodpecker at all it's the Loch Ness monster
I saw a large pileated woodpecker once and I memorized exactly what the coloration of it’s wings looked like as it took flight, just in case I was miraculously witnessing an ivory billed. Pileated can actually become quite large and their coloring is so similar. Fade sightings will always be here, as long as pileated woodpeckers are around.
@danparish1344
2 ай бұрын
*Fake sightings
It's amazing how these animals always know to go near people with crappy cameras, and never the thousands of dedicated birders with real photography equipment.
Guys you are really the best man! We literally have experiences how it is to look at some footage of any potential re-discoveries! Thank you! I hope we will see it every week! So exciting stuff
Those AI image enhancers aren't admissible in court because they add pixels that aren't there in the original photo. The software works by basically guessing what the surrounding pixels should look like and adds them
@deaj8450
Жыл бұрын
You would think so but I've seen AI enhanced images get put into court despite that. In the Rittenhouse case specifically, and the defense made the same argument you did. The judge didn't understand or didn't care.
This is the most intriguing 15 min of video I’ve ever watched lol I love watching you guys break this down
If you take a screen shot of the photo and zoom in as close as you can go, zoom in on where the white strip is going down it’s wing, you can actually kinda see a faint white stripe continuing down its body. The white stripe might actually be just covered up by it’s wing like Patrick said.
@actionmovieFXer
Жыл бұрын
I agree in the side by side the pileated’s white part of the head ends quite abruptly. In the picture of the bird you can see a point in the white where there’s a corner and it changes direction to down the wing like the ivory billed
@billiam6071
Жыл бұрын
@@actionmovieFXer yes exactly
@smokeymountainstoner2671
Жыл бұрын
@@actionmovieFXerI was hoping someone else notices the difference in the white on their heads. I'm convinced
@billiam6071
Жыл бұрын
@@smokeymountainstoner2671 yea I noticed that too, the pileated has a lot more white on its head and in this photo there isn’t much white on the head.
@jacobmeier19
Жыл бұрын
It’s important to remember that cell phone cameras (especially when using sharpening tools) lead to various shadows and light reflections that can make for a pretty convincing white color, in this case on the bird's primaries and shoulder
Such a great idea and fun to watch..Please do more of this it’s great entertainment and we can all learn stuff….Thank You
INCREDIBLE CONTENT!! I'd watch a whole Playlist of this for hours on end.
This is definitely a series I would love to follow being able to hear thoughts and reasonings on alot of these mystery footage/photos
I love this idea for community engagement!
They keep saying you can't see the beak but in the photos you can and it appears to be black. I think it would be amazing if the Ivory-bill was still alive, and it might be in very remote locations, but I honestly think it really is truly, sadly, extinct.
@dogtoddy
4 ай бұрын
The "very remote locations" aren't real. It sounds great as an idea, but if you really look, there aren't very remote locations that are appropriate habitat.
Brilliant segment! This gets me excited as heck! Love watching y'all's reaction
I live in the Ozarks of Arkansas a little south of the Buffalo River. My wife and I are about 95% certain we saw an ivory billed wood pecker on a tree on our front yard about 10 years ago. It was about the size of a big crow and had an ivory colored bill (obviously) as well as white running down the sides. It didn’t have a red head tho or if it did it wasn't really noticeable. It was pecking away at the tree until we pulled into the driveway, then it flew away and we've never seen it or a bird like it since. This is an extremely rural area, where the closest store is about a 30 minute drive so the fact that one hasn’t been found alive yet isn't a surprise at all.
@sualol101dlm
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for caring for the Ozarks, one of the the best biomes in North America
@forkthepork
Жыл бұрын
The Buffalo is fun to run on a kayak, especially in early spring. We were down there in March, really cool cliffs and waterfalls.
Good enough to go back and look for it
Keep doing more of these love the videos
This is such a good segment, please keep this up!
This is my new favorite segment. Fantastic idea! Great content. Great engagement!
I live in central Arkansas and after seeing the side by side comparison I’m sure I’ve seen a male ivory billed woodpecker when I was squirrel hunting maybe 10-15 years ago. This segment has made me want to start hiking again so I can try to find one of these
@basedkaren51
11 ай бұрын
Do it, go out and search for the bird! 🦅
@dogtoddy
4 ай бұрын
10-15 years ago, you didn't know what you were looking at. Years later you look at some pictures and alter/overwrite your memory.
I’ve done enough birdwatching to know that only a great picture can help distinguish between certain types of birds and even then can be tricky. But there is a lack of the distinctive white on the lower wings which suggests its a Pileated Woodpecker. I didn’t know that Pileated is from the Latin ‘Pileatus’ meaning capped.
@keouine
Жыл бұрын
not just any cap. It's a pilea. a red conical cap. I think it was for freed slaves in Roman empire but I would check Wikipedia to verify. French Revolution re-introduced it .
Love this! What an amazing and intriguing content you guys got going on here😊
The supposedly found two back in probably like 2009 about 10 miles west of my childhood home in McCrory Arkansas. They shut down the entire wildlife refuge for 3 years because of it. Allegedly they found two during that time.
@Just_shush_now
Жыл бұрын
Well they didn’t 😂
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
Жыл бұрын
My mother in law was just mentioning that since we're not super far from there.
Holy balls what a good capture
Not an ivory billed, but love this segment as a wildlife biologist, and one who catching raptors regularly for work.
This was awesome. I hope we get more of this content. As far as the Woodpecker is concerned. There doesn't seem to be any red on it's head. Im calling Ivory Bill.😊
What I think is that Jay Jay should now spend his entire days by that tree waiting for it to come back, with a better camera for sure.
I’m an avid angler down in South Louisiana, there’s a hefty reward for good info on this animal, a lot of people are looking out
@corydaigle1812
Жыл бұрын
i just commented saying its down here. do u remember the news a few years ago when that guy had to be rescued out the lafitte preserve after getting lost following what he believed was the ivory? tons of people down here claim to have seen them after the reward was made public.
@HaVoKhobo504
Жыл бұрын
@@corydaigle1812 I’m actually from lafitte but can’t recall the story. Personally I feel like I’ve seen them a handful of times in and around the Bayou Segnette state park, but I’m no ornithologist. We could all be confusing it with the similar bird but the next time I see one you can be sure I’ll pay close attention and take high quality pics
I absolutely love this as a segment gentlemen!! But for this one unfortunately I think we are missing white at the tip (bottom or end) of the wings no?? It seemed like the white would have been way more obvious at the tip of the feathers based on the comparison photos you showed. But I’m no expert at all!! Love this!!!
if you look at the side by side of the ivory billed and the piliated, the ivory billeds head has more of an upcurved and longer crest, and the pileated is shorter and more flat. the picture from the guy looks like the crest curves up to me, but i'm not a bird guy.
Brilliant idea keep ‘em coming lads
I'm leaning towards a no-go on this one. Cautious optimism is always a good thing in the science world. Great fun, guys, keep it up 👍
I feel incredibly inspired by this segment. I am determined to get a picture of the huge woodpecker that shows up in my backyard every spring so I can get a real good look at it. Its probably a pileated but it's fun to investigate.
@jacobmeier19
Жыл бұрын
Pileateds are super cool too! They’re the largest (extant) woodpecker in North America
@metaloverdose
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobmeier19 I agree. They're definitely a sight to see. The sound of their pecking is incredible. It carries through the forest.
Great video, great idea👍🏼
Dope. Would love to see more! Of either this or a new one +occasional re-views, or updates. (For example, if you make 5 more segmente like this, and have gotten answers from the man you will send the pictures in this video)
Great segment idea. That was some pretty good footage but not clear enough to be definitive. I would keep a close lookout in that area though. I believe there have been other alleged sightings near there so, here's to hope.
@Just_shush_now
Жыл бұрын
It’s not even close to being an ivory billed… people don’t realise how much white is on the wing. It would not have black towards the tip of the wings… primaries would be fully white. In the pic it’s clear that the primaries are black. It’s a pileated. He’s an expert on animals but not on birds.
Several years ago a duck hunter here in Arkansas captured a ivory billed on video. The bird was flying away from him and the white markings on the wings were clearly visible. Several organizations did extensive search’s in the swampy area where it was videoed but couldn’t locate it. Arkansas has some very remote areas that are difficult to access. The Pileated is also a very elusive bird.
@hockeyrd99
8 ай бұрын
Pileated not at all elusive. Very common where I live in PA. In some areas they seem to follow you around.
This is the content we need!!
it's a thylacine
@matthewwelsh294
Жыл бұрын
Oh really because I saw a bird not a freaking wolf like marsupial 😂 😂 😂 😂
@Oreosucka
9 ай бұрын
its a running joke on the podcast the guy isnt serious lol@@matthewwelsh294
Hey guys, this is a great content idea. Might also be cool if you can scrub the meta-data off the pictures and what not so the guy who sent them to you is protected but then post the photos and stuff for us to see, who knows there might be a photographer watching who has a more advanced version of the rendering software.
@bbllaakkeeee
Жыл бұрын
I have pretty advanced software that I can use. Provided that the formatting isn’t severely compressed since this was taken with an iPhone
"and it's pecking" like bruh what. Even the other guys was like yea its a woodpecker that's what woodpeckers do. 😂😂
Great stinking content idea. And thanks for the Louisana man for sending this in
I think it’s literally impossible to tell either way. Odds would say that it’s pillared given the data we have suggests it could be either. Whichever it is, great idea for a segment.
What are the chances the Pileated and Ivory-billed bred together?
Awesome content keep it up. Its nice to see another Forrest with a wildlife addict.
@larsonfamilyhouse
Жыл бұрын
My grandma used to bird with a man named Forrest:)
i love this, you guys are awesome!
God I hope this bird is still out there, i LOVE woodpeckers!
I do not care about birds at all, and this was one of the more exciting podcast clips I’ve watched. Very excited for more of this series!!
This was cool fellas. It makes me wanna wonder through the woods!
Good stuff , these shows will be fun
Not all the female ivory billed have white fully on the back. It could be a genetic mutation or "morph" of a pileated. Certain mutations such as axanthic or anerythristic dampen the red pigmentation. Great segment guys!
@doogaloo5904
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. Expression of color and patterns can vary for each species, but it is just as likely that in their photo, the woodpecker is tucking its wing counter-clockwise so we can only see a tiny strip of white. The band of white across the wing seals it for me that it is an ivory billed.
@seandewar47
Жыл бұрын
@horace sheffield In that same podcast he acknowledges he has to take claim like that with a grain of salt. he even used that "Dogs that play with thylacines" line as an example. Hate him all you like but don't take what he says out of context
@coreyhamby2989
Жыл бұрын
@@seandewar47He ne er said it was a friend that said that. He was mentioning it as an example like you said. He basically said he gets all kinds of stories like the guy that claims his dogs were playing with a thylacine. But it just so happened he was always either without a camera or it was "too dark" to take a picture.
@seandewar47
Жыл бұрын
@@coreyhamby2989 i know, never mentioned the friend bit, that was the guy I was replying to. And the rest of your comments was more or less what my comments was saying
Be warned the AI app thing might make the photos more similar to the present living bird.
@KendrickMan
Жыл бұрын
Definitely.
What a great segment. Very fun boys!
This is hands down the best idea you've had so far
Unless it’s some weird morph, it’s not a Pileated. I don’t see a red head. After watching enough of Extinct or Alive I know to be skeptical as well. Can’t wait to see follow ups.
@firecracka94
Жыл бұрын
It is at 9:23 you can see the dark red crest. It's darker due to the shadow. However, you can see the different shade. Or at least I can
@brandonvanleeuwen1832
Жыл бұрын
@@firecracka94 I'm pretty sure I see red as well
@andrewhelmer9721
Жыл бұрын
The shadows can easily make the red head look black. I think this is a Pileated. It's interesting to see this, but I think we'd see way more white on the body if it was an ivory billed.
Bros You’ve been talking about this forever. Put something together. It’s close, you believe they might still be out there. It’s a trip to another US state, some cameras, etc. it’ll cost you $10k tops to do a KZread special hunting the thing. This is close enough to check out. Monetize the video, but try to do a KZread thing. You’ve got friends making crazy money on KZread. Extinct-or-Alive-style KZread specials could be an awesome way to grow the channel. Shit, partner with Brave Wilderness. They do stuff like this all the time, I bet they’d be down to co-fund and cross-promote.
Can't wait for the next episode of this nature - what a great idea.
Good show..I'm looking forward to more like this.
I bet you that you will find some extinct animal doing this
I feel like they missed the fact that the Pileated Woodpecker has more stripes on its face than the Ivory-Billed, and the stripe goes over the eye. Contrarily, the single stripe on the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker starts on the cheek. This looks like an Ivory-Billed Woodpecker to me! 👍
Please do more vids like this when people send you pics/videos, or when they appear on the internet! I guarantee that I will watch every single one.
Clearly white on the wing and no red on the head
In Struthers, Ohio is a deep lake called Lake Hamilton. It is 197 feet deep at its deepest. Growing up nearby, I did a lot of fishing there as a kid. I saw a lot of huge fish and turtles there, but one day, when I was 8 years old, I saw something I would never forget. Fishing in the backwaters there, I saw a huge turtle that was NOT a snapping turtle or a soft shell turtle. I would guess that on the smallest estimate, it was over 20 feet across, and it didn't have feet. Nor flippers. It had a weird combination of both. I watched it swim underwater from where I was sitting in crystal clear water. It was moving really fast, and it was green, yellow, and black. I would have thought that I was seeing things, but 30 years later. 2 years ago, I saw it again while I was driving by the lake. It was just the head, but it was enormous. I think that it could be a new species or possibly an extinct species that is not extinct. The lake is closed, and there's no trespassing signs everywhere. There is something huge there.
There's a place I hunt that I see large woodpeckers. I didn't know about this Ivory bill woodpecker but now I'll start trying to get pics just in case!
I like this set up. Review everything on the pod so you can quickly tell people why it's a mistaken identity or something else. Natural education process taking place aswell while watching for a casually curious guy like me
I moved out of Slidell LA 2 years ago, the exact area they had been to while looking for it on the show. I saw an Ivory Billed woodpecker in the tree next to my house on Marina Dr, in the Eden Isles neighborhood of Slidell, in 2020. I said this in a comment about a year ago and I was immediately ridiculed for saying so (not by Forest or his crew but by idiot internet know it alls).
This is a really awesome segment
You know how many damn Pileateds I've seen hiking in The Everglades? I get all excited each time, hoping it's an Ivory.
Love this.What a great idea for a show.
Idk how often yall are gonna do these types of videos but it got a follow from me
This was awesome!
About a week few years ago before the news had found an ivory-billed woodpecker me and my friend was at a local Creek shooting birds with our shotguns and the ivory-billed woodpecker flew over I knew immediately it was something special and told my friend not to shoot
I have a remote hunting farm in southern AR about the same situation when i found what i believe was an ivory billed woodpecker living in my attic .no red head just jet black and white the space was an old loft area that we no longer use and she had one hell of a nest.....Did not think to get photos at the time until i got home here to WI and looked it up i shit bricks..... cant wait to see her again this fall and confirm with photos ... i should have put a trail cam up there to get her on cam.
I think one of the most impactful things someone can do for American Ornithology is to buy everyone in southern Louisiana a decent camera
3:30 😂 "Can you go back to the actual one again Kyle" as they show a picture from the backside of the bird. Great video though!
Great content!
Love this idea of people sending in videos and pictures
love the set up
It would be good if JJ sent a more thorough description of the encounter. Not to be forgotten is the unique sounds this bird makes. From it's hammer like pecking of the tree to the "hank-hank" like a child's toy horn. With my own personal encounters including audible encounters, I'd venture they are not extinct, but very hard to find. These encounters were in Middle Ga. Near a large lake but little population. Large amounts of Pine forest.
I Love this! Almost want to make pictures of all animals i see just to make sure..
Uhg! Perfect example of why there are SO many false sightings of the Ivory Billed.
Please do more of these segments
Loving the show and great idea for this segment. I hope JJ is right but it's hard to see it for sure in the pics👍✌
Good thing the zoom on phone cameras keeps getting better and better, soon people will actually be able to take good pictures of things like this
I agree that it is most likely the pileated woodpecker. On another note this idea for a series is amazing to me.
Ft Polk Louisiana…. May 2020. I was spending a month training there with my unit. We was way out in the sticks. I have seen one, and my fellow mates seen it as well. NO DOUBT BRO!
Wild Times, bay-bay!!!
This segment was awesome
I like when the dude in the middle was like I’m not a bird scientist but that’s definitely an extinct bird 😂
I get to enjoy pilliated (sorry for spelling) in my area all the time. I would love to see an ivory woodpecker show up. The only things that has me scratching my head is that cap looked very dark, not red at all. I've seen both the male and female pilliated and they both have distinct red caps.
@jamesa8851
Жыл бұрын
I know the the easiest determining factor is a lack of red head.
@laattardo
Жыл бұрын
@jamesa8851 I'm in the northeast and will never see an ivory bill even if they are miraculously making a come back and I sure as bleep hope so!
This was so cool. Imagine someone finds a dodo.