A follow-up on the Wiha SpeedE Electric screwdriver from the Mailbag, showing the EasyTorque adapter and it's apparent uselessness.
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@wpef5 жыл бұрын
This Screwdeiver is for Electrical installation work. When you are installing thousands of breakers per year. You screw in the contact in electricly and then apply the correct torque with one of those Slip-Clutches by Hand. It's a very specific Tool for a very specific industry, nothing for regular electronics/repair work.
@johnalexander2349
5 жыл бұрын
I've installed DBs like that. Dozens of meters x 4 terminals per meter x 2 screws per terminal... and I wouldn't use this. Too slow, wrong form factor, and the "clutch" doesn't seem to work. Get the proper tool.
@Orbis92
5 жыл бұрын
As an industrial electrician I wouldn't use that tool . Even those small screws on a 30 year old breaker or relay would be to much for this tool. And if you are using this tool for installing new stuff only, you would go with something like the Panasonic Dave talked about, which can be set precisely to the required torque for a specific screw (terminal) for example. There is no point in doing it with this tool just to do the final Nm by hand anyway. I had the toy version of this thing: www.dwt-gmbh.de/userfiles/image/gallery/panasonic-akku-knickschrauber-ey6220/1-panasonic-akku-knickschrauber-ey6220.jpg And it just was enough to pull out some M4, max M5 screws, and with my feel-o-vision I would guess it had more power that the Wiha, even it was a toy...thing this is a complete fail for its price! I just want to know with electrician would use this thing in everyday work environment....
@todayonthebench
5 жыл бұрын
Yes Orbis92, and industrial electrician wouldn't. (screwless solutions are after all nice when one will redo it once in a while. Or just want less hassle during maintenance. (both being very normal and daily occurrences in the industrial scene.)) A consumer one still faces an abundance of screws on everything from breakers, switches, outlets, among other things in the every day consumer home. And the whole idea with this screw driver is to lessen the risk for repetitive strain injuries. But yes, it is a bit overpriced.
@timballam3675
5 жыл бұрын
The Panasonic is not up to the job full stop max torque is 17.5in lbf that's only 1.98NM ! Take a :Hager board for one example the only screws that could tighten are Earth and neutral bus bar connections for wires with a diameter of 1.5mm or less! You need 2.8NM for a MCB and 3.6NM for a SB Switch. The torque adaptor being 4NM is 35.4in lbf. Also the Panasonic torque is only aprox.....
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
we keep saying that - but which one? ....or is it like other 'ergonomic' stuff - which is way more expensive and made of inferior materials (paying for the ergonomic label basically?)
@K9-335 жыл бұрын
The extension is a torque indicator. It will click and the yellow ring and red adapter will rotate in opposite directions when the torque value by hand in reached. Torque extensions up to 7.0 Nm are available.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
I tightended it up until I thought it was going to break and it still didn't click or rotate.
@PK-sj4xe
5 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog2 Then it's a broken torque indication :)
@leocurious9919
5 жыл бұрын
Try a torque wrench or is ur hand calibrated? Also: How much torque can PH2 (the bit) or PZ2 (the screw) handle? Whia* says 5.5Nm max *www.wihatools.com/max-torque-blades Then there is the muscle problem. Here is a masters thesis* talking about things like "physical ability to apply torque": "mean value of 3.3 Nm (SD 1.2) and range of 1.9 Nm to 5.8 Nm measured as part of this study where an actual work task was performed." So this torque "adapter" is not going to get to the 2.8Nm because thats a lot of torque (ballpark maximum) without leverage. Just use a torque wrench and measure it. *epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1226&context=theses_open
@SeanHodgins5 жыл бұрын
The problem is you weren't applying 2.8nm. It would be difficult to apply that much torque to a phillips head without it slipping or stripping. Try a flat head or torx. All of the things you're complaining about were most likely specifically engineered that way. The wobble, the torque slip, the motor cut out, all designed for a specific application. The wobble is likely built in so the handle has some compliance when its turning, to stop the screwdriver from producing a force on your hand if you're not exactly concentric with the screw. This is obviously built into the design considering the rubber oring that holds the bit it. I could be wrong though.
@SeanHodgins
5 жыл бұрын
Bob Sacamano I’m fairly certain I can apply 2.8Nm with the twist of my hand. I’m thinking of when I had a torque wrench in my hand and setting it really low, I could easily make it hit the torque “click” by just gripping the socket that’s on it. The limiting factor is the Phillips screw, and the machine he is attempting to torque it to. I believe this is for electrical panels and wire connections that require a specific torque to be to a certain electrical code.
@lemech
5 жыл бұрын
The torque limiter is not rated 8Nm, only the screwdriver without the limiter is. Even so, the bit itself is not rated 8Nm. Depending on the bit size, some are much lower than 8Nm and some are closer to 8 Nm. 8Nm covers the entire range of bits though. I have the Makita cordless screwdriver and 2.8 Nm is about the top end of the torque setting. Like what Sean mentioned, manual 2.8Nm for a philips can be difficult.
@timballam3675
5 жыл бұрын
@Bob Sacamano the adaptor is 4NM the 8NM is the safe working load for the body of the driver?
@jort93z
5 жыл бұрын
pozidriv can be used with a lot of torque as well. You can apply 2.8 nm, but not gonna be easy with a phillips head cause you'll have to push on it for it to not slip.
@leocurious9919
5 жыл бұрын
He used a phillips bit (PH2) on the PZ2 screw in the DUT (multimeter or whatever). He also didnt use a torque wrench to actually measure anything... this video, sadly, contains next to nothing...
@DrakkarCalethiel5 жыл бұрын
Send it to AvE, we need a proper BOLTR! :D
@Blasterxp
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@sydmichel
5 жыл бұрын
He'd use it to stir his coffee
@gafaff
5 жыл бұрын
He'll just talk about the plastic spec, say hello to Chickadee then break it.
@scribblargh
5 жыл бұрын
@Gaf, that's what he said, a proper BOLTR!
@amirs5512
5 жыл бұрын
@@scribblargh eh
@allthegearnoidea67525 жыл бұрын
Apart from the an wobble, this really is a thing of beauty. To answer your question no your not using it right. The torque adapter is to stop over tightening of terminals as this causes the copper wire to creep which ends up loosening the terminals.
@tursilion5 жыл бұрын
I'm still wondering why you didn't take it apart. ;)
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Because I think it would be destructive
@JustinAlexanderBell
5 жыл бұрын
Don't turn it on, take it apart!
@sugarbooty
5 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog2 It would be cool to see the guts, maybe you could get one just to take apart?
@Jedda73
5 жыл бұрын
Because its his "precious". I wouldn't want to risk breaking it either, who wants to fork out $500 for another one?
@ElectraFlarefire
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe when he decides it's no longer worth using, it'll be pulled apart?
@michelfeinstein5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the wobble is a feature? For example, with the wobble you can have some misalignment and still don't detach the tool from the screw while spinning
@mr_gerber5 жыл бұрын
Just to underline the function of the easytorque - it's not related to the electric function at all, it was already a product in the slimvario product line, and is meant to torque limit a normal hand operated exchangeable-bit screwdriver. I'm not excluding the possibly that the unit you got was broken, but bear in mind that 2.8Nm is quite a lot of torque on such a small screw, even though you have quite a solid grip on that handle.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Well given that it's the largest tip in the kit and I was putting all my force on it until I felt like it was going to break, and it *still* didn't limit or slip, I can only conclude that it doesn't work?
@AnatoFIN
5 жыл бұрын
EEVblog2 You could fix an aluminum bar to bolt. Then put the bolt through a hole in a plate. Lastly put know weight to bar at correct distance and you have a grudge torque measure device. You can calculate the torque = 1/2 bar length * bar mass + weight distance * weight mass. Mass in Newton’s and the torque is against gravity, ie rotationally lifting the bar and the weight. 2.8Nm is a lot of torque for a screw. If you haven’t done it in a measure way before, you should, I’ll bet you will be surprised.
@MarkTillotson
5 жыл бұрын
Very rough guides to torque in human terms: 1Nm - finger and thumb, 10Nm turning a big screwdriver, 100Nm turning a steering wheel (two hands).
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
confirms my thoughts on this being a fail if it doesnt do that at all.. i mean its the 21th century right? .........this is not a bleeding edge power density tool RIGHT?.........shouldnt be that hard to sense torque semi-accurately and have nice options for control and adjustment right? .......... well you might have to buy a special motor with a very stable Nm/A constant but i dont think thats where the money went on this thing - frankly i dont know. Be carefull with these, they might have implemented a black hole inside that sucked the extra +100$ inside of itself.
@johncundiss90985 жыл бұрын
I do not understand the easy torque adapter. But in my minds eye.... This tool is not meant to break free or tighten screws. It is more meant to greatly reduce multiple screw removal/replacement without a lot of wrist twisting. Once the screw is free it will spin it out for you right quick. Upon reassembly the driver will spin it in quickly, stop at a light torque then allow you to snug the screw proper by feel. I do not think it was meant as a regular tighten and loosen driver, more just to keep from doing a lot of cranking when doing a lot of screw fasteners.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but as you said, how does the torque adapter work? and why do they include it?
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
Yeap. very right. I have no clue why that was included. Maybe for the screws you need to baby cause they are weak? Ya know, the ones that are guaranteed to strip on ya. LOL. I will say this as well..... That "WOBBLE" in it, is totally unacceptable. Thought... Assembly of rf shields say on analyzers? Need a lot of screw all torqued the same, and go over 3 times each a bit more till correct? Would this help any? But then there are no torque settings is there....
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
why not get a normal cutsie low-performance cordless drill though ....or one specifically designed for that ....just get inserts and screw those in. its not like this thing is incredibly low form factor either. or a very low form factor torque slip thing to go between? .... The only place i could see this being viable is in very very expensive and special applications where somehow its faster doing it this way or you insist everything is finished by hand.
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
Understand that. In actuality. No motors for me. How about a old fashioned screw driver, that when put in a pile of screws, unlike a magnet one that grabs a bunch of screw and never by the head. Want one where I can put it in my pile of screws and it comes out with the screw on the tip of the driver, ready to be driven. Hope that makes sense. Regardless of all, Love me some Dave Jones.
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
I know what you talking about. I recall seeing one or 2 my dad had when I was a kid. A kind of worm gear driver, push to turn. yeap.
@MrMartinZockt5 жыл бұрын
The adapter will "klick" at 2.8Nm like a normal torque wrench. The torque is at a fix value. You can buy different values from wiha. Maybe your adapter is faulty?
@heavyg16535 жыл бұрын
The torque adapter is used when you are manually tightening a screw. When you tighten the screw to the preset limit shown on the torque adapter the bit will just stop turning further even if you keep turning the handle. The torque adapters are available in different "strengths". Probably not too useful for a homeowner but for a pro it will prevent over-tightening and stripping.
@TheWyleECoyote5 жыл бұрын
RTFM "Just imagine: a screwdriver which allows you to work twice as fast. An electric screw-driving assistant which relieves you of bothersome screw-fastening, yet allows you to finish tightening carefully by hand. Too good to be true? Not at all. The first e-screwdriver from Wiha An electric screwing assistant which relieves professionals of bothersome screw-fastening, yet allows them to finish tightening carefully by hand. Ideal for thread screws and delicate screw fastening tasks. No question about it: speedE® is a true revolution for anyone who works with a screwdriver. With speedE®, you are faster, healthier and more efficient while out on jobs.”
@kjur185 жыл бұрын
What about that yellow part of that adapter? Does it rotate? Maybe it has inside slip ratchet?
@AntonBabiy
5 жыл бұрын
it almost seems like it has raised marks for different settings in relation to the black arrow on the red body... hmmmm
@SantaClaw
5 жыл бұрын
it does...
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
It moves a little bit when the torque is achieved. There are faint indicator marks on the red and yellow parts, and it's supposed to give a click as well.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
No its does not rotate, although it looks like it should.
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
EEVblog2 then it's either broken or you didn't crank it quite hard enough. The parts should move independently quite a bit. If you search for Wiha EasyTorque Adapter Tutorial, they show a closeup in that video.
@marcelh855 жыл бұрын
That torque extension is for tightening screws on industrial equipment, like relays, switches and so, where that 2,8Nm is around the required torque to tighten the contact screws.
@Superwip
5 жыл бұрын
But how does it work?
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It slips.
@Tangobaldy
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it wasn't releasing under huge torture.
@florianf4257
5 жыл бұрын
It is a mechanical clutch for the hand-tightening after the motor stops. Either Daves adapter us broken or he didn't try hard enough (2.8 Nm seems a lot for such a small screw anyways ...)
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
I think he didn't apply enough torque.
@BrekMartin5 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned for Pt 3, the discovery of the turning part with a marker on it :D
@waynetaylor27845 жыл бұрын
Still doesn't explain the exorbitant asking price lol
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
They can ask any price they want...
@waynetaylor2784
5 жыл бұрын
@@JGnLAU8OAWF6 hahaha good luck too them at $500 , I'm guessing they'll sell ZERO
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's not meant for general consumers. You should guess better.
@f4tboy99
5 жыл бұрын
Someone is rich enought to put one in the mail... haha!
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
I thought Wiha sent it.
@antoineroquentin22975 жыл бұрын
I've tried to find an user manual for this thing for 5 minutes and failed ... but to my understanding the easytorque should slip at the rated torque. maybe you need some pliers to test it.
@jeffg35635 жыл бұрын
The torque adapter is supposed to click when it reaches its torque limit. Maybe yours is busted.
@ewaldikemann4142
5 жыл бұрын
Or he can not afford 2.8 Nm in his arms :P
@LaryCotten
5 жыл бұрын
From the wiha site: A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached.
@philoso3775 жыл бұрын
I don’t see a problem in this product on metal screws and not wood screw. It is conceived based on time management for professional maintenance and repairs. You see, it takes a fraction of a second to break loose a bolt in electronic equipment but it will take N times longer to disengage the threads, manually. The powered drive was intended to reduce N down to a small fraction of N and were meant for speed but force. Likewise in manual fastening cycle, N times longer to the last thread only takes a split second to snug it. This tool speed that up. Snugging but stripping the threads (or bending drive tip) is another critical consideration. When working with self tap screws I will not give up the opportunity from receiving torque/force feedback in manual operation at the last moment of quarter turn. Because I need to assure that plastic thread ( or bit tip) will not be blindly stripped down, as it will otherwise be by the motor drive to an unknown torque setting. Those who confused or complaining about this product spend most of their time toying with professional tools but professionals themselves.
@darkgibus5 жыл бұрын
This screwdriver is designed for the electrician. Usualy, the miniture circuit breaker you can have at home must be torque at about 2n.m; no more ! so this screwdriver is perfect if you have to tighten a lot of this circuit breaker.
@todayonthebench5 жыл бұрын
Dave, 1 question. Why are you using an electrician's installation screw driver for tightening a screw on a case? This tool is obviously not intended for the application you are using it for, and its main feature (even somewhat clearly pointed out in your other video (the recommended by doctors part in the marketing blurb)) is that one doesn't need to twist one's wrist/arm repeatedly to screw in a screw. This all results in a lower risk for repetitive strain injuries. Main market being electricians. (And likely not the industrial kind either, since they usually likes to use Wago terminal blocks and such, screws are falling out of favor in the industrial scene. While the consumer scene uses screws, but mainly uses more and more breakers/sockets/switches and other similar things in their electrical installations.)
@cherrybacon97905 жыл бұрын
Like Butze already said- its specifically for electrical installation works. Unlike in US domestic panels, in EU we have to torque each and every breaker with the correct setting (where screws are still used). Such tools enable you to quickly drive in the screws and you just torque the last turn.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Or you could just get a drill driver with settable torque for 1/10 the price. There is no way to justify the price of this thing for the EU or anywhere else. There are far better tools for far less that would do a better job.
@GM-dc8vr5 жыл бұрын
"A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached"
@redtails5 жыл бұрын
isn't that extra piece supposed to be there, so you can put in regular drill bits into it? like if you want to unscrew weird triangle screws, you can easily find bits for it, but not a full wiha thing
@Psychlist19725 жыл бұрын
"It's electric" If you've ever been to a wedding in the US, you probably instantly thought "boogie oogie oogie oogie"
@EyebelieveTheNarrative5 жыл бұрын
What’s the max torque on a #1 Philip’s? Whoever, just because it’s wigs doesn’t make it worth it. Was it made in Germany of Taiwan? They have plants in both countries.
@acespark15 жыл бұрын
Don`t understand the torque adapter well BS 7671 requires all terminations to be tightened to the correct manufactures torque. This information is available on line. Look at set 3 over £543 and all the different torque adapters come with it. So all your termination can be to manufacturers spec. BS 7671 is harmonised across Europe. So this (LAW) applies across Europe and means nothing anywhere else in the known universe. I hope that clears that up
@andersfrihagen3656
5 жыл бұрын
If you think that way, there might be laws/standards that are just valid in United States of America and nowhere else in the known universe. Note that the population of USofA is 327 million, EU is 512million.
@SonicOrbStudios5 жыл бұрын
Check into the dewalt 8v max gyroscopic screwdriver. It's got plenty more features, torque and is nicely compact. A lot of people in HVAC field use this for service work.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah and it's closer to $29 than $299. But let the fan boys Wihahahhahahahahahaha
@PapasDino5 жыл бұрын
Love my Wiha tools but as currently configured this one won't be joining the family on my workbench...more design work needed unfortunately. :(
@techstuffguy82305 жыл бұрын
There is demonstration on KZread: "Tutorial: Wiha easyTorque electric torque Adapter" It's starts slipping.
@nikkicarlson85115 жыл бұрын
Nice one Dave. Love a good follow up.
@hausaffe1005 жыл бұрын
how should a torque Converter work without any additional fix-point, newtons law forbids that
@InfinityDIY
5 жыл бұрын
It is possible if you build it like a Torque Converter as it is build into a Automatic Gearbox for example. You have the Motor as one fixpoint that also turns the main side of it and you have the Screw as the other fix point. Theoretically it should work.
@anullhandle5 жыл бұрын
As a few have said, it could be defective but, the adapter looks like a torque limiter. Does that yellow end ring rotate in with respect to the arrow on the main body to adjust torque?
@BLOCKsignallingUK5 жыл бұрын
Is the wobble as the insulated bits are 6mm across flats, but the handle also accepts 6.35mm bits (non-insulated) ?
@robbedoeslegrand2365 жыл бұрын
Dave, I don't think it is made for what you are doing with it.
@JWH35 жыл бұрын
If they can do 1 electronic torque setting they can do more, probably just monitors motor current, calibrate that from the known mechanical setup, seems pretty simple with a couple of components easily. I don't know how they would get multiple speed settings in there mechanically though, the formfactor probably wouldn't allow it.
@mrbadger99205 жыл бұрын
Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t make it bad. I am an electrician, I am not a fan of wiha, all the wiha stuff I have previously owned wasn’t great for the price. But I like the idea of this driver. I am happy to torque stuff up by feel but love the idea of a compact driver to take all the slack up on a screw especially when there are dozens of repetitive screws to do
@michaelkaliski76515 жыл бұрын
You are not using this tool correctly. It is designed to insert screws without a chance of stripping the threads. The final tightening is intended to be done by hand or using a properly calibrated torque tool if necessary. Right tool for the job, etc.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Wrong tool for the price. Buy a frigging drill driver with a torque setting for $30. If the EU has such stringent torque requirements, there are manual torque slip screwdrivers that are calibrated for that. I believe Wiha even sells some. This is a fail. Just like the power torque wrench Milwaukee is coming out with will be a fail. Wiha generally makes good products, but that doesn't mean they don't do some duds occasionally. This thing will hopefully be pulled from the market fairly quickly and we can all forget it ever existed.
@bobert45225 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being so honest with your reviews. You’re the only you tuber that can receive stuff to review and still be brutally honest.
@geoffwylie49694 жыл бұрын
You apply the rest of the torque by hand. The adaptor is a limiter.
@ZaarsShed6 ай бұрын
There is a second edition of this screwdriver - faster RPM, better light, and two torque settings!
@RealRobotZer05 жыл бұрын
Aren't you suppose to turn the yellow part to set the torque ?
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
Nope, it's fixed.
@johnfrancisdoe15635 жыл бұрын
Need to test this turning against a torque wrench or a weighted arm to check if it actually pulls 0.4Nm on motor and clicks on 2.5Nm . Otherwise you may accidentally destroy screw terminals on your μCurrent when trying to torque them all to spec.
@ThisMicrophoneSoundsCheap5 жыл бұрын
I expect it uses either the motor current sensing or battery overcurrent protection for the "electronic clutch".
@nicholascremato5 жыл бұрын
Why is this screwdriver so ridiculously expensive??? I bought the Hammerhead electric screwdriver for a little over 20 bucks and its great!
@nicholascremato5 жыл бұрын
You don't have the torque adapter installed properly. It has settings and you have it set on 1 to 1
@movax20h5 жыл бұрын
Must be broken. I can't understand it otherwise. Maybe it is to give 1000V CAT III rating? what CAT rating is on a main screwdriver body?
@rianderous87615 жыл бұрын
It's not an adapter. It only is a slip clutch to limit the torque when you tighten the screws by hand to the torque it's rated for.
@mikapirinen2403
5 жыл бұрын
But screwdriver can't produce enought moment. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGt6sppppbOwgLw.html
@2121buster5 жыл бұрын
According to the website the adapter is used to select different torque settings as you can pick a bunch of different ones. Probably some inductive pickup or something.. Price of this thing is ridongculous though.
@jlegen5 жыл бұрын
your torque adapter seems to be broken - it's clearly described on their website, that this thing is a tool to provide the exact torque (according to ISO 6789 :) to a screw, making "click sounds" when reached...
@prenticedarlington27205 жыл бұрын
Surely the torque adapter is meant to work like a torque multiplier, where the input turns a multiple of times more than the output.
@maicod5 жыл бұрын
I already had the same thought after seeing the first video but sadly using the extension bit aka torq adapter didn't pan out as helpful at all
@waynekc015 жыл бұрын
The 4nm adapter is for your when you're finishing the last tightening half-turn of a screw by hand; it will make sure you are at about 4nm, just like any torque wrench minus extra settings because it's compact. Still overpriced.
@boah1668
3 жыл бұрын
how to change nm?
@adcurtin5 жыл бұрын
is the adapter for the 1000v isolation? at 1:41 you can see it says 1000V on it.
@WillowFox5 жыл бұрын
I almost think that once it snugs down with the little motor, you grab the "E-Z Torque" and turn it hard like a screwdriver.
@timmehh895 жыл бұрын
As someone who wires control panels for a living I can see a legitimate use for it but with a price starting at 299 forget it.
@cody54955 жыл бұрын
OMG I HAD NO IDEA A TOOL LIKE THIS EXIST. I have always joked with my coworkers wishing for a normal sized screwdriver that spun it self... and HERE IT IS!! Wtff
@GLITCH_-.-
5 жыл бұрын
There are better ones for half the price.
@amirs5512
5 жыл бұрын
@@GLITCH_-.- the chinese have even made one
@GLITCH_-.-
5 жыл бұрын
@@amirs5512 yea in this case the Chinese did the better one. If you don't need the insulation. Maybe it lasts half as long, but it's also half as expensive with double or triple the usefulness.
@jakp87775 жыл бұрын
Dave, sounds like you want the Bosch go screwdriver. It’s only $40 usd, has more torque, variable speed and torque settings. However, it’s not v rated.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's lowest speed can be a bit too fast IIRC
@Webgoofy655 жыл бұрын
Is there a planetary gear in the adapter? With less turns / minute you get more torque.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
No.
@Equiluxe15 жыл бұрын
The torque adaptor is most likely an encyclical gear box, try holding the yellow end and running the screwdriver, if the bit turns slower than the motor end you know it's a gear system torque multiplier.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's just torque limiter.
@Lars_Paulsen5 жыл бұрын
The only thing you were right in assuming is that you don't understand. Everything else is understandable from a professionals point of view. Since you only have the 2.8 EasyTorque adapter, you weren't able to put enough pressure on to see it working. Try a lower torque and you will see what I mean. Get a EasyTorque adapter with a lower torque and you will here a click when the right torque is set.
@km54055 жыл бұрын
so you cant make your 200$ electric screw driver sense high and low torque ...and it is pretty slow? .... okay, cool - ill come back if these things are actually good. do they make torque-slip adapters for standard electric drills?
@electrocomm4 жыл бұрын
This is not a review, is a demonstration of how not to use an electric screwdriver; however, for your info, this is especially designed to help turn the screw ONLY when it is loose, and use the hand to turn to appropriate torque with the adapters. That's it, easy. But pleases, next time learn before starting the camera.
@uriituw5 жыл бұрын
Nothing worse than when your wobble gets worse!
@CyberlightFG
5 жыл бұрын
Eat better and go to the gym.
@uriituw
5 жыл бұрын
Frank Gormanns Is that relevant somehow?
@CyberlightFG
5 жыл бұрын
@@uriituw sorry for joking
@johnkan19875 жыл бұрын
Maybe try regular bits in adapter.
@torpedohippo84933 жыл бұрын
Meant for electrical installation work, not for general work.
@mr_gerber5 жыл бұрын
Just to follow up on my comment on the original video regarding the wobble - that's terrible! I really thought it was going to be better with the adapter.
@mr_gerber
5 жыл бұрын
@Dave Micolichek because I thought the torque adapter shank was slightly bigger than the shank of the bit. That's how it is with the variotorque I have
@dashaB-sl4pu5 жыл бұрын
I bought this exact some kit and it's crap, mine was exactly the same as this one in the video and absolutely no back up or support from WIHA Australia and nearly $600 Au
@Ziferten5 жыл бұрын
So. Did you charge the batteries yet?
@picmanjim5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the adaptor is to allow the use of driver bits that are all metal. That way, the voltage rating is maintained at the handle
@TheModernVictorian5 жыл бұрын
Purchasing or the marketing departments attempt at producing something.. This whole thing just doesn't make sense. If anything, it looks more cludgy and pointless than just using a regular screwy.
@movax20h5 жыл бұрын
I checked some videos on youtube, it is a torque adapter. It looks like yours is broken.
@thowata5 жыл бұрын
An automatic screwdriver for when you don't want to worry about torque. It drives the screw in than stops to let you hand tighten.
@feboober5 жыл бұрын
Try a review of the DEVON 5612-Li-4 screwdriver.. It seems like one of these but it's just a screwdriver, non-torque.
@yshouldicar35 жыл бұрын
That adapter is more than likely for generic hex bits for special tips but still provided the 1000v insulation. Maybe try it out with some standard hex screwdriver bits?
@johnfrancisdoe1563
5 жыл бұрын
yshouldicar3 The 1000V isolation should be mostly in the handle, with isolated shafts required to avoid accidental shorts. Basic electrical screwdriver safety rules required by law say to discard screwdrivers or scratch off every 1000V rating if the metal gets exposed past the tip. Using regular ¼" metal bits is popular but not really legal on live installations (one could create an isolated holder to make the short bits legal, but still not nice dropping a metal bit inside a live 400V switchboard).
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
Regular bits (6.35 mm) will not fit, those Wiha Slimbits are 6 mm hex shaft.
@yshouldicar3
5 жыл бұрын
@@toolthoughts good to know! :)
@merlingallagher44845 жыл бұрын
The snobdriver!
@SuperCloneRanger5 жыл бұрын
looking at the wiha website and the video i've linked below, the torque adapter spins at the specified force to stop you over tightening screws. I don't think its supposed to work in electric mode, if you manually try to over tighten a screw it should start spinning when you hit 2.5Nm. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eniY281pkbqfctI.html
@tonyfoster615 жыл бұрын
Man, it was free - be grateful and stop complaining .... send it back then!
@bluesonkel5 жыл бұрын
You should use the es121. It works better looks better and has a open Source software
@leberkassemmel5 жыл бұрын
If you gotta do hundreds of screws, get a smaller powered drill. That one you can set the torque on, and it is easier to hold and stuff.
@tomgeorge37265 жыл бұрын
Err Dave, you did screw that screw in easier with it, than twisting your hand, and you were able to apply the amount of tightening force YOU wanted and YOU FELT. Did the wobble stop or impede the operation/result? Didn't look like it. On the instruction sheet doesn't it say "FIX WITH FEELING", ie tighten with feeling. With benchtop repairs, each set of screws/bolts have their own tightness FEEL, I don't use a torque screwdriver to TIGHTEN screws when I refit EVERY screw. The last thing I would want to do is keep adjusting MAX torque each time I change application. The fact that the shaft has some wobble didn't stop you accomplishing the task. This is one product that I would love to have. If you don't want it mate, I'll send you my postal address. I know you are doing a critique of the product, but how much do you want from a screwdriver and how much will you pay? Seeing as we have no Automotive Assembly lines now, there must be some of the production line tools going cheap, including intelligent power screwdrivers. Tom...
@tonyus81975 жыл бұрын
"The easyTorque adapter provides controlled screw tightening combined with safe work practices for electric applications. This torque adapter guarantees process-safe use, thus safeguarding against material damage and eliminating the need for refinishing. Compatible with all slimVario products, the insulated easyTorque adapter also ensures a secure hold for 75 mm slimBits. The handy adapter thus transforms the slimVario screwdriver with bit holder, the slimVario Stubby electric and the LiftUp electric screwdriver with bit magazine into a torque tool in next to no time. A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached. With a release accuracy of +/- 10%, the torque tool complies with EN ISO 6789 requirements. The easyTorque adapter undergoes an individual piece test as per the international IEC 60900 standard, allowing users to work safely on live parts up to 1,000 V AC." So, it seems to be a torque wrench like thingy...
@thatdellguy5 жыл бұрын
That would not replace my 2.4v Milwaukee cordless screwdriver.
@reeseyme9613
5 жыл бұрын
i hacked my black&decker with a 18650 + $2 charge module
@userPrehistoricman
5 жыл бұрын
2.4V is an odd choice for a tool
@thatdellguy
5 жыл бұрын
Its old nicd.
@guybramwells5 жыл бұрын
I like the extension. Would be nice in my makita driver.
@Terrribletom5 жыл бұрын
It’s for saving me carpal tunnel when it’s energized. I torque with a larger screwdriver.
@RobTaylor-HiTech5 жыл бұрын
I got a nice little $8 US electric screwdriver that uses replaceable AA batteries. Works way better and has lots more torque. When I find myself out of juice, I just pop in more batteries and "Bob's your uncle" away I go.
@timballam36755 жыл бұрын
This is the purpose of this type of driver - www.hager.co.uk/downloads-services/technical-services/torque-settings/52986.htm Also the things i'ts mainly designed for use PZ not Philips heads. I've also seen meter tails into a SB switch disconnecter come lose over time after not being tightened enough!
@crazygeorgelincoln5 жыл бұрын
Don't turn it on . Take it apaart. I really want to know what's in that adapter, if anything.
@tommymack32103 жыл бұрын
Lol, you totally misunderstood the purpose of this tool.
@nitramretep5 жыл бұрын
The tool needs further development, right now it is like an answer searching for a question.
@Makrelacz5 жыл бұрын
I did put this screwdriver through few months of heavy use and it stucked two weeks ago. Its interesting concept but in current form its just overpriced toy.
@mikeissweet5 жыл бұрын
Did you charge this thing up? I use a similar one of these at work and the torque correlates strongly with battery charge
@JimmyMish
5 жыл бұрын
Im wondering the same thing, he never mentioned it.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
5 жыл бұрын
mikeissweet It is SPECIFIED to never pull more than 0.4Nm by motor. Charging the battery is not allowed to add torque.
@abdullahseba43755 жыл бұрын
2.8Nm is a lot, chances are you where not applying enough force to slip it. Though I'm pretty sure 2.8Nm is too much for most electrical work.
@KevinRynd5 жыл бұрын
SpeedE V2 will have additional settings. This is only the beginning
@darkman196935 жыл бұрын
Is AUD$490+ reasonable for an electric screwdriver?
@ethanpoole3443
5 жыл бұрын
Peter Gooch Maybe if you have carpal tunnel and are trying to reduce the repetitive stress aspect of driving screws, but health issues aside, for a $500 screwdriver I want to be able to sit back and supervise the screwdriver while it does the job for me (maybe even kickback and enjoy a good sci-if novel). Otherwise I could think of far better things to do with that kind of money than spend it on a single screwdriver.
@darkman19693
5 жыл бұрын
@@ethanpoole3443 I totally agree. However for that money I would expect it to make coffee and sandwiches as well.
@MrOrangeman185 жыл бұрын
That holder is probably just a standard bit holder for your normal 1/4 screwdriver bits. That’s all
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
No.
@SidneyCritic5 жыл бұрын
If the adapter had a planetary gear set in it where the blade moved at a slower rpm than the handle - doesn't look like it - it would multiply torque. Unless that yellow ring does something it just looks like an extension.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It limits torque.
@ELECTROHAXZ5 жыл бұрын
Take it apart!
@What_I_Make5 жыл бұрын
Thought there maybe instruction. Oh Dave doesn't use them.
@robbedoeslegrand236
5 жыл бұрын
You are right. He doesn't get the point of this tool, and how it works. This is the first time I disliked one of his videos
@RWoody1995
5 жыл бұрын
Well if you know so well why don't you tell us eh?
@robbedoeslegrand236
5 жыл бұрын
It's for electrical installation. Install circuitbreakers and the like. They need this specific torque. Capiche? It's not a normal electric screwdriver.
@What_I_Make
5 жыл бұрын
I could see the advantage on electrical. So wonder why they gave it to a electronics dude for eval. (That is me as well) I wouldn't like to use it.
@What_I_Make
5 жыл бұрын
actually they should have given it to Big Clive, he's an electrician.
@zer0b0t5 жыл бұрын
I think you were right when you called it an extender, that thing won't do anything to increase the torque.
@zer0b0t
5 жыл бұрын
Unless you have to do it by hand and that thing slips at the advertised torque
@RobertSzasz
5 жыл бұрын
It's a torque indicator, like a torque wrench. (2.8 Nm is quite a bit to do by hand) without some leverage.
Пікірлер: 316
This Screwdeiver is for Electrical installation work. When you are installing thousands of breakers per year. You screw in the contact in electricly and then apply the correct torque with one of those Slip-Clutches by Hand. It's a very specific Tool for a very specific industry, nothing for regular electronics/repair work.
@johnalexander2349
5 жыл бұрын
I've installed DBs like that. Dozens of meters x 4 terminals per meter x 2 screws per terminal... and I wouldn't use this. Too slow, wrong form factor, and the "clutch" doesn't seem to work. Get the proper tool.
@Orbis92
5 жыл бұрын
As an industrial electrician I wouldn't use that tool . Even those small screws on a 30 year old breaker or relay would be to much for this tool. And if you are using this tool for installing new stuff only, you would go with something like the Panasonic Dave talked about, which can be set precisely to the required torque for a specific screw (terminal) for example. There is no point in doing it with this tool just to do the final Nm by hand anyway. I had the toy version of this thing: www.dwt-gmbh.de/userfiles/image/gallery/panasonic-akku-knickschrauber-ey6220/1-panasonic-akku-knickschrauber-ey6220.jpg And it just was enough to pull out some M4, max M5 screws, and with my feel-o-vision I would guess it had more power that the Wiha, even it was a toy...thing this is a complete fail for its price! I just want to know with electrician would use this thing in everyday work environment....
@todayonthebench
5 жыл бұрын
Yes Orbis92, and industrial electrician wouldn't. (screwless solutions are after all nice when one will redo it once in a while. Or just want less hassle during maintenance. (both being very normal and daily occurrences in the industrial scene.)) A consumer one still faces an abundance of screws on everything from breakers, switches, outlets, among other things in the every day consumer home. And the whole idea with this screw driver is to lessen the risk for repetitive strain injuries. But yes, it is a bit overpriced.
@timballam3675
5 жыл бұрын
The Panasonic is not up to the job full stop max torque is 17.5in lbf that's only 1.98NM ! Take a :Hager board for one example the only screws that could tighten are Earth and neutral bus bar connections for wires with a diameter of 1.5mm or less! You need 2.8NM for a MCB and 3.6NM for a SB Switch. The torque adaptor being 4NM is 35.4in lbf. Also the Panasonic torque is only aprox.....
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
we keep saying that - but which one? ....or is it like other 'ergonomic' stuff - which is way more expensive and made of inferior materials (paying for the ergonomic label basically?)
The extension is a torque indicator. It will click and the yellow ring and red adapter will rotate in opposite directions when the torque value by hand in reached. Torque extensions up to 7.0 Nm are available.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
I tightended it up until I thought it was going to break and it still didn't click or rotate.
@PK-sj4xe
5 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog2 Then it's a broken torque indication :)
@leocurious9919
5 жыл бұрын
Try a torque wrench or is ur hand calibrated? Also: How much torque can PH2 (the bit) or PZ2 (the screw) handle? Whia* says 5.5Nm max *www.wihatools.com/max-torque-blades Then there is the muscle problem. Here is a masters thesis* talking about things like "physical ability to apply torque": "mean value of 3.3 Nm (SD 1.2) and range of 1.9 Nm to 5.8 Nm measured as part of this study where an actual work task was performed." So this torque "adapter" is not going to get to the 2.8Nm because thats a lot of torque (ballpark maximum) without leverage. Just use a torque wrench and measure it. *epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1226&context=theses_open
The problem is you weren't applying 2.8nm. It would be difficult to apply that much torque to a phillips head without it slipping or stripping. Try a flat head or torx. All of the things you're complaining about were most likely specifically engineered that way. The wobble, the torque slip, the motor cut out, all designed for a specific application. The wobble is likely built in so the handle has some compliance when its turning, to stop the screwdriver from producing a force on your hand if you're not exactly concentric with the screw. This is obviously built into the design considering the rubber oring that holds the bit it. I could be wrong though.
@SeanHodgins
5 жыл бұрын
Bob Sacamano I’m fairly certain I can apply 2.8Nm with the twist of my hand. I’m thinking of when I had a torque wrench in my hand and setting it really low, I could easily make it hit the torque “click” by just gripping the socket that’s on it. The limiting factor is the Phillips screw, and the machine he is attempting to torque it to. I believe this is for electrical panels and wire connections that require a specific torque to be to a certain electrical code.
@lemech
5 жыл бұрын
The torque limiter is not rated 8Nm, only the screwdriver without the limiter is. Even so, the bit itself is not rated 8Nm. Depending on the bit size, some are much lower than 8Nm and some are closer to 8 Nm. 8Nm covers the entire range of bits though. I have the Makita cordless screwdriver and 2.8 Nm is about the top end of the torque setting. Like what Sean mentioned, manual 2.8Nm for a philips can be difficult.
@timballam3675
5 жыл бұрын
@Bob Sacamano the adaptor is 4NM the 8NM is the safe working load for the body of the driver?
@jort93z
5 жыл бұрын
pozidriv can be used with a lot of torque as well. You can apply 2.8 nm, but not gonna be easy with a phillips head cause you'll have to push on it for it to not slip.
@leocurious9919
5 жыл бұрын
He used a phillips bit (PH2) on the PZ2 screw in the DUT (multimeter or whatever). He also didnt use a torque wrench to actually measure anything... this video, sadly, contains next to nothing...
Send it to AvE, we need a proper BOLTR! :D
@Blasterxp
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@sydmichel
5 жыл бұрын
He'd use it to stir his coffee
@gafaff
5 жыл бұрын
He'll just talk about the plastic spec, say hello to Chickadee then break it.
@scribblargh
5 жыл бұрын
@Gaf, that's what he said, a proper BOLTR!
@amirs5512
5 жыл бұрын
@@scribblargh eh
Apart from the an wobble, this really is a thing of beauty. To answer your question no your not using it right. The torque adapter is to stop over tightening of terminals as this causes the copper wire to creep which ends up loosening the terminals.
I'm still wondering why you didn't take it apart. ;)
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Because I think it would be destructive
@JustinAlexanderBell
5 жыл бұрын
Don't turn it on, take it apart!
@sugarbooty
5 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog2 It would be cool to see the guts, maybe you could get one just to take apart?
@Jedda73
5 жыл бұрын
Because its his "precious". I wouldn't want to risk breaking it either, who wants to fork out $500 for another one?
@ElectraFlarefire
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe when he decides it's no longer worth using, it'll be pulled apart?
Maybe the wobble is a feature? For example, with the wobble you can have some misalignment and still don't detach the tool from the screw while spinning
Just to underline the function of the easytorque - it's not related to the electric function at all, it was already a product in the slimvario product line, and is meant to torque limit a normal hand operated exchangeable-bit screwdriver. I'm not excluding the possibly that the unit you got was broken, but bear in mind that 2.8Nm is quite a lot of torque on such a small screw, even though you have quite a solid grip on that handle.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Well given that it's the largest tip in the kit and I was putting all my force on it until I felt like it was going to break, and it *still* didn't limit or slip, I can only conclude that it doesn't work?
@AnatoFIN
5 жыл бұрын
EEVblog2 You could fix an aluminum bar to bolt. Then put the bolt through a hole in a plate. Lastly put know weight to bar at correct distance and you have a grudge torque measure device. You can calculate the torque = 1/2 bar length * bar mass + weight distance * weight mass. Mass in Newton’s and the torque is against gravity, ie rotationally lifting the bar and the weight. 2.8Nm is a lot of torque for a screw. If you haven’t done it in a measure way before, you should, I’ll bet you will be surprised.
@MarkTillotson
5 жыл бұрын
Very rough guides to torque in human terms: 1Nm - finger and thumb, 10Nm turning a big screwdriver, 100Nm turning a steering wheel (two hands).
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
confirms my thoughts on this being a fail if it doesnt do that at all.. i mean its the 21th century right? .........this is not a bleeding edge power density tool RIGHT?.........shouldnt be that hard to sense torque semi-accurately and have nice options for control and adjustment right? .......... well you might have to buy a special motor with a very stable Nm/A constant but i dont think thats where the money went on this thing - frankly i dont know. Be carefull with these, they might have implemented a black hole inside that sucked the extra +100$ inside of itself.
I do not understand the easy torque adapter. But in my minds eye.... This tool is not meant to break free or tighten screws. It is more meant to greatly reduce multiple screw removal/replacement without a lot of wrist twisting. Once the screw is free it will spin it out for you right quick. Upon reassembly the driver will spin it in quickly, stop at a light torque then allow you to snug the screw proper by feel. I do not think it was meant as a regular tighten and loosen driver, more just to keep from doing a lot of cranking when doing a lot of screw fasteners.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but as you said, how does the torque adapter work? and why do they include it?
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
Yeap. very right. I have no clue why that was included. Maybe for the screws you need to baby cause they are weak? Ya know, the ones that are guaranteed to strip on ya. LOL. I will say this as well..... That "WOBBLE" in it, is totally unacceptable. Thought... Assembly of rf shields say on analyzers? Need a lot of screw all torqued the same, and go over 3 times each a bit more till correct? Would this help any? But then there are no torque settings is there....
@km5405
5 жыл бұрын
why not get a normal cutsie low-performance cordless drill though ....or one specifically designed for that ....just get inserts and screw those in. its not like this thing is incredibly low form factor either. or a very low form factor torque slip thing to go between? .... The only place i could see this being viable is in very very expensive and special applications where somehow its faster doing it this way or you insist everything is finished by hand.
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
Understand that. In actuality. No motors for me. How about a old fashioned screw driver, that when put in a pile of screws, unlike a magnet one that grabs a bunch of screw and never by the head. Want one where I can put it in my pile of screws and it comes out with the screw on the tip of the driver, ready to be driven. Hope that makes sense. Regardless of all, Love me some Dave Jones.
@johncundiss9098
5 жыл бұрын
I know what you talking about. I recall seeing one or 2 my dad had when I was a kid. A kind of worm gear driver, push to turn. yeap.
The adapter will "klick" at 2.8Nm like a normal torque wrench. The torque is at a fix value. You can buy different values from wiha. Maybe your adapter is faulty?
The torque adapter is used when you are manually tightening a screw. When you tighten the screw to the preset limit shown on the torque adapter the bit will just stop turning further even if you keep turning the handle. The torque adapters are available in different "strengths". Probably not too useful for a homeowner but for a pro it will prevent over-tightening and stripping.
RTFM "Just imagine: a screwdriver which allows you to work twice as fast. An electric screw-driving assistant which relieves you of bothersome screw-fastening, yet allows you to finish tightening carefully by hand. Too good to be true? Not at all. The first e-screwdriver from Wiha An electric screwing assistant which relieves professionals of bothersome screw-fastening, yet allows them to finish tightening carefully by hand. Ideal for thread screws and delicate screw fastening tasks. No question about it: speedE® is a true revolution for anyone who works with a screwdriver. With speedE®, you are faster, healthier and more efficient while out on jobs.”
What about that yellow part of that adapter? Does it rotate? Maybe it has inside slip ratchet?
@AntonBabiy
5 жыл бұрын
it almost seems like it has raised marks for different settings in relation to the black arrow on the red body... hmmmm
@SantaClaw
5 жыл бұрын
it does...
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
It moves a little bit when the torque is achieved. There are faint indicator marks on the red and yellow parts, and it's supposed to give a click as well.
@EEVblog2
5 жыл бұрын
No its does not rotate, although it looks like it should.
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
EEVblog2 then it's either broken or you didn't crank it quite hard enough. The parts should move independently quite a bit. If you search for Wiha EasyTorque Adapter Tutorial, they show a closeup in that video.
That torque extension is for tightening screws on industrial equipment, like relays, switches and so, where that 2,8Nm is around the required torque to tighten the contact screws.
@Superwip
5 жыл бұрын
But how does it work?
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It slips.
@Tangobaldy
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it wasn't releasing under huge torture.
@florianf4257
5 жыл бұрын
It is a mechanical clutch for the hand-tightening after the motor stops. Either Daves adapter us broken or he didn't try hard enough (2.8 Nm seems a lot for such a small screw anyways ...)
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
I think he didn't apply enough torque.
Stay tuned for Pt 3, the discovery of the turning part with a marker on it :D
Still doesn't explain the exorbitant asking price lol
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
They can ask any price they want...
@waynetaylor2784
5 жыл бұрын
@@JGnLAU8OAWF6 hahaha good luck too them at $500 , I'm guessing they'll sell ZERO
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's not meant for general consumers. You should guess better.
@f4tboy99
5 жыл бұрын
Someone is rich enought to put one in the mail... haha!
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
I thought Wiha sent it.
I've tried to find an user manual for this thing for 5 minutes and failed ... but to my understanding the easytorque should slip at the rated torque. maybe you need some pliers to test it.
The torque adapter is supposed to click when it reaches its torque limit. Maybe yours is busted.
@ewaldikemann4142
5 жыл бұрын
Or he can not afford 2.8 Nm in his arms :P
@LaryCotten
5 жыл бұрын
From the wiha site: A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached.
I don’t see a problem in this product on metal screws and not wood screw. It is conceived based on time management for professional maintenance and repairs. You see, it takes a fraction of a second to break loose a bolt in electronic equipment but it will take N times longer to disengage the threads, manually. The powered drive was intended to reduce N down to a small fraction of N and were meant for speed but force. Likewise in manual fastening cycle, N times longer to the last thread only takes a split second to snug it. This tool speed that up. Snugging but stripping the threads (or bending drive tip) is another critical consideration. When working with self tap screws I will not give up the opportunity from receiving torque/force feedback in manual operation at the last moment of quarter turn. Because I need to assure that plastic thread ( or bit tip) will not be blindly stripped down, as it will otherwise be by the motor drive to an unknown torque setting. Those who confused or complaining about this product spend most of their time toying with professional tools but professionals themselves.
This screwdriver is designed for the electrician. Usualy, the miniture circuit breaker you can have at home must be torque at about 2n.m; no more ! so this screwdriver is perfect if you have to tighten a lot of this circuit breaker.
Dave, 1 question. Why are you using an electrician's installation screw driver for tightening a screw on a case? This tool is obviously not intended for the application you are using it for, and its main feature (even somewhat clearly pointed out in your other video (the recommended by doctors part in the marketing blurb)) is that one doesn't need to twist one's wrist/arm repeatedly to screw in a screw. This all results in a lower risk for repetitive strain injuries. Main market being electricians. (And likely not the industrial kind either, since they usually likes to use Wago terminal blocks and such, screws are falling out of favor in the industrial scene. While the consumer scene uses screws, but mainly uses more and more breakers/sockets/switches and other similar things in their electrical installations.)
Like Butze already said- its specifically for electrical installation works. Unlike in US domestic panels, in EU we have to torque each and every breaker with the correct setting (where screws are still used). Such tools enable you to quickly drive in the screws and you just torque the last turn.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Or you could just get a drill driver with settable torque for 1/10 the price. There is no way to justify the price of this thing for the EU or anywhere else. There are far better tools for far less that would do a better job.
"A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached"
isn't that extra piece supposed to be there, so you can put in regular drill bits into it? like if you want to unscrew weird triangle screws, you can easily find bits for it, but not a full wiha thing
"It's electric" If you've ever been to a wedding in the US, you probably instantly thought "boogie oogie oogie oogie"
What’s the max torque on a #1 Philip’s? Whoever, just because it’s wigs doesn’t make it worth it. Was it made in Germany of Taiwan? They have plants in both countries.
Don`t understand the torque adapter well BS 7671 requires all terminations to be tightened to the correct manufactures torque. This information is available on line. Look at set 3 over £543 and all the different torque adapters come with it. So all your termination can be to manufacturers spec. BS 7671 is harmonised across Europe. So this (LAW) applies across Europe and means nothing anywhere else in the known universe. I hope that clears that up
@andersfrihagen3656
5 жыл бұрын
If you think that way, there might be laws/standards that are just valid in United States of America and nowhere else in the known universe. Note that the population of USofA is 327 million, EU is 512million.
Check into the dewalt 8v max gyroscopic screwdriver. It's got plenty more features, torque and is nicely compact. A lot of people in HVAC field use this for service work.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah and it's closer to $29 than $299. But let the fan boys Wihahahhahahahahahaha
Love my Wiha tools but as currently configured this one won't be joining the family on my workbench...more design work needed unfortunately. :(
There is demonstration on KZread: "Tutorial: Wiha easyTorque electric torque Adapter" It's starts slipping.
Nice one Dave. Love a good follow up.
how should a torque Converter work without any additional fix-point, newtons law forbids that
@InfinityDIY
5 жыл бұрын
It is possible if you build it like a Torque Converter as it is build into a Automatic Gearbox for example. You have the Motor as one fixpoint that also turns the main side of it and you have the Screw as the other fix point. Theoretically it should work.
As a few have said, it could be defective but, the adapter looks like a torque limiter. Does that yellow end ring rotate in with respect to the arrow on the main body to adjust torque?
Is the wobble as the insulated bits are 6mm across flats, but the handle also accepts 6.35mm bits (non-insulated) ?
Dave, I don't think it is made for what you are doing with it.
If they can do 1 electronic torque setting they can do more, probably just monitors motor current, calibrate that from the known mechanical setup, seems pretty simple with a couple of components easily. I don't know how they would get multiple speed settings in there mechanically though, the formfactor probably wouldn't allow it.
Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t make it bad. I am an electrician, I am not a fan of wiha, all the wiha stuff I have previously owned wasn’t great for the price. But I like the idea of this driver. I am happy to torque stuff up by feel but love the idea of a compact driver to take all the slack up on a screw especially when there are dozens of repetitive screws to do
You are not using this tool correctly. It is designed to insert screws without a chance of stripping the threads. The final tightening is intended to be done by hand or using a properly calibrated torque tool if necessary. Right tool for the job, etc.
@CrimFerret
5 жыл бұрын
Wrong tool for the price. Buy a frigging drill driver with a torque setting for $30. If the EU has such stringent torque requirements, there are manual torque slip screwdrivers that are calibrated for that. I believe Wiha even sells some. This is a fail. Just like the power torque wrench Milwaukee is coming out with will be a fail. Wiha generally makes good products, but that doesn't mean they don't do some duds occasionally. This thing will hopefully be pulled from the market fairly quickly and we can all forget it ever existed.
Thank you for being so honest with your reviews. You’re the only you tuber that can receive stuff to review and still be brutally honest.
You apply the rest of the torque by hand. The adaptor is a limiter.
There is a second edition of this screwdriver - faster RPM, better light, and two torque settings!
Aren't you suppose to turn the yellow part to set the torque ?
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
Nope, it's fixed.
Need to test this turning against a torque wrench or a weighted arm to check if it actually pulls 0.4Nm on motor and clicks on 2.5Nm . Otherwise you may accidentally destroy screw terminals on your μCurrent when trying to torque them all to spec.
I expect it uses either the motor current sensing or battery overcurrent protection for the "electronic clutch".
Why is this screwdriver so ridiculously expensive??? I bought the Hammerhead electric screwdriver for a little over 20 bucks and its great!
You don't have the torque adapter installed properly. It has settings and you have it set on 1 to 1
Must be broken. I can't understand it otherwise. Maybe it is to give 1000V CAT III rating? what CAT rating is on a main screwdriver body?
It's not an adapter. It only is a slip clutch to limit the torque when you tighten the screws by hand to the torque it's rated for.
@mikapirinen2403
5 жыл бұрын
But screwdriver can't produce enought moment. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGt6sppppbOwgLw.html
According to the website the adapter is used to select different torque settings as you can pick a bunch of different ones. Probably some inductive pickup or something.. Price of this thing is ridongculous though.
your torque adapter seems to be broken - it's clearly described on their website, that this thing is a tool to provide the exact torque (according to ISO 6789 :) to a screw, making "click sounds" when reached...
Surely the torque adapter is meant to work like a torque multiplier, where the input turns a multiple of times more than the output.
I already had the same thought after seeing the first video but sadly using the extension bit aka torq adapter didn't pan out as helpful at all
The 4nm adapter is for your when you're finishing the last tightening half-turn of a screw by hand; it will make sure you are at about 4nm, just like any torque wrench minus extra settings because it's compact. Still overpriced.
@boah1668
3 жыл бұрын
how to change nm?
is the adapter for the 1000v isolation? at 1:41 you can see it says 1000V on it.
I almost think that once it snugs down with the little motor, you grab the "E-Z Torque" and turn it hard like a screwdriver.
As someone who wires control panels for a living I can see a legitimate use for it but with a price starting at 299 forget it.
OMG I HAD NO IDEA A TOOL LIKE THIS EXIST. I have always joked with my coworkers wishing for a normal sized screwdriver that spun it self... and HERE IT IS!! Wtff
@GLITCH_-.-
5 жыл бұрын
There are better ones for half the price.
@amirs5512
5 жыл бұрын
@@GLITCH_-.- the chinese have even made one
@GLITCH_-.-
5 жыл бұрын
@@amirs5512 yea in this case the Chinese did the better one. If you don't need the insulation. Maybe it lasts half as long, but it's also half as expensive with double or triple the usefulness.
Dave, sounds like you want the Bosch go screwdriver. It’s only $40 usd, has more torque, variable speed and torque settings. However, it’s not v rated.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's lowest speed can be a bit too fast IIRC
Is there a planetary gear in the adapter? With less turns / minute you get more torque.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
No.
The torque adaptor is most likely an encyclical gear box, try holding the yellow end and running the screwdriver, if the bit turns slower than the motor end you know it's a gear system torque multiplier.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It's just torque limiter.
The only thing you were right in assuming is that you don't understand. Everything else is understandable from a professionals point of view. Since you only have the 2.8 EasyTorque adapter, you weren't able to put enough pressure on to see it working. Try a lower torque and you will see what I mean. Get a EasyTorque adapter with a lower torque and you will here a click when the right torque is set.
so you cant make your 200$ electric screw driver sense high and low torque ...and it is pretty slow? .... okay, cool - ill come back if these things are actually good. do they make torque-slip adapters for standard electric drills?
This is not a review, is a demonstration of how not to use an electric screwdriver; however, for your info, this is especially designed to help turn the screw ONLY when it is loose, and use the hand to turn to appropriate torque with the adapters. That's it, easy. But pleases, next time learn before starting the camera.
Nothing worse than when your wobble gets worse!
@CyberlightFG
5 жыл бұрын
Eat better and go to the gym.
@uriituw
5 жыл бұрын
Frank Gormanns Is that relevant somehow?
@CyberlightFG
5 жыл бұрын
@@uriituw sorry for joking
Maybe try regular bits in adapter.
Meant for electrical installation work, not for general work.
Just to follow up on my comment on the original video regarding the wobble - that's terrible! I really thought it was going to be better with the adapter.
@mr_gerber
5 жыл бұрын
@Dave Micolichek because I thought the torque adapter shank was slightly bigger than the shank of the bit. That's how it is with the variotorque I have
I bought this exact some kit and it's crap, mine was exactly the same as this one in the video and absolutely no back up or support from WIHA Australia and nearly $600 Au
So. Did you charge the batteries yet?
Maybe the adaptor is to allow the use of driver bits that are all metal. That way, the voltage rating is maintained at the handle
Purchasing or the marketing departments attempt at producing something.. This whole thing just doesn't make sense. If anything, it looks more cludgy and pointless than just using a regular screwy.
I checked some videos on youtube, it is a torque adapter. It looks like yours is broken.
An automatic screwdriver for when you don't want to worry about torque. It drives the screw in than stops to let you hand tighten.
Try a review of the DEVON 5612-Li-4 screwdriver.. It seems like one of these but it's just a screwdriver, non-torque.
That adapter is more than likely for generic hex bits for special tips but still provided the 1000v insulation. Maybe try it out with some standard hex screwdriver bits?
@johnfrancisdoe1563
5 жыл бұрын
yshouldicar3 The 1000V isolation should be mostly in the handle, with isolated shafts required to avoid accidental shorts. Basic electrical screwdriver safety rules required by law say to discard screwdrivers or scratch off every 1000V rating if the metal gets exposed past the tip. Using regular ¼" metal bits is popular but not really legal on live installations (one could create an isolated holder to make the short bits legal, but still not nice dropping a metal bit inside a live 400V switchboard).
@toolthoughts
5 жыл бұрын
Regular bits (6.35 mm) will not fit, those Wiha Slimbits are 6 mm hex shaft.
@yshouldicar3
5 жыл бұрын
@@toolthoughts good to know! :)
The snobdriver!
looking at the wiha website and the video i've linked below, the torque adapter spins at the specified force to stop you over tightening screws. I don't think its supposed to work in electric mode, if you manually try to over tighten a screw it should start spinning when you hit 2.5Nm. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eniY281pkbqfctI.html
Man, it was free - be grateful and stop complaining .... send it back then!
You should use the es121. It works better looks better and has a open Source software
If you gotta do hundreds of screws, get a smaller powered drill. That one you can set the torque on, and it is easier to hold and stuff.
Err Dave, you did screw that screw in easier with it, than twisting your hand, and you were able to apply the amount of tightening force YOU wanted and YOU FELT. Did the wobble stop or impede the operation/result? Didn't look like it. On the instruction sheet doesn't it say "FIX WITH FEELING", ie tighten with feeling. With benchtop repairs, each set of screws/bolts have their own tightness FEEL, I don't use a torque screwdriver to TIGHTEN screws when I refit EVERY screw. The last thing I would want to do is keep adjusting MAX torque each time I change application. The fact that the shaft has some wobble didn't stop you accomplishing the task. This is one product that I would love to have. If you don't want it mate, I'll send you my postal address. I know you are doing a critique of the product, but how much do you want from a screwdriver and how much will you pay? Seeing as we have no Automotive Assembly lines now, there must be some of the production line tools going cheap, including intelligent power screwdrivers. Tom...
"The easyTorque adapter provides controlled screw tightening combined with safe work practices for electric applications. This torque adapter guarantees process-safe use, thus safeguarding against material damage and eliminating the need for refinishing. Compatible with all slimVario products, the insulated easyTorque adapter also ensures a secure hold for 75 mm slimBits. The handy adapter thus transforms the slimVario screwdriver with bit holder, the slimVario Stubby electric and the LiftUp electric screwdriver with bit magazine into a torque tool in next to no time. A click signal can be heard and the yellow ring and red adapter seen rotating in opposite directions when the torque is reached. With a release accuracy of +/- 10%, the torque tool complies with EN ISO 6789 requirements. The easyTorque adapter undergoes an individual piece test as per the international IEC 60900 standard, allowing users to work safely on live parts up to 1,000 V AC." So, it seems to be a torque wrench like thingy...
That would not replace my 2.4v Milwaukee cordless screwdriver.
@reeseyme9613
5 жыл бұрын
i hacked my black&decker with a 18650 + $2 charge module
@userPrehistoricman
5 жыл бұрын
2.4V is an odd choice for a tool
@thatdellguy
5 жыл бұрын
Its old nicd.
I like the extension. Would be nice in my makita driver.
It’s for saving me carpal tunnel when it’s energized. I torque with a larger screwdriver.
I got a nice little $8 US electric screwdriver that uses replaceable AA batteries. Works way better and has lots more torque. When I find myself out of juice, I just pop in more batteries and "Bob's your uncle" away I go.
This is the purpose of this type of driver - www.hager.co.uk/downloads-services/technical-services/torque-settings/52986.htm Also the things i'ts mainly designed for use PZ not Philips heads. I've also seen meter tails into a SB switch disconnecter come lose over time after not being tightened enough!
Don't turn it on . Take it apaart. I really want to know what's in that adapter, if anything.
Lol, you totally misunderstood the purpose of this tool.
The tool needs further development, right now it is like an answer searching for a question.
I did put this screwdriver through few months of heavy use and it stucked two weeks ago. Its interesting concept but in current form its just overpriced toy.
Did you charge this thing up? I use a similar one of these at work and the torque correlates strongly with battery charge
@JimmyMish
5 жыл бұрын
Im wondering the same thing, he never mentioned it.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
5 жыл бұрын
mikeissweet It is SPECIFIED to never pull more than 0.4Nm by motor. Charging the battery is not allowed to add torque.
2.8Nm is a lot, chances are you where not applying enough force to slip it. Though I'm pretty sure 2.8Nm is too much for most electrical work.
SpeedE V2 will have additional settings. This is only the beginning
Is AUD$490+ reasonable for an electric screwdriver?
@ethanpoole3443
5 жыл бұрын
Peter Gooch Maybe if you have carpal tunnel and are trying to reduce the repetitive stress aspect of driving screws, but health issues aside, for a $500 screwdriver I want to be able to sit back and supervise the screwdriver while it does the job for me (maybe even kickback and enjoy a good sci-if novel). Otherwise I could think of far better things to do with that kind of money than spend it on a single screwdriver.
@darkman19693
5 жыл бұрын
@@ethanpoole3443 I totally agree. However for that money I would expect it to make coffee and sandwiches as well.
That holder is probably just a standard bit holder for your normal 1/4 screwdriver bits. That’s all
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
No.
If the adapter had a planetary gear set in it where the blade moved at a slower rpm than the handle - doesn't look like it - it would multiply torque. Unless that yellow ring does something it just looks like an extension.
@JGnLAU8OAWF6
5 жыл бұрын
It limits torque.
Take it apart!
Thought there maybe instruction. Oh Dave doesn't use them.
@robbedoeslegrand236
5 жыл бұрын
You are right. He doesn't get the point of this tool, and how it works. This is the first time I disliked one of his videos
@RWoody1995
5 жыл бұрын
Well if you know so well why don't you tell us eh?
@robbedoeslegrand236
5 жыл бұрын
It's for electrical installation. Install circuitbreakers and the like. They need this specific torque. Capiche? It's not a normal electric screwdriver.
@What_I_Make
5 жыл бұрын
I could see the advantage on electrical. So wonder why they gave it to a electronics dude for eval. (That is me as well) I wouldn't like to use it.
@What_I_Make
5 жыл бұрын
actually they should have given it to Big Clive, he's an electrician.
I think you were right when you called it an extender, that thing won't do anything to increase the torque.
@zer0b0t
5 жыл бұрын
Unless you have to do it by hand and that thing slips at the advertised torque
@RobertSzasz
5 жыл бұрын
It's a torque indicator, like a torque wrench. (2.8 Nm is quite a bit to do by hand) without some leverage.
@RobertSzasz
5 жыл бұрын
@@zer0b0t about 25 inch pounds