Sad that yuumi's only real problem is zero interaction when she's attached to someone and riot refuses to make her more vulnerable

@theimmortaleye7511

Жыл бұрын

Cause thats her whole fantasy.... Shes suppose to be an *attach* aka an enchanter /item buffup So u cant change that without just never making her

@sebaagers

Жыл бұрын

BuT shE nEeDs tO bE eaSy FOr NeW pLaYers!!!!!!

@onlymyself1234

Жыл бұрын

Sad that Yuumi's only real problem is literally her entire personality as a design

@Assywalker

Жыл бұрын

@@theimmortaleye7511 Who said "not attach"?! They wrote "more vulnerable", so thinks like: A) taking a percentage damage the partner takes B) no mana/life regen while attached C) lower CD recovery speed while attached D) being CC'd when the partner is CC'd perma-intangibility is just OP and unfun to play against

@Sebastian36962

Жыл бұрын

Or rework Yummy to something like IO from Dota perhaps 🤔

I said it was so weird how they spent so many patches making yuumi’s passive the way it was bc people complained she wasn’t vulnerable enough. Then when they reworked her to be “less frustrating” they completely removed that and now she has NO reason to jump off her ADC ever….. like what??

@guic3766

Жыл бұрын

And now with her new ult she can actually buff her entire team 🙃

@goatnoodles9162

Жыл бұрын

​@@guic3766 look who doesn't read skills

@hamdepaf6686

Жыл бұрын

@@goatnoodles9162 it can tho...

@guic3766

Жыл бұрын

@@goatnoodles9162 now she has an AoE heal that can proc shurelyas, ardent censer and other enchanter itens in all her allies (which not being able to do so was one of her biggest weaknesses). How am I mistaken? Did You read the skill lol

@giomongta6961

Жыл бұрын

They just wanted to take her out of proplay so they just ignored us about making her less frrustrating lol

Yuumi's entire problem is that she is untargetable you can't focus her like you do other enchanters

@dylanhelvetios2300

Жыл бұрын

And if you can even catch the adc she's on. One game vs Yuumi with Ezreal was enough for me to perma ban her. They didn't even won their lane but just the fact of being untouchable lategame let the 1/5 Ezreal to carry teamfights.

@fareezhayde1960

Жыл бұрын

But the thing is .. if you kill the adc you basically get a double kill

@fareezhayde1960

Жыл бұрын

Theres just no way yuumi is escaping without their adc yuumi players dont buy boots or take flash

@randomcatname7792

Жыл бұрын

@@fareezhayde1960To be fair, Yuumi used to buy boots before they nerfed her hard

@Insanityltself

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanhelvetios2300 And then you kil; the adc and Yuumi attaches herself to the fed top laner........

Rito: We love feedback. Please tell us what we can do to improve the game Players: yuumi being untargetable is the reason she is broken Rito: I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear that

@thedarkdragon1437

Жыл бұрын

A Thousand times this

Always liked the idea of a mana-bleed mechanic on Yuumi- while she's attached, her mana slowly ticks down; that way she only attached when it's essential to heal/shield/ult and otherwise stays unattached to avoid being penalized.

@d.ml.g9902

Жыл бұрын

You just gave me an idea. Make her passive like Garen with both Mana and Health; to explain it better, if she is unattached then her hth and man regen is increase, not at the levels of Garen but something pretty significant. But if she is attached to someone, then her health and mana is drain and is given to the person she is attached, almost like a constant heal but she can die from it, making it a fine line of attaching when is due, providing the shields, etc but always keeping in mind that you just cant afk and being there.

@evadesp

Жыл бұрын

​@@d.ml.g9902 I like the idea. I (as a yuumi main) wish there were a better reason or incentive to stay off my adc and play normally. but then they took off the mana bleed and I hate that. although giving mana to my adc i guess is fine.

@DomTheSub24

Жыл бұрын

it could kiinda work like yasuos flow where she has to walk around or maybe even auto champs to get the mana or other bar filled up

@lowceyn2875

Жыл бұрын

There are so many good ideas to make her less untargettable, but Riot ignores all of them

@cloudynguyen6527

Жыл бұрын

@@lowceyn2875 Because they insist the idea that Yuumi must be easy to play and friendly for beginner. All of these ideas are meant to increase the skill floor of Yuumi. The sad part is Yuumi kind of design really needs higher skill floor because it's just a very intuitive and frustrating design. Think of Abarthur from Heroes of the Storm.

I believe that the main problem with Yuumi is that they made her whole entire identity being untargetable What people hate about Yuumi the most? That she is untargetable, people want them to remove what makes Yuumi Yuumi, basically to make her not frustrating and hated by people they need to completely rework her and give her new identity

@Langharig_Tuig

Жыл бұрын

However... there's many reworks where Riot completely destroyed a champions identity. Aurelion Sol recently for example

@theimmortaleye7511

Жыл бұрын

No the problem is shes too universally good while untargetable . If she had her w but couldnt heal,shield and hard cc she would be nowhere near a menace. My idea if she was like zilean and didnt gave conventional enchanter stuff shed be balanced and even unique

@alex2005z

Жыл бұрын

​@@theimmortaleye7511if you remove the heal, shield and hard cc you remove the things that make her usefull to her team. It just makes her nothing. She isnt a good pick. Her wr says it all. She is useless, just really poorly designed

@theimmortaleye7511

Жыл бұрын

@@alex2005z if u think like this , zilean wouldnt be good aswell , she cant have conventional tools as her strenght is too good for her to have normal heals and shields. There are a few situational perks or minor cc that usually are only ok but on a permanently untargetable enchanter still worth it For example yuumi gets silence ( hypothetical q) , attach , e is a speed up and spellshield. Her ult can stay the reworked heal one, now she kinda has more situational tools and clear lack of things , she isnt a one champ does it all

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

​@@Langharig_Tuig Not every identity is good for the game.

The rework made her problem worse. It’s like whoever came up with it completely misunderstood the problem with her. Now she never detaches, doesn’t run out of mana, and her q hurts

@randomcatname7792

Жыл бұрын

You clearly don't understand anything if you think her Q hurts now, when it lost most of its damage

@vida2559

Жыл бұрын

Its just a riot things. They like to do this. Like what they did whit tanks. Everyone wanted to the tanks be tanks and riot just buffed they dmg.

@usarhabilidade2697

Жыл бұрын

​@@vida2559 exactly

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

​@@randomcatname7792 You must not have seen Imperial Mandate Yuumi yet.

@randomcatname7792

Жыл бұрын

@@HamsterPants522 you just not have seen Yuumi before the nerfs

Its still quite baffling for me that riot actually decided to release this champ and still, to this day, not thinking too hard about her impact on the game (in terms of bots, toxic people and abusers) ofc they wanna rework her now but its been 4 years

@sharpclawv2

Жыл бұрын

bro its so crazy to me that yuumi has been out for four years.

@yoshi71249

Жыл бұрын

it isnt that crazy that they made a champ like that with other moba titles have similar champs.

@danielbarnes1241

Жыл бұрын

@@yoshi71249 from what I've seen you can still target those other champs. If anything they're more similar to milio with his attach W than yummi

@yoshi71249

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbarnes1241 the one i tought for was Abathur from HotS who basicly parasites liek yuumi has a heal and a projectile, but he can be "killed" altough he chills in base 24/7

@vector1084

Жыл бұрын

They don't really think too much about champions until they reach Live, only there people's ACTUALLY discover the problems, I still remenber when people said Zeri's only problem was the E during the announcement...

They just need to make yuumi take 5% of the damage her host takes as true damage. This will force her to hop off after large bursts or damage or long drawn out fights making her vulnerable and making it so she can still continue to provide large Stat boosts.

@RenzerHMR

Жыл бұрын

This or something like she is forced to detach if her host gets immobilized. Honestly a forced detach mechanic fits more than damage redirect fits a tank support better.

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

5%? Make it 25% at least so she actually takes damage.

@user-om8xj5fs7d

Жыл бұрын

This or make her host's hitbox larger to account for the fact that it is 2 champions on 1 so you can land skillshots against them easier.

It's honestly crazy how much they changed in the mini rework without fixing a single one of the problems with her 🙃

@xerisu

Жыл бұрын

They fixed nearly every of her problems tho Except the biggest one - untargebility

Yuumi is the equivalent of having an immortal character in a shooter. As soon as they are allowed to do anything useful they would be busted.

It's funny cuz Yulee truly was the first champion I ever learn how to play with. It really did set me back considerably in terms of learning how to play correctly. I literally had to play Bot games until I was level 150 from level 40 to learn how to play correctly.

@buiyifikir1078

Жыл бұрын

how the hell is yulee

@dassd8393

Жыл бұрын

@@buiyifikir1078 the only way I can say the cat's name without my friends trying to choke me

@csgotrainingbot2160

Жыл бұрын

yeah i see what you mean by learning how to play the game the hard way, i personally started by playing jax adc with a support item so imagine that amount of difficulty it takes to pull that off, play it long enough to get 60k mastery before getting a second champion, and not inting

@banyani4048

Жыл бұрын

​@@dassd8393 I totally understand your struggle (not that I've been through it)! Yuumi has always been an easy, but not beginner friendly champion to me. She doesn't teach you ANYTHING about the actual game in terms of positioning, punishment, vision, wave clearing, trading, etc. She's a chill champion for someone to play who already knows the game, but terrible to start out with. Sure, the KDA looks better from the outside but I do think that there's no proper meaning behind those numbers. Beginners should start out with true beginner champions like soraka, sona or lulu down in botlane.

I think the yummi rework fixed a couple of things people hated but the sad thing is the core of her design is what people hate her being untargetible

@speedwayxdful

Жыл бұрын

Excuse me? The fuck did it fix? She has a near 50% winrate on a 16-17% pickrate in plat+ For a champion with yuumis kit, this is unbalanced af

@ngngye

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, no. The Q is even more crippling and has 1.5x the range it had before, the shield is stupid large and is two lulu abilities in one, and the ult heals her root and every ally it hits. What exactly did riot fix with this rework?

@sethsilvermoon4223

Жыл бұрын

​@@ngngye it doesn't have a root anymore tho, only a stacking slow

@gabrielsch8292

Жыл бұрын

It fixed NOTHING, literally its worse

@leohere40

Жыл бұрын

People in the comments are being delusional if they think the rework didn't fix a lot of the problems she had lol

I think another problem with yuumi is the mindset of the league community: she needs a lot more than her bare minimum to be effective but the reason so many players hate having her on their team is because most yuumi players play her to do that bare minimum, which essentially makes it a 4v5 with an afk yuumi

@alink2dfuture504

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. And the whole pervasive jokes of, "oh, you play Yuumi, what series do you watch?" do not help that perception. I main Yuumi, and I would dare say I've gotten pretty decent at it... People don't seem to realise it's much more involved than pressing W once and E on repeat. Not having to worry about movement and autos is an advantage she has, yes, but many do not press that advantage. They just sit, unaware of everything else they could be doing. And thus the stereotype reinforces.

Yuumi is like every dragon soul buff combined into a steroid that you can stick on any carry while also providing utility

As I once told a friend of mine Yumi is what happens when you turn 3 items into a champion.

If they made her W similar to Knight's Vow in a way that she would automatically take a certain percentage of her host's damage instead of the host, this could prevent her from jumping across the entire team and not caring if her teammate dies or not. She has to be able to take damage, even if indirectly.

@tristanventer4274

Жыл бұрын

I really like this idea actually. Good Idea to keep Yuumis identity while still giving her a risk factor

@goblintechies4396

9 ай бұрын

Its basically what the Dawngate version did with Mina. She provides her teammate with a shield that regenerates over time, in exchange however, Mina would take 40% of what her teammate took as damage. Mina did have generally more hit points and health regeneration. And if she wanted to do her more offesive abilities she had to hop off, which would cause her ability that lets her attach to someone go on cooldown for like 10 seconds.

I wonder if she would benefit from having a mechanic where you can force her off of her target, like if you stun them she is forced off (or maybe even stunned too?). Alternatively, maybe she could share damage with her carry, but not heal herself while on them and so would have to hop off to survive extended fights

10:30 Rammus killing the Kaisa without even touching her will always make me happy inside.

@usarhabilidade2697

Жыл бұрын

Beautifull!

Yuumi's main problem is being untargetable. I think instead of having a heal/shield, they should have made her always use her own HP as a shield while attached, splitting damage between herself and the champion she attached to. Also instead of a cat she should have been a voidspawn symbiote.

I feel like the rework makes her even more thoughtless. They're encouraging you to just stay on one champ and never get down

I always thought that one weakness of yumi was that your team in theory loses map pressure since Yumi cant be alone. But since rito hates split pushing or any other win condition besides fighting, Yumi is OP.

@jirehtheprovider

Жыл бұрын

So in this game, I cannot split push like in DOTA 2 or Pokemon Unite at all?

@UncleTonkle

Жыл бұрын

@@jirehtheprovider you can, and some champions' identities revolve mostly around it (such as Yorick). Riot just has a bias towards skirmish-heavy playstyles because they believe it to be more exciting than strategies that try to avoid PVP interactions instead.

@isaacdiaz4174

Жыл бұрын

Oh, there are champions designed to split push. Riot just never lets them be strong since anything not designed to be a dick measuring damage dealer is considered not as "interactive" or "satisfactory to play"

@jordanmaldonado8784

Жыл бұрын

@@isaacdiaz4174 In all honesty i can see where they are coming from cause most champs are SLOW as hell and taking around a minute to come back to lane after dying in the early game and seeing how yorick took you tower your wife and your job is not fun at all

It would be fun if they leaned more into Yummi being a cat. Make her a high roaming support that bonds with another player (the ADC), and then earns 'treats' when she assists players other than the bonded player. She'd then return to the bonded player with treats that act as stat boosts, the way a cat goes hunting but will bring their owner dead mice etc. Make her ult have a temporary attach mechanic, give her a way to quickly move through the jungle to get to new lanes. You've kept the identity (stat boost and attach mechanic) but created a high risk/high reward gameplay loop. The more she roams, the more stats the ADC will get, but the more defenseless they'll be.

@JDReC100

Жыл бұрын

Sounds cool

@isaacdiaz4174

Жыл бұрын

That would definitely be cooler and more functional, but rito refuses to promote roaming supports since Bard's release, where people would literally play a supp as a second jg. It is also something that sounds reasonable, so they definitely won't.

@bibule

Жыл бұрын

I’ll take that

In my opinion, yuumi's problems could have been solved without Riot having to rework her E and Passive. They could have made her more condicional by cutting her mana regeneration by 70% while attached, which is a big problem for supports, especially for her since she would me much weaker late game and a bit in early game. If that isn't enough, they could also change her adapative force augmentation to a fixed value intead of a percentage.

@seb3661

Жыл бұрын

i would rather play lux support

she’s just poorly designed, the idea of her being attached to another champ is aids

If i had to change her, i’d make it so her heals cooldown is frozen while she is attached to someone. That way she (and her partner) have a much more limited staying power, and she can’t just sit on one person all the time. If that is too harsh, you could make it so that using the ability while attached is what freezes the cooldown, meaning you can start the cooldown by just swapping targets as well

So asinine how they talked up “fixing” the parasite only to put out an even stronger version of the stupid thing. I hope they enjoy 100% pick banned and worlds. Again.

Vars: you can't separete yuumi from her ally, exept if your name is mordekaiser Mordekaiser: YOU ARE GOING TO BRASIL

i think what summarizes Yuumi's issues is the fact that a challenger player used to climb while playing ADC, while controlling his own yuumi with his feet.

Simple change, give her skill expression by making her W a temporary state in which she can only stay inside an ally for a short duration (5-10 seconds) before she has to pop out and give clear visual/audio indicators to both allies and enemies when she is about to pop out along with giving it a long cooldown that is lowered upon kills/assists or for each time she healed an ally or damage enemies and she cannot jump immediately from ally to ally while in combat Then balancing the rest of her kit will be easy : Passive - old passive is fine Q - Yuumi is able to aim it (like it is in the current patch) without needing to be attached to an ally but damage and slow is much weaker but costs less mana, when attached it does more damage and stronger slow/root but costs more mana E - Heals allies in an Aoe around her but much weaker heal, When attached will heal more but only heals the attached ally + some additional buff + cost more mana R - The current version is ok, just maybe some number tweaks Simple rework but adds skill expression on when is the right time to jump into an ally with clear periods of vulnerability like when she is forcefully ejected from ally after w expires

I was thinking about a balance bar on yummi. When her component takes enough damage she is forced out of her component. This forces her to attach to someone else or die.

@Asoudo33

Жыл бұрын

Had a similar idea. No mana regen while attached was my thought, force her to come off to proc manaflow and it be useful etc.

@honorablegigachad6946

Жыл бұрын

I think there needs to be a way to outdraft her and make picking her a bad choice. Perhaps make it so that she can't build friendship on champions with smite? I don't know the exact answer but that champion has an overloaded kit for sure.

@Asoudo33

Жыл бұрын

@@honorablegigachad6946 maybe force her to pick one best friend at the start of the game and it doesn't get to change, like knights vow partner but permanent.

@honorablegigachad6946

Жыл бұрын

@@Asoudo33 Yeah that could work too, her healing, shielding, movement speed, attack speed and damage buffs on non-friend champs could be reduced to 1/4th of it's total value to get her through the early game. That would mean only very safe ad carries (like Ezreal, Ashe and Varus) could duo with her if she picks someone other her adc.

2:07 is glossed over but it's actually a really great point with a simple explanation. Viego, Aphelios, Akali, and Yone, are typically considered as balance issues. They aren't so overloaded / consistently reliable, and the way all those champs were nerfed was by taking reliability out of their kit. Akali lost the ability to dodge turret aggro, Viego lost range and healing, Aphelios got his base numbers hammered into the ground, and Yone got damage nerfed and the durability update hit him hardest of those four. Yuumi has unconditional untargetability. You can't be inconsistent on Yuumi since the bar for consistency is so incredibly low.

They should give yuumi a durability bar since she is basically an item, and when it runs out she is kicked out of the match.

@xGrifo

Жыл бұрын

better yet, when it runs out she’s permabanned ggez

make her normal abilities into your usual enchanter stuff with heals and buffs and turn her attach ability into her ult, make it so that she cant attach to another ally and put a limited duration so that she wont perma attach to the carry. that way she can be played like your usual enchanter that has to mind their positioning while maintaining her identity as a champ that attaches and empowers allies.

@hungrymusicwolf

Жыл бұрын

That actually sounds like a great idea.

@alexcat6685

Жыл бұрын

Problem is it could become even more monogus, I get it the uniques is whats causing the issue. That uniqueness isn't balanced around class she's in. I just don't want part of it just be removed to be "Another enchanter" Thats Bland and I hate some champions for not going through and risking thet unque quirk for being another bruiser or skirmisher. Thats why I wanna keep the constant attachment but add risks to them. Like for Yuumii to do anything there she has to put herself at risk, she needs to block damage to have her ally be healed, additionally if she blocks enough she's able to shoot a projectile that heals her and her ally additionally on hit. Able to block one instance of damage, afterwards the rest is reduced. Like braum sheild.

@theimmortaleye7511

Жыл бұрын

That just removes her uniqueness like what they did to aurelion

@banyani4048

Жыл бұрын

​@@alexcat6685 I agree, but I'd also like Yuumi to be "like other champions", as in, targetable. At least for a fair amount of time. I'm sure that they can do something to increase the risks of attaching.

@katharsis941

Жыл бұрын

@@alexcat6685 very well said, this would remove her whole uniqueness, I think riot already said that they want to keep this ability. Before the rework you had to hop of to restore mana and get the shield but now you don’t even have to hop off really anymore. Before there was the risk of being caught and If u picked some cc, especially a hook champ, it guaranteed almost the kill of yuumi and also her adc if she gets cc‘d.

Would you be interested in making another Swain video about his current satisfaction issues and how his mid scope created some new problems with him? (im refering to his bad scaling and rylais dependence in every game turning him into a utility mage which is not what players want). His pickrate is back to the gutter almost less than pre-midscope numbers

@phate1162

Жыл бұрын

I feel I'm one of the 4 people in the world that played a ton of "traditional" Swain, post-VGU Swain and post-midscope Swain as well and still mains him... and I honestly have no idea why so few people like him as of now. Yeah, the Rylai dependance is boring... but the champion identity honestly never changed that much: you're still a drain-tank AP juggernaut with DoTs (R), a spammable DPS tool (Q) and a somewhat hard to hit but pretty powerful CC (E + W combo, or E by itself). Probably the biggest problem I have with him (that Is not a problem with him but with battlemages as a whole, honestly) is that, if you don't wanna become a utility bot and wanna DPS, you're basically forced to a single keystone rune and a single item build: Conqueror Swain with Liandry + Rylai + Zhonya. But again... the fact that DoT mages literally have a single viable core build (with either Zhonya or Demonic Embrace depending if their kit synergizes with Zhonya or not) is an item design problem, not a Swain problem.

Why don't they add a timer on how long you can stay attached to a champion? X seconds, recast to get out earlier or be kicked if it ends, and place a decent cooldown on it so it has to be a meaningful decission.

one thing that is not mention in the yuumi debate, is that having one very strong champeon will ALWAYS be better that having a few somewhat strong champions, because of how snowball works in league, one feed irelia, jax or hecarim can easily run down multiple enemies when ahead. The problem with yuumi is that she is a guaranteed advantage for the strongest member of the team, once she gets her mythic item she can esentialy funnel all her resources into the strongest member of her team, enabling them to start snowballing for free, just because they now have a cat.

She went from beeing completly busted strong to completly useless 40% winrate just to get a rework getting her up to 50% winrate in less than a week again. This season has been so incredibly unbalanced it's insane it's like they suddenly have no ide what they want to do anymore. I like that they are trying to do stuff but it's a bit much to have champions swinging from 40- to 50+ winrate between 3 patches...

The recent Yuumi rework removed skill expression. Detaching to get mana or block skill shots was some of the few things you can do that used skill on yuumi and they are gone now to even further double down on her stat stick potential. Which will make people like her even less because no one wants to fight an untargetable stat stick (or play if made gutted). Riot should go the other direction making her w have a duration of lets say 8 seconds before detaching (this is still a really generous window). In exchange give her more pressure in her detached form to compensate for the nerf. If you make her new abilities be interesting detached and attached; for example her E could be held when detached to increase the speed and heal power after doing mini dash. Do you tap to dodge a skill shot? or do you hold to get more distance? or do you wait for your W to come back up to heal an ally? She could become a fun champion to play and play against.

Yo Early? Nice! good to hear you talk about Yuumi since they are changing her. keep up the good videos!

Yuumi was transplanted into another moba in the form of Comfey in Pokémon unite. We already hate it, especially us league fans

Why riot are not making her attachment ability with a cooldown? Like: Yuumi would be allowed to attach to 1 ally for only 30 seconds, and then it goes on cooldown for 10 seconds or so. With no cdr allowed to change those numbers. It would force her to waste money on boots, and also give the enemy an open window to take her down...

just realized that old poppy ult is just mordekaisers current ult

Yuumi in essentials actually feels very similar to a dota hero: Io. Both tether to one ally and gain the ability to move with them while providing large amounts of offensive boosts and heals to that one ally while having very limited offensive abilities of their own. However, Io does not attach to the tethered target but moves to a short distance away upon casting the tether then can move freely within the tether's break range of that ally. It gives the hero both counter play and skill expression as the enemy can counter the hero by catching it and its tethered ally together with aoes or just find a chance jump and focus down the Io, while the good Io players can skillfully manage their positioning and distance to try and prevent the enemy's attempts from working. So really the easiest fix is just to have Yuumi's tether work similarly to Io's, since that's been proven to work well already. As an aside, Yuumi is the first champion since the early days of league that feels so conceptually similar to a hero from dota. Even when key aspects of a champion feel eerily similar to a dota counterpart (like sylas's spell stealing and viego's copying of stats and basic abilities) the champion plays quite differently than the hero it shares the mechanic with. Meanwhile when you get down to it, Yuumi feels a lot like Io just without the global mobility ultimate.

so how did they do with the rework? part 2 please!

Little critique: is there any way you can decrease the bass on your microphone a little. It can be difficult to hear some words due to it being so heavy

I have a couple ideas: The first one would be displacement moves: Poppy slams the yuumi carrier, BOOM the cat deataches, thresh hook, blitzcrank's, you get the point. Maybe knockups too for the sake of consistency. That would make it possible to focus her. The second idea would be to nerf her kit to the ground BUT, she now gains stacks whenever she procs her shield passive or whenever she goes out and ataches to another champion (remove the direct transfer and make it so she has to go out first and then attach to the new target). These stacks increase her healing, shielding, boosting etc etc but now you have to achieve it but puting yourself at risk so you have to think it twice. This would also discourage the afk sitting on the same target because your supporting would be too weak without stacks. Maybe add bonuses whenever she has full stacks and then consume them all when she uses a skill.

Looking past the rework, maybe to fix the main problem of being untargetable could be Yuumi has a fair amount of time to be attached to someone before she detaches. Like 10 sec she can stay attached and then the cooldown is 15 seconds at first level dropping down to like 8 or something at max. The cooldown can start as she attaches to someone but there is a window to possibly give opponents an opportunity to jump her still Maybe a good idea with a few tweak

@sethsilvermoon4223

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Idk man, that's like pre-rework a.sol solution when u think about how very squishy yuumi rly is (including how her W would be out into cooldown when she's CC'ed), that would just mean u have to bump up her heals, shields and dmg while attached just to make it work. Don't get me wrong, I fkn hate Yuumi. But the only reason she's doing so well rn is because she's new and her win cond is to make it safe for the adc to cs while poking safely- downside is all the dmg and CCs would be focused on the adc instead which sometimes, yuumi's shield doesn't mitigate much if ur not ahead or ur adc is ass at positioning.

Love Riot's logic; "Everybody is complaining about her W invulnerability and attachment? Let's rework all her abilites except the one that is actually broken and plus give her even LESS REASONS TO DETACH from her ally"

I have a question: what would be the affect if her W only allowed her to sit intagable on others chapions for 5-7 seconds with a cooldown of 14 seconds before she can do it again. Would this be sufficient?

So to basically address the issues of her being untargetable and being an afk heal/shield bot, they made her....even better at doing those two things ?! The new friendship thingy basically wants you to stay with your adc the whole time and never leave them. Now instead of buffing a bruiser or an assassin she buffs her adc to the point where they'll win most 2v2s no matter what, allowing an adc to comfortably carry games without ever getting threatened because they've got a permanent buff on them that can never be removed. Good job riot, you truly listened to the community with that.

Make the Q faster, that always slows and with a small aoe so she can keep poking even coliding with the minioms. Remove the projectile control. W instead attaching her, attaches a "summon" (as aeri). She is always a separate champ. Give her bonus ms towards the champ with the summon. E stack charges per level, consume all the charges to heal and regain a charge whenever Yuumi cast W over a champ. W has a CD on each champion (except on Yuumi) the same way Sylas ult has a CD on champion. Q, E and R originate from (or targets) the champion carring the summon. If Yuumi is afar from the ally "attached", the summon returns to her. If Yuumi dies, the summon fades away. The passive gives the shield to the champ the summon is attached. I'm pretty sure the gameplay is quite similar but now she is a champ, not an extra 6 item slots to any carry in the game.

Her "rework" is already out but here's a suggestion: have a percentage of the damage taken by her ally also be dealt to her while attached. Limit the attach to a growing duration like A Sol Q channel or Urgot's Dakka mode. Make hard CC to the attached target force detach Yuumi.

Sad that no one knew enough about Dawngate to realize that an attach mechanic had been done before (and I'd argue successfully) in Mina. Yuumi's attach mechanic and the safety it provides isn't the problem. The problem is that there is ZERO incentive for the player to risk that safety. Yuumi's entire kit is objectively WORSE when playing unattached. She gains nothing whatsoever by unattaching constantly except what was the passive shield/mana gain. Contrast that to how Waystone did the same mechanic with Mina. Mina's abilities did different things when attached vs unattached; attaching empowered unattached use as well. This gave her constant incentive to expose herself by hopping on and off in team fights. Yuumi just needs reasons to unattach and the vulnerability problem would fix itself. Give her kit effects that trigger only when she uses a skill after recently hopping off. Make them good. Hell, make them 60% or more of her kits power dynamic. That would give plenty of incentive for players to risk themselves and your problem with 'too safe' would solve itself.

Yuumi's W should be temporary skill she could only use to be inside her team mates for a limited time. The extra stats would be ballanced by the fact they would be temporary and she would have to choose between using it to help someone or using it to reposition herself, like a better Rakan E

It feels like this is 5th time watching a “what’s wrong with yuumi” video and riot still has not taken any notes from any of them

@Underworlder5

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because they change everything about her except the part that actually gets criticism: the permanent untargetability from her W. as long as that stays unchanged, a yuumi that pockets a skilled and fed player effectively has no weaknesses

They need to either make it so she takes damage whenever the person she is latched on takes damage or remove the ability to latch onto people completely. No other way they can make her not utterly despised.

@ilyasfarhan1802

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Or just do what other games do, make the attachment has a duration so that she cannot jump willy nilly

@MarianaBello-fq3hx

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or do like what card games do. ban her from ever being playable in the main competitive format and let she cause trouble without affecting your climbing.

@gibarel

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@@ilyasfarhan1802 or make so CCing the ally detaches her

"To keep her same appeal without being annoying to deal with" That's the problem, her core design about being an untargettable healer is the issue. Riot can dance around all they like, changing numbers, try to encourage Yuumi to jump off and participate like all 160 other champions - but she won't, they DESIGNED HER THAT WAY. To fix this problem they literally have to remove that feature and redesign her without it. They wrote in a Dev Blog that they want Yuumi to be an introductory healer, that a newbie can play with friends and learn the game. Sure, fine, she is easy and can be played with a friend. But guess what, so can any other simple enchanter, and futher still, EVERYONE NEEDS TO WALK AROUND AND POSITION THEMSELVES. What do players think that don't understand League gameplay? I described Yuumi to my peers as "A healer you can't shoot" and they nodded in understanding. Can you imagine a Medic attached to a Heavy you can't shoot? A Mercy attached to a Reinhardt you can't kill? This concept isn't welcomed in game design altogether!

I've said it and I'll say it again: If I could remove any two champions from the game from among Yone, Yasuo, or Yuumi . . . I'd remove Yuumi twice.

I remeber my command back from the day where i sugessted that you can give here heal a target, make here conecting to a champion stronger but limited in time and scaling with levelup and a time buffer between swiches and after the champ conected dies, also you could like make here stron but not just an afk, active item. Well i hope at least after here VGU she gets re-balanced because i dont want to permaban Yuumi, i would like to have a coice what to ban.

Im an m7 yuumi, i usually go full AP, and shes one of my most played characters. That being said, the rework makes the person shes attached too have to auto to heal themself instead of relying on the zoomies. Her q being turned into a skill shot adds a lot more to her, you need to learn the person youre attached toos play style and know when and where to aim. Every missed q is a waste or potential death for your teammate, especially mid to late game when the bigger team fights are happening. You have no control over where you go its entierly up to who youre on unless you detach and then in that case you are basically an instant meltable character. theres so much more that goes into playing her that people dont realize and i hope this new rework gives people a better like for the cat. Her being invulnerable while attached is not a key factor and people focus way too hard on that one aspect.

Yuumi has just accumulated so much underserved hatred. She's seen patches where she deserved hatred, but that's not the case anymore. Her tradeoff is simple : Less utility in exchange for untargetable. Her attach takes up a spell, meaning she cannot provide as much as an echanter as lulu can. IMO Lulu is the closest comparaison, as they both have the same tools to provide for the team. For comparaison : Yuuumi - Q (Big slow, small poke) / W (Attach, heal on hit. Nearly useless in teamfights and skirmishes) / E (Big AS Buff, Some MS, Big shield) / R (A litttle dmgl, healing and slow) Lulu - Q (Big slow, small poke) / W (Polymorph or Big AS and MS buff) / E (Massive shield. Extends Q range without limit) / R (Hp buff, Good AoE CC) All together, lulu undeniably brings a ton more to the table as an echanter. However, Lulu can be focused first whereas Yuumi cannot. This is why Yuumi is fine... It's a simple tradeoff. One the costs so much that whilst Lulu is crazy strong, Yuumi is weak. (Or was, let's see what the "rework" does to yuumi) That's also why she was not fine at all when W gave 20% Adaptive force. Nor when the tradeoff is so violent, she hovers at 40% WR...

To be honest the only way to fix Yuumi is to hit her "i can just stick to one champion". Aka make her W bonus go away if she sticks to one target. Kinda like a cat. This will make her have acuall skill expretion on who she wants to give that bonus. Or something like that

I'm curious about what are your opinions about her recent rework. Is her design better or is her W still too big of a probelm?

Not sure if it's a bad or good idea, but I feel like having counterplay to Yuumi might be done by making her take a percentage damage (50% as an example) from the attacks that the person she's attached to receives. Problem is that even with that you kind of need to face tank (so to speak) a 2v1 fight, just for a shorter time since Yuumi might get killed first.

She's untouchable and feels like she either does nothing or does too much without risk to please anyone. There's almost no risk in playing her other than ultimately relying on whoever you attach to in order to stay alive while keeping THEM alive. Even with her rework as of typing this, there's no risk factor as they never addressed her near lack of vulnerability. In fact since the rework they REWARD you for being attached to the same person for long enough. There needs to be a compromise for her being attached for too long or to the same person in order to feel just right and apply a small amount of risk in her gameplay. She's "too safe" otherwise. They've done "partner" type champions that share abilities and buffs without making them invulnerable like Yuumi.

There's another champion that's community-hated since release. Rengar's gamplay is the most toxic thing to deal with in League. He is so unfair to a good 1/5th of the champion roster that when he was meta and a ban didn't go through, ADCs were picking hybrids like Kai'sa and Ezreal so they could buy a Zhonya's and hug their team's legs to stay alive. When one champion is so fundamentally disruptive to gameplay that you have to buy an item not designed for your champion for a chance to even play the game? That's ridiculous.

Anyone know what music he's using for his video?

Riot really do be in denial about yuumi w. Sure it’s the “champions identity,” but that identity is toxic and unhealthy for the game if it means that Yuumi can spend 15 minutes of a 20 minute game being completely unkillable. There’s no other Champ in the game that you literally cannot interact with during a team fight. Pull the plug on the cat rito.

I like Yuumi unironically. Not because I enjoy playing her or I think she's good for the game, I stopped playing LoL like 3 years ago. But she is a magical cat on a floating book and that's cute

Trashing on Yuumi is both duty and pleasure

Note: yuumi win condition is having at least one player on the team ho isn't a monkey. If that one player proves he can carry yuumi will attach herself and just win the game of that, exactly because she multiplies the stats. Now imagine a lulu ho can give aid to allies, she gives aid based on her own stats meaning if she is behind her aid amount will be low. Now as for yuumi that is not the case as she augments the ally based on the ally stats so if the yuumi team has 1 fed player, when yuumi is attached to that player now there is effectively 2 fed players. I played yuumi and personally i do not think that yuumi untargetability is a problem as she has to come out to grab a shield giving the enemy an occasional oppening. What i do hate about her is lack of gameplay. For a champ that does not need to bother with positioning she lacks things to do as you cast your abilities and from there you just watch your team fight while you emotionally support them through the chat. Seriously for a champ that needs not to walk she needs more abilities on low cooldown to keep the gameplay engaging. As it is right now it is a chill champ to play but oddly boring.

@archangel8172

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A cool gameplay would be something like the Invoker from Dota 2. Where you combine elements and based on the elements you will get as a result a different ability. That would make her gameplay just stellar.

Abathur from Heroes of the Storm has a similar mechanic where he can "attach" himself to another Hero (Champion) with his Q, but the differences are that it's a global, meaning he can swap to anyone anywhere on the map (accounting for the cooldown of the ability) in exchange for him losing control of his actual body, which is left in a comatose state while he is attached to someone else. Coupled with him having some of the lowest stats in the game (making his physical body very squishy) the counterplay becomes locating his real body and killing him, since he has no in-combat escape tools. In the context of League, where there are no walls to hide behind, Abathur would be much weaker than he is in HotS (accounting for number, scaling, and mechanical differences), but I'd imagine he'd be much more liked than Yuumi. Or maybe I'm wrong and he'd be oppressive, but I still think he is better designed than Yuumi.

I wish you had waited for her rework to analyze her or tacked on a low-quality piece at the end, discussing whether the rework correctly addressed these issues. Though I too hate old yuumi (jury is out on new yuumi), HoTS had an attach hero I really enjoyed, so the attach part is not this issue, it's the execution.

Yuumi is the only champ who went 0/5/2 against me last game and I am still permabanning her going forward. She should not be in the game. Everyone else who is annoying can at least be targeted, even the ones that have a million dashes.

The rework did nothing to fix Yuumi. Riot is just too stubborn to admit that being permanently untargetable is just unhealthy and will never be a good addition to the game.

There was a Reddit post that raises a really good point, Riot is shoving too much resources and development trying to make her work, when it's nearly impossible to without getting rid of her permanent latch W and without it her entire identity is just gone. Look at the overwhelmingly bad season start cinematic, look at all the shit "events" that are there just to farm Tokens for the 5th prestige MF skin. They are throwing too much money at the wrong things.

With how similar she is to Io from dota, I am surprised they missed the mark so much with her. Just make her targetable, adjust her numbers to compensate, and have W apply the link from range (like taric W)

@wastingsun

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To be fair Dota also has a champion who has a channeling point and click burst silence ability...so is it really the best source for good gameplay decisions. I'd compare it more to Abathur from Heroes of the Storm.

i think if they made her hop on have a limited duration and inbetween period so you cant infinite attach or chain attach would help. This would force her to wear boots like every other non-Cass champ and/or take flash. I think part of what is so degen about her is not only does she basically just act like a turboboost on whoever is most broken with her attached late game, but because she doesnt have to build for the consideration of being detached she gets an extra combat summ and item slot at the cost of forcing your carry to essentially play completely differently from normal to accommodate her lack of lane presence and the supports need to go ward around for vision. So basically she puts the supps responsibilities onto the carry in exchange for her absurd boons which is why she is broken godmode in pros and basically the worst experience to play in solo queue where your rando adc may or likely may not have any idea how to adapt their playstyle to utilize Yuumi or does and runs you over with it. Not to mention the movement speed boost alone is enough to ruin the.intended kitability of many champs like most top laners and junglers that is basically their main weakness they would otherwise need to itemize around. I mean Galeforce is basically only good because it gives otherwise immobile carries an extra flash-esque dash at the cost of their Mythic item being less effective at the only thing a carry is for (damage), a pretty steep trade. At least when Karma gives a shield with a movespeed boost she is targetable to punish in exchange whereas Yuumi is basically another Heal summ you dont push yourself with way lower cd and little punish options. Fix these things and.I think she may escape her deserved dumpster burial, but otherwise good riddance please destroy her.

The should give her a spell shield like malz when she dismounts so she could actually have a reason to , like block abilities. When she re attaches to someone it should work like karmas empower abilities. Give the champion reasons to detach .

Rework Yuumi into a Braum Shield, and let her rotate around the ally freely. That way she has to rotate out of the way of the enemies to ensure she's not taking a beating.

As someone who used to play a lot of Yuumi when I first started the game, I always just wanted her to be decent as a standalone champion. She really can't exist by herself though, which led to me migrating to adc characters. If I were gonna rework her, You and Me would have to pretty much go (which solves a lot of people's complaints too), but most of her abilities could actually stay the same. Something like this: Passive (Bop n' Block): Leave it like old Yuumi, using the shields in short trades effectively is satisfying and fun for the player. Q (Prowling Projectile): Can pretty much be left alone. Straight line skillshot, the damage isn't that much, and the slow utility is cool. Seems more than fair while Yuumi is unattached, maybe up the projectile speed since you won't be able to control the direction anymore. New W (You and Me): Yuumi dashes to a target ally, healing herself. If the target is a champion, they are healed instead, and any existing shield from Yuumi's passive is transferred to them. Yuumi is invulnerable while dashing (can be removed if it's too problematic). Basically, I would remove the attachment mechanic but give her back the invulnerability on the dash and add the heal from her old E (shielding allies with a dash has already been done multiple times). Also she could dash to minions, which would be fun and add more decision points to her gameplay (should she heal/defend herself or aid her ally?). Outplaying engages with W is literally the most fun part of Yuumi's current kit, but the invulnerability from being 'inside' a carry is frustrating for opponents. The new version would still give the feeling of playing a slippery cat, and it could be balanced by adjusting numbers and cd. New E (Zoomies!): Yuumi gives herself and nearby allies extra movement speed and attack speed for a short duration. Cats getting the zoomies is iconic, and it's fun to think that they are contagious to anyone nearby. Gameplay-wise, this would be a nice tool for all-ins and disengages, and it can be balanced by adjusting numbers and cd. There is some overlap with Lulu W, but affecting multiple characters in exchange for the hard cc option differentiates it enough I think. R (Final Chapter): Can pretty much leave this alone too, but shorten the cd on her W while she is ulting (this ability is much less fun if you can't reposition during it). Probably should use old R, as Yuumi would already be doing a lot of healing from decreased W cd, and there is a bit more counterplay if she is forced to only fire in one direction. It seemed like Riot originally wanted her playstyle to be short trades with her passive before dashing back to the safety of her ally, and I think these adjustments would preserve that idea. Now they seem dead set on keeping her W the way it is though, which unfortunately keeps her gameplay boring, non-interactive, and unhealthy :(

well they fixed one aspect of yuumi with the recent update in that she is not longer just a pocket mini fountain which you just spam e when its available, now shes a shield bot that actually needs proper attention to play, but she now has even less incentive to swap hosts or go out since she can procc her new healing passive with her q and she also gives on hit healing (small amount but still healing) just by being on ur adc

i think the easiest way to balance Yuumi's mechanics would be to make her W have a time limit. She can only attach for a set amount of seconds before being forced out of her host and have to reaattach to another, all while the ability itself having a cooldown. Trade that for her having more agency as a standalone character so she can at least fend for herself when she's unattached.

I don’t know if anyone said something like this, but what if they just put nora ( yuumi owner ) in the game and merge her with yuumi so she can kept the same abilities, but if nora dies then yuumi disapear too. Sorry if you don’t understand english is not my language.

spoiler alert from the future: even after getting olaf'd and reworked, yuumi is STILL widely hated, and rightfully so. she's just fundamentally broken by design

I feel like if they were to make a version of yuumi that wasn’t untargetable, it would be similar to Rakan. Jumping between allies providing buffs, projectile with a slow, and lots of cc potential with ult. Main difference would be rakan is an engage enchanter while yuumi would be a similarly mobile back line enchanter. It would probably still be pretty frustrating to deal with tho.

If they can take asols stars, they can take yuumies abilitie to attach. I don't see why they refuse to do it.

Riot just needs to make it so any cc dealt to champion yuumi is attached to, detaches her.

I hate Yuumi in every way possible. I hate being Yuumi's adc because she is too passive, even for the standarts of enchanters. Enchanters aren't very agressive (not saying that they can't be agressive), and Yuumi is the least of them. I hate going against Yuumi because let's be honest: she breaks one of the core laws of the game. I've not played with this disgusting being after the rework yet, but i imagine that the direction they're going to is making her a feast or famine champ (if your adc gets fed you win, if not you can't do jackshit)

One thing that could help balance yuumi is make is so she can only attach for a set time, ie 10,20, or 30 seconds, then falls off and the ability to attach goes on cooldown

There will never be a point where I don't hate Yuumi. It's bad enough when she's a gimmick for the enemy team, but what I hate even more is the invasion of personal space when she's on my team. The thought of another random player sticking to my champion and resigning all their movement and targetability over to me for any length of time will never *not* make me want to dodge.

They could make it so when she attaches to someone she leaves her book behind and if people destroy the book she pops off the champion. She would also have to jump off when she leaves a certain range from her book. Jumping off would set her attach to a moderate cooldown wich gets lowered if she picks up the book. This would still be a miserable mechanic to deal with but at least it would have counterplay.

The problem is i get the odea riot had , but the only way for smth like yuumi to work is make her conditional enchanter like zilean, where she gives stuff not all champs use. Weak cc like grounding, silence, heal reduce at best slow or sleep Buffs like mana, speedup , small cleanse, magig shield , attack speed. Auto enhancement

@honorablegigachad6946

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Yeah that would be balanced in my opinion, zilean sits at a good winrate but only because the few comps where he's viable enough to picked are very dominant and only 1 tricks play him.

If Yuumi took a percentage of the damage her host takes, her being untargetable would be acceptable. Say, 25% pre-mitigation. This would keep her off tanks and bruisers. Alternately, making it so the enemy could force her to detach after a certain amount of damage is dealt to her host could work also.

Are you gona make part 2.0 after rework? I feel video is good but terrible out of date...

i think her problem is her infinite untargetability. This is just my thinking but why don't they just do what they did to tahm which is swap her r and w of course that would be her current r would need to do less damage and probably more hits before it cc's you but that can be adjusted. Then make her untargetablity her r but with a catch she would only be untargetable for 30 seconds during that time she can go to whatever teammate and the the usual yummi thing but if her ally is cc'ed she is also cc'dd not only that after 30 seconds of untargetability she will be forcefully popped off and the r will be put on a 1:30 cooldown or something like that. This would then help lane against yummi pre 6 and offer some counter play by just having to cc the enemy yummi is on so she can't heal the ally she is attached to nor can she move to a different ally since she is cc'ed. of course with this you would need to change her e heal to maybe a targeted ability or something but i think this would somewhat solve the problem of constant untargetablitity also make her more interactable and counterable but number would probably have to be adjusted compared to what is said

Here's a rework for yuumi i think almost everyone would like to be applied, and it would just change her passive: NEW Passive: whenever a player picks yuumi, that player will be transfered to a 9 bot game where every bot will use the respective champions and nicknames from the players that were going to play with the yuumi player. If yuumi tries to chat with anyone, a chatgpt like ai will answer her disguised as one of the Champions. For the other players, the queue is reset, waiting for another support queuer. If the yuumi player achieves 100k+ mastery with yuumi, everytime she queues a pvp game the queue changes to a game against bots.

You're such a great content creator. Another great video, well done.

I think a good way to fix her would be to give her a limit to how many times she can jump to champs rathr than jumping an "unlimited" amount, and/or even adding a time limit to attaching and staying attached. Getting rid of the adaptive boost entirely making it a shield when she attaches to a champ. And maybe a small AP or AD boost if she hits her Q. Give her extra range with her Q not attached but keep her squishy as heck for when she gets caught out. Lower the range on her attach so she needs to b careful straying too far while trying to harass. If she's gonna be untargetable the caviat has to be making her MORE vulnerable when she IS vulnerable.