So THAT'S why my self esteem has bottomed out!

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a serious issue, man 👨🏽‍⚕️

@rickycook6881

5 жыл бұрын

He knows what he is talking about. Thanks man .

@vfam825

5 жыл бұрын

That and that snare wire buzzin´!

@buttonmashedpotatoes

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobBeatdownBrown described that perfectly

@relevantinformation6655

Жыл бұрын

😂👍

I'm a church drummer and I've learned so much from your vids! I like listening to you talk almost as much as I enjoy watching you play... 😊

@miahernandez6252

3 жыл бұрын

Same!!!

@chickenslothstudios699

3 жыл бұрын

He's got a great cadence and presentation, on and off the drums. I listen to his lectures while I drive to and from work.

@XeRo333

3 жыл бұрын

Same!!

@Themurphyshow7

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Rob is the absolute best

@trspanda2157

Жыл бұрын

Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.

Here's one: If your rack tom sounds dead and doesnt ring, even if you have suspension mounts make sure your shell or rim doesnt sag down and touch the bass drum. It has happened a few times to me at gigs. I thought it was phase cancellation from my monitor. The tom slipped down just enough to barely touch the bass drum.

@trspanda2157

Жыл бұрын

Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.

Solid advice, especially when mixed with your great tom tuning video.

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man 🙂✌🏽

@trspanda2157

Жыл бұрын

Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins.

@wammers1970

Жыл бұрын

@@trspanda2157 and hopefully your comments

I’m a 20 yr drummer, and as much as I hate to admit it, I’ve never really cared to learn how to really tune my kit. I’ve never really put the time in to play around with the tuning, therefore never knew how to really get my kit to sing. Your videos are super helpful

@erictorres4889

3 жыл бұрын

Wow really ? I know how to tune my drums and I’ve been playing 21 years . You have to be able to tune your drums it’s a must .

Rob, I'm a 67 year old, "Old Guy", love they way you present Drumming. Great personality and since of humor. Keep up the good work.

Another reason your toms might not sound good is that your kit might not be able to produce the sound you think it should because of the wood itself. No matter how you tune your toms, poplar will not sound like maple. Maple will not sound like oak. Oak will not sound like birch. So on and so forth. Doesnt mean that your drums dont sound good, just not the exact sound in your head...

@kemetfirst315

5 жыл бұрын

valid point

@xichael

5 жыл бұрын

This has been my experience with the really cheap kits

@tajbaber9425

5 жыл бұрын

Another thing to check is the condition of the bearing edges. That affects how the head sits on the drum.

@gaboogablah

5 жыл бұрын

I actually used poplar for the 10 & 12 toms, and maple for the 13. Then poplar for the 14 floor tom and maple for the 16 floor tom. And the best sounding bass for unbelievers was my 18 inch poplar bass even over the larger maple and walnut. The only benefit I've found for the wrap is to have different types of drums match, which I can do with the poplar and maple, but my walnut are natural finish, and I it doesn't look nice with wine red toms and a natural wood bass, so I don't use the poplar bass with the walnut toms. I from experience agree with the philosophy of the pearl reference set with the different woods for the different size drums to give even tone and volume. No, i don't have any pearl drums. I do know someone that has a pearl reference though.

@Caderic

5 жыл бұрын

Qui Tv, although I agree with you, I think you are talking about types of sound, where the video is talking about quality of sound. That being said, you are correct. My first set was a CB 700, that had not so great sound, because it was made from particle board, not even cheap plywood. But to follow you thought path you would also have to talk about drum head types: single ply, 2 ply, coated, not coated, ply thickness, hydraulic/oil, etc. That’s not really basic things like addressed in the video.

Lol oh that's why I had self-esteem issues in high school hahaha. This is great. Love everything you do, man. So glad I found your six-stroke roll vid and subscribed

@markdemell3717

3 жыл бұрын

It might have been the zits?

Bro you have blessed my playing, I'm going to change my church kit up to uv1 emad included on my 16 and kick for my oak customs. My stage star Tama with the 18 inch kick is singing because of your advice. Thanks from Detroit.

@gaboogablah

5 жыл бұрын

My 18 inch poplar bass has the best sound of the many sets and sizes I've had and even with little to no muffling. I always get comments that they can't believe it's an 18 inch bass. The only drawback is it doesn't match my favorite set. Wine red wrap bass just doesn't look good with natural wood toms.

Can’t say how awesome this guy is when it comes to helping those of us who are still learning. I’m a (very) amateur player for a church praise band, but so blessed to have excellent gear to play on and an even better band leader and sound man. They’ve utilized all these tips to ensure the drums sound incredible, and man what a difference (drums and self-esteem!). Thanks for taking the time to walk us through elements that may not always be obvious to less experienced musicians. Peace!

Also wanted to mention my agreement about cheap heads on cheap drums. Bought a Premier RockStar (?) 20" kick for less than $80. Sounded like Hammered Sh*t with the cheap stock heads. Thought it was a bust and I was out $80. Bought an Evans EMAD and REMAD and I now have a great sounding 20" cannon! Listen to this man peeps! He's preaching the truth!

@gaboogablah

5 жыл бұрын

It's like I always tell people, you can make cheap drums sound better, but you can't make cheap cymbals sound better. Try to get the best cymbals you can, it's easier to learn and play and you don't get distracted by the awful sound of cheap cymbals ruining your mood because you don't get the sound you want or need.

@SAHBfan

5 жыл бұрын

RockStar? Sounds more like a Tama name than a Premier one. Premier drums (the original made in Britain ones) were very well made drums, excellent woodwork, excellent chrome plated fittings.

@gaboogablah

5 жыл бұрын

Back in the 80s tama names ended in star, swingstar, rockstar, imperialstar... I've got an old premier, its really good sounding but the hoops aren't fitting right, maybe back then they used British heads in metric and my Evans didn't fit in the hoops correctly. Really had to get the gap around the edge perfect or you can see right through between the hoop and outside of the shell. I don't know what's going on with premier anymore, can never get a response from the office in the UK and I've emailed trying to get parts but I gave up on them. So I've never considered premier again for anything.

@SAHBfan

5 жыл бұрын

There is a modern company called "Premier percussion" or something. They bought up the name, I believe, but the genuine Premier drum company went bust many years ago, A very great shame, for many decades they were producing great drums. They were always strangely out of step with everyone else. When the American companies were into full length lugs, Premier has small lugs. When the rest of the World moved to nodal point lugs, Premier moved to full length lugs... They were still selling flush base stands when everyone else were making tripod stands... Premier finally move to tripod stands when everyone else moved to double braced, then back to flat based... and so on. Premier had a knack for always being out of step - but I have a bass drum from 1932 and the build quality is absolutely superb. I had a projector kit from the 1980s that was a beautiful example of high quality woodwork - and the chrome! Oh, the chrome!!! The chrome metalwork was made by the same Yorkshire company that made the hand rails, seats and chromed fittings for the London buses and the London underground - and they lasted for decades of being grabbed by millions of sticky hands...

Love your videos, Beatdown! You rock!

Your self esteem plummets 😂

Brother!!! This is good material for all drummers out there! I love all of your videos! They really helps to improve your playing and knowledge...! Blessings to you my man!!! Jimmyrod!

Here's another one. Don't beat the crap out of them. Drums only get so loud before it starts sounding like noise. Increased volume doesn't necessarily increase fidelity. Mic's and amps were created for a reason. Oh, also, keep on practising. Respect.

@MrMrh1958

5 жыл бұрын

Anhba Shaffer Wise words! Zappa said drummers shouldn’t hit too hard, especially in the studio!🥁

@justmarc2015

5 жыл бұрын

The trick is to go easier on the cymbals, and play the drums hard, right before the point where they won't get any louder. ESPECIALLY the snare. Nothing worse than a weak snare drum

@CMissShelleyMichelle

5 жыл бұрын

Go back in time and try telling that to a still alive Keith Moon the loon.

@evieatarax

5 жыл бұрын

In Vulfpeck, I've seen the drummer playing the drums like it's past his bedtime... Super funky & low volume

This channel is a gold mine! Subscribed! Thank you for investing your time, and sharing your experience, insight, talents.

Rob, your videos are MUSIC TO MY EARS. You are The Best !! I can’t ever thank you enough for all the help you’ve given me; my kit sounds the best it ever has thanks to you.

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

Good stuff, man 🤘🏽 Glad the videos helped you out 🙂

Love your videos Rob. Wish you were in Orange County, CA. I would take lessons from you.

Words of wisdom from the man.I believe these are some of your best videos . Getting beginner drummers to make a drum sound awesome. I only wish that I had KZread and your channel back when I started playing in 1995. Robbrowndrums👊

I'm not even a drummer (dumb run o the mill guitarist with a home studio - and a drumset for other people) and I just watch these videos because you are entertaining as Hell, Rob. Dig you as a personality, man!

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, man 🙂✌🏽

Dude. There us NO ONE out there that cuts through the stupid technical crap the way you do! And I appreciate the hell out of the plain talk and easy honesty.

Gonna use this technique on the Church Drumset! God Bless, Rob!

This video helped me out and improved my life. Thanks Rob!

This video makes me extremely happy with my purchase of my Gretsch Renown kit. Those toms sing, and I have yet to change the resos in 3 years of having the kit. And I can tune it via tension, because the lugs are all butter. Had a drum tech at a show go into me over my snare sounding like shit (thanks Dan), but when he hit the toms he was like "see! these are perfect!"

This is a great video for new and intermediate drummers. Rob goes in good depth about problems causing sound issues and solutions to fix them. On problem I have heard about that I don't believe he mentioned is the shells not being true. I've heard if you take the head off and place the bare drum on a known flat surface you shouldn't be able to see any variations in the wood. I have also heard that if the variations are not too bad you can put down some 220 grit sand paper with 2 sided tape and work out the imperfections. I'm sure Rob knows about these things and probably touched on 5 main issues and there are most likely more reasons for bad sound. But I hope this may help someone out there. Rob is a great guy for selflessly helping to spread the knowledge.

Rob - I am an old guy wanting to get back to drumming. Thanks for the excellent and clear advice.

I have been playing all my life, but your common sense has made all the difference. Thank you!

Fantastic video Rob!! Great points mentioned here. :)

Also, loosely threaded lugs/sockets lead to rapid and consistent detuningon cheaper kits

Thanks Sir Rob. It really works on my church drums even though it's just low class shell but I got some awesome drum heads and it sounds great. Thanks for the tips

New to owning a kit. New to watching KZread drum tip vids. 4&1/2 min into this vid and SUBSCRIBED & liked already. Well spoken and informative. Thank you!!!

Great video Rob. Awesome tips thanks

I can hear your drums resonating with your voice,that’s awesome.Great drums

Thank you!! Very helpful!! Awesome video.

Another great video. Thanx, Rob.

0:54 shit I've been playing since I was 8, yet here we are

@owen0566

3 жыл бұрын

Same, my Tom’s sound like shit it pisses me off

Great vids Bro. Love your sense of humor. I can relate.

Opening lines where brilliant 😂 very helpful, thanks so much 🙏

So helpful, thanks bro. I play drums at my church and we haven't tuned the heads for months to my knowledge lol, that was spot on

Great video. Rob, you cover so much info. It is Impossible to cover it all. Another rack tom sound solution for a 4 piece set is of course the snare stand trick a la Charlie Watt. It free up the shell and allows the drum to resonate. As you are so thorough. I should add that the snare basket tension on the rim will affect the tone of the tom show don't crank it down until it strips before backing it off. LOL

You are KILLIN me (the air smells badd ) love it .

@oil1252

5 жыл бұрын

Neil Hartman stal

I wish I would've found this back in 92. You're my hero.

I have to tune my first set this weekend and I am getting so much from your tutorials! I’m a guitar player, but our group is running through drummer after drummer and we dont currently have a steady, but just got new heads. I volunteered to change them and tune them! Thanks for the awesome tips!

@legacyShredder1

5 жыл бұрын

If you want to seriously take your craft to the next level and be a key player in any band you may be involved in/ play in, Learn everything you can about every piece of gear, every instrument, and every last knob on that mixer and PA. No matter the situation or problem you will always be able to blow minds.

@markkindermannart4028

5 жыл бұрын

Legacy Shredder Great advice and I always try to adhere to it!

Great video man!

Thanks again good sir. This reveals a possible solution on my starter kit, pretty high quality for a gifted set from a friend with a library of drums and metals. I switched the heads on my kick cause I didn't think of reversing my tom mount which has one long and one short tube. I couldn't get the tom close enough with the long tube stuck into the kick and the short on on the tom, but if I switch it back and stick the short end into the kick there won't be much or none at all of the tube extending into the drum, and same with the tom which then will have the long tube allowing it to cross the expanse of my deep and mighty kick, I think it's 18 inches deep thus the lack of ergonomic access with the tom mount plunged into the drums. Once the band advances and I have the means to bring in my dream kit there won't be any mounts that poke into drums. I like the idea of a Gibraltar rack with curved tubes on the sides and then everything is mounted to that and there's only the hat stand with a tripod cluttering the ground, and all the mounts are clamped or bolted on the outside of all the drums.

Rob thank u for this video, tunning is easy en quick, love it howe u show it. Thanks man.

Thanks for the helpful tips!!!

Great vid. I've made a living playing drums for over 20 years...but I still watched this cuz like my grampa said " you can learn something every day if you pay attention". Thanks.

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

Your gramps is a wise man 🙂✌🏽

Legend for this one. Was wondering how to fix that asap

5 (+1) great tips Rob. Another couple of problems with toms and "communal" kits are 1. Don't touch that or else! for anyone but the 'special one' who plays them on rare occasions and 2. they're plastered with damping/duct tape etc 'cos they're too loud. Solutions depend on diplomacy, persuasion and perseverance.

Big thumbs up for the topic and all you said. 100% accurate! If set is properly tuned, then sounds better. If not, then produces noise. No music, just noise!

Thanks mate. You are a gentleman and a scholar...

Allways great info thanks

You and your videos helped me turn my little sisters drumset into a beast. Thank you

Droppin' nothing but truth bombs here!

You're my favorite drum channel

Great video,. Thank you.

Great video Rob! I personally am a strong proponent for the Pearl OptiMount tom mounts. They are a bit pricey but worth every dime. Not to be confused with thePearl I.S.S. mounts. The I.S.S mounts will warp your rims! That is the only product Pearl has that I will not own and they used to come standard on all of their entry level and mid range kits.

Thanks, great info!

Thanks Bro very Good Info.

Great video! Wish I knew more about e rings and moon gel when I started playing instead of taping toilet paper with electric tape on the heads lol. Also, toms can sounds crappy if you miss the middle (unless the higher pitched sound was intentional for a particular groove). Acoustics of the room you’re in play a role as well, and that applies to cymbals too. Which, by the way, need polishing (if they’re a brilliant finish).

EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!!!!

Big fan, saludos desde Argentina!

I play a four piece kit and I mount my rack tom on another snare stand which is another option.......great vid as usual Rob

Good information.

This guy is a drumming master.

if its from AliExpress it was never meant to sound good

@markdemell3717

3 жыл бұрын

I get ya.

Thanks Rob, this outta hold me until the end of the year when I buy a new kit

Rob Brown! Thanks so much. Going back down in my basement right now to sort dem toms!!

My thoughts were suspended but those tips truly resonated

My ice just got better-thx dude!!

Haaaaaa man, my air got stagnant, everything just got crappy after mounting and ringing. Great videos you have Rob ya gave me hope to get back out there after i peep your tuning video. Great stuff, subscribed and thankful...

Thanks Rob.

Good video!!!

You have an excellent take , in when things aren’t right….. Touché’ my brotha’

Just curious; Does #5 apply to the tom holders on bass drums? On many sets the tom holder goes through the bass drum, as your kit does in this video.

Also you can by another snare stand and mount it that way

Thank you 🙏🏽

You rock, dude !

Great stuff! I want to get really deep sounds without buying a birch kit...what are your thoughts?

I have 2 Roger's kits from 76 & 77 with the memory loc system which goes through the shell and it does change the tom sound for sure . I tried tuning the reso heads tighter and looser and just not getting the sou d I want .

Now... that's why Robb 'Beatdown' Brown is the Number One Channel. He'll get you there... 💙👊😎

Great video Rob, as always :)

@woutergroenestein4337

5 жыл бұрын

Love how you can say that with a 13 minute video that was posted 3 minutes ago😂

@RobBeatdownBrown

5 жыл бұрын

HE knew what was comin 😉

I have found that placing the moon gel rite under where the mic goes, man it makes a difference

Really informative! Just a quick Q; from an expert’s point of view, do you think it’s advisable to loosen tom tuning screws if we’re putting one kit away in its case to use another?

Hey Rob , Love your Vids.... Question about making the adaptation to my Cheapo Bass drum mounted with poles into the rack toms. If I bring tem out as far as they will allow without falling off, seems like a doable thing. But if I decide to buy Cymbal stand clamps , how do you attach the Rack tom to the Cymbal stand? And what do you do with the predrilled hole in the Toms?

I had a weird issue where either my 10 or my 12 would sound dead using the Yamaha YESS mounts on the bass drum (Yamaha Stage Custom). I had to tinker with the positioning a lot. I wound up stealing a couple of YESS mounts from my electric kit that had longer hex rods and that seemed to solve it. Not only that, but it brought the toms a little closer to me, which I prefer. My only potential concern would be any added torque on the bass drum shell, having the toms mounted further out, but I'm hoping that's not an issue.

Gauger rims are the best! I changed my Sakae trilogy mounts for these because my 12” tom just didn’t sound right to my ears, the10” not so bad, but I have the gaugers on my Old Camco set and it sounds truly fantastic, well it is a Camco after all!😂 Cheers!

Mine sound like crap because I bought the drums for 100 bucks I suck at drums and cant tune them. I have only played my acoustic set maybe 10 hours. These Videos help a lot. thank you.

That is helpful advice indeed! I don’t really want much resonance with my toms and would prefer a thud cuz I play death metal type stuff. But yeah those Tom arms (especially with Pearl kits) will impede on resonance. For me that’s kind of a good problem to have which is why I prefer Pearl kits. I completely agree with you on factory Tom heads. The Pearl factory Tom heads are single ply rubbish. The Aquarian Power Stroke II Tom heads are the best heads I’ve ever used.

There are also heads that happen to be defective (actually had this happen recently), bearing edge issues, shell roundness, and even the room the drums are in. Glad you mentioned the mounting system issues. To be honest, I've found Yamaha's mounting systems to be pretty garbage when I've tuned them in the past. Even without the rod going into the shell, I'd still have to do what you said and mess with the positioning of the mount to avoid the drum getting choked. The old ones with the long bars going inside the drum are even worse.

I had an out of round hoop on my 10 inch tom. Having a propensity for tools, I was able to construct a hydraulic press with interchangeable 3 inch thick disc plates to accommodate all my toms. These plates are perfectly flat in terms of aircraft machine grade lateral run-out tolerances. By milling these plates to within 22 thousands of flat plane specs and by applying 4,255 pounds of pressure on the press, I was able to straighten the bent hoop, perfectly. The plates including press, costs less than 5K, all in! It was an easy fix and am happy knowing that as my hoops get bent from time to time, I can easily repair them, right here in my shop.

Please do one for the snare drum!

I know this is wrong advice, but I am terrible at tuning and I am not afraid to admit it. I use two ply reso and batter heads. Its helped alot. RE-EDIT, I gave trash advice. Learned how to tune and finally got the sound I was looking for. Remo Powerstoke 4 Batters, Remo Ambassador on Reso for Toms. Sounds awesome!

thanks Rob..will try that on drum suspension ...mine do sound like crap..

Dang! Now I know why my cheeseburger tasted horrible for the last few days! Thanks!

The moongels and o-rings are more for controlling overtones than for excessive resonance. The two can sometimes go hand in hand, but I have often seen drummers put multiple gels on a drum to decrease resonance and end up with what sounds like an old worn out head.

@legacyShredder1

5 жыл бұрын

I certainly agree with you, but then Steve Gadd pops into my head. I suppose it doesn't much matter what he plays though..

Yeah, I'm on some serious medication because of my toms.

@markdemell3717

3 жыл бұрын

Popeye cigarettes work too ,placebo effect.

Thanks!

Thanks for the vid! I have the same exact problem with my 12" rack tom. The sound great when I tune them but when I get em back to the kit. They sound terrible. I play a pearl decade. Any tips on how to work on that? Thanks!