"long answer: nnnnnnooooo" is the best worst joke you've made yet

@donotlike4anonymus594

3 жыл бұрын

Well I haven't yet watched the video and I just commented that basically yes......... In reality we can communicate there's just a massive delay It's not ideal but.... In the future in theory we could entangle particles and somehow measure them to move messages.... In theory....... And I mean we are heading the in the right direction... Quantum computers aren't there yet but the potential exists....

@dazza2350

3 жыл бұрын

@@donotlike4anonymus594 ??????????

@donotlike4anonymus594

3 жыл бұрын

@@dazza2350 what.....

@odobro9919

3 жыл бұрын

*best

@billyalarie929

Жыл бұрын

@@dazza2350 lmao what

Earth: send wall of text... 20 mins later.... Mars: k

@disguisedpeanutbutter8334

3 жыл бұрын

Earth: *_Triggered_* Mars: _You can no longer send messages to earth._ _Click here to find out more_ Mars: *panic*

@TheTechiemoses

3 жыл бұрын

This is how Genocide happens.

@donotlike4anonymus594

3 жыл бұрын

They say it'll take between 15-30 minutes... (Very rough estimate... But yeah most say 20) and keep in mind it's a 2 way issue it'll take the message the time to travel to mars and as much time to travel back.... Not to mention we have to account for the planet' s rotation and position for both earth and mars (Well I mean I guess that depends on how we send the message... Lasers would be great but require a lot of accuracy... More traditional ways of communication like radio signals etc will spread out more so u know....)

@nancyfalcon2796

3 жыл бұрын

so Mars will be populated by American teenagers.

@ankitmathur5113

3 жыл бұрын

Obviously 40mins, not 20mins

7:32 when the internet speed is better on Mars than in your hometown, feels bad.

@hirdeshbajwa8906

3 жыл бұрын

what haha where is that?

@redacted178

2 жыл бұрын

Same bro, Mars has better internet speed than me (cries in a corner)

@TheParagonIsDead

5 минут бұрын

Fr

4mbps per second is literally faster than my internet

@yeetghostrat

3 жыл бұрын

Faster than downloading a game through the EA Origin engine

@destroyer6470

3 жыл бұрын

@@yeetghostrat too bad I got battlefield 5 on sale(It took a literl week for gta to download)

@destroyer6470

3 жыл бұрын

@oH well,lord! I make 3 when I'm alone

@tylerindersmith5480

3 жыл бұрын

That reminds me of 10 years ago....... 10 years ago!!!!!

@destroyer6470

3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerindersmith5480 well that reminds me of today so

Can we just take a moment and appreciate that we are seriously talking about the nuances of communication with humans on another planet. The fact that we even have this problem to deal with is exciting.

@toreyweaver9708

3 жыл бұрын

Facts!

@dan-ho1zz

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like we’re living in the jetsons or something technology has gone absolutely wild in the last two decades or so

@KeithNeilson

3 жыл бұрын

And it's only going to get wilder, faster.

@polychoron

3 жыл бұрын

We're going to surpass the Jetsons in my lifetime.

@rafasilva1265

3 жыл бұрын

We don't have this problem, we're making it a problem

For anyone that grew up in the 90's this isn't so bad.

@peterj-s6421

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@user-hu3iy9gz5j

3 жыл бұрын

But you grew up a long, long time ago

@296jacqi

3 жыл бұрын

Grew up in the 80s, so I got this!

@God-Emperor-Of-Mankind

3 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't survive in my universe Palpatine.... 💀

@Kenji1685

3 жыл бұрын

I remember those days. There were much cooler toys back then. 😂

"To kill two birds with one stone, I shall build a giant trebuchet to launch myself to Mars. Thus, I will never have to use a Zoom call AND I may get a job with SpaceX!" -Sun Tzu, the art of War (probably)

@joshjones6072

3 жыл бұрын

haha!

@billyalarie929

Жыл бұрын

LMFAO

I am a father of 7, with 4 grandchildren and growing. I have discussed with my children several times that given the chance I would take a one way ticket to Mars. To be one of the first, a true explorer. What surprises me is that they don’t understand why I would give up what I have. And I don’t understand why they can’t understand me.

@washcloud

3 жыл бұрын

...you seem to be very keen on having sex. Mind you that a roundtrip to Mars means having to abstain from it for at least a couple of years. In other words, if you insist on it, I'm afraid I can't understand you either.

@washcloud

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Zhang ...MY mind? I'm not the one with numerous children

@DurzoBlunts

3 жыл бұрын

Difference between your version of an 'explorer' and a scientist conducting theoretical work? Nothing, scientists often also dive into the unknown and discovery awaits before them. Why not just be happy with that?

@darkprince56

Жыл бұрын

How about because it would make you selfish to leave a family behind.

@25lover25

5 ай бұрын

Idgaf

I don't even know any one on Mars so I am not worried.

@felixwankel3989

3 жыл бұрын

Check your Earthling privilege

@WiserGuy

3 жыл бұрын

Yet.

@shacktime

3 жыл бұрын

And you never will. Even less to worry about😉 We’re gonna get there some day but we’re not gonna pull off living there. We couldn’t even get Biosphere to work. On Earth.

@addamriley5452

3 жыл бұрын

Jeff Byrnes on the contrary, they colonised mars back in the 50s... they have constant contact with earth, but radio waves and jet propulsion are a joke to keep people distracted... can you guess how they travel and communicate?

@mattypusplatypus3340

3 жыл бұрын

Heehee :)

As a Texan (Howdy, Joe! From the RGV here!) in my own personal experience 15 years ago I moved to England from Texas & when I go back it feels completely alien to me now... also- people move on quickly- it’s quite heartbreaking but when you are the one to leave your native land, they get over you pretty quickly... I’ve got family who I haven’t seen for YEARS that I used to be close to... then after a while you move on, too. And that’s here on earth!

@hawkenparker1790

3 жыл бұрын

I love the idea of moving abroad. Sadly I'm a high valued target for England to want me. Though I feel like someone has to sweep and clean the Martian Facilities, they'll want me... Right?

Well, when I woke up this morning, I didn't expect to be screaming "NO COMMUNICATION THEORUM" at my phone as hard as I could...

@lonestarr1490

3 жыл бұрын

Did Google reply with _'Did you mean "NO COMMUNICATION THEOREM"?'_ (in the same volume)?

Hi Joe! Quantum Information PhD here. The problem with entanglement not providing faster than light communication is not that we can't act on one of the two particles without breaking the entanglement. Actually, that's pretty easy, and is routinely done in experiments! The issue is much more fundamental: there is no way to "force" a locally measured particle to be found in (say) the "up" state. Entanglement only tells you that the two outcomes are correlated (e.g. they are opposite) but provides no way to choose _which_ outcome you get...

Lmaooo, the long answer: nooo oooo ooo That was good aha

Schrodinger's cat just became Jackson's glove.

@kellyjackson7889

3 жыл бұрын

If the cat don't shit you must acquit.

@RupertBruce

3 жыл бұрын

If the cat had a twin that was of the opposite gender and no one checked the gender. Twin1 goes to Mars. Twin2 stays here. No poison or death required! Check the gender of your cat at any time. Do you know if the other person has observed the gender of their cat? No information can be communicated.

@chazzcharles1327

3 жыл бұрын

@@kellyjackson7889 PERFECT!!!! LOL

@shoam2103

3 жыл бұрын

So the Mars orbiter bandwidth.. Is typically better than the connection I get on a bad day.. For a single satellite though.

@fakename67

3 жыл бұрын

@Rupert Bruce its 2020 though so you will have to ask your cat what gender it chooses lol

The best Schrödinger's cat explanation I've ever heard, no cat necessary.

In one of his stories Vernor Vinge touched on a possible solution: AI-based predictive buffering. A pair of AIs at each end of the Earth to Mars channel are designed to learn the data request patterns and to get material to the other end before it is needed. We do something like this right now for many hierarchical storage solutions relying just on locality of reference. It should be possible to do a lot better once the common patterns of usage are understood. Combine that with really, really big buffers at each end and Mars would have near-instantaneous access to most Earth material it needs. (Zoom performance still would be rather annoying, though.)

This is why in The Expance Martians almost immediately distanced themselves from culturally from earth.

@alexsalinasvega3765

3 жыл бұрын

“Expanse” ☝🏽

@joescott

3 жыл бұрын

I need to get caught up on that show.

@ieuanhunt552

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexsalinasvega3765 bloody autocomplete

@anno5936

3 жыл бұрын

@@joescott how could YOU be missing out ?

@squirlmy

3 жыл бұрын

@@joescott The character named Holden acts exactly towards the alien tech as in the first season. And acts exactly unlike he had this dramatic ecstatic experience of having a civilization download all their knowledge into his brain. You know, the thing they spent three seasons to get to. People who desperately needed to like it, apparently can ignore little things... like the plot. Because #edgyscifi

As an IT professional, you seem to have a very good understanding of the many complications involving data-transfer between planets. A lot of people don't seem to fully grasp how complicated these communications truly are. Long-time viewer, keep up the good work Joe!

Maan... I just can't wait for the 5th season of The Expanse!

@bestestdev

3 жыл бұрын

I just started watching it today, and then I caught up on Joe and saw this video! It's great!

@samuelmason8370

3 жыл бұрын

Dude i loved the series.... but really only the latter 3rd of season one, season 2, 3, and 4 at 1.25x speed. 5 was so boring- so boring.

@lolcat3698

3 жыл бұрын

Same 😔😔

That glove analogy for explaining quantum entanglement was great!

"Getting a letter from New York to London in colonial times would take weeks or months... or sometimes wouldn't get there at all." Wow, like sending letters from Australia to the London today, then?

@MenacingPerson

3 жыл бұрын

Use email, no matter how bad the internet it will always not take weeks or months

@ankitmathur5113

3 жыл бұрын

@@MenacingPerson Great tip. Who had even heard of e-mail, right??

@MenacingPerson

3 жыл бұрын

@@ankitmathur5113 yeah ikr

Speaking of Interstellar, I just noticed this the other day. Remember when they went to the giant wave planet with 1.6 times earth gravity?...they exited the planet's gravity well with an SSTO. And at the beginning they used a 3 stage rocket...ya see the problem here?

@totalermist

3 жыл бұрын

They used an advance plot drive to achieve this. It's manufactured by the same company that provides protagonists with the incredibly useful and durable plot armour as well.

@MrWhiteVzla

3 жыл бұрын

@@totalermist plot technology is the most advanced technology known to men.

@dominicjose3660

3 жыл бұрын

@@totalermist aah I see.

@joescott

3 жыл бұрын

"Because movie"

@anthonyhutchins2300

3 жыл бұрын

He also falls into a black hole and survives... They did their best lol

Joe, I just want to say thank you... Thank you! You've produced like 3 videos I didn't LOVE, that's impressive as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope YT rewards you well for each of your vids I watch. Covid killed my job so I can't contribute other ways right now, but I want you to know that what you produce is appreciated VERY MUCH!!!! Thank you! Peace.

Fantastic content! This is precisely why Im subscribed to this channel! Thank you Joe for providing what seems like a never ending source of entertainment and just damn good learning. I am a better and more informed person because of the content you create

Over our marriage, I moved with my ex-wife no less than five times in order for her to pursue her career. From the very start of our relationship I asked her “given that any move to Mars would be one-way, due to not only the expense but the changes wrought by the lower gravity making it impossible to return to Earth, would you be willing to emigrate to Mars with me?” Her answer was always a resounding “no”. That really should have been a red flag to me...

@whatsupbudbud

3 жыл бұрын

Because who wouldn't want to live on a planet which has a habitat that is completely under human control, doesn't have war, famine, trivial conflict and the like? Jeez, I hope you dumped her four hours and thirty minutes ago. You can definitely do better, mister.

@Gentleman...Driver

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatsupbudbud Yes, but also it is a barren rock with a deadly atmosphere... I mean, who wants this when you can live, lets say on Hawaii?!

@esquilax5563

3 жыл бұрын

@Enclave Soldier Haha exactly. Mars is essentially in a state of perma-famine. I sympathise with OP if his wife was always making him move and yet would never move for him, but moving cities is hardly comparable to changing planets. Try setting up home first in the relative paradise of Antarctica, and see how that goes

@davidanderson_surrey_bc

3 жыл бұрын

Considering she's the one who kept the two of you changing addresses for the sake of HER career, I sincerely hope YOU got to keep the last house.

@whatsupbudbud

3 жыл бұрын

It is you both who are oversimplifying it, buddies. The biggest risk to any human is another human, not the environment which is pretty stable both on Earth and on Mars. Living here without other humans would be a breeze but we're all here aren't we? Mars will have only the best of the best, so very marginal human risk at worst. Other concerns you mentioned are negligible as they can be resolved by engineering. That being said, I do realize that most people are chickens regarding novel things until the masses are into it, so can't blame you for, well, being human. Sure glad you both won't be the ones going to Mars to fuck it up, lol.

Joe: "Wormholes" Me: "Stargate!" Joe: "[like] in Interstellar" Me: cries in Goa'uld...

@Llova1

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I’m not the only one!

@KaraKobold

3 жыл бұрын

joe needs to go watch stargate xD

@wolff

3 жыл бұрын

And before also, in "Event Horizon"

@JeremyKolassa

3 жыл бұрын

Kree!

@MrZekinhaluiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@KaraKobold it would be good for him

Great Video, Joe. Always enjoy them! Keep up the good work :)

2:09 Leif Erikson, please. Let's remember this truly impressive explorer's name correctly, shall we? ;)

When he said what the long answer was he literally had me crying

"Your home is littered with NASA spinoff technology" I feel attacked...

@davidanderson_surrey_bc

3 жыл бұрын

Except Velcro. That was clearly a Vulcan invention.

@michealdean3750

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidanderson_surrey_bc Nah. Velcro is a Vogon device. A sort of byproduct of their intergalactic highway construction project for a hyperspace express route. Or maybe it's Ravenous Bugblatter Beast dung. Or both.

@geokon3

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidanderson_surrey_bc Man I need more seasons of Enterprice...

I find myself staring at the random stuff on the shelves behind Joe. Cool nerdy knickknacks. And of course, always awesome info being thrown out there.

Regarding the folding paper / punching hole thing, before Interstellar it was also in Event Horizon! Dunno if that's where it comes from originally, I imagine some science dude used this metaphor to explain to us plebs a long time ago how wormholes work

That's the greatest "long answer" I've ever heard.

@marccolten9801

3 жыл бұрын

Should have used "Short answer, yes with an if. Long answer, no with a but ."

@IronhandedLayman

3 жыл бұрын

Strongbad agrees.

@joescott

3 жыл бұрын

Thank yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou.

when you asked "how much of a time delay?" my internet froze and i waited for so long thinking it was a editing joke.... ..nope!

You are such a great explainer !!!! 👏👏👏

Real lovely video, thank you

i love how zoom has replaced skype in the public slang

@aphrog649

Жыл бұрын

it’s crazy how fast zoom replaced skype

@billyalarie929

Жыл бұрын

@@aphrog649 skype was never that good

@christopherlawley1842

Жыл бұрын

Skype did work over modem links. Dunne if Zoom would

Joe, watch The Expanse on Amazon! LITERALLY, Earth vs Mars vs the Asteroid colonists, ... vs terrorists, ..... vs aliens.

@kindlin

3 жыл бұрын

@jody dymun all of them!!

The folded paper analogy was used in Event Horizon a decade and a half earlier. Show some respect man.

@DFX2KX

3 жыл бұрын

that movie also came to mind. I found out it was a horror movie the hard way.

@phantomwalker8251

3 жыл бұрын

he,s young.

@TACOINSURANCE

3 жыл бұрын

Joe has to be older than I am [35].

@lonestarr1490

3 жыл бұрын

And even there they did this already being in space.

@larryroyovitz7829

3 жыл бұрын

Joe just wanted an opportunity to point out that the astronauts in the movie were talking about worm holes after they were on their way. You'd think that would be topic #1 in training back on earth.

Thanks for making Learning fun.

Long answer "Nooooooooooo!" Love it.

“You said goodbye to everyone for good”. Indeed, when our family came to Canada from the Netherlands in 1951, it was certainly with the understanding that it was “Goodbye”, forever. It wasn’t until years later that my parents were able to afford to go back for a visit, one at a time, because the price of air travel had dropped enough.

@aitor.online

3 жыл бұрын

didnt the netherlands already have phones in the 50s?

@garrysmith1029

2 жыл бұрын

@@aitor.online international calling was expensive back then

@aitor.online

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrysmith1029 more pricey than flying??

Amazing information.

One of my favorite details in the expanse books is how long communication is in space, and how slow light actually is over big distances.

My connection here is literally 5 Mbps, I beat the mars one but not by a whole lot..

@debbymiressa8525

3 жыл бұрын

mine is 2Mbps

@abdulwahab5994

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is hopefully HOPEFULLY that is when the network signal is strong around 1.5mbps

@LeonardoNicolasNiqqo258

3 жыл бұрын

Jokes on you, mine is 3.5Mbps

@MindinViolet

3 жыл бұрын

I used to be on 3Mbps, now I am enjoying the giddying highs of 10Mbps.

@CapinCooke

3 жыл бұрын

Just speed checked mine. I am 100% cellular. 4G-LTE. Whole house runs on cellular data. TVs. Internet. Security cameras. Etc... 100+ Mbps D. L. 10 + Mbps U. L. All hail Verizon 4G LTE 😂 And 5G is supposed to be faster? WoW!

Great video. I hope we can make Zoom calls *in 5 billion years* when the Earth and Mars are about to collide.

@Rain593

3 жыл бұрын

All the inner planets would be engulfed by the sun by that point

@CaraesNaur

3 жыл бұрын

Mars: Hey, Earth... have you noticed the Sun going supernova? Earth: [is gone]

@haroldinho9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rain593 No it’ll be in 7 billioN

@unocoltrane2804

3 жыл бұрын

The sun doesn’t have enough mass to go supernova. It will become a red giant and constantly lose mass as it expands, eventually resulting in a planetary nebula.

@k1dicarus

3 жыл бұрын

@@unocoltrane2804 It doesn't even matter if it expands to earths orbit, the suns energy output will constantly increase and ina few 100 million years it'll be too hot for live on earth.

This boggled my brain! What a fun thought I never had before watching this video. I can't wait to see how we adapt to these overcome these challenges?

Funny and fascinating, plus consistent moments of empathy for those on the crap end of historical power dynamics. Glad I subscribed. 😍

This is just like the scenario from The Expanse.

"friendly natives" - I think you said "post-apocalyptic survivors" wrong

@antiisocial

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you're not wrong. Sadly.

Joe's space episodes are the icing on the cake for his channel, just superb.

"shoot some film.. dig a little dirt..., play some golf..., get down tonight, get down tonight". Don't know why that popped in my head when you were saying this.

That Mars Attacks! reference, lol.

"Only with no natives to wipe out." No natives...that we know of!!! [insert dramatic music]

@filyn

3 жыл бұрын

ba dum tss

@stevenfeagley3227

3 жыл бұрын

Ain't that so very true!! We don't even know if there's life yet microbabrel or not.

@polychoron

3 жыл бұрын

@KZread, please enable landscape oriented comments. Due to my cracked screen, I can't tell for sure if @Steven Feagley said "microbabrel" or not.

@noori2105

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenfeagley3227 *microbabeivel

"turns people into werewolves" Moon: turning people into furries since ancient times.

Honestly I don't see the light lag to be much of an issue between a Mars Colony and Earth. After all, many societies have lived with longer communications delays and still stayed (relatively) cohesive. I mean to use America for example, it was the 'United States' for at least decades before functionally instant communications was in wide spread use. Even in my country, the UK, which is tiny in comparison to the USA had to deal with days or weeks of communication delay in just getting post, and it too has had a relatively stable existence for at least hundreds of years. Suffice it to say, basically any other country can boast the same. So a delay of less than an hour doesn't look like the back breaking straw to me. What would be the straw though, you've already mentioned. The simple fact that living on Mars will be so different to living here on Earth would almost certainly create the sorts of social pressures that would cause Martians to eventually want some form of independence.

@jamesbonn2394

3 жыл бұрын

the united states never fully settled its land mass until the last century or so. Also its no where near cohesive. Some areas attempted to leave the union every few years. Have you ever stood A midwesterner, a new yorker, A texan and a Michigander in a line? it would be five minutes before a bloody brawl broke out. We don't even speak the same dialect in any of these places. edit:typo

@LewisUpperton

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbonn2394 That's why I added the 'relatively' there, and why I only said the United States was the 'United' States 'a few decades' before functionally instant communications (aka telephones) were in widespread use. My point really was that the USA was a country, with a centralised government before instant communications were easy. If you want to, though, a lot of individual states are larger than some countries, and those too existed, more or less cohesively before instant communications were possible.

@dinoschachten

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Plus 44 minutes is not that long to wait for a text message reply, I have lots of friends that I write with about once a day, sometimes they reply next day. But we should consider that *we* on Earth now have instantaneous communication with each other as well as internet access while they don't take part in that with us. I think that's kind of what Joe might be referring to. But still: Just be aware that your Martian friends are a bit more 90s. I don't think it's going to be a huge deal, especially given that I think once they've established a proper settlement that is more permanent than say the ISS in terms of dependancies etc., they will have a strong motivation to come up with some form of internet access, creating their own network and content and probably agreeing on what data they want to sync from Earths servers. Also they might take a lot of entertainment with them which admittedly is a few years old by the time they consume it, but except for live events and live streams, most of our entertainment doesn't happen in real-time, either.

@jamesbonn2394

3 жыл бұрын

Who calls anyone anymore anyway?

Humans sometimes take days to reply to a simple text or email, so I think it's safe to say the communication delay will be irrelevant for a lot of people. Obviously it's a bad scenario for emergency situations though.

@mrcryptozoic817

Жыл бұрын

Emergency situations? All we can give in an emergency is "helpful advice" in the best bad situation. Any other and we're sending a party to pick up the mummies. They'll arrive in 6 months to a year. At least the dehydrated bodies won't weigh much.

I remember when I had Joe’s entire library that I haven’t seen. Now when these pop up I my feed I am very excited. Thanks Joe!

Great video. Hope you get 1 mil subs soon. Keep it up.

Man this is cool, so much to be amazed by

And then there's the mad scientists and trying to send emojis through the hell portals....

So, Mars. I take it the "dumping tea in the harbor" thing is out, then.

@polychoron

3 жыл бұрын

We could burn the tea.

@MattOGormanSmith

3 жыл бұрын

It depends how good the Martian coffee is.

@davidanderson_surrey_bc

3 жыл бұрын

First they'd have to dredge themselves a harbour. Although the Valles Marinaris would make a very good alternative.

@davidanderson_surrey_bc

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattOGormanSmith Hey, that's actually not a bad idea. If they can construct appropriate greenhouses, then maybe the lesser Martian gravity could produce a very interesting coffee blend. Or the same goes with other crops. Just being able to offer your Earthside dinner guests some genuine Martian agricultural products would be a real social upper.

@kellyjackson7889

3 жыл бұрын

Well unless Mars leaders has orange hair...

This is so valid!

The short answer. . . No. The long answer. . . . 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Joe you freaking crack me up!!!

Excellent video. The trip to and landing on Mars will be just about the biggest experience any human could have. But then life on Mars will be tough, it’ll suck. No one should ever go to stay permanently (until possibly large colonies or cities exist). All visitors to Mars will never again take for granted the ability to walk outside and breathe the air, look at the sky without a skylight, walk barefoot in the grass, sit under a tree for shade, or simply look at all the life nature offers. I would absolutely go to the moon for a week or so, but not a 2.5 year trip to Mars. I can’t wait till the first humans go to Mars!

@robinsmith8846

3 жыл бұрын

Lol you are not going but cannot wait for otjers to go? Yep..me too!!-!

"...no natives to wipe out." *That we KNOW OF.

@coltonbates629

3 жыл бұрын

right? what if they're just good at hiding

@Dragrath1

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sadly it is an all to real possibility that we find out their had been microbes surviving on Mars eking out an existence on their dead world and then we fing kill them with a combination of all our Earth germs and particularly due to us stealing their water. There is after all interesting atmospheric disequilibrium phenomenon on Mars like produced by life on Earth a characteristic only shared with Venus plus with a much lower degree of confidence Titan and interestingly Neptune(but not Jupiter, Saturn or Uranus as far as we know) Given the ice shell worlds of interest lack atmospheres this is every generally considered possibly inhabited worlds. Neptune at least has the life candidate moon Triton constantly erupting material into its atmosphere which could account for that signal if Triton is inhabited (plus given billions of years and the existence of Neptune's "bottomless" mostly water ocean, with stuff like ammonia methane and hydrogen sulfide mixed in it, it is possible for secondary colonization if life as we know it formed on Triton. ) Welp got distracted again point is I'm worried Musks rush to Mars is going to sabotage our chances of looking for and if it exists studying and preserving any Martian microbes.

@doubleheadedeagle6769

3 жыл бұрын

If it’s a microbe then it’s had billions of years to evolve. Screw them. They had their chance. Evolve or die.

@Dragrath1

3 жыл бұрын

@@doubleheadedeagle6769 Yeah because life on Earth immediately evolved to complexity under sustained fairly stable conditions... >_> Mars's hospitable eon lasted maybe a billion years at best while life on Earth took more than a billion years to evolve oxygen based metabolism and then roughly two bursts of multicellular organisms separated by well over a billion years (closer to 1.5 billion years of separation) between the Francevilian biota 2.1 Ga to Ediacaran biota(635-542) www.manospondylus.com/2020/03/solved-and-unsolved-fossil-enigmas-part_13.html Evolution of life on Earth especially on long timescales largely comes down to chance consequences. For instance the disappearance of the alluded Francevillian biota while poorly constrained does fairly closely fit with the timing of the Vredefort impact structure which is the largest surviving impact structure we can positively identify which impacted into the outlet of a river delta into a shallow bay like environment surrounding the impact structure that environment ironically only was preserved because of the impact burying it deep underground. Either way this impact basin indicates the impactor was significantly bigger than the Chicxulub impact For reference the Chicxulub impact is the third largest impact preserved on Earth. Sudbury was the second largest which some researchers tracing elemental anomalies in the structure suggest it was probably a comet unlike the other two but I don't believe this has ever been confirmed) Fun fact if adding up all the known impacts and extrapolating current micrometeorite rates back in time(a bit hard given that we now know these rates are episodic rising and waning from celestial events within our solar system) but under those criteria these big 3 impacts account for 90% of the identifiable material to strike the Earth. Point is this was a BIG impact less than a hundred million years after the diversification of the Francevillian biota it would have had significant effects potentially wiping out a 1.5 billion year head start of multicellular life on Earth. The fossil record says we should treat every life form as precious as you never know who or what will rise to the top and diversify.

@doubleheadedeagle6769

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dragrath1 Tell you what, honestly I don’t give a shit personally, but if we find an earth like planet out there some day , do you really think anyone will care about the potential in a few microbes? I bet they won’t.

Honestly, Mars should have it's own Internet, a massive array of proxy servers and secondary servers synchronizing with the Earth's Internet constantly. As for streaming over half a megabit, you can still watch Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ over it. Communication between Earth and Mars actually shouldn't be that difficult. It would take a bit of engineering but anyone that has had to synchronize remote businesses with the main office over Internet of varying quality has dealt with this. Honestly I'd love to be involved in that job. That just sounds like fun.

Great video

200 years ago: "why you will never send and receive messages from england without waiting half a year"

@totalermist

3 жыл бұрын

Except that England and America are on the same planet and no known laws of nature needed to be broken to change this.

@theairaccumulator7144

3 жыл бұрын

@@totalermist it's true but you kinda got wooshed

@peterj-s6421

3 жыл бұрын

This. They'll eventually find a way to do the impossible. With the exponential rate of technological improvement over the past 300 years, we will figure it out pretty damn soon.

@jermynwilliams7084

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterj-s6421 I totally agree with you, I would say about the next 30 years or so we will have that technology

@thulyblu5486

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterj-s6421 Yes, we will do the impossible with technology: dividing-by-zero generators, 2+2=22 machines, true=false logic circuits and arriving-before-you-push-the-start-button travel the last one also known as FTL/faster than light (remember that light speed is infinite from the perspective of the traveler, it only takes time from the perspective of the onlooker - time is relative)

I have a right to go wherever I want without wearing a stupid helmet. My body, my rights. *gasp* *blurgle* *arghhhh*

@AgingsAProblemFPS

3 жыл бұрын

good one

@debralucas2224

3 жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣👍

@alastairbrand5821

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@noxabellus

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man I needed this joke thank you so much

@peterdambier

3 жыл бұрын

That is actually why I want to go to Mars. Thousands will byte into red sand but imagine those few who survive . In Germany we ask ourselves what is harder, my head or the wall? I have been talking to those who survived. Imagine they all did - that is why I could talk to them in the first place. Same will happen on Mars.

More on the topic of Mars, please!

Nearly got that mill my friend. Well deserved Joe!!

Joe: ...between .5 and 4 Mbps Me: That's actually.. impressive?

@gtPacheko

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I used 1Mbps for years. I have 100 now, but .5 to 4 isn't that bad.

@Mr2winners

3 жыл бұрын

Thats my home internet wifi speed . It can stream netflix!

@nobodyishere

3 жыл бұрын

.03 is what I'm at😂 yet I watch KZread at 480p

@andremattsson

3 жыл бұрын

@@gtPacheko I had 100 Mbps 10 years ago...

@petersilva037

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, weirdly it´s actually >10x faster than the modem sounds accompanying it would give... like. 0.03 Mbps (28.8 kbaud.) ...

It will be "The Expanse" played out in real time. If/when there is Mars Colonization, they will be a different people in 50-100 years time and they certainly would want their own autonomy.

@viorp5267

3 жыл бұрын

That's why we can't let them have nukes.

@andrasbiro3007

3 жыл бұрын

Currently the idea is that Mars will be independent from the start. Since a private company (SpaceX) will colonize it, not a nation, and nobody thinks the existing governments are any good. Then of course the US can find an excuse to "export democracy", and Mars won't be able do defend itself. Especially when for the first 50-100 years it will need supplies from Earth to survive.

@totalermist

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrasbiro3007 Space Force was founded for a reason. It's the ones with the biggest guns who are calling the shots and there's little a group of colonists can do if the Pentagon decides to drop a few squads of literal space marines on their butts...

@Freak80MC

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly this is why we need to get a system in place for peacefully letting space colonies ease into having their own autonomy and eventually becoming their own nations. Because if not, it will be the revolutionary war all over again, and people won't have learned from history whatsoever. The issues that led to that war were due to distance and communication delay leading to wanting your own autonomy from a big government that was culturally so different from your own, and couldn't understand you from that far across the ocean, to the point where it was better to govern yourself, all issues that will play out again in space.

@k1dicarus

3 жыл бұрын

@@totalermist Jeah totally. Like the squads that where dropped on the research stations on Antarctica. Someones gotta show them whos BOSS. MURICA

Omfg a reference to mystery men🖤🖤 that’s amazing. I thought not many people knew about that movie lol

Thanks

Nah. Just send robots and such. We can live on giant spinning space stations. Mars sucks. Robots got the Mars exploration covered.

@N0lan83

3 жыл бұрын

Nah not really. An Astronaut with a shovel and a microscope can do more in one day than all rovers have done in 30 years

@Kolan_Koala

3 жыл бұрын

Dusty cold radioactive shithole.

@larryroyovitz7829

3 жыл бұрын

I've also heard that Martians are dicks.

@pegleg2959

3 жыл бұрын

@@N0lan83 and what is it that needs to be done so quickly?

@N0lan83

3 жыл бұрын

@@pegleg2959 Answer fundamental questions about the origins of life and the roots of our existence.

The progress bar on the bottom of the screen was brilliant! It really drove home the time frame a signal takes to travel from Earth to Mars.

@40watt53

3 жыл бұрын

So THAT'S what it is.

@davidanderson_surrey_bc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning that. I didn't even notice it until about the halfway mark.

That glove analogy is the best description of quantum entanglement I’ve heard! I finally have a bare minimum understanding of it lol

This is basically like BBS/FidoNET of the days before Internet. Dial into a BBS with a modem, download your messages/news in a packet, disconnect, read them, compose your own responses and put into a package, connect to the BBS and upload your package for later distribution to other participating BBSes.

I love the topics brought up in this video. Especially with the Mars colony wanting independence. If anybody has seen the Series 'The Expanse' it deals with this exact conundrum. Even going as far as the miners of asteroids called "belters"

Could you do an episode showing all the stuff you've got in the background?

@MreenalMams

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please..

during a rewatch i remembered the series MARS on national geographic and it showed some of the communication issues discussed

the thing with curiosity and the reconnaissance orbiter is absolutely an anecdote you'd find in 20021

The glove analogy actually improved my understanding of quantum entanglement so much! Thank you, Joe!

@MreenalMams

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@chrismsmalley2626

3 жыл бұрын

And still the gloves in the boxes isnt correct . Only the receiver of the one box knows the outcome , he has the right glove and presumes the second box has the left glove ? The sender knows nothing until the second box is opened and he sees for himself that his box holds the left or right . What if the receiver lies about which glove he has received ? The sender would be forced to assume his box holds the opposite of what the rec' said ? Correct ? Then opening the box and verifying it holds a left or a right glove ? Hugely different than quantum entanglement of atoms or protons or whatever . Only by measuring it do you know for a fact that it is Up or Down spinning ? You dont even have to look because a 50/50 guess is just as accurate . What if box 1 held the atoms that make up a right glove and on the quantum level it can also be atoms for a left glove ? Will box 2 hold the opposite of whatever box 1 is observed to be when opened ? You can't know...ya know ?

7:45 Half the world's population doesn't have to imagine, Joe

Joe, you're a goofball, and you make your videos fun.

That glove-pair is a pretty darn good analogy.

Be real people in comparison here on earth: Worst case scenario it’s texting with a friend who lives on the other side of planet (12 hours delay). Best case scenario it’s texting a friend who rarely checks his phone

@irvingchies1626

3 жыл бұрын

I text with someone in russia who literally lives in a city which is forwarded 12 hours on the clock

@esquilax5563

3 жыл бұрын

Being in a different time zone isn't delay. You can still set up a call with no noticeable delay, you just have to be a bit more careful about the time

@meneeRubieko

3 жыл бұрын

Esquilax you absolute genius, didd’t think of that

@meneeRubieko

3 жыл бұрын

Irving Chies me as well with someone in australia 9 hours difference, just texting once a day not expecting a reply instantly

Mars to Mars zoom calls though, would be fine.

@MreenalMams

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that's nice.. will we be able tp share screen too..?

@kushmandey6880

3 жыл бұрын

So no online classes. Sounds cool to me.

Even though people don't like or talk about the game, I love RTX Red Rock for this very reason because in it, EZ Wheeler was on Phobos Station and when he had contact with the Colony Officer in the Communication Room, the live video recording was kind of clear but it was bad quality with those lines all over which in a couple of seconds, it did have some static show up as her voice was messed up in it then on Mars, the General sent messages for updating our protagonist but not instant ones and everytime he spoke, it was clear but not a long video and in one later in the game, he said what time the soldiers were going to arrive from Earth which was pretty accurate because it doesn't take a day.

Battletech had an interesting concept for this, in universe these transmitters were called Hyper Pulse Generator (or HPG) Katrina Steiner had a massive number of them constructed so that she could communicate with the Federated Commonwealth (The Largest "nation" in the Inner Sphere) with only milliseconds delay. Of course the signals are sent faster than light so again physics breaking as of our current understanding. The idea isn't unsound though it's a matter of finding a way for it to actually be possible and if it ever is the people who come after us will wonder why we "Didn't just do it that way in the first place, it's so simple."

Okay, you have got to start watching The Expanse. If you're watching this odds are you already do, but I assure you, you'd love it.

@alfredtomey

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, yeah!

@brandonr.2807

3 жыл бұрын

Came to say this.

And like everybody else, I can't believe he didn't even mention The Expanse.

@freeculture

3 жыл бұрын

That thing gets weird pretty fast, when it goes interstellar... In reality Mars would depend on Earth at first for a good while perhaps a century or more, and they would be very weak and small to even think about armed conflict with mother Earth. The logical thing is to pacifically allow them to develop their own sovereign "country". Not sure how well would that works but it would be centuries in the future. According to the UN nothing in space can be claimed by any nation, but this is unrealistic. The asteroid belt might be a source of resources, but its more valuable right there in space rather than on Earth. I think some vanity stuff like gold could be brought, which would collapse its price on the markets, so... kinda pointless.

@dionemoolman

3 жыл бұрын

@@freeculture In the series the Martians are an Earth colony for over 200 years before they gain independence.

@waynegnarlie1

3 жыл бұрын

Everybody always seems to miss the Expanse. It's the most realistic. deep, evocative, relevant to our near term colonization of the solar system series ever made. The factions featured, with twists, represent all of us today. With awesome characters and story! You can watch first 4 seasons free on Amazon Prime, a little gift from Jeff Bezos - who is a huge Star Trek fan. Seasons 5 and 6 coming.

@EksaStelmere

3 жыл бұрын

@@freeculture To give credit, Mars in the Expanse was Earth's pet until the Epstein Drive.

@washcloud

3 жыл бұрын

@@freeculture ...in general, claiming that Mars' colonies will some day go independent, seems analogous to Antarctica scientists going independent too. Unless Mars is "terraformed", Martian colonies will be dependent as hell to Earth. And accomplishing such feat (terraforming a whole planet), will probably take THOUSANDS of years - if it will ever get done at all. In other words, no worries, Martian colonies' rebellions is the last thing that we should be concerned about.

My husband and I would jump at thr chance to colonize Mars. We are old, but we have marketable skills; I'm a civil engineer with expansive (get the joke?) Knowledge of hydraulics and hydrology and he's was a cop, court administrator etc). I love watching your channel. I wish I had known you when I was in Texas.

11:28 i think i saw some on sale at walmart the other day.

Spooky action at a distance pretty much describes my romantic life.

@scragglybeard9322

3 жыл бұрын

Creeping action at a distance... Sorry just a joke :D

@macklinillustration

3 жыл бұрын

Please have this 🏆 for winning Internet comment of the day.

@sk0.0t3r

3 жыл бұрын

Just made my morning. Thank you.

Having 2 different internets sounds also interesting. Big companies and social media would have 2 versions of their sites. You can connect to the other planets internet if you want but the loading times are just unbearable.

Hey Joe, First of all i want to say i love your video's. I'm an electronical Engering student from the Netherlands. I think the reason why i'm drawn to you channel and content is because you always try to tell both side of the story and are willing to lissen to both sides. Something that is being challenged now with social media platforms designed to show people what they wanna see. But lets not get to much into that now. Luckily i have highly educated friends who respect other opinions and love to argue and debat about stuff (even when they don't support the position they are defending just for the sport of it). Just a year ago we had a debate about on vaccinating your children and if you could force that or if you can Denie them for certain schools and stuff (there was lots of alcohol and it was more for the sport of debating and getting under each others skins). So everybody was pro vaccine based on knowledge we believed we had. Me and my friends are recently debating on whether we would take to vaccine for covid. The issue i and most of my friends have is the procedure. What did they change to go 5x quicker then usual and were there politics involved. In this time, especially with the US elections there is a lot of contradicting stories going around. Its hard to find a good non politically influenced video about this. Also because lots of doctors and health instances have spoken out on governments and wrong information. This debat will pick up world wide within the next 2 months (it already has here in the Netherlands). And this is the moment to make a difference. Not by pushing people to one side but to get the baseline and facts straight from both sides. To make people agree on the facts and different concerns fist, before we start arguing about the statements. I know you not a specialist and you can not give advice. But you could hear both side out and try to find the common ground as well as make them hear each other. So i challenge you to make a video about the prosses differences between normal vaccines and now without political arguments and showing both sides of the coin. If you want some starting questions and concerns feel free to contact me and i will ask around in my community (i also have friends who don't vaccinate at all so that could be intrestring). Well Good luck and keep up the good work.

Love the subtle use of a moving illustration of the connection between Earth and Mars. Very creative. Never noticed it on the bottom until it was a quarter of the line. Also, would it be considered or suggested that if quantum machine learning is fully established then the communication between Mars and Earth would be better? As example with the binary concept in the video? Was not clear.

@billyalarie929

Жыл бұрын

haahhahahhahaha FUCK i had to go back to look and holy shit you're right