Hate to be such a dick but 5:25 due to lack of clarity I do not know if you mean directional based bump combat or regenerating health on grass was implemented first in Ys. Not a bump combat master so I cannot comment on bump combat implementation but healing on grass was used in Hydlide in '84 which was a huge hit in the Japanese computer scene. Due to my ignorance of early eighties PC engine games, I do not know sitting on grass was a mechanic before Hydlide; ala dragon slayer etc.

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

Seems my sources were inaccurate on who did it first. Further research does indicate Hydlide was the first to do it. Thanks for letting me know.

@nmpltleopardi

3 жыл бұрын

What a informed and gentleman like comment. Will look into the game you mentioned. So great to see this sort of display on the comments section for a change! :)

@thenoodlehunter6828

2 жыл бұрын

Bump combat was too hard for me. I'm too use to just tapping a button to attack. I played the game on the easiest mode and couldn't even get pass the first monster, let alone the first boss. Kudos to those who can play it so well haha

@Kildaer

2 жыл бұрын

@@thenoodlehunter6828 First boss is a doozy just grind up one level more then you came into the fight with and you will find it gets a lot easier. Guides will tell you what level you should be at, if you are having trouble. Due to the level scaling the fight while one of the harder ones can be really easy if over leveled and it is easy enough to grind to that point. Just push yourself with the fight and you won't experience another difficulty spike until you run into YOGLEKS & OMULGUN who made me go numb with frustration on Nightmare mode. Part of the appeal (of high level Ys play) is the immense satisfaction upon beating a boss you have been working on for over an hour. I you don't feel that emotional high, don't bother doing hard/nightmare runs.

@guillermogon13

6 ай бұрын

🎉🎉

Just Finished Ys Origin and wanted to see other peoples thoughts on Ys 1 and 2 before I started playing them. I'd played Ys 6 as a kid, and eventually got reintroduced to the series with Ys 8. This series is criminally underrated, and I'm excited to see what the originals have compared to some of the more recent titles. Great video btw :)

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks legendsmith. I've definitely enjoyed getting into the series, and I still have games like Ys 8 to look forward to.

Enjoyed the video but a heads up - The 1st appearance for the game in the west was Ys I on the Sega Master System, then Ys Book I & II on the Turbografx-16 in 1989. I point this out because alot of folks will argue the TG-16 version is the definitive version - it certainly was for me growing up, and the music from that version is still the best.

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you pointed that out, for a game with that much history details sometimes slip past me. Especially for systems that came out before I was born.

@VBshredder

4 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio Completely understood! Just glad to see people such as yourself giving them the attention they deserve, great job!

"It's not the deepest story" I'd say that's selling the two games short :D For how short they are, the world building alone is incredibly dense here (actually made even better in hindsight, if you played other games, especially Origins). What makes these stories so fascinating is the whole in-universe mythology behind it all. Where mundane stuff like metal ore (the Cleria Ore) or fruit (The Rhoda Fruit) actually have quite a chunk of lore behind them. It's just not presented with bells and whistles and hours of exposition. Much like the Bump combat system, it's straight to the point, simple yet effective and without many detours. Anyways, fantastic video! Great choice of footage, depicting different versions of the game, the narration was on point, really enjoyed it :D

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Maverick! When I say it's not the deepest story I definitely don't mean to disparage the story, which is tightly written and shown (a trait some modern games epicly fail at). As you said the game, out of necessity for the limitations of the time, is very straight to the point.

@wolfwing1

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio it was something was thinking about on a topic I saw, is gameplay or story more important. And i've had the feeling that some games like FFIV wouldn't be as sucessful story wise now , along with many others as we've had 30ish years of games so what was once groundbreaking, is cliche :> though it's still important in ow they are told. Been wanting to get into this series now that I know I can play all IX with only having to emulate V I think it's time to play through the series, was going to buy chronicles today but curoous on peoples thoughts. Only played the turbo graphics 16 version in a store so know little about the game itself hehe.

9:25 Listening to videos/people who were making plans for early 2020 makes me say "Oh my sweet summer child". Thanks for the great video!

Just finished Sky 3 recently and waiting on Trails from Zero's release, so I'm finally looking to finally get into the YS series. Beat Origins and I've been hooked. Now time to dig into 1 & 2. Your video was perfect intro into the main part of the series.

@CommRio

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help, and happy you've also been having a good time with Trails.

Thank you for the video. It helps me solidify my choice in sticking with Ys and trying to play these games to completion.

@CommRio

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help

@sugoiuseismoeabuse4058

Жыл бұрын

@@CommRio Finally got to beating the first two bosses. Gods I forgot how old games can kick one's butt.

Just in case somebody couldn't get into these games, the DS ports use a more standard fighting system with an attack button and even solve the problem of not knowing how to advance by having what your current objective written. It doesn't literally just tell you what and how to do it like handholding, but it just says what the current objective is like in a single line of text, so you don't get lost.

Great review, cant believe this doesnt have more views but maybe its more to do with the game not being thaaaaat well known. Anyway, I've never played any Ys game, but you've convinced me to start!

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck!

I'm pleasantly surprised how much fun Ys I and II are. The bump combat is really engaging despite being so simple.

what made this game series fun to me is the difficulty. playing on nightmare requires extreme skill and patience but feels so rewarding and second would be the deep lore and interesting unique storyline and flow of the games

Great video will definitely start this game after I finish ys origin.

My god that port/remake history was an adventure on its own 😲

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

It's not even comprehensive

Great video and well produced/constructed. I hope to see more content from you. Cheers.

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Will!

@fandrinoah400

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio sir please share how to make food and drink recipes in this game please

The best port for Ys 1 & 2 is the turbo graffix CD. Ys IV Dawn of Ys builds on it even more. Falcom ultimately decided to go with the Vita memories of Celceta which is a great remake in my opinion.

@joeb2588

2 жыл бұрын

If you think that was good, look up the sega saturn version. For ys 1. It's amazing.

I remember when I played these games on Sega Master system it took much more than five and eight hours so I feel like the later versions upgraded graphics and sound quality but did something to the game to make it easier. Either that or I had already played it and so I kind of knew where to go and what to do. Anyway that would be another reason that I suggest to play this game, because the soundtrack for this game is amazing it's still one of my favorites after all these decades. And in fact you picked tender people music piece which is one of my favorites of the soundtrack as well.

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

I picked Tender People because it is one of my favorites as well

I recently played through Ys VIII and had an absolute blast. I've always wondered about the earlier games, and at one point I think I tried playing Oath in Felghana or Memories of Celceta on the Steam port, but it didn't grab me in quite the same way VIII did.

@redcrimson1028

3 жыл бұрын

Thats becsuse the newer gameplay and visuals spoiled u. The old games are really great and i think in a lot of ways a lot more fun and has a higher replay value. I started out playing thr older top and sideview games so i can appreciate the older games more so than the new one. I think the last good ys game was ys seven on psp.

@DSan-kl2yc

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I'm playing oath now and it's frustrating compared to even origins. And the Ys 1 and 2 are totally different. Different engine, everything is different. It depends on why you like the new games. I tried a little bit of celceta first before trying Ys 1. And Ys 1 captivated me much more. I put celceta aside to play in a more chronological order but Ys 1 and 2 really grabbed me, it justified my decision and made it easy. In some ways the newer one(4/celceta) is somewhat more typical, a bit more filler filled. But it has some uniqueness like the massive overworld, and exploring that. I haven't played 8. I think Ys 1 and 2 are great games, and together it's a meaty game. So I think it's worth trying. So it depends why you want to play. Oath is frustrating, Ys 1 especially has more lenient aspects. Y2 kinda does too (but less, halfway through there's less healing areas for some stretches, and the healing cloak is well hidden. Only an enemy tells you about it and not very much). If what you liked in later games is all the talking, then no. But Ys origins, 1, and 2 build on each other to have a very mythic kinda story. It's classical. But they all build. Especially origins, which does have a lot of talking. Ys 1 is like a mystery and learning about everything. The dialogue can be funny from NPCs. And later you can talk to every demon in the game. And there's more dialogue in 2 as well.

@thequincy_

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, while I adore every Ys entry, very much including VIII, III (Felghana) and and especially IV (Celceta) are even more stunning in certain respects. IV for example has one of the best soundtracks in the series.

Great video! I liked that you were able to balance both "was this game good back in its day?" and "if you've got no nostalgia, is this game worth your time today?". A game can be both interesting to learn about and significant historically without necessarily being worth playing today. I enjoyed this video because I felt you did a good job of separating those topics and answering them properly.

@CommRio

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I did try to strike that balance, and I'm glad to hear that it came through. I'm glad I was convinced to start with these games.

Ys origins was my first. I loved it!! Gonna start 1 soom

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck! I do wonder what it's like to play Origin before 1 and 2.

@miniclip13sa

3 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio Well, I basically got to see how the Twin Goddesses became frozen, which is cool.

I don't know if maybe I missed it but I didn't hear him mention the games being on the Turbo Grafx CD. That's where i was introduced to the series in the early 90's.

Ys 1 and 2 i enjoyed more than i thought i would. Bump system was interesting and had its fun. Playing Origins right now and man, im over here just pogging at characters that are ancestors of Ys1 and 2 characters lol

Ys I & II Chronicles are relevant today because of the upcoming Ys X: Nordics and its chronological setting.

What a wonderful series. I saved up all my birthday and Christmas money for years and bought the Turbografx 16 CD add-on and Y's 1 and 2 shortly after that. After booting up the game hearing the soundtrack was absolutely wonderful and hearing voice acting in the cut scenes blew me away. Such a great game. Another series that is awesome back then was Lunar the silver star but that's for different day.

@ddaodao9332

Жыл бұрын

I still remember paying $400 for cd upgrade.😅

I managed to grab an Oath in Felghana copy for psp but damn are these games expensive in Europe, Chronicles especially. I could play their digital release but I’m a sucker for physical copies

I've just finished both games and it was a cool experience, bump system was really something cool to learn, atmosphere is cute and touching (and some really cool game mechanics, like transforming and talking to demons in Ys 2). That being said, I also had to check some walkthrough at some points because some stuff was just really obscure... (also FUCK SOLOMON SHRINE, FUCK THIS PLACE IN PARTICULAR, if there's something I don't miss from old games it's really that maze like layout that doesn't make any sense holy shit lol) Another cool thing about the soundtrack is that you can also choose between which version to listen, that was a nice touch and I really looped through the 3 versions constantly.

I bought almost all ys games during this steam sale and i did played ys 1 a little but yeah the bump controls are quite difficult to get used to. The enemy's were one shot killing me during the little i've played but i gotta be honest the soundtrack is bangers just as always and it has thatnold school charm to it. I'll be playing it after im done with ys 8, maybe I'll crank down the difficulty to normal but yeah definitely finishing it.

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you gotta finesse and figure out the right angles for combat but it takes some getting used to. Definitely recommend going normal until you figure that part out

I recently got into the Ys series and I decided to play The Oath in Felghana , a remake and expansion of Ys III, however, I didn't play too much before I realised I should play the first two entries in the saga first, so I decided to go back and get Ys Chronicles+ and I am absolutely loving the games, I have already completed the first Ys and I am going to play Ys II now. These series are a masterpiece, and like the web CommRio linked in the description says "A player can choose to enter the Ys series in any order, but this decision would ultimately lead to that person either liking the series or absolutely loving it."

My first JRPG game never looked back got this game on my Turbo Graphics 16 It was a chips looks like a card but this game was a CD which was sold separate Eventually i bought it i think it was $800 for the cd at that time awesome games - I got the Y's 1&2 it was 1 game then 3

I'm finally here! Making my way through Ys I and II! Bump combat is great, bosses are a highlight due to their bullet hell, geometry wars nature, but dungeons and progression are a little obtuse. I'm also using a guide. I'm just excited to be in literal actual Ys for the first time! Crazy how I only got here on my second to last Ys game. Only Origins to go after this!

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

Basically reverse chronological order, definitely a unique way to play them

@PewPew_McPewster

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio it's an esoteric path for sure, but right around three games in I decided I wanted to save Ys Origins to be my final Ys game in order to have a Napishtim engine game waiting for me at the finish line, and that dictated I & II be played then as well. My play order has been Oath > Seven > Celceta > Ark > VIII > IX > I & II and now Origins so although I saved the Ys saga for the last, I was still able to enjoy the gameplay evolution of this franchise while being able to catch most lore nuggets and callbacks as they came along.

I was watching a playthrough of Ys 1 for the story and it looked pretty fun. Will play Ys 2 instead of watching it

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy the second game!

The DS remakes are Japan-only, right? Great video by the way!

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

They are actually international, however they're pretty expensive to get now that they're out of print.

Don't forget YS 1 and Ys 2 are issued for MSX 2 in the 80's. And YS 3 was a platformgame for the MSX 2 . Great games of Falcom.

I'll get this one after I finish Ys 7. With the references to this game that other games in the series make, I probably should have started sooner!

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

Better late than never, but yeah expect a very different sort of game for this one compared to the rest of the games I know you've played.

This is the best version of the original Ys games. ❤

I didn't know you can charge attack fire ball until I watched this video LOL

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

I think I had to learn it from a guide, they really drop you in the deep end for these games.

Just beat them, now ill go for VI, great experience

@o.b.d.r.6225

4 жыл бұрын

Maazio how far you have to play to save your progres on ys 1 ?

@pedrobautista203

4 жыл бұрын

@@o.b.d.r.6225 you can save when you pause the game when you pick file

@o.b.d.r.6225

4 жыл бұрын

I guess I didn’t put enough attention , thanks for reply I’ll check that out again lol

@pedrobautista203

4 жыл бұрын

@@o.b.d.r.6225 No problem

For someone with no sense of direction, these games were a nightmare. Why is there no map?!

@CommRio

3 жыл бұрын

Even with the 2011 remake they wanted to keep the feel of the original older game, so you get the lack of map and other obtuse things.

@chilee5714

3 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio Yeah, I get it. It's a pretty good game overall. It's just that one issue that irks me. It's more of a me problem, than a problem with the game. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

@chilee5714

3 жыл бұрын

@@SSSclass8692 Haha. Yes. I'm glad to know I'm not alone.

Thumbs up for the dopamine rush

I want ys 1&2 to come out on Switch so bad!

turbo cd has english versions in the early 90's

is the psp version good

The psp version is good, but I don't know why I like the tbgrafx cd version more😅.

I feel like you skipped the TurboGrafx 16 and PC engine version

I started playing Chronicles on my Vita and while I'm enjoying 1 the Tower of Darm was just such a buzzkill.

My first experience with this series was # 8.

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

Ys VIII is my favorite, so a great start for you

@karlshaner2453

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommRio I love it, but my aging body and wrists can't handle it for very long. Would love to play others in the series that aren't so hard on my hands.

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

@@karlshaner2453 Ah that is a challenge, sadly I'm not sure if there's an Ys game I can think of that fits that

I think the real meat is figuring out what to do. And you'll do a disservice to yourself if you play this game with a guide. That said some things are bullshit. Some are bullshit and some are archaic bullshit. So only use a guide as a last resort... Look up how to get the free items in Ys 1, and at least be aware that the cloak of healing is in the ice ridge in 2. But it almost feels like a detective game and most of it is very doable without a guide. No wonder it took so little when he mentioned the playtime. For me the first game was like 9+ hours. And the second was somewhere like 12-14 or 15 hours. The way the story is told in the first game is like a mystery. Second game is about ending it, revelations, and assaulting the demons. By the end the demons are terrified of Adol. Definitely a game/games worth playing. Getting used to bump is strange at first. But once you understand it, it's awesome, really second nature. It's like someone has the attack button on turbo and it's automatic. You're jump is to aim adol correctly in the first one. In the second, you can go wild. Also tip if you haven't played. Until you get a sword from the first town to the second, don't bother even trying to fight. I actually did manage to kill some enemies without a sword but it's not worth it. A waste of time. You can get a free sword by talking to people and then going back to one of the three main NPCs in the first town but that might not be worth it either. I didn't know about it till after. If you wanna save money, do it. But you can also just go straight to the second town, dodging enemies. Edit: here's another tip... You can charge magic. I didn't know till the Zava fight. Other games have it but this game never mentioned it as far as I know.

Played Ys origins for 30 minutes and grabbed Ys 1 and 2 for 4$

Looks like the game runs way too fast, absolutely zooming through the world and combat lasts half a second?

@CommRio

Жыл бұрын

These first two games are inspired by arcade games so everything is very quick.

@Marc83Aus

Жыл бұрын

@@CommRio Thats true but comparing the newer versions to the original ones it runs stupidly fast, just teh walking speed is really high but it seems creatures are going down 2-3 times faster too

Worst games series ys1 and ys2

This was an excellent video. I highly recommend you check out HappyConsoleGamer’s coverage on this series.

@CommRio

2 жыл бұрын

I'm aware of his videos although I think I've only watched one or two of them