From Miners to AI, we just can't have nice things anymore.

@LaughingOrange

10 ай бұрын

At least this time they're not lying to our faces.

@SclletDEX

10 ай бұрын

ai is pretty cool@@LaughingOrange

@kadsic

10 ай бұрын

Atleast ai is useful lmao

@rusty1253

10 ай бұрын

​@@kadsicno its not

@rusty1253

10 ай бұрын

​@@kadsicif you have something to know about, google it

i swear to god every tech company went insane after 2020

@gfries4906

9 ай бұрын

they use ai when they barely even know how it works. theyre all piggybacking off of openai

@ArnoBach

9 ай бұрын

Please refrain from swearing to God. It is blaspheming.

@ThatOneGuyFromSchool

9 ай бұрын

​@@ArnoBach🧙‍♂️

@CommentinoCommentoni

9 ай бұрын

@@ArnoBachGod is made up. Complain to him about

@robertbeisert3315

9 ай бұрын

They didn't change much, but the venture capital market did. Now you are the infinite money exploit

And that's why you don't let a big company have a monopoly

@prayerjoseph9776

9 ай бұрын

😂 Nvidia has a monopoly?

@alfredoparam

9 ай бұрын

yeah on gpu no one buys other brands@@prayerjoseph9776

@noobgamerplaygame3382

9 ай бұрын

​@@prayerjoseph9776 well theres only 2 "big" gpus companies and 1 new "entry" for now. Amd and nvidia and intel for new entry and we all know which one have bigest share right now in market

@prayerjoseph9776

9 ай бұрын

@@noobgamerplaygame3382 Ok, so is that a monopoly? Plus if there are only a few people who are able to give us gpus shouldn't we appreciate them even more, imagine if only a few doctors were willing to treat cancer patients, wouldn't we be grateful to those doctors. Sometimes we take what we have for granted even when we know the other alternative is having nothing (or you know, actually doing better ourselves, making our own gpus in this case, more competition, right?).

@LmFao535

9 ай бұрын

​@@prayerjoseph9776he meant , if they are this bad rn , what would they do if they got a monopoly . So , you don't let a company have a monopoly

That's why we need more competition

@Creezusz

6 ай бұрын

Or abolish competition all together🫣

@godw1ll99

6 ай бұрын

@@Creezusz really tryna say monopoly is the answer, lol.

@Creezusz

6 ай бұрын

@@godw1ll99 No. I meant a planned economy in which the product is produced to fulfill needs and not the need for money of private businesses. That would be a rational solution to finally get this nonsense under control.

@godw1ll99

6 ай бұрын

@@Creezusz a plan in which only necessities would be taken care of. no one NEEDS a gpu. capitalism already produces everything people want and need and gives you multiple options to choose from to suit your needs/wants. NOTHING gets produced without the expectation of something in return and in modern times that something is money. doesnt matter if its a private entity, corporate entity or the government. it seems you arent considering more than one step deep in your proposed plan as to how it would all work in practice. you are essentially advocating for a monopoly because in your plan there would only be one provider. if you disagree then explain how there would be any purpose for multiple options/providers in your plan?

@Creezusz

6 ай бұрын

@@godw1ll99 No, I meant all needs. And people need GPUs. Capitalism, just as you said, produces only if there is money in return. So not for need but money. I'm not trying to build fantasies on how that might work. To even make that work, people need to agree on not needing the capitalists and state anymore because they themselves can plan and produce all they need and want. It wouldn't be a "monopoly" as the whole production isn't planned for private interest but collective interest. Not every computer needs a big GPU, for many reasons like size or energy usage and so on. So there is a need for different type of GPUs. A "monopoly" wouldn't be a problem as it only follows it job. Producing good GPUs. If it accomplishes that, we all can happily use them.

Fun fact: The green on Nvidia represents dollar bills

@dometheonlyone8936

9 ай бұрын

10x profit is crazy

@nixulescu9399

9 ай бұрын

even back in the day, they always did lol

@LmFao535

9 ай бұрын

​@@dometheonlyone8936nawww thats absurd . They should sue them at this point 💀

@dometheonlyone8936

9 ай бұрын

@@LmFao535 funfact: only public goods and services are limited on profit margin a private property doesn't have a limits The public goods like grocery heath insurance are essential GPU and video games are not But for us gamers it is 😥 They can be sue for monopoly but the law has a lot of loophold

@chrisproost7290

8 ай бұрын

And the red on AMD is the literal blood cost Nvidia will have when AMD are forced out of contention past the mid range next gen due to lack of recognition and support so far failing to pay their R&D hole and fab procurement for the RDNA 2 and 3 comeback. The blue for Intel will be everybody's mood when they realise that Battlemage will be in the same boat and there is no good alternative to Nvidia past the baseline native 1440p/60 level. There's also a brown shade in there somewhere. That's for the increasingly shitty devs that think optimisation is simply you upgrading your specs a year after the last time. Or mandatory upscaling. Or both, why not? Anyway, just watch those 5090's roll out with 2+ grand reference MSRP. Even (and especially) if there's no other competition within 3 tiers of it. Since 2021 at least it always gets worse before it... well, ends up much the same actually.

I think NVIDIA is gonna make the price even higher for these gpus, cuz AI companies are gonna buy it anyways. 😅

@cosmicfusiontm7539

10 ай бұрын

Or AI companies buy the gaming gpus And 2024 gpu shortage

@ImCacto890

10 ай бұрын

Yeah so us "Budget Ballers" are not looking good for 2024.

@bencetoth9195

10 ай бұрын

True tho 😂

@bencetoth9195

10 ай бұрын

We are all gonna buy AMD gpus

@quint2568

10 ай бұрын

Well duh. Maximize the profit because they going to pay

If only ROCM was on the same level as CUDA then i’d have no complaints about my AMD GPU

@n9s3nse10

7 ай бұрын

What's the actual difference tho?

@rbStig

7 ай бұрын

@@n9s3nse10 developers don't use ROCM, like at all. This issue is mainly caused by it barely working and the lack of documentation. Nvidia put a lot of money into the research of AI technologies and their CUDA project, unlike AMD didnt. It makes sense.

@richardmillhousenixon

15 күн бұрын

​@@rbStig ROCm works great, tf you on about lol. Devs don't support it because most people don't have AMD cards, not because its bad. Its a cycle. Devs don't support it because ir is less common, which drives consumers to not choose it because the devs dont support it, which causes the devs to not support it because it's not common....

@skodass1

6 күн бұрын

@@richardmillhousenixon yeah... its a death spiral... If all those Nvidia fan boys want to pay more for less then let them... not my money.. only other alternative currently is AMD which works well on Linux (even for gaming). But i hope the future brings in more card devs for gaming... F*** AI.

This is what a monopoly does

@skodass1

6 күн бұрын

Doesn't help that the fan boys keep paying more for less instead of holding nvidia accountable for their shenanigans.

Amd, Intel please save us

@theredphoenix33

10 ай бұрын

Bro, we getting so desperate that we're even asking intel for help in gpu hell

@Unethical.Dodgson

10 ай бұрын

@@theredphoenix33 A third competitor really is the shakeup that we need. If not intel... then at least someone else. The problem is. It's not AMD you want to muscle out but NVIDIA that you want to push. But Nvidia fanboyism is so strong right now that they could release a 5090 with a 10% uplift and a $5000 MSRP and people would still eat it up. I used to think that wouldn't be possible but... now? Not so.

@theredphoenix33

10 ай бұрын

@@Unethical.Dodgson it was mostly a joke about intel not being too big of a competitor, my only reason left to ever go for Nvidia is that the format is relatively easy to read compared to amd. I got a new nvidia card (3060 ti) recently because it was on a pretty generous sale, if it wasn't on sale i would've gone with amd easily, purely based on pricepoint alone. I'm pretty sure most budget builds nowadays get built around the gpu anyways.

@teufelhund3801

9 ай бұрын

​@@theredphoenix33Nvidia is Intel....

@thomquiri5403

9 ай бұрын

Unless you have 2 grands to spend on the absolute BEST gpu, then you've got no need to turn to nvidia, AMD is better quality for price paid anyway

Nvidia is like the Apple of GPUs

@Atrcn

10 ай бұрын

Which is why people keep buying because them

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

Yea, they’re the best…

@eliasneris2612

10 ай бұрын

Apple m1, m2 cpu are so far superior to Intel and AMD for productivity apps. Video editing, photo editing, music, etc is so so much faster a $1500 Mac book is faster than a $5000 pc in davinci resolve. I would have agreed with you hardware wise when they used Intel but their OS is still far superior to windows. I use both but my pc is mainly gaming and my mac is for work.

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

@@eliasneris2612 nah, there’s no way. A 4090 and 13900k will crush a mac any day.

@82_930

10 ай бұрын

@@adoptedorange52951where’s the proof though🤔🤔

From what I understand that price is only justifiable because no other company has a card out there with equivalent performance, once AMD comes out with a competing card prices should go down

@levygaming3133

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, like what happened in the consumer GPU space… oh wait.

@oneirish

4 ай бұрын

Tbh people arent buying amd because amd still hasnt caught up to nvidia, but amd are cooking with the cpus ngl, if they focus on their gpus they can start making more consumer friendly products

I feel like Nvidia BECAME Activision

@mryellow6918

6 ай бұрын

Except nvidia still produce a good product.

@BigPeePee14

6 ай бұрын

​@@mryellow6918 Products that costs one kidney each lmfao

When I saw a 4090 was $1700 and a 7900 XTX was $1000 I immediately switched back to team red

@T136ftw

9 ай бұрын

Because its a weaker card.

@Its_Juan

9 ай бұрын

@@T136ftw $700 worth of performance weaker? A 4090 is almost twice the price of a 7900 XTX, yet the XTX rivals the 4090 is nearly identical fps in some games

@plasmahvh

9 ай бұрын

@@Its_Juan in cod and that's it. compare apples to apples please. 7900 xtx is substantially weaker in raster and a LOT weaker in RT.

@didybopintitys

9 ай бұрын

@@plasmahvh yes but if you don’t care about rt, in a lot of other applications besides just cod, it’s not 700 dollars worth of improvement, And I use nvidia lol

@KiotheCloud

8 ай бұрын

​@@plasmahvhthe point is 1700 is way to much for only 1 component and if u look at the upside vs downsides the 4090 is faster but it eats more power, its has higher fps but is +40 fps really gonna change if ur already 200fps+ un lower prices and with 1700 you can literally make a new build with that with a cheaper but still capable gpu with less power draw and 50% less fps. Sure if u have the money go ahead buy the 4090 no one is stopping you but alot of people have that money now if nvidia were the only gpu in the market you are force to overpay so thats the fact.

And we still have Nvidia fanboys defending them 🤦

@someguywithmtndew5691

10 ай бұрын

yeah, the only thing nvidia gpus is good at is content creation. but if u r only gaming it’s a no brainer to go with amd

@Mo9ses

10 ай бұрын

The RTX tax is kind of worth it for me. I can’t play the games I play without RTX anymore

@RobVanHars2001

10 ай бұрын

​@@Mo9sesfrom the youtube videos i see comparing rtx on and off i dont feel like there's any meaningful difference lol

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

NVIDIA is better in every way… but keep being ignorant 😊

@essatolba3645

10 ай бұрын

​@@adoptedorange52951you legit my ignorant guy

Factory costs are insane in chip manufacturing

@ripphizz3227

6 күн бұрын

So it costs them a lot to make chips?

tech bro discovers supply and demand:

@kellybj08

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention doesn’t consider design costs for these very complicated devices.

@emiljanduka51

6 ай бұрын

​​@@kellybj08 They aren't going to use a different design for every GPU it's going to be the same for every GPU and they aren't going to sell 30 GPUs they are going to sell thousands and they are going to make their money fast as shit I think 12k 15k would be too much but alot better

@RuteFernandes-qs6pc

5 ай бұрын

​@@kellybj08 R&D is always included in production costs. It's a very common misconception production costs only include manufacturing and materials. Marketing costs is the variable that is not calculated as part of production.

@__-fi6xg

5 ай бұрын

try monopoly, and no ...not the game...

@HarshDude126

2 ай бұрын

Why do you bootlickers defend corporate greed? Do you enjoy being price gouged?

If not for competition for AMD they would be charging you 10x more

@tylerclayton6081

2 ай бұрын

AMD is not competition for Nvidia. Nvidia controls 86% of the dedicated GPU market. AMD controls only 10% and intel only 3% to 4% Nvidia would charge the same prices even if AMD didn’t make GPU’s. Nvidia can only charge up to whatever maximum amount consumers can afford to pay for a luxury good like a GPU. And Nvidia knows that the vast majority of people will buy their product over the other brands even if the other brands are cheaper It’s similar to how Apple charges a premium price for their product simply because it’s Apple and recognized to be higher quality by consumers. Nvidia knows people think their stuff is the best, and won’t even consider looking at the competition. Most people who buy GPU’s don’t even take the time to compare and contrast AMD and Nvidia products. They just buy an Nvidia GPU by default

@cloudboogie

Ай бұрын

@@tylerclayton6081 Do you think any consumer would be buying Nvidia cards, if they were priced twice as high as similar performance AMD? You're benefitting from competition and still not able to accept it.

@naufaldaffa6773

Ай бұрын

@@cloudboogie yes because outside of gaming, nvidia actually have a working library support for alot of productivity and development functionality like CUDA and Tensor instead of those AMD's half-assed

@naufaldaffa6773

Ай бұрын

@@cloudboogie People talk about how AMD is good for competition but they themself know that they won't buy amd card and just hope nvidia's card will drop down in price because of it

@degeneratepervert6255

Ай бұрын

@@naufaldaffa6773 I buy AMD almost exclusively unless an Nvidia product meets my needs better for a better price.

The only one who realised that at 3000 production cost that is a 900 percent profit

@Gordonizon

10 ай бұрын

Bro can’t do math 💀

@srn123

10 ай бұрын

@@Gordonizon he is saying truth.they make 27000 dollor profit which is 900%.

@azure3438

10 ай бұрын

1000% sound more WOW than 900%, that's why..

@SAT0SHUNI

10 ай бұрын

Bro 3000*9 is only 27k it's 1,000% cause in decimal form which would be 10.00 would make it 30k

@adur06

10 ай бұрын

How can this have so much likes this is sad af

Just to put it out there, when you buy these types of products you pay for engineering not just for the parts it has inside. With same logic Adobe Photoshop is cost free to produce. But this guy also not wrong.

@TheMaztercom

2 ай бұрын

Bro is edging for nvidia 💀

@Asghaad

9 күн бұрын

which is already part of the "to produce " cost ... what you think these things have $3000 worth of hardware on that PCB ? no the bulk of that cost is in RND ... so they pay for manufacturing AND RND then make $27k per unit profit on top of that ...

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH ITTTTT

@metallboy25

4 ай бұрын

Yes they can.

@hdz77

3 күн бұрын

@@metallboy25 Not if most people decide to buy AMD instead.

Their gaming GPU's are practically a charity service at this point

@dewd471

9 ай бұрын

fr, 2-5% profit

@jorislal

8 ай бұрын

They sell a lot more gaming GPU's than specialty GPU's for businesses. They most probably still profit more from gaming GPUs.

@Ascho_o

8 ай бұрын

@@jorislal i mean unless gaming gpus sell 10 times more than buisness gpus that is. which probably is not the case

@hendrafour7824

7 ай бұрын

@@Ascho_o even more than that, an h100 is 30k, so the percent difference is way more than a ~2k gpu

@hunterthunell4721

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Ascho_oyou’d need to sell 180 3000 dollar gpus with a 5% profit in order to make the same money as a single ‘30k gpu’

looks like nvidia is turning greedy like every company

@cashinyourface

10 ай бұрын

They've been getting greedy for a while now.

@TheACTIONZ

10 ай бұрын

Every big company is greedy, what r u talking about

@MPdude237

10 ай бұрын

They are a publicly traded company, the CEO is by law required to act in the best interests of the shareholders and if that means selling H100s at a 1000% markup, then so be it.

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

Wow what a surprise? You’re barely noticing that right now!?

@DanorDave

10 ай бұрын

​@@adoptedorange52951did you even read?

Id be glad to see intel arc actually become usable

You had me in the first half not gonna lie 🤣🤣

That's why I bought an AMD graphics card

@Stealth6921

10 ай бұрын

And thats why im buying an amd graphics card

@angeloamaral9141

10 ай бұрын

Smell driver issues

@thermidor2452

10 ай бұрын

Have AMD 6950 Xt, haven't had any driver problem honestly.

@angeloamaral9141

10 ай бұрын

@@thermidor2452 he made news about the issue (Zack)

@angeloamaral9141

10 ай бұрын

@@thermidor2452 of drivers

Us budget ballers need to be saved by amd😂

@matthijsvandeweerd1415

10 ай бұрын

Intel'se the real savior. Amd's had plenty of chances to blow Nvidia out of the water, and they ofcourse didn't. Intel on the other hand launched their first gpu's at the price of their PERFORMANCE, not the build cost. And yet, they are now CHEAPER than launch price and deliver MORE performance.

@harriswone4215

10 ай бұрын

@@matthijsvandeweerd1415you’re right AMD ain’t saving nobody 😂

@erplayerj

10 ай бұрын

​@@matthijsvandeweerd1415wtf uses intel gpus??? I prefer amd cards but i had to get an rtx 3070 cuz the drivers r not compatible with fortnite performance mode

@TheRealNeoFrancois

10 ай бұрын

​@@erplayerj7 percent of the gaming market rn and climbing,they actually compete really well and have decent performance

@erplayerj

10 ай бұрын

@@TheRealNeoFrancois they r not made for gaming.

I personally go AMD, since I'm not interested in DLSS or RT. I'd much rather have less latency and real frames without artifacts, than ray tracing, which unless you go to pathtracing, looks like a fancier version of SSR with a 30% fps cost. Radeon seems like an easy way to save money. I have a 6800xt by the way

@RandomizedYoutuber012

Ай бұрын

I have a 6700xt and 100% agree with you I won’t buy a Nvidia unless I have the money to get one of their super powerful ones

@ovingoonesekera8938

24 күн бұрын

I'd switch to AMD the day they make a move on ROCm and make it on par with CUDA till then I'd have to stick with Nvidia

@richardmillhousenixon

15 күн бұрын

​@@ovingoonesekera8938 ROCm is on par with it. The problem is devs don't support ROCm because people don't have AMD cards, which drives more people to not buy AMD because the devs don't support it. Its a cycle

@ovingoonesekera8938

15 күн бұрын

@@richardmillhousenixon true but then a reason for devs to not support ROCm is the subpar hardware...i.e AI accelerators vs Tensors cores.So even if devs use ROCm it won't work as good CUDA.Sure they might have alts for Nvidia's midrange stuff but once u move into Quadro/RTX(high end) territory, AMD's better off sticking to what they're good at,i.e rasterized gaming.

@richardmillhousenixon

15 күн бұрын

@@ovingoonesekera8938 The hardware isn't sub-par lol. I'll use Stable Diffusion as an example because I've used it, and so has a friend who has a literally identical rig save for an Nvidia card. They have a RTX 3080, I have a RX 6800XT, a card which on paper performs about 4% worse than the 3080. Difference being the 6800 has 16 gigs of VRAM while the 3080 has 10. Running Stable Diffusion on Linux, I can generate a 1024x1024 image about 5-10% _faster_ than my friend's RTX 3080 running on Windows, because Nvidia absolutely hates open source software and drivers, and refuses to support Linux (another amd W). At the time we both had Ryzen 2700X processors with 64 gigabytes of RAM.

It cost $10 BILLION to make the research, they are currently in DEBT from it

Even more of a reason to get an Arc

@immxrtal_02

10 ай бұрын

Or amd

@thanksgiving1206

10 ай бұрын

The A Team

@billnorman7894

10 ай бұрын

​@@thanksgiving1206AMD and the Arc

@billnorman7894

10 ай бұрын

And also because they have a better RT on some RTX Cards and also they're like Nvidia but not greedy except for the CPUs

@AtomicSub

10 ай бұрын

Amazing to see one of 5 people who bought it, it’s amazing seeing such a rare species in the wild

Nvidia puts apple to shame with their pricing lmao

@TheRealNeoFrancois

10 ай бұрын

Idk man,1k monitor stand is still pretty nuts,the worst thing Nvidia has made was a 1630( to my current knowledge) but at least there's more then one use with a 1630

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

Lol not even close. Apple charges $100 for each extra storage option

@maxsens_7374

10 ай бұрын

@@adoptedorange52951 apple only charges a little more than a dollar for each gigabyte they offer. Its cute isn't it? /s

@maxsens_7374

10 ай бұрын

@@adoptedorange52951 fr dude. As a reddit user I confirm that I haven’t touched a single grass for over a decade.

@PFnove

10 ай бұрын

​@@maxsens_7374 yeah guess how cheap pc users pay for each gigabyte of extra storage if you want a samsung 990 pro (pretty damn good) at 1tb capacity you pay: - 1tb capacity -> 0.15 €/gb - 2tb capacity -> 0.12 €/gb you apple users (on the mac pro) pay 0.46 €/gb for +1tb of storage

Bruh, youd think they would be selling cheaper since they dont really need to profit of off them, and that still would make them more money since everyone wants cheap quality products

first of all. It takes a lot of money to get the production cost low for something as complex as that. second of all, it is just an estimate and most likely isn't true considering how hard it is to maintain qualty and keeping costs low.

How to stop it? Put your wallet back in your pocket.

@OmegaMikePL

9 ай бұрын

True, also there is no need to get new overpiced GPUs, when the new games are also overpriced!

@LmFao535

9 ай бұрын

​@@OmegaMikePLand also unfinished

@centillionare

8 ай бұрын

Patiently waiting for Intel Battlemage and hoping it's not priced at insanity as well.

Infinite money glitch. They be hopin it doesn't get fixed in the next patch😂

@Egg.Of.Glory999

8 ай бұрын

true dat

You’re explaining all excellent sir you just got a new subscriber

In reality, pricing varies for the H100, depending on how many you want, and who you are. Some companies may pay 30K, some may pay 15K. Jensen knows how to milk a cow.

"The more you buy ,the more you save"

"buying nvidia for ai voice changer"

@astral2048

10 ай бұрын

RDNA2 cards run that just fine

@lmaoboxuser

10 ай бұрын

@@astral2048 idk about these stuff just comment because voice changer app just on my yt feed few week ago

@lmaoboxuser

10 ай бұрын

@@astral2048 can u recommend me which card to buy?

@namrehtv2746

9 ай бұрын

​@@lmaoboxuserAre you planning to build pc?

@lmaoboxuser

4 ай бұрын

​@@namrehtv2746upgrade from 750ti;; already got 4060ti anyways

I cant wait for arc and radeon to be the new competitors.

@Ammiad

4 ай бұрын

AMD

I got a used 4070 TI for $400 when I was building my new system earlier this year. It's going to have to do until either prices are reasonable or the price: performance ratio gets better.

"The more you buy, the more you save". LMAO🤣

Good thing I’m team red ever since I started using milwaukee

@adoptedorange52951

10 ай бұрын

Sad times, team green has it made

@nesyboi9421

10 ай бұрын

​​@@adoptedorange52951They really don't. Nvidia right now is like if GM started charging Rolls Royce prices for the Silverado.

@mass_stay_tapped_in528

10 ай бұрын

@@adoptedorange52951bro you are going to every AMD-related comment and basically saying “shoulda went Nvidia” .. people like you are the reason Nvidia charges as much as they do & you support it blindly. Be more critical and less on your knees towards a company that doesn’t care about the consumer.

@beckoningjinx1119

10 ай бұрын

I know team blue is cheap and sometimes underpowered, but sometimes Kobalt is all you need.

@edwardmyers1746

10 ай бұрын

😂

then what's the best gpu for under 250-500$? I was thinking about an nvidia rtx2060. I want it to be rtx because I want to try the ai painting thing.

Inventing this stuff also costs a lot of money. That's like when you are in a 5 Star restaurant you're not only paying for the food but for the interior and the people who work there.

@average.yt.commenter609

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, and people are saying "I'll stick to my 1080" as if it was a card for them. KZread comments are just so incredibly infuriating

There are literally people complaining about NVIDIA being greedy while they are using an iPhone... 🤡 Note: I'm not trying to defend NVIDIA here, their pricing is, without a doubt, ridiculous

@Snwy2510

10 ай бұрын

Whats wrong with using an Iphone ? I bought my 8+ 2nd handed for 1/10 the price, still going strong since 2018. The only issue is that the home button making some weird noises but its because of my own recklessness that i dropped it

@scr0nz

10 ай бұрын

@@Snwy2510 Nothing in praticular, just that they are way to overpriced (just like NVIDIA). Also, the argument with buying it used doesn't really work, because you can do the same with a NVIDIA graphics card.

@dariobarisic3502

9 ай бұрын

​@@Snwy2510Used IPhones are even more overpriced compared to used *insert any other brand*... But imho, 90% of phone brands are way overpriced, it's not just iphone anymore.

@anandsuralkar2947

9 ай бұрын

Yes just apple is on another league

@anandsuralkar2947

9 ай бұрын

​@@Snwy2510apple is selling same phone since iphone X just with increasing prices

Holy that's a lots of money

Not literally, but figurative. I don't understand why some people use the term "literally" to express figurative stuff.

They should do the Ikea special

As a canadian this amount of markup is very familiar

Here I am with my 7900XT as happy as can be

@vadoksam9235

9 ай бұрын

Ikr exact same here 🎉 Just as good. Sometimes better. Usually the same. (Compared to nvidia). But for FAR FAR FAR less money. Gamers are retrded for not getting amd rn.

Buddy, it's not about how much it cust to phisicaly produce the unit, it's about how much money and time they did put in to create it. the ammount of ppl that had to work to get it done

When you're miles ahead of the competition you can charge what the market will pay.

The sad thing is that I checked my local pc component shop today and they had literally only 3 amd options available and two of those are 4gb cards while the other is the new 7600. I was planning on upgrading now, but it seems Imm gonna have to wait since I don’t want to spend the bucks on nvidea

@alexforce9

10 ай бұрын

Buy second hand or just order online.

@angeloamaral9141

10 ай бұрын

Or buy nvidia

@grumpywumpy

10 ай бұрын

​@@angeloamaral9141nuh uh

@teufelhund3801

9 ай бұрын

​@@angeloamaral9141Why? No point in buying mass faulty cards.

@_Wasp

9 ай бұрын

@@teufelhund3801 How are they faulty?

This is why i wait for the new cards, so that i can buy one used for much cheaper.

@Unethical.Dodgson

10 ай бұрын

Yeah and then you buy a mining card that was running at 100c in a mining farm and it's got, at best, a year or two before kaput. Not saying that you can't find good cards being sold by literal smooth brains that follow the new gens every release but... it'll happen at some point.

@dkoorse

9 ай бұрын

but these arent consumer cards, u wont run a game on them

@PhoenixProTech

9 ай бұрын

Use ones cost almost 20% over the MSRP price tag, which means they are still overpriced. Just get a new one.

@CustomPCGamer

9 ай бұрын

@@PhoenixProTech Matters on location and where you are looking. I've never payed over MSRP for any card that I've bought. Earlier in the year, I bought a used 3070 (not mined on) and a 750w corsair PSU still in the box for $350 and the dude showed me the reciepts to prove that he bought them. During the GPU shortage in 2020, I bought a 2080 Super for $550 that I sold for a profit. You just have to know where to look, have patience, and see if any in your area are listed for a good price.

@CustomPCGamer

9 ай бұрын

@@dkoorse I mainly said that towards what Zach said at the end which basically covered the fact that buying those higher end industry-grade cards are influencing the decision by NVIDIA to price their gaming tier cards way higher than they need to be due to the bottom line being so low but profit being massive.

This is why half my damn bank account is invested in nivida and it’s serving me well literally beating inflation by 3x

I only wish they'd pass these kind of profits onto gamers in the form of cheaper gpus lol

couldn't help but notice that the listing you showed where they're charging 2,379 USD for the strix 4090 was from a scalper.

@Unethical.Dodgson

10 ай бұрын

Ah yes. ASUS. Notorious scalper. It's not that they follow pricing as set by Nvidia (Not allowed to sell cheaper than Founder's cards... heyooooo) or anything like that.

@mlordwhiteslayerfromf.u.g

10 ай бұрын

@@Unethical.Dodgson The listing he showed is from an Amazon third party seller named GH electronics. Yes Asus way overcharges for their ROG strix line however this seller is selling it for 379 USD over what Asus is selling it for.

@MARKXHWANG

9 ай бұрын

Jensen should have charged you 1000% already for being a ahole

And i switch to AMD

@FlintG

10 ай бұрын

I am already using amd lol

@yulfine1688

9 ай бұрын

This isn't for gaming... at all.. it's entirely used in very specific process including the rest of costs this card is probably marked up 600% or so maybe less maybe more. The manufacturing cost of 3300$ that's nor including rnd etc..

If you did any research at all, you'd know these cards are very hard to get, increasing their price up to 100,000 USD from some retailers. They are also used as collateral in loans because they are so high value

The problem is what alternatives do we have in terms of gaming graphics cards? I would be happy to k ow an equivalent to a good rtx Nvidia card

It’s called a monopoly

@timo4463

9 ай бұрын

Dupply and demand

@Darkk141

4 ай бұрын

​@@timo4463no its only supply and fanboys

They invested a lot of money into the development of the card it’s not just the price of materials.

@spentcasing3990

8 ай бұрын

So what. R&D is part of what their supposed to do.

@efexzium

7 ай бұрын

They’re taking that way to far

You under estimate the cost of research and development. They have to research industry need, chip design, chip manufacturing, thermal management, and computer interfacing. Then, the cost to procure and manufacture materials. Then ship, market, and run a company on top of all of that. HR, employees, management, shareholders. And then, profit. And despite all of what I laid out, when you make the best, you can charge for it.

@Asghaad

9 күн бұрын

and ALL of that is already part of the $3k figure ...

It doesn’t matter how much they charge. No one else can make what they make and the money these companies are making from their products in revenue justifies the price tag

Fairly normal in professional context actually. Prices like these mostly include stuff like support on a level that common end users don't really need. Like for most users a support that can tell them, that they need to connect a power cable in order for the GPU to run is sufficient. While in professional context you need a support that actually knows stuff about that hardware's specifics.

We need more competition in the gpu market

@thor.halsli

9 ай бұрын

We have competition, for a 500$ you get twice the preformance from AMD as Nvidia does. You just need to buy it. No point in a competition if no one is buying the competition

@UltimaKrecia

8 ай бұрын

​@@thor.halsliSo marketing is the problem.

I'm fine witb these niche cards being so expensive; eventually the technology filters throigh tk the gaming side of things eventually improving the performance there while reducing the prices.

That doesn't take into account the engineering needed to stay on top of the competition

Yeah, it may cost $3k to produce a card, minus the figures that went into research, testing, prototyping, employment and so on

@AfricanAmericansInParis

6 ай бұрын

Why tf you defending a company that's so greedy.

@Moedow

6 ай бұрын

@@AfricanAmericansInParis Greedy? Its called economics. Supply & Demand. sheesh

@smulestar

6 ай бұрын

​@@AfricanAmericansInParishe's an Nvidia employee

@PlayerEngineer

5 ай бұрын

You make a valid point but they are still swimming in money without a proper competitor they can keep getting away with this pricing and even with a competitor, they will still be rich

@SaSo-mk6yh

4 ай бұрын

They practically monopolising on it.

I hear you say that, but I still don’t regret a single cent spent on my 4090

Charging 5x cost is standard for ANY product, if you own the market 10x is very common.

It might take $3000 to make but there’s usually millions of dollars worth of R&D involved to make them, they are in business to earn money not for charity.

I managed to get a 3060 founders when the came out for only $300 and it was the best perchance I’ve ever made.

As someone around the industry, let’s look at these numbers a little more closely and factor in the BILLIONS they spend on R&D every year. They spend about $8B on R&D, and sell about 30M GPU’s, effectively adding $267 to the cost of each average GPU. With an average selling price of $637, about 40% of the cost is R&D, say 10% manufacturing the product, and 50% actual profit. Their cards are expensive because they spend so much on R&D, not because they take a huge 900% profit

@dipesh8836

8 ай бұрын

well,Apple a company criticised for its 'reportedly' high margin only makes around a 35-40% profit per iPhone 14 so for you to say that selling gpus with a 50% percent margin is fair might as well call Apple chairty

Strug, intell arc is looking pretty good right now.

bro this video convinced me team red is the way to go

When a business starts making money, ppl be getting annoyed at everything

That’s why I’d rather buy the top end gpu on launch at msrp and then sit on it for 2 generations, sell the old one and use the money for the next one. It usually allows me to get a substantial offset on upgrading and I can even go 2-3 generations if I wanted. Currently I’ve got a 4090 and it’s a legend. Only reason I got it was my 3090 died on me I got it at microcenter with the extra warranty. when it died they didn’t have any 3090’s so I had to get something else and all they had were 4090s lol so I went home with a 4090 for only a few bucks more so it worked out perfect. Now I just hope the power connector doesn’t melt lol 😂 but if it does I do have the warranty on this one too.

@Unethical.Dodgson

10 ай бұрын

Buys 1080ti for $800. Sells it for $300. Buys 3090 for $2000. (Didn't happen to me. My friend got a 1080ti for $300 and I bought my 1080 for less than $250... thankfully just before the Covid chip shortage) Just saying. Those 10 series cards were so cheap in comparison and people sold them off for next to nothing when RTX 20 was coming around. Then those people buy the 3090 for thousands of dollars. We've gotten to the point, though, where you are burning money by buying top tier GPUs. You can run most games maxed out on mid-tier older gen cards and you get diminishing returns for a lot of newer resolutions and technologies. You may as well just buy a 3080, skip 4080, wait for 5080 or 6080. Buying a 4090 is like buying a McClaren P1. Great if you want one just to have one. Bad if you bought it for any idea of value. It has none.

@21preend42

9 ай бұрын

damn GG on that 4090.

You need to calculate the R&D fund they have put into the product. They are selling tech, not product.

You know the cost of making isn't the only cost right? Stuff like R&D, Employee Wages, Distribution Cost are also factors.

Let’s boycott Nvidia, they can’t keep doing what they please.

"they're just trying to make more money" holy shit it's almost like Nvidia is a business and that's the entire purpose 🤯

@ciri151

9 ай бұрын

Shhhhh, keep it down before they notice that AMD is also a business!

@Alpatrixx

9 ай бұрын

nahhhhhhhhh your joking

@Alpatrixx

9 ай бұрын

i mean thats what restaurants do with drinks, ik its not the same thing but ya know just gotta mention it@@4kmentality

@gabbymcgibson984

9 ай бұрын

hes only considering cost to manufacture...by another company. NVIDIA only designs. they have a MASSIVE force of engineers all over the world creating AI GPUs and also completely different teams designing gaming GPUs and so on. This man is clueless and probably has lost a boat load of poo on the stock :) i love humans, you guys are funny.

@DiddlyDoink

9 ай бұрын

your telling fibs m8, no way nvidia isn't the magic machine people, a business? that's like for houses not computer parts, we're wrong about nvidia, a single stranger just told us so

Second hand is the key, even for ultra high end

What gpu should i use🤔 RTX4070 8gb or RX 7800 XT 16gb

That's why market competitors are important for users They are literally alone in the ocean

Reminder nvidia has employees to pay and a bunch of other costs outside of manufacturing the cards (R&D probably being a lot of money) while they probably do make a lot off of the cards, I doubt the number is that astronomical.

If anything you'd think they'd price their other products lower to take a much larger market share

All you gotta do is buy from their site, it’s reasonably priced for what the GPUs will run

Team red 👇

They do not charge too much, at least in the AI sector. Because their products don’t really have competition, so they can set their own price. Additionally, if that price was too high, it would not be economical to buy H100s. But companies do, because the price is a fair representation of the value the cards have.

@metallboy25

4 ай бұрын

🤡

If you are talking about the cost of the product minus the cost of producing the product, that's top line profit. Bottom line profit is the profit after all expenses, (i.e interest paid of debt, cost of administration, etc.)

I've always operated on the idea that I dont mind paying more for nvidia because I want the features of shadowplay, dlss, geforce overlay etc. I also dont want compatibility issues because I see a shit ton of errors occurring or lacking features with AMD cards on games I play

You don't pay Nvidia for building the cards. You are paying them for knowing how to build the cards. Being first in research in a competitive new field is not cheap.

@yulfine1688

9 ай бұрын

Well sadly what you're paying for is the only company providing what that card does... ontop of the fact there's massive demand for the card.

@centillionare

8 ай бұрын

What Zach is trying to talk about is opportunity cost. Profit margins for things that are sold to businesses that are using the items to make money are way bigger than something that is mainly just used for fun. That's why GPUs were so expensive during the mining boom, people started making money on the GPUs and were willing to pay more due to return on investment. The invisible hand of the market has spoken by GPUs sitting on shelves and not even selling out on release like they did every time previously. We can also look at die size and CUDA core counts of current gen GPUs vs previous gen and see a huge disparity.

It’s like everyone forgets the hundreds of millions of dollars they spent developing the chip in the first place.

@yulfine1688

9 ай бұрын

While this is true it's very quickly made up a 1000% markup is uncessary though that's just the card not everything else so the markup is probably around 600-800% which is still massive. Usually markups are around 50-300% some more or less.

It's also why they won't give us proper vram. They don't want the 4090 , 5090 etc to compete with the enterprise gpus

my dads job in the last 2 years is to write multimillion dollar checks to invidia. his research firm goes hard into AI and machine learning.

Radeon cards be looking real sexy right about now.

Jenson already stated in an interview 1 or 2 years ago that nvidia never was meant to be a gaming gpu manufacturer. They where the first to build advanced graphics cards in a time where noone needed them so they started selling them for gaming related things to stay afloat while market for science develops more.

Is that including all of the R&D or just manufacturing+materials cost?

Research for these cards is free i guess They could’ve made enterprise grade cards cost less, but increase the price of consumer grade cards