Like this comment for a Tom Ascol interview!

@Savedbygrace22

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely!

Hey guys, please be praying for Dr. James White as I think that he is in the hospital for an emergency surgery (I heard this from his latest debate opponent Jimmy Akin)! I look forward to listening to this episode :)

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

He did have surgery today. We are awaiting news now. Thanks for praying!

@RL-tg6ds

3 ай бұрын

He is in my prayers. ❤

1689 Federalist here. Keith, you're my favorite 9/10ths of the Ten Commandments guy of all time. Functionally, the Progressive Coventental guys operate much more like sabbatarians than most evangelicals, and I do appreciate that about them.

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

Thanks brother!

@doingthingscheap7911

2 ай бұрын

Progressive Covenantals are progressing towards 1689 federalism. 😂

@scottleary8468

2 ай бұрын

@willV9962 While I am very much in agreement with Foskey's nonsabbatarian viewpoint, I wouldn't want to call it a "9/10th Ten Commandments" position. I still agree with Calvin that the Ten Commandments are "ten [not nine] eternal truths about God." Each of the Ten Commandments (including the Fourth) tells something that is "eternally true about God." Several years ago, I read Calvin's sermons on the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy chapter 5). Calvin convinced me that the Ten Commandments are a revelation of God's immutable nature. Even the Fourth Commandment teaches us something that is "eternally true about God."

Remember often the confessions were written to address theological error of its day. It was noted that the 1LBCF didn't prevent the error of Thomas Collier, leading to need for 2LBCF expandion along with larger tensions with paedobaptist, 2LBCF was intended to also establish the Particular Baptists were orthodox and weren't Annabaptist.

A yes for Dr. Ascol also would love to see a conversation between you, a 1689 federalist and a classic covenantalist have a dialogue. The conversation may prove helpful for reformed Baptist still working through the issue.

This episode is just what I need. I was looking for a reformed Baptist confession that I agree with 100%. this confession I heard you mention it. I read it and 100 percent agree with it. I WANTED to know more so thanks for this. Your awesome brother.

FIRE - WWUTT is FIRE, YourCalvinist is FIRE, I member of a Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals church

Presbyterian (OPC) and Westminster full-subscriptionist here… I really appreciate your clarity on disagreements regarding covenant theology. Too many particular/reform baptist have no idea how to deal with our interpretation of the covenants. Respect!

As regarding the Sabbath, Hebrews 4 is clear. The Christian Sabbath is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Our rest is not only IN Christ, our rest IS CHRIST!

Excellent idea for the audio book of the confession. I look forward to having access to the resourse.

@unit2394

2 ай бұрын

As am I. I definitely want to listen to it when it comes out.

Shoutout to the 90's opening lol

Love the idea of you having Dr. Ascol on the show!

So by Keith’s own words, he “rejects Superior Theology.”

This is where you confused me. You say, the men who formulated the confession may have had a different covenantal srtucture but you go on to say its not clearly expressed. Granted it may not be expressed as well in the 1st but, you then say " it says what it says" what does that mean? The words written should be understood in the context of the men who wrote it. Not, well here is my interpretation of what the confession says therefore seperating it from its intention of its authors. Isnt that the point Renihan makes in his expositions of both the first and second lbcf's, that we should understand the confession in light of those who wrote it AND if you have a different view it must be reconized as novel at best. This would then imply your view of the covenants from a baptist perspective is novel to the 1st edition. This makes me struggle to understand why, nuance, simplicity and convienience to stay with the 1st over shadows the depth, complexity and specific detail of the second.

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

I am not certain that the framers of the first confession were as affirmed regarding the covenant structure which is clearly present in the second and was likely influenced - at least in part - by westminster.

@Leatherwoodoutdoors

3 ай бұрын

@@ConversationswithaCalvinist I do understand what your saying. They were heavily influenced to the point of nearly copying all of westminster to show the divines they were not anabaptists and that they tryly agreed with many things. I guess, it would depend on how many editors of the first had a hand editing and authoring the second? If it were many or the same then could we not say they came to a fuller understanding of CT in the second?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

@@Leatherwoodoutdoors I think that would be fair to say. Certainly there was growth and change in the years between the 1640s and the 1680s. I know I am not the same theologically as I was 20 years ago. Praise the Lord for that.

I also agree with “Progressive Covenantalism”. It definitely makes more sense than the other theological systems. The book you mentioned, “Kingdom through Covenant”, is very helpful, I read the whole thing and you’re right it is a big book. God bless you brother, keep up the good work.

I recognize that cover! Shoutout to Particular Baptist Press in Springfield 16:15 !! I got a free copy of this as soon as it was printed.

just read the 1644. thank you for this video!

I've recently come out of a period of a severe lack of assurance and wrestling with whether I am saved or not. I say that to explain that for a long time I've held to the Baptist position on the ordinances as tradition more than my conviction on what God's Word teaches. I was hearing a lot of arguments from Presbyterian brothers, and they were pretty convincing. I'm still wrestling through various issues. All this to say, that it's interesting your video came up on my feed. Just this past Sunday I had a one-on-one session with one of my elders (we've been doing this for a few weeks), and we discussed covenant theology. A lot of what you say here lines up with what he was saying, and helps clarify some points. Thank you! I know this was meant more as an explanation for why your local church took on a particular confession, but it has also served (for me) as a lesson in other matters as well. I'm grateful.

Bro. Keith, you expressed the very reasons I give my 1689 brethren about why I'll stick with the 1646. And I think it's a little unfortunate that the 1689 LBCF is called the Second when it really isn't an expansion of the first. In many ways, the 1689 is a whole other document altogether that looks more like the Westminster Confession of Faith than the 1st LBCF. And as far as the "Christian Sabbath" goes, I'm so thankful it isn't a day, especially the Lord's Day. As a pastor, that's my most busy and tiring day. 🙂

I was surprised to learn that Mr. Spurgeon did offer the Lord's Supper to unbelievers , He also believed the Sabbath was to be kept holy ... not necessarily for napping on the couch, but to be in service of the Lord in Piety, Necessity, and acts of Mercy (Sunday) and yet was a supportive of the 2nd LBC of 1689

Well put! The reasons you're stating is why our church goes with the New Hampshire confession.

After reading Carl Trueman's Crisis of Confidence last week, I, as an elder, have been considering helping our church be more confessional. I am thankful that this video pop up. I share the same views (Reformed, Baptistic, Sabbath is Christ) so First LCF sounds ideal next step. Such a practical idea of 52 articles incorporated in Sunday readings! Thanks and PTL

Thanks for this. I agree, more simple is more better.

Dr Scott Callaham would be another great interview! Watched him a few times on The Polite Leader and he’s so kind and knowledgeable. So much theological knowledge and surprisingly versatile in music as well. 👍👍👍

I thought you were a Presbyterian. Your impressions of them are so good that they fooled me.

@rjhall5712

3 ай бұрын

Now that's 😂 funny !

Looking forward to the audiobook.

Keith, Compare the Westminister with LBC 1644, 1646, and 2 LBC 1689. Also, the differences with Heidelberg, New Hampshire, Pennyslvania, etc...??

As a Presbyterian you handle your disagreement well. I can definitely see you and I as friends if I lived near you! I’ll have to get you on my podcast in the future.

I recently read The Waldensian Confessions of Faith (Circa 1120), and though much shorter, I find the similarities to the LBV1 and the Westminster encouraging, given the period in history and the events of the time.

Still not clear on difference between federalism cov theology and progressive cov theology. Can anyone provide more clarification.

I actually really have been wanting this video for so long. Thank you so much Pastor Keith!

Keith, I'd be interested in hearing you address the subject of elders, and specifically the difference between how Baptists and Presbyterians view them. Baptists in my experience view "elder" as equivalent to "pastor," which is reflected both in the BF&M (for those Southern Baptists in the room) and the 1689 (Ch. 26, ¶¶ 8-11); we Presbyterians understand "elder" to include pastors or ministers ("teaching elders," in our parlance) as well as lay church leaders ("ruling elders"). In light of 1 Timothy 5:17, which clearly understands "elders" to include those whose work is *not* in preaching and teaching, I'd be interested in hearing an explanation of the Baptist view.

The Doug you mentioned is Doug Goodin. I think it's needful for us to discern the differences between NCT, Progressive Covenantalism, and Progressive Dispensationalism compared to CT, classical dispensationalism, and the 1689.

24:28 * cut to the chase.

Hey. My church is part of FIRE too!

I'm so glad this came out when it did so I could listen to it on my drive home!

The Law of Christ by Charles Leiter is the best book in print on the law IMO.

Recommendation: You should totally just call yourself by Keith Foskey or something for your channel - it’s way more entry level for people who reject the doctrines of grace and also I was reading Agape Fellowship today and he was talking about how we call ourselves by the names of others rather than Christ and it was so convicting to me 😭 I think we should call it more often the doctrines of grace rather than identifying just with one man who helped teach these things who was a great brother nonetheless-

Can you do a podcast on the black robe and why priest wear the collars, why you wear colors and fun ties and suits and just maybe an episode on clothing modesty ect? Would be helpful not sure if I’m the only one interested though haha

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

Ministerial garb could be a fun show

@person6768

3 ай бұрын

I'm super into this idea. I only found out this year a Lutheran invented the collar. I assumed it was Catholics. Or maybe it was last year but either way it was super recent and I'm in my 30s

Interresting walkthrough, not yet come to the end, so you might adress it, but a question I have is how do you keep from falling into what Jesus accused the Pharisees of doing, annulling the word of God by manmade statutes or human tradition? I AM NOT accusing you of doing this, for I find you often very humble when addressing opposite views to your own.

Love Kingdom Through Covenants. Even though I'm 1689. I can't shake the Creation Ordinance of the Day of Rest. But I don't hold it strictly enough to make the Puritan Forums happy anyway. 😂 And I can see wondering about that Papacy article with some recent Popes...but THIS Pope? Just kidding! Mosty

Very cool. I have been telling people that I largely hold to the 1689 but I think I am progressive covenantal and so not feel the 1689 hits the mark on that topic or the moral law. …. I’m gonna have to check out the 1646

I have a question. Do you hold to a Closed Communion?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

Ай бұрын

I discussed it in another video, we allow all believers to share in communion, as long as they are not under discipline from another church

Is that Hans Fiene doing the 90's jingle?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

2 ай бұрын

Yes sir!

couldn't agree with you more of the sabbath!

Also, I would be very interested to see a discussion between an Abolitionist and a Pro-lifer. I believe the former mischaracterizes the latter, and it would be nice to see some unity between the two.

Your comment about people who aren't strict sabbatarians hating the sabbath reminds me of all the theonomists that say everyone who isn't a theonomist hates God's law. It's an absurd statement and some of the people I hear say tgat is quite disturbing and disheartening. I hold to the 1689 but by sabbath view is more somewhere in the middle. I agree with you that Christ is the Sabbath and would add that the Lord's Day is a fulfillment of the sabbath. The 1689 is vague enough on that to affirm it in that way for me.

Really great to have you back safe and sound, and to hear that your time at Reformata was a real blessing. *Continues video and eats popcorn 🍿

On the Sabbath, I'm conflicted. If I accept the moral/civil/ceremonial law distinctions described in the WCF (and I do; Paul clearly had distinct categories for "God's commandments" and such ceremonial requirements as circumcision), it's clear that at least nine of the ten Commandments fall into the category of moral law. It doesn't make sense to me that one of the ten would be in a different category. And if all ten are moral law, then all ten continue in force permanently for all people--and "Christ is our Sabbath" doesn't address how we observe a moral command to reserve one day in each week for a holy rest to the Lord. But then there's a problem, because there isn't a word of biblical instruction telling us that the Sabbath Day has changed. It's clear that the practice of the First-Century church was to treat Sunday (the "Lord's Day") as the Jews did Saturday, but example isn't instruction. And, of course, celebrating Christ's resurrection is a pretty good reason to observe Sunday rather than Saturday--but again, with no direct instruction, it seems hard to dogmatically maintain that the Sabbath has been changed from one day to another. Of course, if I view the Fourth Commandment as ceremonial rather than moral law, this problem goes away--but it's replaced by the problem of why a ceremonial command was dropped in the middle of this fundamental moral law.

@jackgtx440

2 ай бұрын

I’m a 1689 Reformed Baptist and I was where you are for a LONG time. I can share my view on this. I do hold to tripartite division of Law. I do believe all 10 of the Commandments are Moral Law. I also believe Hebrews 4 is speaking of the remaining sabbath rest as our eternal redemptive rest in Christ. HOWEVER, I do believe that there is a moral obligation to set apart one day in seven as a Holy Convocation day of rest. I believe the administration of the sabbath observation did change from Saturday to Sunday. Old Covenant administration observed the 7th day, first, in remembrance of God’s perfect creation (that was corrupted with sin) with Adam, then observed the 7th day with Moses with the intent of remembering God delivering the people from Egyptian Bondage. I believe this was symbolic of the deliverance from sin that was to come in Christ. Then Christ comes and that deliverance is realized at the cross God’s final covenant with man in brought forth. We then observe Sunday, the Lord’s Day, in recognition of Christ’s new, redeemed creation, and well as the realization of the actual rescue from bondage, which is sin. Christ accomplished this with rising from dead on Sunday. Now I believe the NT Sunday Sabbath is still pointing to a greater reality that is our everlasting rest in Christ’s redemption (Heb 4). I believe we show the picture of that eternal rest and glorification by observing the Lord’s Day. In the same way Christ has died for us and justified us and we show that picture in the Lord’s Supper, and (we as Baptists) show the picture of our regeneration in Baptism. I believe all three of these NT sacraments are symbolizing our salvation as pictures of regeneration, justification and glorification. This is my opinion and where I’ve landed on this. I could be wrong, but I’m fairly convinced. We observe the Lord’s Day as a NT ceremonial ordinance symbolizing our eternal sabbath rest that is to come in the age to come.

Hi Keith, I have enjoyed your podcast and your kind demeanor. Have you heard of Progressive Covenentalism?

@jeffreybeaupre4319

3 ай бұрын

Lol I should have waited a few minutes. I see you are aware!! I hold to PC also.

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

@@jeffreybeaupre4319 haha, that’s funny. Yes, I think it best describes my position

@jeffreybeaupre4319

3 ай бұрын

@@ConversationswithaCalvinist I'm a student at Southern Seminary. I love Dr Wellum, he is such a resource to the church. I think his position is helpful in mediating between the differences in Covenant Theology. I find his position convincing.

Yeah i dont think a church needs to fully stand for any creeds or confessions but its ok if one does. Its better to have a statement of faith. Love what this pocast does and a tom ascol interview would be great

1646 cigars…

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

Hahaha! I’ll have to get them to do that for me

Would you say then, that the 1LBCF allows for progressive dispensationalism?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

Don’t know enough about PD to give a good answer. I’m still researching the nuances.

I don’t understand why Protestant Churches have these or need these “confessions”. Aren’t they supposed to use scripture alone? Doesn’t this say: We need a church to interpret scripture so that we will know what is correct teaching? In other words we need a real, living, teaching authority outside the Bible (since the Bible cannot declare any interpretation as correct or incorrect)?

Keith, I am confident in 30 minutes , I can convince you to renounce Calvinism. Will you take the challenge?

29:10 * differences with 2 LBC

1689 cigars? That's awesome, take my monies.

London I is as cool as Nicea I. Now, about London II and Nicea II... 😂😂😂

40:16 Sabbath *

Doug Goodin

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

2 ай бұрын

Yes, he has been a blessing. Thanks bro!

Augsburg Confession fur mich.

Why adopt a historical document that the writers of that document would disagree with the sense you give to those words that they penned. In other words, isn't it disingenious to give meaning to words which are different from the meaning intended by the authors and initial subscribers. Why not pen your own confession instead of bringing division and discord amongst Particular Baptists by adopting a historic confession with a different sense on the words?

Tom Ascol 🤙

'Christ is the Sabbath and we don't observe the Sabbath.' Yom is a 24hr period. Hebrew 4 says there remains a day for the Lord. This is basically what NCT holds to, yet you call it progressive covenant..

Your car breaking down was an opportunity for the glory of God to be manifest in the elders family that helped you repair it and serve the kids breakfast. The Lord does this through and in His saints ALL THE TIME! Even in the smallest of gestures do we not see the glory AND the grace of our mighty God in full measure?

First! (London Baptist Confession)

You’ve gotta break up your video so we can skip the 7-10 minute intro and get to what we are here [visiting] for :)

Is 1689 V2 wrong/bad?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

Not bad, just has areas we do not affirm.

@IamGreatsword

3 ай бұрын

@@ConversationswithaCalvinist I understand HERETIC!!😜

@IamGreatsword

3 ай бұрын

I am 1689v2 Reformed Baptist style

Have you read ‘There remains a Sabbath Rest for the People of God’ by Lee? He seems to affirm what you said regarding your view of the Sabbath as being fulfilled in Christ while simultaneously embracing a Sabbatarian position.

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 ай бұрын

I haven’t read that exact one, but I did come across similar arguments when prepping for my Sabbath debate.

Cool

It’s good he’s subscribed to you

I prefer the Westminster confession, even though some consider it a drier read.

What is the deal with Presbyterians and scotch & cigars? I am a Presbyterian and love them, as does every other reformed man I know (throw a couple Dutch and baptist in there too). It’s weird.

@alexbraham6259

3 ай бұрын

Scotch is just their Scottish heritage. Everyone likes cigars.

The Westminster is superior of course

I don’t have a problem with confessions, to me they are just statements of faith. I understand the need for confessions when the vast majority of the people didn’t read and didn’t have a Bible. This is not the case anymore. So using a confession is not much different than using the KJV, yeah it works but we have moved past that.

@shawngillogly6873

3 ай бұрын

The Puritan and Continental cultures were highly literate. Probably more functionally literate than much of the US today. Creeds are useful because they ensure everyone who teaches has a common standard. And if you say, "The Bible." I will reply: Calvinist, Wesleyan, or Open Theist reading? Traditions vary. And we have every right to know the disciples we make and churches we plant reflect our view of what a NT Church should be.

@darinbracy8433

3 ай бұрын

@@shawngillogly6873 I’m referring to the foundation of creeds and confessions. By the time the Puritans came along it’s now a tradition. Like I said not against but if you are teaching the 66 books of the Bible the doctrines and theology flows from the text of scripture.

I'm 7 minutes in and you are still yapping

Because the Bible is not your authority. Hence why you are a Calvinist and not a Christian. And why you like to use fake bibles.

@Jordankulbeck

3 ай бұрын

- One of the many confessions of Matthew.

@shawngillogly6873

3 ай бұрын

Reminder, the 5 Solas came from the Reformers. Who wrote Confessions.

@person6768

3 ай бұрын

You didn't watch the video clearly and you obviously haven't read the Bible.

@MatthewJohn14.6

2 ай бұрын

@@person6768 I have read the real Bible many times friend. And no I did not watch the video, just read the title.

@garypurgason2239

2 ай бұрын

Out of all the nonsense comments, this one is my favorite. Beautifully said.