Then take the pastor’s salary as well if that’s the case

@Imrepenting

2 жыл бұрын

Read your Bible. What you say is unbiblical. We are commanded to provide the need of those who feed us the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No where in scripture are we commanded to provide the needs of musicians. it can’t be found except only in the man made traditions of the church. That complaint only comes from musicians who’s not there to serve but to get a paycheck.

@kmija2013

2 жыл бұрын

@@Imrepenting Not true. The Levites were definitely taken care of. Read YOUR bible.

@Imrepenting

2 жыл бұрын

@@kmija2013 Do we still have a Levitical priesthood? Are musicians pastors that feed the sheep the word of God? If a believer has the skills to play music then why not play for the assembly without the expectations of getting paid? That’s the problem with the assembly today - there’s a bunch of none believing hirelings amongst the sheep today. They also bring corruption in the body which is a topic for another discussion.

@tuneunleashed

2 жыл бұрын

@@Imrepenting" the Labourer is worth of his hire" Luke 10.

@Imrepenting

2 жыл бұрын

@@tuneunleashed If they're a hireling yes, if it's another believer in the church who has the skills then and the congregation is in need of the of a musician that should be his/her service. But it all depends on what's agreed to.

So sad that musicians pay exorbitant tuition fees to study music only to be told to ‘serve’ at church. No wonder we are resorting to secular music, where they respect and honour the service of musicians. We have families to feed too. Not everyone studied engineering or law or medicine etc. Pay us!!

@rwren

6 ай бұрын

So the purpose for playing music in church is in order to gain respect and honor? I thought conversely it was to respect and honor the One who gave us the talent to begin with. Do you ever volunteer in other ways? If you serve at a soup kitchen do you ask for a paycheck? FYI: there are many with other trainings and skills who volunteer their abilities and time to the church - ie.. elders and deacons and they do it for no pay. Speaking as someone who has played keys and led worship for 36 years, I can say without hesitation that we have the choice to not use our gifts and talents without pay, but does that give as the joy of serving as part of the body? I can assure you that if you will only play for the church when a paycheck is involved that the church leaders would prefer you go play somewhere outside the church. If playing as a profession is important to you, then by all means do it to the glory of God. Blessings to you.

I have studied music for 35 years. I have two degrees in music. Throughout my lifetime, I estimate that close to $150k was spent on my music education, development, degrees, etc. So, yes, I want to serve. Yes, I want to share my gifts, and I do that by helping with the cleanup after the potluck, with folding programs in the office, etc. But when it comes to music, I charge. Full price, even for my community. They do not get some kind of discount. I have a family, I have student loans. I have been taken advantage of in the past, and it was painful for me and the community. When you don’t pay musicians, you put those members in a very vulnerable, difficult position. I would even argue that it is spiritually manipulative. Please consider this when you ask professional musicians to play for free. When you ask professional educators to teach for free. When you ask professional clergy to preach for free. It’s all the same... So unless I am paid, I sit back, close my eyes, and rest in the service being led by those who love playing music as non-professionals.

Why should Pastors get paid for doing the Lord's work?... just like musicians they are doing the Lord's work what is the difference?

@ChipJonesTheNavyRecruiter

3 жыл бұрын

An if we be honest some pastors can inspire teach or preach but they definitely leaving with a check

@zombee38

2 жыл бұрын

Pastors should work like every person does. By doing that it alleviate the temptations of feeling above everyone else and also theft. Congregations that pay pastors should keep an eye on them.

in 1st chronicles ch 9, it talks about how musicians and singers were EMPLOYED by the temple. In Nehemiah ch 13, Nehemiah got angry with the people in the temple because they were not paying the musicians and singers. As a result of this, The musicians had to go out in the field and work for money because they were not getting paid. Nehemiah said that the people in the temple abandoned God by letting this happen to the musicians. MUSICIANS DESRVE TO BE PAID

@carlpahlrobinson

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty different context. No one in 1st Chronicles was on a monthly roster with a single Thursday night rehearsal and a Sunday morning.

@Rk-zp4yr

5 жыл бұрын

Carl Robinson what does it matter when they rehearsed or when they had service? the point is they were employed by the temple. The people didn't ask them to volunteer. they were paid. That's the point

@carlpahlrobinson

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rk-zp4yr I'm not making a radical statement. All I'm saying is that we need to be careful that we see the difference between things simply described in the bible and other things actually prescribed. There is no command in the bible to pay musicians for playing in church, simply a description that at one time they were. If churches want to pay their musicians that's totally their call, it's not sinful of them to but it's also not sinful of others not to. Do you get what I'm saying? Our context is totally different, and there is no biblical command to be observed. It's entirely a matter of context and conscience.

@Rk-zp4yr

5 жыл бұрын

Carl Robinson actually there is a command to pay musicians. 1st Corinthians 9:13 says those who serve in the temple should also reap from the temple.

@carlpahlrobinson

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rk-zp4yr no brother, you're making the application towards musicians. The verse does not speak of musicians at all and Paul's particularly comparing himself with teachers. If you want to contest application then that's fine but we need to be clear that we're seeking to apply a principle as there is no direct command, as musicians are not listed at all. If you want to make the point you're seeking to make then I'd limit it to those who work professionally as musicians as Paul in that passage compares himself with soldiers and plowman, both full-time roles, not hobbies. I'm not saying don't pay people in your church. I'm just saying that these verses don't draw a direct line as you suggest. A brief exegesis of the passage shows something quite different to what most church musicians do - work full time elsewhere and then give 3-4 hours a week in service, as do many other volunteers roles e.g. the sound and multimedia crew.

church musicians should be paid. We pay the pastor, secretary, janitor and plumber? right?

I respectfully disagree. I've played for several churches, and it can be very challenging. music is a craft, and not everybody can do what we do. it involves a lot of practice, arrangement, and planning. most people only see the finished product and have no clue as to how much effort is put into it. musicians have bills, and other financial responsibilities just like everyone else. the doctor gets paid, the barber gets paid, the pastor gets a salary, why not the musicans??? I just quit playing at a church because of this very reason.

@odellsilva345

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but both pastor and musicians shouldn't get paid It's not glorifying God at all. You can't just use that as your reason to get paid and leave church because of not getting paid. I would leave if they're not teaching the right Gospel not because of financial issue.

@pililani_blessings

Жыл бұрын

No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord.

@jerrycordato3489

Жыл бұрын

@@odellsilva345 it is not glorifying to God to expect people to to serve you for free.

@rwren

6 ай бұрын

The pastor is paid because he's on call 24 hours a day. He's the one expected to drive to a hospital where someone's daughter overdosed. He's the one preaching a funeral etc. Outside of FULL TIME church staff, the church carries out her mission by folks who volunteer of their time and talents. They do so joyfully and willingly. Anyone who is unwilling to serve the church unless he/she gets paid should definitely not serve the church. God doesn't want your begrudging musicianship.

A church musician should play as if he is a volunteer. Church should bless/pay the church musician as if they are paid musicians.

I agree that paid musicians need to be a part of the church and not just outside “hired guns” but at the same time the musicians who show up week after week deserve a stipend or thank you of some sort and sacrifice a lot more time than most realise.

@rwren

6 ай бұрын

Deserve? Should we cut a check each week to the professional accountant who volunteers his time as a deacon or elder to manage the finances of the church? Should we cut a check to the blue collar dude who volunteers his time to cut the grass every week for the church? As a musician of 3+ decades, I find joy in giving of my talents to the church and believe it or not, I can still make money with my talents if I choose. It's not either/or.

@ejimahbooking870

4 ай бұрын

They don’t deserve some stipend.. we deserve full pay for what we do.

@rwren

4 ай бұрын

Ah... nothing warms the heart like the phrase "we deserve"

Too much is required of musicians for us to do it for free. With all the demands placed on us along with all the stress not to mention rehearsals, churches expect new music all the time, plus we’ll be doing a minimum of 3 songs for service.

Would you apply the same standard of volunteerism to your pastorial staff? Do you not pay your Lead Pastor, Youth Pastor and Music Pastor?

That didn't match the title completely. I agree a pastor should be the first to get paid, but musicians should not be neglected if the church can afford it next. I have attended churches where a guest speaker fills in and gets a check, the worship leader who ministers 3 to 4 services a week gets nothing all year?? This is not the right way. Sure let someone start volunteer for a year or even a few years, but after that something if the church can afford should be given. Even if some gas money. Not payment for service, but a way of honoring their position.

@rebeldetail6134

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@johnjeremih

Жыл бұрын

I believe in honoring them some way, but not making expect a salary. Maybe at the end of the year according of their service give them something.

In our small church (300) our model for the worship team is voluntary. It works in our church because God has provided; we are blessed with abundant musicians who desire to serve in worshiping God, not to entertain. Many churches however may not have ample musicians, and if outside musicians are needed, they should be paid. What works for one church may not work for another. If the focus is on God, He will provide. If the focus is on producing a show, it will not bear fruit of the Holy Spirit.

@jerrycordato3489

Жыл бұрын

Is a believer who has been a professional musician their entire life not there to serve but to entertain? What do you mean by “entertain”?

@jerrycordato3489

Жыл бұрын

Does a plumber who is a member of the church plumb houses of members of the church for free?

@dumebiobi8818

6 ай бұрын

@@jerrycordato3489I think it depends on if you want to use it for God or to earn a living, I’m a musician myself so I understand. I’ve been playing for my church for years and I’ve never collected pay, but that is my choice and not a standard so I believe that it is if you want to use it to serve the Lord or if it is a means of livelihood

@jerrycordato3489

6 ай бұрын

@@dumebiobi8818 Are you implying that if you are paid to play in church it is not serving the Lord?

I have been a professional musician for over 35 years, and I never play for free- except to give my time as an offering to my church. Of course, full time musicians who work for churches, should be paid a fair wage. ( pianists, music director, etc) I volunteer to play, organize, and lead twice a month a band. I feel that this is right for me. I enjoy giving back to my church.

I’ve been playing keys for 15 years and since then I’ve developed tendinitis in my wrist from playing. The money isn’t everything but people don’t understand the wear and tear our bodies go through playing instruments. It’s a skill that we deserve to be compensated for.

Do you gift them with Strats and Portlands and Sennheisers and Nords and uprights and strings and cords and home practice amps and so on, so that after they practice for hours they can volunteer with the gifts you just praised?

All people who work in the church should get paid. Pastors should be paid the same amount the prophets and teachers get paid. The musicians should be paid according to their talent. They should at least get a stipened.

@OmarVale

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree. I've been a drummer for 30 years, and never got a penny from any of the churches I played. Worship leaders are all trying to imitate all the "megachurches" music. That has increased the burden, and the need for more preparation to play the songs. I myself, will put 10+ hours practicing each week for the sets. All the investments musicians put on their craft, and the countless hours of practice is mostly ignored. It seems like church leaders use the famous phrase "you are doing it for God" thus justifying not paying any musician a dime.

@christianhenry4173

3 жыл бұрын

I became fed up. It goes beyond money. Roman's 11:29 is why. I care about jesus not playing an instrument for church entertainment

@Imrepenting

2 жыл бұрын

You’re adding to God’s word. We are only commanded to provide finances to those who feed us the word of God which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God’s word doesn’t say anything about providing for musicians. We live by the word of God, not our own understanding of how we think or feel things should be.

@scottmctaggart8171

2 ай бұрын

​@@ImrepentingFinances? How about an offering of food clotheing shelter. Provide for the need. Not a career. The apostle Paul was a tent maker, and he himself did not burden the church.

If you dont pay the worhsip leader you don't give them time to be great because they have to work full time. Coming from a long time music enthusiast, most churches out there have worship that does not do anything for me. I don't think people realize how good they could have it if things were different. People would fall in love with Jesus even more. Music is just as powerful as the message and for some people music is why they come to church. Anybody who has had a great worship leader that sticks around knows what I mean.

@pililani_blessings

Жыл бұрын

No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord.

@tinotendashemananga6559

7 ай бұрын

The Pastor should also give of his time freely @@pililani_blessings

@rwren

6 ай бұрын

"worship that does not do anything for me" - So YOU are the object of worship? Music is powerful and is God created, but not more important than the Gospel (which should be the message). If people are only coming away from our churches with a love for the music - rhythms, melodies, vocals, band etc, but not awakened to the Gospel, then they have simply been entertained.

If the church is making good money you definitely need to pay the musicians and good money too not change

What you don't understand is that not a single person can just get up a go play the piano sir, it takes a lot of skills, dedication and sacrifices... Now can one get up and help park cars? Yes can one get up and help people sit at the right chairs yessss... Now, can anyone get up and drums ?

I’ve met very few pastors that wasn’t in for the pay check. Stop stealing from your musicians!

I could be way off base here. That’s good and all but biblical speaking that’s inaccurate. 1 Timothy 5 Nehemiah 13 talks about paying the musicians. So you just made a case that’s not biblical on why it’s ok to exploit musicians.

yeah boss this isnt ok

It's funny to me how it's ALWAYS the paid leaders talking about musicians volunteering and not being paid!! Look, get outa here, give up your paycheck, and then you can come to talk to us about volunteering!!!

Smh. You as a pastor better not keep a dime of that offering if that is the case

Does the Preacher receive a stipend at your church?

And the real reason for not paying pianists at a church is because the church loves to use and take advantage of people. This is why I quit and left the church. That is called using people for what you want. You have to understand that a pianist of a church does a lot and you put in many hours of work for the church and the church all they do is talk smack about you and don’t pay you a cent. This is the thing that really bugs me about the church. The church has non valid reasons for what they do and the reasons they have are not valid. They don’t make a ton of sense at all. This is the problem with churches everything is all volunteer and how are you suppose to keep running if you don’t get payed. Oh that is easy give the pastor all our money so he can go and by a new lexis and hello. This is what they want for sure. Now I am a big super star because the church gave the money. For us working pianists though the church could give a care about you as a hard working musician so you are left with nothing after doing all that work. So basically you are left screwed and the church is laughing at you. This is why it is hard to find pianists in churches because no one wants to do something without getting payed. That is sacrificing your time for someone else and they don’t give a care about you.not a cent not a thank you or nothing. This is why I left the church. I got so sick and tired of all the girly gossip and getting taken advantage of. Plus I can work outside gigs and get payed for it. All the church says is oh it is good for the body well, they are not going to tell you but they are using you and taking advantage of you when they say these things. This is why churches don’t keep musicians. We don’t want to come and bee a part of something and not get payed for it.

Hears paid musicians called 'hired guns'. Reads replies from long-term paid musicians. Notices the video dude is one ssssilky ssssmooth talker. Understands his split-tongue hiss is "God may provide, but not through THIS church." That about cover it?

Okay -- so the minister can be a role model and forego their salary, housing allowance, travel reimbursement, and any other pay from the church, right? I'm sure that will never happen. It's funny how that paycheck is evil until you mention the minister getting paid.

Pastors get paid but worship leaders/music directors don't, hmmmm. I was a music director and worship leader, unpaid for decades. I spent a fortune paying for my equipment, college and such while watching all pastors and staff getting paid.

Because it takes the same skill level to help park cars as to play music well enough to enhance worship? Because ushers don't need special training and musicians have spent thousands of hours training, and numerous hours practicing each week for church? Because the pastors aren't paid either?

They should put a high emphasis on the member with the police officers out front and see how it will go.

I was in that situation but I never got paid.. but the pastor got richer.. why should they get paid or get rich from ministering ?...that's like someone going onto the street laying hands on the sick and receive a miracle healing and they get paid for that. This is against biblical principle

I think it’s wrong to hire secular musicians but if the church need’s talented musicians it needs to pay them if their talents are being used as a ministry and not just someone to make the pastor look good/

If that’s where he lands that’s fine. But you shouldn’t ask any musician to bring their instrument or buy any new instruments. Unlike parking cars those guitars, keyboards, and drums cost thousands.

@SolaChristus

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. I play Electric guitar and use a stereo rig with 2 tube amps, 2 speaker cabs, midi pedal board and multi effects unit, plus I always have 2-3 guitars with me for either different sounds or as backups. I figure I’ve got 10-15k at church any given Sunday…

A skilled singer is a musician. Their voice is their instrument. Just pay the peep n move on 🙄....short response! 😊

How much does the Pastor make?

It’s sad only in the Christianity world this is a discussion in the secular world it’s not a thought Musicians invest time and money to become good and skilled in what they do and i feel this is the reason why the world wins over great church musicians and great singers or worship leaders is simply because the church refuses to take care of them instead they rather let the preachers live lavish lives instead of taking care the needs of the music ministry so they can focus on being at there best preaching and music goes hand in hand in fact the music was mentioned biblically the most when it came to battle and deliverance but it’s almost stupid these days to invest into a musical skill for church because of the lack of appreciation you will have to work a regular job and be expected to play every Sunday Wednesday , what ever day you have rehearsals and in lots of cases invest into your own gear to bring to the church !!!! I think churches that have this type of thinking are the problems to the body of Christ and the excellence the body of Christ deserves!! This is a joke !

I hired a musician once. He showed up without his instrument. I thought what on earth is going on. Then he said you get what you pay for. Lol

If the pastor gets paid then the musician gets paid as well as the pw leader I hope God Reveals to those musician who play for free preachers who preach for free , that they need to be Compensated for there gift! No difference

Why pastors are paid then?

@eduardomaldonado1647

2 жыл бұрын

It is okay for pastors to be sponsored helped with personal expenses such as fuel food and such. It’s is a total different thing for pastors who preach for money. Those are prostitutes. No pastor should get into preaching to get rich.

A church is a business, first and foremost. The pastor gets paid, why not the musicians? We have bills to pay and mouths to feed. End of story.

Never agreed with this method and I'm a musician

Do you give your gift at no charge?

IF this is your church Pastor, better think twice, This is instilling "EXPLOITATION IN MASK OF MINISTRY" surely I believe 100% that God doesn't want musicians to be exploited. I just wish that you use your Godly given "COMMON SENSE" to decide on things because how can you interpret the scripture if you lack this? HOW WILL A PROFESSIONAL CHURCH ORGANIST WHO STUDIED 8 YEARS IN COLLEGE AND STILL HAVE LOANS WILL PROVIDE FOR HIMSELF? I REST MY CASE!

Nehemiah 13:10-14

This is absolutely not ok.

How many do get paid a “nice” salary at the non prophet

@DragonboltBlastter

4 жыл бұрын

non profit, not non prophet

This brother just compared musicians to parking lot workers. Smh. “They don’t really care about us”! “In my Micheal Jackson voice” 😅 I’m grateful for where i worship and play and for the salary as well.

This guy needs to serve the right Jesus.. Talking out of his neck.. Then wants to hide behind scripture.. I have a music degree sir.. And i am sure so are alot of "FULLTIME SKILLFUL" musicians that are playing at churches.. and if i am a full time musician at your church buddy.. You will pay me a salary..👌👌👌

Everybody knows and it's not enough for debate that the music Ministry is the most motivating and the most charismatic all churchgoers not the sermon and not the pastor. Kind of explains why the Church of Christ has always been stunted and growth there's no true music Ministry there because I don't believe in it. However let's assume that I agree with everything that you said then that means that your rev or your pastor or your priest or whoever is the helmet your church maybe that's even you the one who's talking this video you need to be do it in the spirit of helping the church and the spirit of giving and the spirit of volunteering and do not take one dollar at all for preaching the gospel or opening up a sermon for the congregation

Musician's don't get paid, but the Pastor lives well to lavishly, depending on the size of the congregation. It's all a joke, in my opinion. Being a musician is not like being an usher, with all due respect. You can train someone to be a quality user in a relatively short period fo time. There is a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that goes into become a good musician, let alone a great one.

So the janitors, landscapers, lawyers, secretaries, teachers, pastors, musicians, carpenters, laborers, banner makers, maintenance workers, window washers, roofers, mechanics, appliance repairers, computer experts, soundmen, *and* musicians, etc, etc...........all **VOLUNTEER* their expertise and time?........

Jesus was a carpenter

Hands/feet will not be able to develop their craft as effectively if they are not paid for their services

The only time an advanced or pro player should play for free is when he is trying to get hired or auditioned. If you play for free, you ain’t a pro yet. Sorry, professionals don’t practice for free. Pro means you have to live off what you do, pay taxes and retire from it at some point. You are a pro, you should have contracts and gigs lined up. If you need a manager get one. If you can’t find one hit me up, but you have to take yourself serious if you want to live off music and have invested time and effort. This is common sense.

Is the pastor a "hired gun"?

Turn your check or gratuity in Pastor..it's not Biblical to labor truely called ministries and neglect thier practical needs. Just go with congregational singing and no one able to read music if that's your take

Personally as a church drummer I don’t even feel right charging a church to play cause I understand it’s more for God, it’s different than playing secular BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT y’all got me bent if only pastors, prophets, etc get paid more than the musicians. Like they should know it’s for God and not just money too. And if that’s the case than I’m sorry the musicians deserve more money cause it’s SUPER TIME CONSUMING preparing the music if u want it done right.

I’m sick and tired of the way the church mistreats musicians. No matter what you do they’re never satisfied, and they require more, more, and more. 3 plus songs per service, new music every week, and then you have to constantly deal with whiny choir members. Who wants to tell you how to do your job but have no clue about what all goes into it. I want to do this song ,I don’t like this song, well why don’t you play it like this, well why don’t you sing it like this. And we really don’t get support from the pastors because the pastors will take everyone else’s side over yours. Oh yes we need to be compensated.

I mean if you don’t wanna get good musician

I have been involved in Biblical Research for 47 years. I don't have all the answers but what I know, I know very well. In the book of Luke, Jesus was giving his directions to the seventy he was sending out to witness. In verse 7 he included this phrase: "the labourer is worthy of his hire." I don't know if all the musicians I've heard are worthy of getting paid but some choir directors and the such sure seem to earn their keep. Quite frankly, most churches I've visited have turned the service over to musicians that are self-righteous, egotistical folks that ruin the service. They sing songs that are loud and focus on their so-called talent as if God should move over and give them a throne next to Jesus Christ. It sickens me when they act like I should join in with their songs no one else knows. Does anyone study the Bible anymore? Why do we sing? I would suggest taking a hard look at the question. When a congregation sings "When the Roll is Called Up Yonder" or "At Calvery" it reinforces the believing of the congregation. When some fool gets up and sings a song no one knows, there is no belieiving reinforced. What's that verse at the end of I Corinthians 14? "Let all things be done decently and in order" What is decent about singing a song that is confusing. I visited a church this year in which the minister handed the service over to his musicisan. It was an absolute disaster and he still does it. As a minister, when I run a fellowship, I am responsible to God for everything in that service. To hand over the reigns to someone who destroys the spiritual temperature of the room shouldn't happen. The books of Timothy, Titus and Philemon are written to the ministers in the one body, the called out (ekklesia in the Greek). We would do well to take heed to the instruction. As for paying musicians, let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

@danrawcliffe87

7 ай бұрын

Best and most articulated comment here. Thankyou!

There is no office of a member in the bible

So you will pay a plumper 75$ to come to the church to GIVE AN ESTIMATE then pay him/her 500$ to fix the problem because their professionals but won’t pay QUALITY TALENT OR PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS mmmmmm. I digress

@eduardomaldonado1647

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I always felt professional musicians do not belong in the church.

@ChipJonesTheNavyRecruiter

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduardomaldonado1647 I think there can be a place for them… IF… they are subject to the spirit of the house

Careful, musicians! Churches like these damage our profession!

I’m assuming the pastor is working for free too since it’s for the kingdom. Sorry the workman is worth his wages

Pass right pass the levite section of the Bible

If the music director gets paid so should every member of the music team it’s not right got played for many years and now that I’m older left the band not worth it anymore got a studio job now people are great to work with and I’m finally getting paid should have done this 25 years ago the church never even called or thanked me for all the many years of service so much for caring for one another my advice is the church better start caring for the musicians or else everybody will start quitting another words enough is enough im done

Not biblical man

Bull crap

Nonsense… too absurd video.. who is this guy who doesn’t have a biblical base.. 😂

Wtf. I totally disagree

Lol this is fucked up.

I bet you have your Own Pay Check!!! Talking Nonsense!!!

Why we don’t tithe 😂😂😂😂. Sorry excuse

Why don’t we just start taxing the church?

Lead by example Pastor Fuller. Surrender your salary to your church.

Ask him to learn the Holy Bible… this is cult and False doctrine.. whatever the office is, the church must pay them. Learn Nehemiah 13 chapter…

No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord.